EPTTL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells
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Ritoky townread for attacking people that think Alakaslam is possible scum. The reason this is towny is because ritoky is lost without his Alakaslam read. And is using this 1 read he has to create more reads. Also his stuff on Lightening is superb. Kelsier townread for the batsnacks thing. And the rsoultin read. Templar is paying attention. Alakaslam keeps slipping that he is a ghost. Probably is. Damdred actually understands wtf Kelsier was talking about in the post with hts and nb duds. Must be reading the thread. Holyflare is doing some minor positive things. However, I don’t understand why he protects hts against Kelsier. I don’t understands why he doesn’t push GB after making that observation. GlowingBear ignored HF when HF called him out. Instead GB asked an incredible dumb question to Damdred. Started the game with drawing attention to him twice. Need to check meta if that is alignment indicative, scum tends to not do that. But meh. Half the Sky is not reading and thinking, Kelsier was painfully obvious talking about her. Looks like scum being paralyzed by the pressure of replying, and tried to brush the pressure of with the “I know nothing I am from Barcelona” reply. Also, who replies with: “I am also town” at the start of the game. Town shows paranoia early game. Scum doesn’t. LighteningStrike his list shows that LS is good at knowing who the thread thinks is town. He made a mistake putting OWS on his townlist. FF as well. The mistake is made because he is scum wanting to “contribute” and not only rehearse what is in the thread. Anyway, his townlist was made so that people would like him. 27ninjabunnies is posting horrendous. Please shape up. I can’t even blame people having her as only scumread because her posting is so scummy. Is playing scum 101. People who have experience playing the game would only play this scummy as town not paying attention to their own scumminess. I would still lynch her as a policy lynch. Not acceptable play. Obiwan might be scum that didn't want to do nothing and then decided to pretend that he was doing something. Sadly for him his pretendcontribution claimed town and now scumObiwan ist just in idgaf doing nothing mode. Both kita & Vivax going solely after 27nb bores me. | ||
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By claiming joyful Templar verified this: On December 09 2014 11:48 sicklucker wrote: Oh shit. Ya I missed that part I was fishing and trolling for info on who the other Joyful Child were because I figured only we knew presents were in the game because I missed that part. I thought damdred and gb were the other two, I still kinda think they are oh well. Who wants a present. Ok so we all know theres 3 presents in the game. But what I know is that its the Joyful Child role that has these presents. No one else can be sure of this as its not said in the description. But Damdred and gb sent out little tells that told me they were this role.I might have been wrong so ill reread it later but I think their the other giftgivers and therefore town. Also Ive been up 20 hours and dont rly feel like playing much right now but the insomnia might have kicked in. So can the third joyful claim asap and confirm the bolded. 3 confirmed town is ezpz. | ||
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Could you explain to the people who were not in Campus mafia, why you are towreading OWS and FF? As town you should help others to form reads as well. It is not useful for us that you have a bunch of "I once played with this guy and after 5 posts in this game I can already see he plays similar to that one time I played with his so my conclusion is he is town". Reads like this doesn't convince me that OWS and FF are town. It doesn't convince anybody and just makes you look bad. So can you spend 5-10 lines on why OWS and FF their play are similar to Campus mafia. And then add another 5 lines on why it is impossible that OWS and FF are mimicking their townplay as scum. Because I have played a ton of games with OWS already and the way he is playing atm he can easily pull off as scum. | ||
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On December 09 2014 23:29 GlowingBear wrote: Koshi, why Templar "paying attention" is something so relevant to you? Second time you ask me about my Templar read. Why? Is Templar not paying attention to the thread? If you think I made a mistake as scum for typing "Templar is paying attention" I would like to hear your thought process behind that idea. Really, you are focusing on the most ridiculous things. | ||
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On December 09 2014 23:45 LightningStrike wrote: FF had a similar opening of trolling a tiny bit but he steering away from that asking some decent questions which he did also in Campus Mafia. FF as town does this type of behavior as seen here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?user=FecalFeast He feels townie too this game in my opinion with the way he questioning stuff after the trolling. OWS I might just be bias here but he had to replace KSC who acted scummy counter claiming my cop claim and he tried his best to make a town image in that game. I know he not posting a lot but I will look foward to seeing him post more to confirm my read plus it his play style as seen on Russia Today http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471815-russia-today-mini-mafia?user=ObiWanShinobi I stand firm on them being because their play styles is very similar currently are similar to their town style of play at the moment as seen in their filters of their town games I linked to their filter so I don't think they can be scum this game if they posted similar to their town play style that all I can say. Thx. You sound sincere. Good stuff. | ||
