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On January 03 2015 03:27 KelsierSC wrote:My case on Sicklucker 1) Sicklucker has a strong scum read on geript throughout most of day 1. Nothing original in the reads though. You can see in his filter most of it is just a geript is scum. He is scum for an early read on me etc. What is striking about SL's play is that he doesn't really want to find scum he just wants to clear people and get himself cleared. This strikes me as scummy play. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 07:28 sicklucker wrote:On January 02 2015 06:44 IAmRobik wrote:
What if we lynxh ritoky...many people brought up his terrible list post and how it contradicted itself 300 times but no one wants to lynch him? Weird.
Also, if he flips mafia, I'm definitely TMI cleared (I wanted to bring this up and then I saw palmar make a similar comment about himself and someone else...I only bring this up because I thought it was funny)
Anyone know when end of day is? Id be cleared too hum... Think id be down with this hes my #2 atm anyway Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 10:29 sicklucker wrote:
Well when geript flips mafia (hes going too) Everyone can sheep palmer and artanis to their hearts content. Ill also be pretty confirmed and a few others maybe too. 2) SL has his only real scum read as geript. Most of the day that is his push. Then this. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 13:29 sicklucker wrote:
I mean my 4 strongest town reads just voted bats. So ya im down ##vote bats I don't know all 4 of his strongest town. But giving up your only real read to just "screw it" and vote someone else. This just looks like a shitty reason to jump onto the bats wagon. 3) He town reads dam for like the dumbest reason I can think of. Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 14:46 sicklucker wrote:
No ive played as mafia with dandred and I dont think he has the balls to make a joke like that. This is really early in the game, I think even dam would admit he has no reason to be read town this game but SL is happy to give up his "top scum" read and follow dam because he made some joke start of d1? Again easy town read for no real reason and using this to justify jumping onto bats. 4) People may disagree with me here but SL has continuously overstated his importance in this game and tried to make his contribution seem more than it is. This is a scum tactic to me, false confidence and arrogance. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 09:00 sicklucker wrote:
So like I had a really strong first 24 hours. Now im hungover and being bad so ignore me for today plz and stop scum reading me because you didnt read my first 24 hours. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 10:03 sicklucker wrote:On January 02 2015 09:53 GlowingBear wrote:On January 02 2015 09:50 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 09:48 GlowingBear wrote:On January 02 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I'll read the game in 3 hours and give you guys reads. But you can't lynch anyone other than marv when he has got only 3 pages of filter.
The wi fi works poorly here in the hotel. I'm gonna rent some hours in the lobby's computer. This wasn't discussed? THIS WASN'T DISCUSSED? Don't put on a show and tell us why he is mafia instead if you really think so. Filter length is alignment indicative for marv. Even he admitted it on Russia Today. You were ther, dude. He had 11 pages of filter. He has 3 here. This not being discussed goes towards the scenario where marv is mafia. I can't believe in a world where scum wouldn't pick this up and try to get marv lynched day one. It means a lot. Im the only one who brought this up free town read? Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 17:27 sicklucker wrote:
So ritoky im more townie then in a previous game why dont you come out and say im town rather then "I dont know what to make of it yet" Yeh
I don't really like your case. What bothers me the most about sicklucker is how everything just happened around him and he just commented on it without trying to give it any direction. He didn't try to convince us Geript was scum over Bats even though that was as you said his read. This could be explained by a lack of confidence though, not necessarily scummy.
On January 03 2015 03:29 Damdred wrote:
I'm going to work on SL next I think while I have time. I probably won't comb through all of his games but will just look at this one since theirs more evidence. And yea I know JAT bu Koshi and I had a couple of words about it earlier and I went on and did the leg work for looking at all the games/filters.
But yea, JAT is never getting lynched. He was the only person during the bats lynch that was getting cold feet in any way, he even mentioned it several times I think it was how people were coming from everywhere to vote bats. Bats play this game was really different from his town games lately I made a post about why I think it resembled his scum game and it really does. And at the end he wasn't really plaing he was dodging questions and all.
That JAT was getting cold feet only matters if the alternate lynch was scum. If Geript is town then Mafia couldn't care less who gets lynched between the two. He also didn't really get cold feet until the end.
On January 03 2015 03:40 Superbia wrote:
What's up boys.
I'm looking forward to your massive contributions to justify not hanging on D2.
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On January 03 2015 03:41 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 03:41 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 03 2015 03:40 Superbia wrote:
What's up boys. You have ~60 hours to live. Make them count. Thanks for not putting kp on me. 
