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On January 06 2015 01:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 01:46 KelsierSC wrote:
I could see marv and palmar being mafia here and just putting up this bullshit fight i could see you being a massive idiot
hurtful.
Anyway so I look at this game so far and we see D1 that the wagon is two townies so mafia doesn't really have to do anything, if you vote geript and leave it there you don't really have to do anything when the bats wagon starts.
So did marv and palmar really do anything EOD, not really.
so d2, both of them vote on viv but are pretty easily convinced to vote elsewhere, I didn't see effort put in at all in d2. Again with the lynch pretty firmly on geript there is no real reason to get involved.
No it is n2, we have lots of vote information and plenty to go on and marv and palmar have an argument like.
"you aren't pushing me so you are mafia"
"why are you calling me scared , that makes you mafia"
as far as i'm aware palmar and marv are good players and this ridiculous squabble is what they focus on. No I don't buy this argument for a second , it looks incredibly awkward and false.
I could see a scum team that contains marv and palmar
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SL if I entertain the world where you are actually the cop.
who is your green check actually on?
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On January 06 2015 02:08 sicklucker wrote:
Opps I mean dandred thats my check ormorow
ugh what do you mean?
damdred is red?
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On January 06 2015 02:09 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 02:09 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2015 02:08 sicklucker wrote:
Opps I mean dandred thats my check ormorow ugh what do you mean? damdred is red? He is trolling.
alright fair enough.
I have many reasons to doubt that SL is cop, his scummy play has been raised by me before, I have asked him to explain his inconsistencies and he has dodged my questions about his dam check.
But if I entertain a world where SL is cop with a green on dam. then the bats wagon is almost guaranteed to be totally clean. unless artanis is mafia but I don't know I can't see a mafia voting in that position.
But it also means that I have no reasons to TR LM and he also fits the mould of someone who has just left his vote on geript and not really contributed to the game in a meaningful way.
In the world where SL is cop and dam is his green. I can see a scum team of something like this.
Viv
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Super
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On January 06 2015 02:16 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 02:14 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2015 02:09 justanothertownie wrote:On January 06 2015 02:09 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2015 02:08 sicklucker wrote:
Opps I mean dandred thats my check ormorow ugh what do you mean? damdred is red? He is trolling. alright fair enough. I have many reasons to doubt that SL is cop, his scummy play has been raised by me before, I have asked him to explain his inconsistencies and he has dodged my questions about his dam check. But if I entertain a world where SL is cop with a green on dam. then the bats wagon is almost guaranteed to be totally clean. unless artanis is mafia but I don't know I can't see a mafia voting in that position. But it also means that I have no reasons to TR LM and he also fits the mould of someone who has just left his vote on geript and not really contributed to the game in a meaningful way. In the world where SL is cop and dam is his green. I can see a scum team of something like this. Viv LM Super Marv Palmar There's almost 0% chance of marv/Palm being mafia together. Almost. Come talk to me again if one of them flips red though.
why because of their bullshit girl slapping fight?
You think the arguments they raise here are good?, it is the most pointless squabble I can imagine.
you think marv and palmar are incapable of that?
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On January 06 2015 02:19 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 02:18 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2015 02:16 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 06 2015 02:14 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2015 02:09 justanothertownie wrote:On January 06 2015 02:09 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2015 02:08 sicklucker wrote:
Opps I mean dandred thats my check ormorow ugh what do you mean? damdred is red? He is trolling. alright fair enough. I have many reasons to doubt that SL is cop, his scummy play has been raised by me before, I have asked him to explain his inconsistencies and he has dodged my questions about his dam check. But if I entertain a world where SL is cop with a green on dam. then the bats wagon is almost guaranteed to be totally clean. unless artanis is mafia but I don't know I can't see a mafia voting in that position. But it also means that I have no reasons to TR LM and he also fits the mould of someone who has just left his vote on geript and not really contributed to the game in a meaningful way. In the world where SL is cop and dam is his green. I can see a scum team of something like this. Viv LM Super Marv Palmar There's almost 0% chance of marv/Palm being mafia together. Almost. Come talk to me again if one of them flips red though. why because of their bullshit girl slapping fight? You think the arguments they raise here are good?, it is the most pointless squabble I can imagine. you think marv and palmar are incapable of that? You should probably listen to VE. It is likely that he has way more information than you do.
I know VE is a way better player than me, so is like the entire thread.
But as far as I'm aware this is the only significant marv/palmar interaction this game. In a game where neither of them have made many significant interactions and the arguments they present are the most irrelevant unconvincing things I have possibly read.
If you can explain why it is impossible that two great mafia players can't pretend to argue then I will agree.
