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On January 01 2015 06:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Can you explain what about TheChyz's post makes you feel so strongly that he is town? It's just noncommittal read at a time when the whole thread was giving Koshi heat. Just looks like blending in to me. He wasn't like that in his town game.
idk if this was @me or not but since it pretty much describes what I did I'll assume it is. I liked the fact that Chyz was, with pressure coming from other people, gutsy enough to get after the one person strongly defending him the whole way. Mafia just don't attack their defenders.
But I'm kinda feeling like Koshi doesn't actually care that much, and if he's not really defending Chyz that hard in the end then mafia!Chyz doesn't have that same reservation about attacking Koshi.
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On January 01 2015 06:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 06:24 Eden1892 wrote:
If Koshi doesn't start doing something then I might have to throw out my "attack the forgiver" tell and kill Chyz instead.
Currently I'm cool with a geript or Chyz lynch. I guess I'll need to read Lazermonkey and see what the fuss was about too. I kinda miss Palmar and marv and a little bit of Arty (although he's posted a bit), their names and JAT made me interested in the first place and JAT's the only one doing anything so far. Good. You will soon realize his read on lazermonkey was also fabricated bullshit and total reaching. Check out Chyz's last game where he was town. Huge difference in confidence tone and voting behavior.
Have not read yet beyond skimming but I already agree with you re: difference in presentation b/t last game and this one. Lemme finish rereading and decide how I feel about Chyz's post about Koshi, but you've probably earned my vote for Chyz back.
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More thoughts later cause I need to go get a haircut before all the barber shops close but I just switched my vote back to Chyz.
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On January 01 2015 07:35 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 07:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Who do you wanna lynch geript? Got anything besides doubt and jokes? Eden and Kelsier are at the top of my lynch list.
do you ever intend to expound upon these thoughts as I've asked you to do earlier in the thread?
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can that point be soon? I'd like to kill Chyz without kicking myself for not killing the guy whose filter is full of fluff trying to look useful and fishing for lynches people like, and you could help that by making yourself not that guy.
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someone who wants to kill Lazermonkey please explain why, tia!
I only read his filter so I don't know the context of his posts but I don't really see anything wrong with that he's doing.
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MIA for several hours but on the geript-cop-thing: I thought the cop thing was absolutely bizarre, but I'm probably predisposed to misreading it because it looked like a joke that I just didn't find funny. I can't imagine any reason besides joking that geript would post that regardless of alignment, and I don't think it merits further consideration
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On January 02 2015 02:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 01:45 justanothertownie wrote:
Why does it matter if geript has them as top scumreads? Because I don't even understand how geript can think it.
You don't understand how geript can suspect me?
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I will kill geript over Lazermonkey but still want Chyz
Lol boss busted me @ work probs no phone for a while. Pz
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Quick check in at work, Chyz looks like newbie town instead of mafia to me. He did a big pbp analysis of Lazermonkey which reminds me of all the times I've done pbp because I thought I really had something going.
I'm also a little worried about geript lynch being too easy, idk if that will actually stay my vote though.
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I'm not really sure what to do with geript. He's started trying, which increases the chances of him being town; it can make sense for a caught mafia to give up but never really does for a townie being mislynched, so the fact that he's trying to avoid getting killed is probably good all else being the same.
The problem is I still don't really know who he wants to kill. He posted a big list running through everyone in the game, concluding with a group of about six mafia/mafia-leans, and then he doesn't ever push any of them since. He's even said a couple of times something to the effect of "just go back and read me when I flip town," but I don't even know what I would go back to read, because he posted what would be a big nice convenient list to read and then didn't act on it in any meaningful way.
I think I still want to kill him, and I'm moving my vote there for now. I don't think I'm going to get fully caught up before deadline, so I'll try to look at the other possible lynches (who are they, by the way? seems like geript, Chyz, Lazermonkey and Vivax are the names that are coming up) and see which one I want the most. Right now it's geript but I haven't read the other guys one last time yet.
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On January 02 2015 12:36 Eden1892 wrote:
I'm not really sure what to do with geript. He's started trying, which increases the chances of him being town; it can make sense for a caught mafia to give up but never really does for a townie being mislynched, so the fact that he's trying to avoid getting killed is probably good all else being the same.
...meanwhile, Chyz apparently decided to self-vote and leave. Ugh.
Forget I said this, I was reading Chyz town until he did that and him doing it reads frustrated town rather than mafia. I can't really see why a mafia would bother posting a huge reads list that would just leave his teammates at risk of getting caught by association if he's going to self-vote. You self-vote as mafia to end the day quicker and get people complacent with that vote, not to give them a road map for how to find your team.