Would that I had a gun...
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On January 03 2015 03:40 justanothertownie wrote:
Vivax attacks me for voting geript instead of someone else when I wasn't sure about him. Then I attack batsnacks who I have a stronger scumread on and get him lynched. Now Vivax attacks me for this.
None of this makes any fucking sense.
You jumped onto the geript wagon for no other reason that he had more votes. You didn't attempt to move people to ritoky or lazer, or bats. Only after being on the geript wagon for as you claim, no strong reason, you initiated a counterpush on bats only. Later you apparently found reasons to vote geript out of spite and cause he was voting me but didn't although you said you intended to. A guy you never found suspicious up until that point suddenly became suspicious but not enough for you to vote. Why? Cause you knew bats was going to flip town imo.
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On January 03 2015 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
RoL
We will never forget his glorious contributions to the cause.
God bless.
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On January 03 2015 03:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 03:40 justanothertownie wrote:
Vivax attacks me for voting geript instead of someone else when I wasn't sure about him. Then I attack batsnacks who I have a stronger scumread on and get him lynched. Now Vivax attacks me for this.
None of this makes any fucking sense. You jumped onto the geript wagon for no other reason that he had more votes. You didn't attempt to move people to ritoky or lazer, or bats. Only after being on the geript wagon for as you claim, no strong reason, you initiated a counterpush on bats only. Later you apparently found reasons to vote geript out of spite and cause he was voting me but didn't although you said you intended to. A guy you never found suspicious up until that point suddenly became suspicious but not enough for you to vote. Why? Cause you knew bats was going to flip town imo.
Will you finally stop lying? A guy I never found suspicious?!
Why does it matter if I votde geript before starting my counterpush or not? There were 2 wagons and I put my vote on the wagon I thought was better. Case closed.
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On January 03 2015 03:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:We will never forget his glorious contributions to the cause. God bless.
amen
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On January 03 2015 03:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Damdred from the looks of the wagons, it didn't look like either of geript or Chyz would have made it over the line even with Doc's vote. What do you mean "he could have hammered one of his top two scumreads"?
ritoky (1): DoctorHelvetica, sicklucker, marvellosity, Superbia
TheChyz (2): Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Vivax, TheChyz, Batsnacks, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp]
DoctorHelvetica (0): TheChyz, Koshi
geript (6): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Palmar, Artanis[XP], Lazermonkey, DoctorHelvetica, Marvellosity, KelsierSC, justanothertownie, KelsierSC, [s]sicklucker[s/], [s]Eden1892[s/], batsnacks
marvellosity (0): Artanis[Xp]
Lazermonkey (0): TheChyz, Batsnacks
IAmRobik (0): Artanis[XP]
sicklucker (1): ritoky
Vivax (2): Koshi, geript
Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik
Take off Docs vote or SL vote and both hammer geript
and doc right afterwards says hes still goin to tunnel x
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If bats was JATS only scumread up until the point where he agreed that geript should be lynched, yet didn't really find a reason to clear bats from suspicion (and he was suspicious of him all the time), and even found reasons for geript to be town earlier, WHY THE REMORSE THAT HE COULDNT VOTE GERIPT. Like, why think "Oh shit I'm lynching the wrong guy" just cause he suddenly saw some reasons to get onto geript but didn't, bats should sitll have been his lynch of choice.
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On January 03 2015 03:46 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 03:43 Vivax wrote:On January 03 2015 03:40 justanothertownie wrote:
Vivax attacks me for voting geript instead of someone else when I wasn't sure about him. Then I attack batsnacks who I have a stronger scumread on and get him lynched. Now Vivax attacks me for this.
None of this makes any fucking sense. You jumped onto the geript wagon for no other reason that he had more votes. You didn't attempt to move people to ritoky or lazer, or bats. Only after being on the geript wagon for as you claim, no strong reason, you initiated a counterpush on bats only. Later you apparently found reasons to vote geript out of spite and cause he was voting me but didn't although you said you intended to. A guy you never found suspicious up until that point suddenly became suspicious but not enough for you to vote. Why? Cause you knew bats was going to flip town imo. Will you finally stop lying? A guy I never found suspicious?! Why does it matter if I votde geript before starting my counterpush or not? There were 2 wagons and I put my vote on the wagon I thought was better. Case closed.
I'm not lying, I even quoted the part where you said that geript acting like a donkey might be townie, which is just before the votecount where you decide to pile onto him instead of say, Lazermonkey, or ritoky.
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Bats was never my only scumread. What are you even talking about?