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On January 06 2015 02:21 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 02:18 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2015 02:16 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 06 2015 02:14 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2015 02:09 justanothertownie wrote:On January 06 2015 02:09 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2015 02:08 sicklucker wrote:
Opps I mean dandred thats my check ormorow ugh what do you mean? damdred is red? He is trolling. alright fair enough. I have many reasons to doubt that SL is cop, his scummy play has been raised by me before, I have asked him to explain his inconsistencies and he has dodged my questions about his dam check. But if I entertain a world where SL is cop with a green on dam. then the bats wagon is almost guaranteed to be totally clean. unless artanis is mafia but I don't know I can't see a mafia voting in that position. But it also means that I have no reasons to TR LM and he also fits the mould of someone who has just left his vote on geript and not really contributed to the game in a meaningful way. In the world where SL is cop and dam is his green. I can see a scum team of something like this. Viv LM Super Marv Palmar There's almost 0% chance of marv/Palm being mafia together. Almost. Come talk to me again if one of them flips red though. why because of their bullshit girl slapping fight? You think the arguments they raise here are good?, it is the most pointless squabble I can imagine. you think marv and palmar are incapable of that? No, but I rarely think the arguments Palmar brings are good. Or Marv, ask him how often I agree with his scumreads EVEN WHEN he provides reasoning. It's possible that they're mafia together, I gave a bullshit hyperbole statistic. It's probably closer to 75% against. Still though, I think there's at least one town inside them. Which, if there is one townie, do you think it is?
alright fair enough
If there is one of them that is town...I honestly don't know
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On January 06 2015 02:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's not impossible, just unlikely. Like, look: if they are mafia together then what is their objective here having a little hissy fight during the night-phase? Doesn't that just like...make them attractive cop checks? Or make them LESS likely to be medic saved? Doesn't coming in here and bitchfighting with each other draw NEGATIVE attention to them? So what is their goal?
you make a solid point. I can see them trying to make up for a lack of input the first two days or potentially trying to distance themselves. But your argument is pretty good.
if i had to pick one as town I would probably say marv is town
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People need to look at the case I brought up on LM d1. If you like I can quote it.
then with the fact that he has parked his vote on geript who we now know is town.
I need to look at his play d2 because I was mostly focused on the people who voted bats/geript d2.
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On January 01 2015 01:49 KelsierSC wrote:
so Lazer monkey one of your main points about chyz is that he didn't have a town/scum read early on and didn't give it till someone pushed him, yet you are also unable to give a read on any of the 3 main protagonists in the early game. (eden, drh and rit) . So you are scum to?
On January 02 2015 00:02 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 23:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi again.
I realize that I kinda sucked yesterday. Got way to tunnely on Chyz. I will try to reread some things and reevaluate my thoughts as best as I can.
As for the "case" on me, I think its pretty weak + I will have some time to post today so I don't fear too much for my death. Won't really bother to defend myself right now but I'd rather focus on trying to get a hang on the game and figure out who I think is the best lynch! "this is what I should say to appear town" To me this sounds just like, if I defend myself I look scum, so im just going to act like ibwant to scum hunt. Really forced and formulaic statement. Also if you admit you sucked yesterday then how can the case on you be weak? Explain why the case is weak
LM reason for voting geript, is there any real scum hunting from this guy?
On January 02 2015 02:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm having doubts about Chyz as well. I do think his play is bad and I don't agree with almost anything he has said this fair. But I'm not sure that makes him scum. He could just as well be bad town. I don't disagree with your case DH in the sense that I think all of Chyz plays are wierd and/or bad but can you explain his actions from a scum PoV? If something doesn't make sense from a town PoV but also doesn't make sense as scum, I don't think its a good reason to lynch someone for.
Granted, I would not be super sad if Chyz got lynched today. I do think he is a better lynch than say Robik. But I think geript is a much better lynch for today.
##Unvote
##Vote: geript
I had a scum read on this guy d1 but didnt really focus him d2. I think it is time to reconsider him
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On January 03 2015 22:41 Lazermonkey wrote:
My objection to kill Vivax at this point is that he is still refusing to talk about all other lynch targets and keeps on defending himself and/or pushes for people who aren't getting lynched this decade. Couldn't scum Vivax try to hop on some easy target instead of Eden/jat?
Though I don't think this is a super strong argument for Vivax either since it still would mean his town play is garbage.
On January 04 2015 05:37 Lazermonkey wrote:I'm actually super cool with killing Vivax atm. But since everyone else is as well, and there is no point in town afk for 48 hours and agree how scummy we think Vivax is, we might as well talk about someone else. Like Damdred. Damdred is not chasing scum. He is answering everyone very politely when they ask him questions and he is always really fast to answer suspicion on him. This is not necessarily bad, both town and scum wants to survive and be polite. But when that is ALL you do then there is something seriously wrong. Reading the last two pages of filter he has three suspects, me, SL and DH. But none of us are even close to get lynched atm. So, why would you ever prioritizing answer questions instead of pushing your scum reads? So what does Damdred think of the other relavant stuff? Like the guy who is about to get lynched, Vivax? Well, noone knows. While Damdred does mention Vivax in some contexts, the only time he even comes remotely close to taking any stance on Vivax is in this post Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 11:35 Damdred wrote:
I'm sorry for my absence, had parents and work today so got sucked away.
