On January 10 2015 21:33 marvellosity wrote:
God everyone's filter is long. I hate that i can't make lazy activity-based assumptions at this stage.

And yet, even though he's been dead for a cycle, JAT has more pages than anyone else.

What do you think of GBs theory that ritoky is a framer?

Vivax

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January 10 2015 16:06 GMT

#6904

On January 10 2015 21:48 marvellosity wrote:

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that's why he was such an easy lazy assumption to make :p

GB's theory could be right, but i don't really think mafia puts that much stock in the framer, or at least enough stock to make plays based around it (and possibly provide patterns?). I'd say the absolute best reason to lynch superbia over ritoky from mafia's POV is the ongoing confusion about the cop stuff. Like if Robik hadn't flipped cop, it feels like this day would have been only about the cop claims, and that's valuable time wasted from a mafia PoV

I think that super didn't basically give himself on a silver plate since he didn't fakeclaim cop during that day. So I think mafia D3 tried to push the lynch onto ritoky, maybe before giving in to voting super. But when I do some thread diving I'll be on the lookout for that. It's quite the opposite to what GB says.

Then again I have no idea what they could have been thinking. I mean, ritoky commited himself to claiming cop quite early. I don't know why, did he want to trade himself for super when super is just a goon?

Vivax

22166 Posts

January 10 2015 16:07 GMT

#6905

Nah actually I think ritoky wanted to force a one on one trade that dayto save super. At least he had some chance to get the cop lynched before him.

Vivax

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January 10 2015 20:00 GMT

#6915

You're very cautious in saying what you think of Palmar marv.

If he's mafia I don't think it's because of that.

Do you think he's mafia?

Vivax

22166 Posts

January 10 2015 20:12 GMT

#6919

On January 11 2015 05:04 marvellosity wrote:
why wouldn't i be cautious? he said he'd defend himself from the lynch and that's what i'll mostly base my decision on

most of what he's done he could do as either alignment. the most suspicious thing for me is how he launched himself at me, then kinda afked and his 100% push on me was kinda gone when he got back.

For me it's that he went into serious mode on the day we started lynching scum. I already mentioned this somewhere.
Before D3 it was just his random stuff, D3 I was wondering why he became so pushy instead of keeping on with his weird play.

Vivax

22166 Posts

January 10 2015 20:14 GMT

#6922

And when I say "we lynching scum" I mean everyone else as I didn't believe Robik's claim in the slightest when I saw itand put my vote on SL for seeing something that didn't make sense in his post, then slept through the deadline. Not sure if Robik already CCd when I stopped playing though, but at least after the super lynch I was convinced he was the scum.

Vivax

22166 Posts

January 10 2015 20:15 GMT

#6925

To the end that he's scum, if that's your question. I don't see why he starts trying so hard JUST on the day that scum is really up for lynch.

Vivax

22166 Posts

January 10 2015 20:21 GMT

#6928

Wasn't he who said on D2 something like "Damdred is either scum or he's the cop".

D3 he says if the CCer to ritoky is Damdred we lynch him

Vivax

22166 Posts

January 10 2015 20:21 GMT

#6929

Might be confusing him with someone else, but I think it was him.

Vivax

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January 10 2015 20:22 GMT

#6931

Plus Damdred tried really hard to push me onto super D2 at EoD. That didn't look like a bus at all. I'm like 90 % on Damdred being town. He was begging me to read his case, to vote super, he was so sure etc.

Vivax

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January 10 2015 21:10 GMT

#6934

After the latest filter checks I'm at Palmar + Sicklucker.

Sicklucker cause his scumread on ritoky D1 looks like a bus from which he retracts gladly when the geript option shows up.

Plus that BS where he asked me for 7 reads.

Plus that other BS that made me vote him D3.

Vivax

22166 Posts

January 10 2015 21:24 GMT

#6936

Pretty sure SL bussed super like a mofo starting from D2, I have no idea how he lists super as scum with geript but somehow it's only just super who matters to him.

There's also an instance where he says to me geript is "my easy lynch" and then lists him as scum. Not literally like that

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On January 05 2015 08:50 sicklucker wrote:

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Ya except I dont think chyz is the easy target here...

On January 05 2015 08:56 sicklucker wrote:
Sure I dont actually want to vote vivax I just spited him out of anger and super was always my vote
##unvote ##vote superbia

On January 05 2015 09:51 sicklucker wrote:
Ok your probably right but its not even just that which makes me think I green checked a mafia. Its certain players reaction to it.

Ritoky ,super and ksc altho he might be town like never even consider that im the cop because they think im trying to take a bullet because I gave them a fake green check. They amuse im not the real cop and getting ready for when im cced.
But their wrong im town and not getting cced.

Ritoky, super , lm mafia

Mafia team

gerit
robik
super
lm
ritoky

Green check dandred

Vivax

22166 Posts

January 10 2015 21:25 GMT

#6937

On January 11 2015 06:22 Lazermonkey wrote:
Without even reading SLs filter, 33 pages of filter is pretty town looking...

Yeah you're right, good argument, I guess iI'll vote for you then.

Thanks for reminding me.

Vivax

22166 Posts

January 10 2015 21:46 GMT

#6944

Yes makes sense to want to keep the framer alive then but shoot the cop.

Pointless discussion.

Vivax

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January 10 2015 21:51 GMT

#6945

Yeeeehes let's just go by filter size this game.

LM, GB, Palmar are the other scum, they have the smallest filters. Chezinu doesn't count.

Easy.

Vivax

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January 10 2015 21:57 GMT

#6947

On January 11 2015 06:55 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm not scum though.

I'm an unicorn

Vivax

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January 10 2015 22:36 GMT

#6951

On January 11 2015 07:27 GlowingBear wrote:

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They were not sure who the cop was

That's what you believe, back it up with some quotes or i'm calling TMI.
For all I know ritoky only pushed Robik, and they shot Robik, leaving ritoky to die, so I really have no idea where you get this opinion. Show me or I'm calling TMI or lying on you.

Vivax

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January 10 2015 22:41 GMT

#6953

Honestly if Palmar, LM and GB. If you guys are scum, you are in a super bad spot, just concede. Was a fun game, was a long game. But I don't see what mislynches you could push at this point. I'm not lynching Damdred. I'm only still sort of suspicious of marv and Artanis, and suspicious of SL but his activity is really massive and if you folks are scum one of you just said to lynch him. What other options do you have left? CHezinu? Lol, GL trying to push him as mislynch when there's nothing you could use from his filter. Maybe Kelsier, yeah if you push Kelsier and he's not mafia you might have a chance.

Vivax

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January 10 2015 22:43 GMT

#6954

You could try to push me too but then get ready for a long war of attrition you probably won't win.

Vivax

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January 10 2015 22:44 GMT

#6955

On January 11 2015 07:38 Damdred wrote:
I thought Kel was the cop honestly with how he went against SL claiming cop and him switching his read on me around so crazily after N2. I thought Rob was going to turn up VT. Either way I would of voted rit out over rob at that point.

GB do you think that theory is a bit more game specific, I know the framer is really valuable when a cops still alive but isn't it a bit different because it was on HF in carol and hes really important to keep around?

Yeah I thought Kels was cop too after that SL claim.
He could be mafia after all since mafia killed JAT and VE after that night and not Kelsier even though he looked like cop for trying to pick apart SL's claim so hard.