As for why, I go back to that large case Chyz wrote on Lazermonkey and it rings so genuine to me. Maybe I'm just a sucker for his opening line about excessive emotional investment but I feel like it would take a stone cold liar to throw something like that out as mafia just to excuse your previous play. I know there's nothing that actually stops you from doing that as mafia, but I figure if you're making up an excuse for your previous absence, you're going to pick something that sounds plausible, which means the excuse you're going to give is deliberate and something you've thought about. Something about claiming you were "too emotionally invested for my own health" seems... out of bounds, you know? Hopefully this makes sense to someone else cause I think it makes perfect sense to me but I can't really find the words. Just seems like lying about your emotional well-being is a shitty thing to do to win a game. And I'm gonna admit I didn't actually read the case on Lazermonkey beyond recognizing that it was one of those classic confirmation bias supertrains that everybody who's ever played town enough times has taken themselves on.
And the emotional-investment thing kinda proved itself decisively when he self-voted, didn't it.
I'm not killing Chyz today and I really recommend others don't. I really wish he hadn't self-voted but I can't see how the sequence of posts of his at the end was from a mafia POV.
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OK I guess I'll go read batsnacks instead of Lazermonkey or Vivax. I remember catching that marv said Lazermonkey was a background type player which means I'd have to read all his messages in context of the thread which means reading dozens of pages I ain't got time to read, so forget that. I remember not thinking much of Vivax either way so I'll just wait on that too.
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Maybe there's something here.
On January 01 2015 06:13 batsnacks wrote:I think robik is mafia. Here is my lame meta read: Town robik is usually enthusiastic about playing at the start of games and is quick to form reads and call people out. He's usually really loud about the fact that he's town (as both alignments) and says it over and over again "I'm town you suck." He did that a little bit this game. Scum robik, i.e. Robik in this game, is obviously in the thread and is responding when his name gets called, but he lacks reads and is not passionate about solving people's alignments. He is only passionate about talking about him. And this scummy too: Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 05:59 IAmRobik wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch TheChyz to see if DrH is right ##vote: IAmRobik
This post is strange, because he says that Robik is deviating from both his normal town and normal mafia behavior, and thus that makes him mafia. I guess the argument is that there's greater deviation from his normal town game than from his normal mafia game, but batsnacks, in making a self-professed "lame meta read," expressly notes that Robik is deviating from both of his normal games. This bothers me because it doesn't match my thought process if I'm in batsnacks' shoes:
1. If someone is deviating from both their normal town game and normal mafia game, my first thought is that there must be extenuating circumstances responsible for the deviation. Deliberate change in play style, extended absence due to work, or a holiday, like, say, Iunno, New Year's Eve... these would be where I'd look for explanations, not "Robik is mafia."
2. Perhaps more telling, but if I find myself deciding my read on someone is lame, I don't bring it up and I certainly don't put my vote down for them. I keep looking.
Tellingly, he never pushes the Robik lynch and never really brings it up in subsequent posts.
batsnacks then later proposes that Chyz might have been milking his Koshi read for town credit, ignoring the fact that Chyz's read on Koshi changed in the two instances batsnacks cites to support it. This "contribution" is senseless to me.
On January 01 2015 06:44 batsnacks wrote:Mr DrH what do you think about this: First TheChyz posts this: Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.
I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.
I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey And he earned town points for it: Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him. Then later he posts this: Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
And gets more town points: Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote:On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right? It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense. I feel better about Chyz for this post
Do you think TheChyz is intentionally rehashing the koshi read to gain town points?
He never actually does anything with this, either. Not only is the question fundamentally flawed, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and he isn't really doing anything with it. He talks some more about it but again, it doesn't really get to the conclusion "lynch Chyz" or anything. Even if batsnacks didn't horribly misinterpret what Chyz said, this wouldn't be the tenth most incriminating case on Chyz in this thread even if we took out the cases DoctorHelvetica made.
The last page of batsnacks' filter seems similarly unproductive and unhelpful. A "fuck you Chyz" and a vote, presumably for self-voting, which, as I've already argued, probably shouldn't be there because Chyz seems town. Some random mechanics/roles stuff that doesn't really matter. A couple of general "is anybody there?" type questions and, notably, no real effort to push the Lazermonkey read he was so hard on earlier.
I don't get the sense this guy cares about who we kill. Maybe it's time we make him care.