Quick thought list
I do not think i would lynch Chy today yea his going away post was kind of meh but he put the effort in to at least do it and his frustration really seems like its honest, and the tunnel on him this game is way different then the game he is linked to I think. Its way more concentrated here and I don't think he really can do much when hes being called scum for almost half the posts every page.
Koshi really brought up something good about vivax I think but i'm not sure that i like how geript is marching to his death here either. Not too impressive imo. BONUS FACT : Vivax never takes a stance on Damdred. Take that for what its worth but I think its very likely that we have both Vivax and Damdred as scum!
sort of a weird switch around but ok.
On January 05 2015 05:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
So why is everyone suddenly hesitant about the Vivax wagon? I don't see what changed really. Vivax posted alot but he still focuses energy on unlynchable townies and making crazy reads.
On January 05 2015 06:18 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay, fuck it. I like Vivax response to me. Its true I missread some stuff about him. I often do that (you can check my other games if you want to confirm that). His response felt very genuine though, he was really really mad. Like town mad.
I'll kill geript then.
A lot of waffle and switching around between vivax and geript, again there is no real scum hunting here in my opinion he doesnt like viv makes some posts but..fuck it lets kill geript. ok...
disappears, this guy has been an irrelevant ghost along with a bad voting pattern and no legitimate scum hunting or genuine reasons for switching his reads
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yeh LM is my top scum read right now
I would also lynch Super and Rit
As for Viv, well his D2 play and the strange start to the day really threw me. I think with geript flipping town though he has to be up for major consideration.
a lot of what I read depends on SL, I think he is scum though. I don't know what the fuck his cop bullshit is but he has dodged my questions on it , it is full of inconsistencies. His play overall has been an attempt to clear himself as often as possible, along with other players, by applying bad logic and WIFOM. He has constantly acted like he has played well and led town or been massively influential, this overstating is really tiring and I don't think he believes it.. I don't believe the claim at all.
but in the world where he is an awful cop I can see a scum team of where they have just sort of coasted by and let town go round in circles.
Marv
Palmar
LM
Super
...+ viv or rit maybe, unsure of this.
my town would be
Robik, JAT, artanis, DrH
I like VE aswell but I just don't have the data on him and it is really a "tone" read more than anything.
GB has now got internet access again and I look forward to getting his perspective on the game for realz.
if you have been forgotten, please dont be rustled
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I also feel there is a mafia between Marv and Palmar and I would say it is probably Palmar
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If I had to choose one of them, but again it could easily be both
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On January 06 2015 03:13 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 03:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 06 2015 03:10 IAmRobik wrote:
I think it would actually be cool if I was the voice of 4 people and kelsier/sicklucker/gb didn't post all game and I just controlled their voice and votes....even if 1 of them is scum But you literally just said you're gonna lynch me, so that's about the most uncool thing that could ever happen. What do you think about the marv/Palmar thing that you've so graciously informed us is not very interesting? Nah. I'm lynching Vivax...I'm just leaving the avenue open to possibly lynch you tomorrow if my uncontrollably big dick decides to swing in that general direction
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I'd like to hear what people have to say on my LM argument.
Any reason why this guy lives tomorrow?
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On January 06 2015 03:14 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 03:10 IAmRobik wrote:
I think it would actually be cool if I was the voice of 4 people and kelsier/sicklucker/gb didn't post all game and I just controlled their voice and votes....even if 1 of them is scum if their down im down
you better not afk tomorrow dude we have to have a talk.
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On January 06 2015 03:15 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 03:14 KelsierSC wrote:
I'd like to hear what people have to say on my LM argument.
Any reason why this guy lives tomorrow?
LM has an ok shot of being mafia. ritoky and superbia have better shots.
what about viv?
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On January 06 2015 03:19 Damdred wrote:
A few things
@jat, I am doing a few things about the house and some of the people I asked to look at what I posted about ve yesterday like robik told me no he wouldn't. So I asked him to now.
@ve I'm not sure why you think this about me personally when I never go after people personally after games unless they just fuck off in lylo then I say bad show. Other than that I can't remember the last time I really built a case against you and did this, in fact in metal mafai which we just played I pushed against your lynch all day? In the larger game where you were inventor you tunneled me all game. Please stop lying though to make me look bad.
@kel, why didn't you push lm yesterday I thought you were ok with him because he was pushing me through part of the day
Hey dam,
yeh my focus yesterday was on the people who late voted on bats/geript because that came off as really scummy to me. LM also voted on geript who at the time I believed was scum. He also pushed you and you seemed pretty scummy to me.
Now it turns out geript is town I am working things out and hence why I have returned to my scum read on LM.
Do you like the case?
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