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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 22:05 GMT
#2415
On January 03 2015 06:37 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2015 06:33 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 03 2015 06:31 sicklucker wrote:
On January 03 2015 06:29 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 03 2015 06:28 sicklucker wrote:
Like this game is actually madness. My only decent town reads left are like marv and robik and now they want to kill each other.


wtf you townread eden,dam ,artanis and drH enough to vote on bats.



i mean sure but from my pov its unlikely everyone was town in a mislynch. There also trying to all bury me. Im still leaning town but not strong on eden artanis doc. I just completely recend my dandred read. That was a weak early read he has not really backed it up.


so me and palmar are no longer town now either?

why did robick and marv become town aswell?


Na your probably still town. But you do lose some points attacking an easy mislynch harder the anyone else. Palmer just completely fell off the world. I have no idea what he is anymore he spent the whole time blaming others and not helping find scum.

Im also less sure on gerit because if that mislynch wa stown driven then most likely both horses are town. And my main reason to town read palmer was his drive to kill him.


Earlier you also said the only logical conclusion you can come to is that he's town for not saving himself as well but it doesn't seem like you really believe that. You just said you'd want to move forward and lynch geript so why are we talking about who gets town cred and how nice edens list was. Tell me more about geript
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 22:13 GMT
#2418
You seemed pretty convinced earlier he was scum pretty much on the basis that he wasn't trying to save himself.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 22:13 GMT
#2419
On January 03 2015 07:05 sicklucker wrote:
Whattt? Im not trying to do that at all. I understand I hammered bats over gerit. I even say this 1 min before vote
"let the record show I hammered bats"

Thats not what a mafia would do. I was 100% the hammer but I garantee most people here wouldnt notice that and think someome like the 5th or 7th vote on him was.

lol...why would you think that of all things.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 22:21 GMT
#2426
On January 03 2015 07:18 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2015 06:59 sicklucker wrote:
Who made that list post on the people who wasted their votes? because that was really good. Was that ritoky or eden?

That was me. Hidden behind double quotes for readability:

Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 15:58 Eden1892 wrote:
Alright, here's some vote count analysis. First, the count, hidden behind double quotes for readability. Added green for batsnacks' flip.

On January 02 2015 13:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
I kount vot


ritoky (1): DoctorHelvetica, sicklucker, marvellosity, Superbia

TheChyz (3): Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Vivax, TheChyz, Batsnacks, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp]

DoctorHelvetica (0): TheChyz, Koshi

geript (4): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Palmar, Artanis[XP], Lazermonkey, DoctorHelvetica, Marvellosity, justanothertownie, KelsierSC, sicklucker, Eden1892

marvellosity (0): Artanis[Xp]

Lazermonkey (0): TheChyz, Batsnacks

IAmRobik (0): Artanis[XP]

sicklucker (1): ritoky

Vivax (2): Koshi, geript

Batsnacks (6): Justanothertownie, eden1892, doctorhelvetica, artanis[Xp], damdred, sicklucker

Not Voting: folks

Currently batsnacks is set to be lynched.

until deadline.


First thing I want to look at is outliers, because I think they tend to be easier to figure out. The three wagons at end of day were Chyz, geript and batsnacks, so all other voters are defined as outliers here. They are:

Superbia
ritoky
Koshi
geript

Additionally the nonvoting RebirthOfLegend can go here.

Superbia:
Has all of two posts in the game, neither of any substance. Says ritoky claimed mafia with their big reads post without explaining why, votes ritoky and then bails for the rest of the day, not bothering to convince anyone to vote for ritoky. Ignores JAT asking for an explanation, no one else really seems to care either way.

I don't like this. For all I can derive from Superbia's thought process from this vote, this might as well be a dice roll vote. There's nothing here for me to make any sense of. If Superbia is town and believes ritoky is mafia then why not try to convince anyone to kill ritoky? And if Superbia doesn't then why completely abandon the thread and not bother to try to figure out who is mafia?

ritoky:
After the vote (which came between his big reads list post and his next post itt), ritoky only brings up the case on sicklucker once... when sicklucker questions him on it. Spends most of the day being engaged in other discussions and feeling out other players for their direction, but doesn't push the case on sicklucker. And it's not even not pushing it because of a change of heart or anything, as far as I can see. The case is just dropped altogether without any mention, like it never existed. After talking to sicklucker there's only one passing reference to the suspicion at all (responding to GlowingBear and saying they were "on the same page" concerning, among others, sicklucker).