##UNVOTE: geript
##VOTE: batsnacks
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On January 02 2015 13:13 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 13:08 Eden1892 wrote:Maybe there's something here. On January 01 2015 06:13 batsnacks wrote:I think robik is mafia. Here is my lame meta read: Town robik is usually enthusiastic about playing at the start of games and is quick to form reads and call people out. He's usually really loud about the fact that he's town (as both alignments) and says it over and over again "I'm town you suck." He did that a little bit this game. Scum robik, i.e. Robik in this game, is obviously in the thread and is responding when his name gets called, but he lacks reads and is not passionate about solving people's alignments. He is only passionate about talking about him. And this scummy too: On January 01 2015 05:59 IAmRobik wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch TheChyz to see if DrH is right ##vote: IAmRobik This post is strange, because he says that Robik is deviating from both his normal town and normal mafia behavior, and thus that makes him mafia. I guess the argument is that there's greater deviation from his normal town game than from his normal mafia game, but batsnacks, in making a self-professed "lame meta read," expressly notes that Robik is deviating from both of his normal games. This bothers me because it doesn't match my thought process if I'm in batsnacks' shoes: 1. If someone is deviating from both their normal town game and normal mafia game, my first thought is that there must be extenuating circumstances responsible for the deviation. Deliberate change in play style, extended absence due to work, or a holiday, like, say, Iunno, New Year's Eve... these would be where I'd look for explanations, not "Robik is mafia." 2. Perhaps more telling, but if I find myself deciding my read on someone is lame, I don't bring it up and I certainly don't put my vote down for them. I keep looking. Tellingly, he never pushes the Robik lynch and never really brings it up in subsequent posts. batsnacks then later proposes that Chyz might have been milking his Koshi read for town credit, ignoring the fact that Chyz's read on Koshi changed in the two instances batsnacks cites to support it. This "contribution" is senseless to me. On January 01 2015 06:44 batsnacks wrote:Mr DrH what do you think about this: First TheChyz posts this: On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.
I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.
I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey And he earned town points for it: On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being. On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him. Then later he posts this: On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
And gets more town points: On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote:On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right? It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense. I feel better about Chyz for this post
Do you think TheChyz is intentionally rehashing the koshi read to gain town points? He never actually does anything with this, either. Not only is the question fundamentally flawed, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and he isn't really doing anything with it. He talks some more about it but again, it doesn't really get to the conclusion "lynch Chyz" or anything. Even if batsnacks didn't horribly misinterpret what Chyz said, this wouldn't be the tenth most incriminating case on Chyz in this thread even if we took out the cases DoctorHelvetica made. The last page of batsnacks' filter seems similarly unproductive and unhelpful. A "fuck you Chyz" and a vote, presumably for self-voting, which, as I've already argued, probably shouldn't be there because Chyz seems town. Some random mechanics/roles stuff that doesn't really matter. A couple of general "is anybody there?" type questions and, notably, no real effort to push the Lazermonkey read he was so hard on earlier. I don't get the sense this guy cares about who we kill. Maybe it's time we make him care. ##UNVOTE: geript
##VOTE: batsnacks I already said I'm not unvoting chyz because if he is mafia and self voting and getting let off the hook for it, it's going to piss me off. So my vote is staying. If thechyz hadn't self voted I probably wouldn't have voted him. Also no one is voting lazermonkey or robik, the two people I wanted to lynch originally, so of course I'm not going to keep my vote there.
Wait, so if he hadn't self-voted you wouldn't vote him. But you're voting him because you won't let a self-voting mafia off the hook? Does that mean you think he's mafia and weren't voting him because ??? or does that mean you don't think he's mafia but are voting him now because ???
And the point isn't that no one is voting Lazermonkey or Robik. The point is you made both reads with plenty of time to push them, so if you thought they were mafia, why didn't you try to develop a case people would vote for? Why leave them as weak and easily-ignored as they were?
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On January 02 2015 13:17 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 13:16 Eden1892 wrote:On January 02 2015 13:13 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:08 Eden1892 wrote:Maybe there's something here. On January 01 2015 06:13 batsnacks wrote:I think robik is mafia. Here is my lame meta read: Town robik is usually enthusiastic about playing at the start of games and is quick to form reads and call people out. He's usually really loud about the fact that he's town (as both alignments) and says it over and over again "I'm town you suck." He did that a little bit this game. Scum robik, i.e. Robik in this game, is obviously in the thread and is responding when his name gets called, but he lacks reads and is not passionate about solving people's alignments. He is only passionate about talking about him. And this scummy too: On January 01 2015 05:59 IAmRobik wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch TheChyz to see if DrH is right ##vote: IAmRobik This post is strange, because he says that Robik is deviating from both his normal town and normal mafia behavior, and thus that makes him mafia. I guess the argument is that there's greater deviation from his normal town game than from his normal mafia game, but batsnacks, in making a self-professed "lame meta read," expressly notes that Robik is deviating from both of his normal games. This bothers me because it doesn't match my thought process if I'm in batsnacks' shoes: 1. If someone is deviating from both their normal town game and normal mafia game, my first thought is that there must be extenuating circumstances responsible for the deviation. Deliberate change in play style, extended absence due to work, or a holiday, like, say, Iunno, New Year's Eve... these would be where I'd look for explanations, not "Robik is mafia." 2. Perhaps more telling, but if I find myself deciding my read on someone is lame, I don't bring it up and I certainly don't put my vote down for them. I keep looking. Tellingly, he never pushes the Robik lynch and never really brings it up in subsequent posts. batsnacks then later proposes that Chyz might have been milking his Koshi read for town credit, ignoring the fact that Chyz's read on Koshi changed in the two instances batsnacks cites to support it. This "contribution" is senseless to me. On January 01 2015 06:44 batsnacks wrote:Mr DrH what do you think about this: First TheChyz posts this: On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.