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Yeah I would like to hear why Doc doesn't vote for geript. Like, in context he says that bats is looking bad based on what's going on at the time I guess, but if he's suspicious of geript and geript is that close...
Doc why bats over geript?
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On January 03 2015 03:49 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 03:46 justanothertownie wrote:On January 03 2015 03:43 Vivax wrote:On January 03 2015 03:40 justanothertownie wrote:
Vivax attacks me for voting geript instead of someone else when I wasn't sure about him. Then I attack batsnacks who I have a stronger scumread on and get him lynched. Now Vivax attacks me for this.
None of this makes any fucking sense. You jumped onto the geript wagon for no other reason that he had more votes. You didn't attempt to move people to ritoky or lazer, or bats. Only after being on the geript wagon for as you claim, no strong reason, you initiated a counterpush on bats only. Later you apparently found reasons to vote geript out of spite and cause he was voting me but didn't although you said you intended to. A guy you never found suspicious up until that point suddenly became suspicious but not enough for you to vote. Why? Cause you knew bats was going to flip town imo. Will you finally stop lying? A guy I never found suspicious?! Why does it matter if I votde geript before starting my counterpush or not? There were 2 wagons and I put my vote on the wagon I thought was better. Case closed. I'm not lying, I even quoted the part where you said that geript acting like a donkey might be townie, which is just before the votecount where you decide to pile onto him instead of say, Lazermonkey, or ritoky.
Yes, I said that. After saying multiple times that I thought he was scummy. There was no wagon on Lazermonkey or Ritoky at the time. There were 2 wagons. Chyz and geript.
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On January 02 2015 08:29 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 08:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 02 2015 07:50 ritoky wrote:+ Show Spoiler [wall of text] +On January 01 2015 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 13:33 ritoky wrote:+ Show Spoiler [wall of reads] +finally caught up in the thread, don't have a lot of time because new years is a busy day in the ER; just gonna copy/paste my notes in the thread; sorry i can't be more engaged:
note - trying not to null read anyone from this point forward, list everyone as town or scum unless they haven't posted
koshi - his wording in certain cases seems like he is trying to appease (i.e. "TheChyz is not scummy to me. I am not saying he is a townread but the case Dr.H. makes is not how I read Chyz." and other cases of not saying people's alignment ex: calling me and drh meh), says needs something new and fresh doesn't make it happen. mafia pile
gb - did his "not reading the thread" shtick which he did as town twice before, done nothing else. town pile
*geript - start of game was town: jokes, prodding, pushing for answers, calling someone's case horrible. did mafia thing where promised information in terms of meta reads on people, hasn't delivered. dunno why, think this post is super town: "At some point yah. But I'd like to have a read on most of the people in the game. There's way too many inactives right now. Maybe when I reread I'll realize I'm being dumb idk. We'll see." could be wrong, look into again later. town pile for now*
artanis - asking questions, pushing for answers to his questions, him being "torn" about chyz seems a little odd not enough to worry now, but watch to see how that read develops. town pile
lazer - says won't lynch drh, then null reads me for essentially the same reason. makes not very much sense. has a torn sentiment on geript like me and skeptical of koshi like me. could be wrong, but read too strange. mafia pile
marv - supposedly great town player, managed 2nd page of filter while doing remarkably little. read on me seems lazy and inaccurate. mafia pile
^jat - bleeding town out of every orofice. town pile^
*robik - made it to almost 2 pages of his filter while complaining about not having time to play, could have spent time playing. promises to wreck, worth waiting until tomorrow to see because strong town player. town pile*
thechyz - posts seem incredibly honest...can't place finger on it. could be slight donkey, but really seemed concerned about thread direction. snap omgus'd drH, which seems more town responsive in the context. town pile
palmar - agree with lots of his reads, don't like excuses. town pile
damdred - has a non-lazy meta read on me as opposed to marv. pushing thread in productive direction and correcting others for misrepresenting people's arguments. town pile
*batsnacks - someone (look up later) said batsnacks has been playing differently. seems like same town batsnacks to me. could have bad read on him. town pile*
SL - bizarre play. seemed to be trying to defuse me and drH arguing early, has weird interaction where he demands i have a read on him, when i don't. formulates a bunch of random thoughts in regards to me not remembering previous game. no idea what he is talking about in the slightest. none of his other reads are formulated in a coherent way, done nothing townie. mafia pile
vivax - no post
*kels - evolving reads, when i was mafia last game with him had static reads that didn't change much of the game, currently his reads seem more fluid, probably town or got better at mafia. this was the guy who said bats playing differently, watch that read. town pile*
ritoky - town jesus
