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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 17:22 GMT
#525
@Artanis. What do you think of sicklucker, Eden and Kelsier? I think those are the best overall flips. Ritoky could maybe be tossed in there too.
Do you disagree with the following: Artanis, DrH, Chyz, Damdred I feel like I'm forgetting someone from this list but oh well.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 17:52 GMT
#565
On January 01 2015 02:22 geript wrote:
@Artanis. What do you think of sicklucker, Eden and Kelsier? I think those are the best overall flips. Ritoky could maybe be tossed in there too.
Do you disagree with the following: Artanis, DrH, Chyz, Damdred I feel like I'm forgetting someone from this list but oh well.

@Marv You can answer this since Artanis is mia.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 19:13 GMT
#655
On January 01 2015 03:59 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 02:22 geript wrote:
@Artanis. What do you think of sicklucker, Eden and Kelsier? I think those are the best overall flips. Ritoky could maybe be tossed in there too.
Do you disagree with the following: Artanis, DrH, Chyz, Damdred I feel like I'm forgetting someone from this list but oh well.


Like thats possibly 3 towns.. Wheres that meta case on me you promised.

I didn't promise a case. I just planned to meta you at some point today. I'll probably run to the store and grab some beers and maybe do it tonight.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 20:41 GMT
#686
I'm going to bet that only 2-3 of the scum ahve actually reasonably posted at this point.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 20:44 GMT
#690
On January 01 2015 05:42 IAmRobik wrote:
Have we decided which non-robik/non-marv/non-drh person we're lynching?

Lots of people seem to think that I'm the lynch. Kinda scary because I doubt many people will actually ahve read the thread by the end of the day or half of it and most of the vets seem to be on that train. But meh. I really dgaf about that. People are just historically bad at reading me correctly.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 20:49 GMT
#693
On January 01 2015 05:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Geript you asked me about 3 people earlier, one of them was sicklucker then you never really got back to the post after I mentioned he escaped me. Was there anything about him that you found of note? I'm scrolling through his filter and it's not bad.

I find how much he holds onto the expected meta case a bit weird and wasn't sure what to think of it. That and I don't feel like spending an hour to read 4 other games when he only has a 2 page filter. Plus I don't want to go back and have to figure out his usual post count and content per day.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 20:51 GMT
#695
Maybe it's just newbie omgus like Chyz, idk. It's just kinda weird how it developed. Like usually when someone has a "gut read" on a vet they tend to have to say or think on the subject especially when they're newer.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 20:53 GMT
#700
Look Doc. We get it. You think Chyz is mafia. You might even be right. But give it a rest for a bit. Talk to us about who else you think is scum and why. Or discuss townread. I really don't care. Beating ye old drum only makes me and other people not want to read/think about what you're posting. And that's bad for everyone.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 20:54 GMT
#701
Besides, wagons that last don't tend to be formed in the first 24. If you really want to lynch Chyz, then you should probably be starting the push into gear around ~16-12 hrs prior to lynch.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 20:59 GMT
#706
On January 01 2015 05:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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On January 01 2015 05:54 geript wrote:
Besides, wagons that last don't tend to be formed in the first 24. If you really want to lynch Chyz, then you should probably be starting the push into gear around ~16-12 hrs prior to lynch.

want me to just post all my town and null reads until then? you have very little to say about the case and now you're just trying to make me shut up.

Nah, I'm just tired of hitting refresh and seeing yet another wall of text on Chyz. Especially when I think he's town so I probably won't get around to reading it until after new years. Especially when a decent number are quotes of a bad case on him. Especially when it means that I ahve to go back and vet each and every thing especially in context of the thread. My point is that what you're doing hurts my ability to read the thread and your ability to push Chyz. Plus, it's super exceptionally tunnely that started off of a bunch of bad points; that's reads like confirmation bias more than anything else.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 21:13 GMT
#725
On January 01 2015 06:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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On January 01 2015 05:49 geript wrote:
On January 01 2015 05:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Geript you asked me about 3 people earlier, one of them was sicklucker then you never really got back to the post after I mentioned he escaped me. Was there anything about him that you found of note? I'm scrolling through his filter and it's not bad.

I find how much he holds onto the expected meta case a bit weird and wasn't sure what to think of it. That and I don't feel like spending an hour to read 4 other games when he only has a 2 page filter. Plus I don't want to go back and have to figure out his usual post count and content per day.

Alright, let's reconstruct this. I believe it started here:
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On December 31 2014 14:35 sicklucker wrote:
##vote geript for voting for shitty reasons because mafia would do that right? ;p

Geript replies 10 minutes later asking if he only played town before, then asks for a link to his previous scumgame which sicklucker declines. Sicklucker then brings it up again later (Geript asks for an opinion from Dr. H in the meantime) after which:
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On December 31 2014 15:57 geript wrote:
On December 31 2014 15:55 sicklucker wrote:
Like I thought it was weird that geript is suggesting hes gonna put in the effort to get a meta weird on me so early when I have done nothing scummy. (I made a semi joke/vote to vote) to mock his one. Like this could mean anything just pointing this out for someone whos played with him alot.

