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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22245 Posts
January 02 2015 19:08 GMT
#2141
Now I'll try to focus on geript cause if he's scum then JAT is confirmed mafia cause it shows how he bussed claiming to have reasons to be on geript but set up another wagon "cause stronger feelings". Yeah sure.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 02 2015 19:09 GMT
#2142
On January 03 2015 04:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I hit the panic button, bats looks really bad to me all of a sudden so recency bias i guess.


I'm not sure if i'm buying this exactly, you spent all day yelling about chy and geript basically as a scum team less of the day about geript obviously and you were about to get what you wanted and geript dead and switched to bats?

I don't take you for a panic button presser
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
January 02 2015 19:11 GMT
#2143
Damdred do you really think a 17 page super wordy D1 Dr. H can be scum?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 02 2015 19:13 GMT
#2144
You have to keep in mind that Dr. H said batsnacks was scummy all game too.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 02 2015 19:14 GMT
#2145
On January 03 2015 04:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Damdred do you really think a 17 page super wordy D1 Dr. H can be scum?


I've never played with Dr. H before so I really can't comment on what he would do, however i've seen good scum players get 30 pages+of filters in game. And dr h spent the whole day tunneling one person and almost all of his posts are about that one person and geript then he switched and pushed dirt on people and took none of the blame himself and claims he panic'd.

It just leaves me suspicious of him.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22245 Posts
January 02 2015 19:14 GMT
#2146
On January 03 2015 04:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Damdred do you really think a 17 page super wordy D1 Dr. H can be scum?


Dude don't interrupt the scumhunters with posting volume arguments. That's really out of place.
Post a gif and shush
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 19:15 GMT
#2147
I am a big time second guesser. With chyz, he took himself out and might even just get modkilled. I regret not voting geript, i have to take some time to reread this whole game probably before i feel really confident about anything again.
RIP Aaliyah
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22245 Posts
January 02 2015 19:15 GMT
#2148
Just look at JAT, 14 pages of hot air with some small bits you can extrapolate to something useful.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 02 2015 19:16 GMT
#2149
*15 pages of hot air
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22245 Posts
January 02 2015 19:17 GMT
#2150
On January 03 2015 04:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Damdred do you really think a 17 page super wordy D1 Dr. H can be scum?


Also I find it odd you wouldn't even try to give your own opinion on what Damdred is mentioning before trying to downplay its importance by claiming you can simply read DrH with posting volume.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
January 02 2015 19:17 GMT
#2151
On January 03 2015 04:14 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2015 04:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Damdred do you really think a 17 page super wordy D1 Dr. H can be scum?


I've never played with Dr. H before so I really can't comment on what he would do, however i've seen good scum players get 30 pages+of filters in game. And dr h spent the whole day tunneling one person and almost all of his posts are about that one person and geript then he switched and pushed dirt on people and took none of the blame himself and claims he panic'd.

It just leaves me suspicious of him.

He has posted suspicions on Batsnacks as well. I don't think I've ever seen someone be as wordy as Dr.H on D1 and be scum. DarthPunk has managed a 20 page filter on D1, but they were filled with oneliners. Dr.H's filter would be the longest in actual text for any scum I've ever seen here ever. That coupled with the fact that he seems to believe what he's saying and there being a certain line of direction in his thoughts make me feel that spending any time even thinking about him being scum at the moment is a waste of time.
On January 03 2015 04:14 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2015 04:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Damdred do you really think a 17 page super wordy D1 Dr. H can be scum?


Dude don't interrupt the scumhunters with posting volume arguments. That's really out of place.
Post a gif and shush

Don't make me get Promethelax to throw your toys in the pram again Vivax. It's happened before and I can channel it to make it happen again.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
January 02 2015 19:22 GMT
#2152
Vivax do you have a read on Ritoky?
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 02 2015 19:22 GMT
#2153
Artanis, what does your town list look like? I'm wondering f it is similar to minr
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
January 02 2015 19:28 GMT
#2154
On January 03 2015 04:22 IAmRobik wrote:
Artanis, what does your town list look like? I'm wondering f it is similar to minr

Dr. H
Koshi
JAT (I feel like how he took up 'leadership' during the night was something he wouldn't do as scum on reconsideration)
Palmar
Kelsier
Eden
I'm also liking VE but it's too early to tell.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 02 2015 19:30 GMT
#2155
Heres the issue i'm having, I am combing through DR. H filter now and it is really wordy. I'm not doing it now but I probably should if you take out the massive posts about chy, i'm pretty sure the filter looks a lot smaller and less wordy. Besides that Dr. H does throw some suspicion on batsnack and i did a small count and he talks about him or mentions his name 10-20 times total.

usually this is a one liner that hes on a scum team with geript and chy or that he gives him the heebees along with koshi, artanis palmar etc.,

On January 02 2015 04:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 04:35 justanothertownie wrote:
Marv, can I hear your opinion on batsnacks?