This is really suspicious considering how aggressively ritoky pushed early in the game. Even allowing for a change in posting style due to time constraints resulting from ER work, you figure that if ritoky is still sure about the read on sicklucker that there'd be some effort to push it. And ritoky can't even claim to have had a change of heart, because sometime during ritoky's last burst of activity, (s)he posted an updated vote count including the vote for sicklucker. I feel like if I were a townie here and I had posted that vote count update after suspecting sicklucker, and I had internally changed my mind about sicklucker being mafia, posting that I was voting for sicklucker would be a wakeup call. Like "whoa, wait, I'm still on that guy? I need to move my vote."

Koshi:
Arrived at suspicion of Vivax about an hour before posting a vote, pressed Vivax on a few key questions during that hour, pushed the hell out of a Vivax lynch before going to bed at a time which 100% syncs up with his irl location.

Sorry that was short but this looks clean as can be. Only reason Koshi was on an outlier was because of a lack of time to push the case once it formulated. Koshi is probably town.

geript:
On January 02 2015 14:24 geript wrote:
Not ideal. I just assumed I was going to be lynched or at worst Chyz. Best option Vivax. I get why Bat was sketch, but why the last second switch?

This is garbage.

Vivax wasn't a viable wagon at all when geript posted and geript had enough time to see that. It was 20 minutes before the lynch. The switch wasn't even last-second, it was last-hour. At the time he voted Chyz was in no danger of being voted off. How do you check in to a voting thread and vote for someone who isn't a viable wagon out of fear that either you or someone else who isn't a viable wagon is going to get killed? And especially if you "get why Bat was sketch," how in the world do you have a hangup about voting for him and instead park on an outlier?

And then there's this gem shortly before:

On January 02 2015 12:23 geript wrote:
Vivax is probably an ok lynch but I'm not actually sold that he'll flip mafia.


So now it's checking into a voting thread, voting for someone you're not even sure is mafia who also isn't a viable wagon out of fear that either you or someone else who isn't a viable wagon is going to get killed.

geript has a lot of explaining to do. Doc asks a good question about why mafia!geript does this in light of batsnacks flipping town; I feel like the answer that came to mind for me (not wanting to be a town wagon) isn't a very good one, and it's still the best one I have. But I don't get the townie mindset that leads to ^^^that.


TL;DR
ritoky, Superbia mafia
geript wtf


Anyway, I don't think geript answered this (not hiding for readability):

Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 15:58 Eden1892 wrote:
geript:
On January 02 2015 14:24 geript wrote:
Not ideal. I just assumed I was going to be lynched or at worst Chyz. Best option Vivax. I get why Bat was sketch, but why the last second switch?

This is garbage.

Vivax wasn't a viable wagon at all when geript posted and geript had enough time to see that. It was 20 minutes before the lynch. The switch wasn't even last-second, it was last-hour. At the time he voted Chyz was in no danger of being voted off. How do you check in to a voting thread and vote for someone who isn't a viable wagon out of fear that either you or someone else who isn't a viable wagon is going to get killed? And especially if you "get why Bat was sketch," how in the world do you have a hangup about voting for him and instead park on an outlier?

And then there's this gem shortly before:

On January 02 2015 12:23 geript wrote:
Vivax is probably an ok lynch but I'm not actually sold that he'll flip mafia.


So now it's checking into a voting thread, voting for someone you're not even sure is mafia who also isn't a viable wagon out of fear that either you or someone else who isn't a viable wagon is going to get killed.

geript has a lot of explaining to do. Doc asks a good question about why mafia!geript does this in light of batsnacks flipping town; I feel like the answer that came to mind for me (not wanting to be a town wagon) isn't a very good one, and it's still the best one I have. But I don't get the townie mindset that leads to ^^^that.


So can anyone else explain how this makes sense from... any POV? His explanation is obviously BS to me and I feel like he has to be mafia because I can't see why a townie would do that.

I was reading the thread some at work and I think I'm on top of things, but it's possible I missed something. Did Superbia ever say anything that mattered? I saw ritoky did.

I think I want to kill Superbia and/or geript today. I also think sicklucker's recent posts are rather suspicious but I don't want to kill him because he's adorable. Everything he posts makes me want to hug him and say "Bless your heart boy" and reach for a swig of sweet tea while sitting in my rocking chair on my front porch. I admit this is atrocious reasoning and will probably be talked out of it if sicklucker is the kill tomorrow but can we keep him? please???