It's ok babygirl. I've never meta'd anyone ever before. You'll be getting my meta v-card.

Possibly a joke, but it could definitely be interpreted as serious. If he does interpret it as serious I can see someone like sicklucker chasing the bone. Given his pretty proactive game so far I'm happy to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Is that your only reason for finding him suspect?

That and he thinks I'm mafia so I naturally want to kill him. But for the most part yah that's all.

While in the shower I realized why I think Marv's mafia. Town!Marv doesn't fear lynch; he definitely doesn't fear lynch on D1.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 21:15 GMT
#730
On January 01 2015 06:12 sicklucker wrote:
geript scum list is likely 3 towns so thats another reason

Yah, if that's true it wouldn't bode well for me per se.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 21:16 GMT
#732
Great now I have to meta Chyz too... sadface
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 21:47 GMT
#758
On January 01 2015 06:44 batsnacks wrote:
Mr DrH what do you think about this:

First TheChyz posts this:
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On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.

I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.

I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey


And he earned town points for it:

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On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being.

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On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him.


Then later he posts this:
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On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.

And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.


And gets more town points:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.

And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.

I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right?

It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense.

I feel better about Chyz for this post




Do you think TheChyz is intentionally rehashing the koshi read to gain town points?

Crackpot theory
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 21:56 GMT
#762
So far your most damning points are that he appears to have changed his meta. But iirc he has ~300 posts. Meta changing for a newer player isn't odd at all. Your still not making my dick hard dr h.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 22:15 GMT
#771
On January 01 2015 07:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Can you explain why he said he was fine with me and thought I was doing good scumhunting when he voted for me and tried to get the thread to turn? Then he says it wasnt serious and omgus votes someone else. If we were both town in a game and i tunneled you relentlessly would you be fine with it and say i was doing a good job?

Sure. He can be a newb. He can be mafia. He can just be not very good at mafia. He can be exceptionally easily swayed by the fact that people think he's mafia but is town so they therefore must be mafia. I don't particularly care. I'm not saying that there aren't points that you've made that are scummy or wholly invalid. But when you look at the case of work that he's put out and the facts: he's newer, he's been reasonably uninhibited about posting, he's been under a tunnel for 90% of the game, etc. You're not going to find conclusive evidence there. You need to actually give him time so that people can actually form a valid read on him. I mean, I remember in one of the last games we played together I was in a similar situation. Everyone read me as scummy. I couldn't stop doing scummy things because I had no clue how to not do scummy things. So I just tried to post what I thought when I thought it. Hey btw, I was town and I'm not sure there was a vote on anyone but me that day. Seriously dude, get your head out of your ass.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 22:16 GMT
#772
On January 01 2015 07:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Geript doesn't seem to be taking the thread very seriously which makes me think he may be town. Reading his meta it looks like he puts on an effort to appear very productive and focused as mafia.

That's a shitty version of meta and you know it.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 22:23 GMT
#776
On January 01 2015 07:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So we should ignore newer players? He seemed pretty confident and able to deal with heat in his last game. Plus at the time it was only me, I think only one or two people have agreed to vote with me by this point. It doesn't add up. If you think we should policy ignore newbs or something okay - I don't. I believe in trial by fire, you know that. We'll see what other people have to say about it. How about you offer a better lynch?

No I don't think we should ignore newer players. I do think that to get a correct read on them you often need to give them slack and let them hang themselves (or others) with it rather than wrap the noose tight around their necks. I'm fine with trial by fire. But there are productive ways to do that and unproductive ways to do that. Your tunnel is the latter.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 22:25 GMT
#781
On January 01 2015 07:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 07:16 geript wrote:
On January 01 2015 07:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Geript doesn't seem to be taking the thread very seriously which makes me think he may be town. Reading his meta it looks like he puts on an effort to appear very productive and focused as mafia.

That's a shitty version of meta and you know it.

I should have known better than to talk to you at all in this game. Someone else can sort you out

My point is, if you're going to meta me, then meta me. Most of my mafia games don't look similar in any way to each other and they often tend to highly resemble my town games (in the same era). Plus, just looking at 1 mafia game (Russian I assume) which was the most different from any of my scum games (since The Game) isn't going to give the real insight you need to actually give a decent meta read.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 22:35 GMT
#785
On January 01 2015 07:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Who do you wanna lynch geript? Got anything besides doubt and jokes?

Of the top of my head, Marv maybe. Eden and Kelsier are at the top of my lynch list. But honestly, right now I'd be a bit more tempted to lurker lynch.
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