I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.
I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey And he earned town points for it: On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being. On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him. Then later he posts this: On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
And gets more town points: On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote:On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right? It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense. I feel better about Chyz for this post
Do you think TheChyz is intentionally rehashing the koshi read to gain town points? He never actually does anything with this, either. Not only is the question fundamentally flawed, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and he isn't really doing anything with it. He talks some more about it but again, it doesn't really get to the conclusion "lynch Chyz" or anything. Even if batsnacks didn't horribly misinterpret what Chyz said, this wouldn't be the tenth most incriminating case on Chyz in this thread even if we took out the cases DoctorHelvetica made. The last page of batsnacks' filter seems similarly unproductive and unhelpful. A "fuck you Chyz" and a vote, presumably for self-voting, which, as I've already argued, probably shouldn't be there because Chyz seems town. Some random mechanics/roles stuff that doesn't really matter. A couple of general "is anybody there?" type questions and, notably, no real effort to push the Lazermonkey read he was so hard on earlier. I don't get the sense this guy cares about who we kill. Maybe it's time we make him care. ##UNVOTE: geript
##VOTE: batsnacks I already said I'm not unvoting chyz because if he is mafia and self voting and getting let off the hook for it, it's going to piss me off. So my vote is staying. If thechyz hadn't self voted I probably wouldn't have voted him. Also no one is voting lazermonkey or robik, the two people I wanted to lynch originally, so of course I'm not going to keep my vote there. Wait, so if he hadn't self-voted you wouldn't vote him. But you're voting him because you won't let a self-voting mafia off the hook? Does that mean you think he's mafia and weren't voting him because ??? or does that mean you don't think he's mafia but are voting him now because ??? And the point isn't that no one is voting Lazermonkey or Robik. The point is you made both reads with plenty of time to push them, so if you thought they were mafia, why didn't you try to develop a case people would vote for? Why leave them as weak and easily-ignored as they were? Yes, if he hadn't self voted that probably wouldn't be where my vote is. And I posted as often and as much as I could.
You didn't answer the first question. Do you or do you not think Chyz is mafia? From the sounds of it you're finding an excuse to policy-vote Chyz without actually telling me what you think about his alignment.
And ok, fine, I get that, you can see my filter's not exactly long this game either. But the content of your posts is really lacking if you've been under time constraints. Someone reading this should compare my filter to batsnacks, because I've also been under time constraints like he apparently has, and the difference in our content is substantial. I can say with certainty, being in the same constraint in the same game, that I would be more focused on making my posts and votes count.
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Guys, he's not even answering the straightforward question of whether or not Chyz is town. This is ridiculous. With a close vote between geript and Chyz you would expect any townie to be trying to get somewhere in reading both of them to determine which one is the better kill. Instead batsnacks is defaulting to some lame policy vote with no explanation of how his vote helps town kill a mafia, and when questioned he won't even say whether he thinks the guy he's voting for is mafia.
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If we get batsnacks here and he flips scum this vote count is going to be glorious.
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On January 02 2015 13:37 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 13:34 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 13:33 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:31 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 13:29 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:27 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 13:27 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
You managed to post your thoughts on both chyz and geript without making any kind of indication of eithers alignment but seems like u lean town on thechyz? I lean must die on thechyz. He's who I want to vote so that's who I'm voting. If he were town it would have been easy for him to avoid being lynched today. And if he were scum it would not be easy? I will try to give some perspective. Let's say thechyz gets lynched today and he flips town. Then let's say for the sake of the argument that tomorrow, you claim scum and vote yourself in the same post. I would vote you tomorrow. Then you surely are ok if I vote you for that, right? Because even if you are town you are a liability since you aren't trying to win the game. It doesn't really matter to me what you do but I am trying to win. Then you should try not to be mislynched if you are town. Currently you are leading the votecount if I am not mistaken. So if you want to win the game as town you should show me a better target right now. You gonna unvote me if I claim scum, vote myself, and leave the thread? Because that's what got thechyz off the hook.
How do you read Chyz's 3rd to last and last posts -- you know, the one where he said he was too emotionally invested in the game for his own health and the one where he ragequit -- and not obviously see that what he did has nothing to do with his alignment?
You're not even trying at this point. Boy bye
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That vote by geript is weird but I'll wait for post-flip to care. He may have to switch back to batsnacks to save himself anyway.
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