I think batsnacks is scum. I hate all of his posts but i didnt want to lose on chyz for a while. I know you're not asking me but id be glad to discuss batsnacks as scum since chyz and geript are practically locked for me


This is the first time he calls bats scum, and goes on to elaborate in the same space

On January 02 2015 04:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
What jumped out to me about snacks at first is this:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 06:02 batsnacks wrote:
Has anyone played with DrH before? Is this normal?

I feel like I would be more likely to vote TheChyz if DrH wasn't pushing him.

The thread is about 30 pages long. DrH has about about a 5 page filter, of which ~90% of his filter is tunneling TheChyz.

So ~16% of the game is DrH tunneling TheChyz.

First, I think that's way too much focus on a single person in a 20 person game. DrH is the only person voting TheChyz, and I haven't heard anyone say "I agree with your case DrH," so he's obviously not reaching people.

Second, this post is really townie imo:
On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.

And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.


So I think my conclusion would be that DrH's tunnel is not helping town.


First off I feel very uncomfortable when people suggest lynching for other reasons than believing in the read. I also feel uncomfortable when people talk about a vote like they think of it as leverage or something.

He picked out a post that eden had already thought made chyz seem town. I see no reason why a scum player would have a problem saying they changed their mind about a player who defended them. He wasn't under any real pressure and it's not like Koshi was gonna save him or anything lol. The thread already had major heat on Koshi at the time too.


and

On January 02 2015 04:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
plus this:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 06:44 batsnacks wrote:
Mr DrH what do you think about this:

First TheChyz posts this:
On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the tahread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.

I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.

I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey


And he earned town points for it:

On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being.

On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him.


Then later he posts this:
On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.

And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.


And gets more town points:
On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.

And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.

I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right?

It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense.

I feel better about Chyz for this post




Do you think TheChyz is intentionally rehashing the koshi read to gain town points?


if he got town points from eden he got town points from you for the same thing seeing as you both liked thechyz as town for the same reason. but you never really gave your reason why you thought that post made him town in the first place, just parroting eden. if he got town points from you that would imply you genuinely believed it was a town-indicative post so why would that be suspicious in the first place?

wouldn't the more natural conclusion be that thechyz was just trying to ape the town sentiment anyway? that's not really the same thing, this is a really awkward and conspiratorial argument


Not really sure i this is actually a scum read to me. Also he asks marv a question but never follows up on it from what I can see in his filter (i don't know if marv actually answered it or not) but dr. h never followed it up.

Several times he talks to bats and unlike how he talks to his other scum reads its almost as if he knows hes talking to town rather than trying to find out bats alignment.

And then finally when you get to the switch we go from. We shouldn't switch in the last hour, geript and chy should be the lynch to basically yolo batsnacks. To afterwards i'm still going to tunnel on X and its all hese other peoples fault not my own for doing this.

I really struggle to see how scum doesn't do this.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 02 2015 19:32 GMT
#2156
On January 03 2015 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2015 04:22 IAmRobik wrote:
Artanis, what does your town list look like? I'm wondering f it is similar to minr

Dr. H
Koshi
JAT (I feel like how he took up 'leadership' during the night was something he wouldn't do as scum on reconsideration)
Palmar
Kelsier
Eden
I'm also liking VE but it's too early to tell.


That is the worst reason to town read JAT i've ever seen, there are other reasons to town read him. But if he rolls scum he picks up the leadership just as fast thats why hes the champ.

justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
January 02 2015 19:33 GMT
#2157
Damdred I don't get it. There are several people on batsnacks who didn't really mention him earlier and you are going after Dr. H who like you just showed did?
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 19:34 GMT
#2158
What is my scum motivation for coming off geript? I'd like to kill him.on day 2, i was joking about thechyz earlier -_-
RIP Aaliyah
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 02 2015 19:37 GMT
#2159
On January 03 2015 04:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Damdred I don't get it. There are several people on batsnacks who didn't really mention him earlier and you are going after Dr. H who like you just showed did?


Cause something caught my eye in his filter, and all his shouting and what not earlier in the day just seems off now to me when he came off so fast on his top scums.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
January 02 2015 19:37 GMT
#2160
On January 03 2015 04:32 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2015 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 03 2015 04:22 IAmRobik wrote:
Artanis, what does your town list look like? I'm wondering f it is similar to minr

Dr. H
Koshi
JAT (I feel like how he took up 'leadership' during the night was something he wouldn't do as scum on reconsideration)
Palmar
Kelsier
Eden
I'm also liking VE but it's too early to tell.


That is the worst reason to town read JAT i've ever seen, there are other reasons to town read him. But if he rolls scum he picks up the leadership just as fast thats why hes the champ.


I don't think so. He had a strong scumread on Geript. He'd only have a reason to switch to Bats if both him and Geript were scum, and if that were the case I don't think a scum JAT with this much influence would've allowed it to get to the wire like this. I find a scum JAT/Geript team very hard to imagine and thus see no reason for a scum JAT to take charge and avert a Geript lynch last second.
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