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On December 10 2014 00:01 GlowingBear wrote: Whoops text and drive isn't only dangerous, but also makes incomprehensible texts. "That's why I want to understand why Templar paying attention is something memorable to you" I guess I could have spend more words on The Templar. He was the first to combine some thread actions into one post. He didn't do anything that made me frown later on so I didn't revisit him and didn't add any more words behind his name. I don't understand why you are still spending your time on this. Something about me putting Templar on my list because people not on my list look bad? I don't want Templar to look bad because I am his scumbuddy? Dafuq. Really. Dafuq. Templar obviously looks okish in my eyes. Not lynchable D1. On December 10 2014 00:10 Tubesock wrote: Holy Moses. I didn't think I was such a slow reader but it's been hours and I feel I will never catch up to the thread while taking notes also. I'm trying to get reads, but they are conflicting with people who I feel are pretty freaking smart sounding. Namely, Koshi and Xata. Koshi, since you are here can you tell me more about your HTS read? I feel I'm fairly null/town on her. Namely, I believe that Froggy's plynch statement isn't meaningful. Bunny latches and basically posts it's probably bad but she thinks it's ok. Then scum lists Froggy. Then several people jump on her and later Dam asks HTS about the Froggy/plynch read. HTS replies that it's null on his part but Bunnies scum listing is scummy. HTS doesn't seem to scumlist Froggy. Then a bunch more people argue (kelsierSC, Bats, Viv others). I'd like to know why I should elevate the signifigance of HTS's reads and downplay Bunny's? Also I think people should read this more closely from the OP: It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0. Which makes me wonder why we had a Scrooge claim?? It makes me wonder if any claims will matter as we can have multiples...so why not counterclaim? Going to start with the easiest: Palmar didn't rng his set-up. He made a set-up based on the amount of people playing this game. He choose how many of each powerrole exist in this game, but this information is not known to the players. This is a normal game, don't expect crazy things. About Sky & 27nb: From what I can see 27nb is playing pretty scummy. You can read HF/Vivax/Kita their reasoning to get an idea why. I am conflicted about 27nb because it seems a bit too scummy to be scum. But Vivax rightfully points out that if it smells like scum & talks like scum, it could very well be scum. Sky her posting style is confusing like hell. It might be because she is new to the game. She starts out calling 27nb "also town" which is not smart to do. But then after reading the thread she agrees with HF that 27nb looks scummy. But then she somewhat reproduces 27nb vision on froggy (I read this somewhere) but still calls 27nb scum: On December 09 2014 09:21 Half the Sky wrote: Damdred, once I read that, I've put her in scumpile for now. Froggy's post to me is a null, although that sentence is contradictory. I think he was trying to say that policy lynches are stupid in comparison to a scum lynch, and then he says "in the absence of a decent slip." Though poorly worded, I can still understand him and I believe he was the one who said before the game that he was returning here after 2 years ago or something, so I wouldn't blame him for saying that. I cannot comment on how things were 2 years ago as I wasn't around then. What I Vivax's post is also null to me. Again very straightforward, I don't see any reason to sort him either way. And then she ends with calling Vivax null. While I found Vivax his suspicion on 27nb easier to read and more convincing than Holyflare his suspicion on 27nb. It just looks messy. I don't know if she is scum though. Might just have had a bad start like she claims now in her newest post. | ||
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On December 10 2014 00:52 sicklucker wrote: Also Gb just said hes a role for no reason. Wtf man do not open that present. As a present owner. You should know that you don't know what present you hold. So why did you think that Gb his present is bad? | ||