drH - guy contradicting himself all over the place. stupid policy crap, doesn't follow through. forgotten about it entirely at this point. no idea what he is doing. dumpster case on chyz, pot calling kettle black. calling out for hypocrisy not because he is actually scum. has largest filter, probably town unfortunately. is most likely donkey, be wary of his reads they may be bad. town pile
eden - town town town. giving reads unprovoked, not folding when pressured, commenting when unsolicited. seems invested in reads makes very good point about the timing of chyz's post and people exploiting it to get a read on chyz even though the situation had kinda already defused itself. town pile
*rebirth - "i'm here guys! notice me senpai!" into nothing. scum pile for now*
superbia - no post Forcing yourself to have a read on people that are null is pretty dumb and I have no idea why you consider me being torn on Chyz when there's been so many words on him scummy. Can you explain that to me? I also have no idea why you think that geript quote is super town. Whyo do you feel JAT is "bleeding town out of every orifice"? JAT has completely ransacked a bunch of good town players in one game and I haven't seen anything from him that I think he's incapable of doing as mafia. Why is Robik on the town pile when your reads state nothing townie about him other than a vague promise, and why is RoL scum for saying the exact same thing? Dr. H, your wall of texts tend to K.O. me. Could you run the most important points by me as brief as possible? forcing myself to place people in a definitive pile in my notes is more beneficial for me; particularly on day 1. i think most people should take definitive stances on players personally. the prevalence of null reads being seen as okay only allows mafia to hide better by giving them frequently and ignoring partners. as for you being torn on chyz, i was quoting your post: On January 01 2015 02:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:22 geript wrote:
@Artanis. What do you think of sicklucker, Eden and Kelsier? I think those are the best overall flips. Ritoky could maybe be tossed in there too.
Do you disagree with the following: Artanis, DrH, Chyz, Damdred I feel like I'm forgetting someone from this list but oh well. Missed this post earlier. I'd remove Chyz. I'm really torn on him right now. I think Eden is also likely town for prying into every little hole, though I haven't seen him play scum so I'm not sure if he does the same as scum but it fits his town meta even if the bit about Dr.H in the start was a bit weird. I definitely don't want to lynch him D1 in any case. I haven't paid much attention to sicklucker, and I like Kelsier for how he's been pressuring people and asking questions. Here's you stating you're torn on chyz and want geript to remove him from his town list. i see since you have moved on to placing geript as your top scum, will be interested in how you went from talking to him like he is pretty town right here to voting for him as scum when i get there in the thread. as for the read on geript. there's something really town about him electing to withhold information there when he is under pressure. like someone is prying into him for information and rather than be like "here you go to appease you" he tells the person to piss off and he will deliver it later. haven't caught up, don't know if he has. if he hasn't delivered then that's a probelm; if he has then he is town. re: JAT, he is town. read his filter, if you can't see why it is plain as day he is town then you're reading a different thread than i am. i think no one in the entire game is more town than JAT. i think i have only played with him once when he was mafia and like 4x when he was town. the 1 time he was mafia was really apparent based on his voting record. robik i am willing to wait a day on because i respect his aggro play as town, it makes an environment that is hard for scum to thrive in. he promises, if he doesn't deliver he dies tomorrow. plain and simple. i have some hesitations because he is doing a lot of reacting instead of acting which isn't his town style, but i am willing to hold off 1 day. you're misrepresenting my reads if you think my RoL read is the same: On January 01 2015 09:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
alrighty then. I apparently missed my role PM just got it. Hi everyone. Let me go catch up to the apparent 25 pages of most likely nonsense that has been posted. this post is a complete mafia lurker prototypical post. "hi i am here, everyone notice me for a second then forget about me, i am behind in pages that is why i am not doing well, will deliver on it later! also i don't have much time!" people who post like this especially early (that aren't named GB) never deliver the goods and usually squeak into the late phases of the game as mafia. I don't change my tone unless prompted when talking to my suspects. Geript remained civilized through the conduct and thus so did I. I find your reasoning pretty thin. You're inferring a lot from quite little with RoL and Robik and you're not being very specific with JAT. Maybe you can read him better than I can, or you haven't seen his Mafia A-game yet. I think you believe what you're saying though so I don't want to lynch you today. if you actually have that much control over your tone, that's a bit scary. and what reasoning is thin? gotta be more specific, and show me what "thick" reasoning on day 1 would look like. my read on robik is primarily from my personal value of him when he is town. i think he is great as aggro town, if you don't agree, meh don't care. RoL's only post is a prototypical mafia lurker post, it's not like i have a wealth of information to read him from and i am specifically not doing null reads in my notes. as for JAT, show me why he isn't town.