No, no one will escape the hell of my tunnel
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 22:22 GMT
#2428
On January 03 2015 07:16 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2015 07:08 sicklucker wrote:
Like your focusing on shit things. If im town I cant figure out whats going on in gerits head. Hes definitely conceding tho. That could be as town or mafia. He later explain his vote and I kinda believe him? But at the time it looked like he was trying to kill himself. And like I dont think mafia does that ever when they can vote to kill a town.


all your posts stink of wifom and you trying to clear yourself with poor logic.

you argue that there is no way that you and geript can be scum because about 3 pages into d1 you made some jokey post that no one took seriously.

Again one of the main things that is scummy is you are just obsessed with trying to clear people, mostly yourself and tell people how towny you are and all the towny things you have apparently done.

He already dropped hints that he was really wanting to collect town cred from the geript lynch and now he's acting like he got it already even tho geript didnt flip and he backed down on his read. Why would you suspect someone for martyring and giving up and then feel like they're town for ..exactly that? stinky
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 22:48 GMT
#2442
On January 03 2015 07:46 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2015 07:41 Vivax wrote:
ya im done, this game has been such a mispleasure to play. Thanks dr.H, great game played by you. Best town player by far. You caught the scum. Here are my current notes btw.


Not sure if sarcasm when he tilted.

I don't really get why he would, as mafia, ragequit right after trying to post a big case on Lazermonkey and right before posting all his claimed notes for the game, though. Like if he's mafia giving up and letting himself get lynched why would you bother to post a big list of things?

misdirection
last effort for sympathy
so that you will say what you're saying rn. it doesn't mean anything. what makes it so impossible for scum to post a list
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 22:55 GMT
#2446
it certainly doesn't seem to mean he gave a shit about his list or believed in his reads very strongly
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 23:03 GMT
#2448
You were extremely confident about geript until he voted vivax though
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 23:48 GMT
#2474
I find it weird that basically the thread was crapping on batsnacks for not using his vote to save himself as though it were mafia indicative yet the same behavior seems to be giving people (like sicklucker) doubts about geript.

I have to go to work now, I won't be able to post really at all for the rest of the night. But I will be reading and lurking, might make short posts if I feel the need to.

I don't like geript, sicklucker, vivax, thechyz, palmar, artanis, damdred the most. I'd say my confidence goes about in that order since I've done the least reading on artanis and damdred specifically.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 23:59 GMT
#2486
On January 03 2015 08:57 KelsierSC wrote:
you basicaa
lly said everything bats had done in the game was scummy. but you hadn't noticed it before someone else decided to lynch him.


isnt sicklucker just a worse example of this same problem
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 03 2015 00:24 GMT
#2511
this game cattier than real housewives
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 03 2015 00:25 GMT
#2512
Eden I thought at first was just nice but he always trying too hard not to ruffle feathers and seems to lack too much confidence at this point in the game. he seemed more confident in the first two hours of the game
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 03 2015 01:19 GMT
#2551
vivax case on jat was bullshit if anyone wanna.revisit that gem
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 03 2015 02:15 GMT
#2574
Also he didnt say anything when my reason for ultimately voting batsnacks is the same as his for supposedly thinking geript must be town

He said geript was confirmed scum for giving up and then that he was probably town for giving up and i guess he thinks geript is scum again but he isnt really talking about it
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 03 2015 02:18 GMT
#2575
I got 20 minutes of wifi here
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 03 2015 02:28 GMT
#2578
On January 03 2015 11:26 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2015 06:19 sicklucker wrote:
Name a few people who should be checked.

This is an interesting question and one of the only reasons I'm not jumping on the "lets kill SL immediately" train

Why
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 03 2015 04:28 GMT
#2624
12 hrs is plenty of time to forget something. only takey me 5 minute
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 03 2015 06:10 GMT
#2710
y'all overreact to these flips
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 03 2015 19:37 GMT
#2920
Got home from work at 1am and went to sleep. Awake now, have a lot to catch up on. Leaving for work again in 4 hours but I won't be getting home so late tonight.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 03 2015 19:40 GMT
#2921
On January 04 2015 01:55 Vivax wrote:
I'm not gonna rely to that trash heuristic after having picked apart enough things in JAT's filter that don't add up.

And then throw it all away cause in your opinion scum doesn't organize lynches at late hours.

Do you stand by the fact that he was "lying" about that guy having no reads or whatever? The only time I saw you back up this case with quotes you were obviously cherrypicking
RIP Aaliyah
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