I don't get angry without reason. I don't see a reason to get angry because I suspect someone is scum. It's their goal to try and stay hidden. As for "thick" reasoning, an example would be the point I made on Koshi. It's a concrete point that makes sense.
What posts on Robik did you find that indicate him to be town to you? You say he's great as aggro town, but I haven't seen any aggression from him yet. I just don't understand how you can read him as town based on what he posted at the time of your post.
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On January 03 2015 03:51 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 03:49 Vivax wrote:On January 03 2015 03:46 justanothertownie wrote:On January 03 2015 03:43 Vivax wrote:On January 03 2015 03:40 justanothertownie wrote:
Vivax attacks me for voting geript instead of someone else when I wasn't sure about him. Then I attack batsnacks who I have a stronger scumread on and get him lynched. Now Vivax attacks me for this.
None of this makes any fucking sense. You jumped onto the geript wagon for no other reason that he had more votes. You didn't attempt to move people to ritoky or lazer, or bats. Only after being on the geript wagon for as you claim, no strong reason, you initiated a counterpush on bats only. Later you apparently found reasons to vote geript out of spite and cause he was voting me but didn't although you said you intended to. A guy you never found suspicious up until that point suddenly became suspicious but not enough for you to vote. Why? Cause you knew bats was going to flip town imo. Will you finally stop lying? A guy I never found suspicious?! Why does it matter if I votde geript before starting my counterpush or not? There were 2 wagons and I put my vote on the wagon I thought was better. Case closed. I'm not lying, I even quoted the part where you said that geript acting like a donkey might be townie, which is just before the votecount where you decide to pile onto him instead of say, Lazermonkey, or ritoky. Yes, I said that. After saying multiple times that I thought he was scummy. There was no wagon on Lazermonkey or Ritoky at the time. There were 2 wagons. Chyz and geript.
Then why did you try so hard to move people onto the bats wagon if a geript lynch would have sufficed according to what you say now?
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On January 03 2015 03:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 03:51 justanothertownie wrote:On January 03 2015 03:49 Vivax wrote:On January 03 2015 03:46 justanothertownie wrote:On January 03 2015 03:43 Vivax wrote:On January 03 2015 03:40 justanothertownie wrote:
Vivax attacks me for voting geript instead of someone else when I wasn't sure about him. Then I attack batsnacks who I have a stronger scumread on and get him lynched. Now Vivax attacks me for this.
None of this makes any fucking sense. You jumped onto the geript wagon for no other reason that he had more votes. You didn't attempt to move people to ritoky or lazer, or bats. Only after being on the geript wagon for as you claim, no strong reason, you initiated a counterpush on bats only. Later you apparently found reasons to vote geript out of spite and cause he was voting me but didn't although you said you intended to. A guy you never found suspicious up until that point suddenly became suspicious but not enough for you to vote. Why? Cause you knew bats was going to flip town imo. Will you finally stop lying? A guy I never found suspicious?! Why does it matter if I votde geript before starting my counterpush or not? There were 2 wagons and I put my vote on the wagon I thought was better. Case closed. I'm not lying, I even quoted the part where you said that geript acting like a donkey might be townie, which is just before the votecount where you decide to pile onto him instead of say, Lazermonkey, or ritoky. Yes, I said that. After saying multiple times that I thought he was scummy. There was no wagon on Lazermonkey or Ritoky at the time. There were 2 wagons. Chyz and geript. Then why did you try so hard to move people onto the bats wagon if a geript lynch would have sufficed according to what you say now?
Because I had a stronger scumread on batsnacks maybe? Are you dense?!
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Like, you're on a wagon.
"OH HEY I'M ON A WAGON AGAINST A SCUMMY DUDE"
"LET'S START LISTING ALL THE REASONS FOR WHY BATS IS SCUM, and enjoy the wagon when people get onto it"
"OH HEY GERIPT IS DOING SCUMMY STUFF AGAIN, no comment on bats"
"I'M TEMPTED TO SWITCH TO GERIPT BUT I WON'T"
"OH SHIT SORRY GUISE, I ALMOST SWITCHED"
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Like now I have to try and read geript. I almost want to policy lynch him for posting what I perceived to be a baby seals pic.
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