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On December 10 2014 02:07 27ninjabunnies wrote: I'm laughing so hard right now. Like so hard. I love the votes on me, I really do. Im doing a bit of rereading, but I won't br able to make a huge post until after my final today. That being said, I noticed some things after I left for my date (which went amazing btw. I got serenaded. So fucking hot) So people were curious as to why I put 2/3 town who were jumping on the froggy scum thing. That's because I was reading then town for posts they said that werent in regards to froggy at all. The reason I put froggy as iffy was because, 1. I said his post wasnt alignment indicative, but that doesnt mean I have a read on him. He hadnt said anything else up to the point I posted my reads, so I put him as iffy for not having a read. Im only up to page 21, so I have a long way to go, but Ill try and read through quick and posts thoughts along the way. If you have questions for me Ill be more than happy to answer. Keep in mind you are lynching a town here. Im hoping to be able to redeem myself. To victory boys and girls! 1) You are getting lynched and you don't have time to defend yourself. hahaha hilarious. Not. 2) You are doing some rereading. You left on page 19 and claim to be on page 21 atm. Rereading? How? What? Things town don't do when they see they have 9 votes on themselves: reread 10 pages they already read and 2 fresh ones. Things town do when they see when they have 9 votes on themselves: Read why they have 9 votes on themselves and try to get caught up. 3) Froggy has 1 post. So while you say that this 1 post is not alignment indicative, you still find him iffy from this not alignment indicative post. That is bullshit. "Froggy, the guy who made 1 post that was not alignment indicative at all is scummy." The italic part is such bullshit. I hope you are scum grasping at straws and not town being oblivious. You defend yourself claiming that you really had a scumread on somebody while reading his 1 post as non-alignment indicative. AT THE SAME TIME. ##unvote ##vote: 27ninjabunnies The only way I am moving my vote is if you read the thread and solve the game. Which wont happen given your recent posting. | ||
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Ritoky, it seems like you are forcing your Fecal read. Exaggerating things. Your case reads so melodramatic. | ||
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On December 10 2014 12:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Can someone explain the nb votes to me like I'm dumb? I feel like I missed something but I don't know what that is. I can't remember the points against her being spectacular in the first place. Also kind of weirded out by the fact that Koshi apparently knows my meta now. His read on me is generally inaccurate/based on me posting big meaty posts, so having him come out and say "OWS is useless and could be scum" when he loves to give me tons of leeway is strange. I tend to babysit people more in smaller games. This game. Not so much. 27nb claimed Mason (Carol Singer) She is town unless there is no Mason group at all. | ||
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Well. I will need to read stuff more in detail later. Ritoky 27nb Vivax Xatalos kushm4sta Half The Sky Interesting people. | ||
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On December 10 2014 18:21 LoneMeow wrote: I could lynch this guy. First posts a large amount of mostly oneliners that aren't pertinent to finding scum, then says he's near the post limit so he's going to lurk. So anti town. ##Vote: Fecalfeast Anti town play as town or as scum? How do you know he is scum for sure? | ||
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On December 10 2014 18:32 LoneMeow wrote: If he's actively being anti town as town that's playing against his win condition, isn't it? There's also the rest of his play which to me does not make sense for a townie. Why would he not go back on 27ninjabunnies after the "claim" turned out not to be a claim after all? Nobody else does as well. Dnu, you might be right. It just looks a bit thin. I will look into ff as well. Just busy atm. Today. Meh. | ||
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Ritoky Kush I am happy to lynch any of these 3. I got around 10 townreads or people I won't lynch. Then another 5 I wouldn't lynch for no real reason. Then some people I don't bother reading currently like, FF/bats/Tube/HTS/GB/liancourt/rsoultin. Those people. I think I am somewhat happy for today. | ||
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 " between all the bad posts. How can she likes Vivax his read on me? His read is that my read on 27nb looks like mafia defending mafia. 27nb likes that read?????? How the fuck. | ||
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On December 10 2014 08:11 27ninjabunnies wrote: 2. Rereading, as in I'm reading the pages that I have missed. Sorry. I'm not a grammar nazi. 3. Yes, froggy has one post.. It isn't alignment indicative to me. I find him iffy because he only had 1 post. I havent read anything he may or may not have done since then. I'm sure my reads will change by the time I catch up. I never called him scum. I called him iffy. Iffy for me is I don't have a read either way. People to look at on my list is more scum than iffy on my list. #Koshi is actually stupid this game, and should learn how to read me. The only way I'll retract that statement is if you learn to read what I mean, and actually find mafia instead of lynching a town. This is why 27nb is impossible to take serious. On December 10 2014 02:07 27ninjabunnies wrote: I love the votes on me, I really do. Im doing a bit of rereading, but I won't br able to make a huge post until after my final today. Im only up to page 21, so I have a long way to go, Rereading = reading new pages BUT SHE FUCKING LEFT ON PAGE 19 AND THEN SAID SHE WAS ON PAGE 21. SO SHE WAS "REREADING" 2 PAGES. Why can't she just say "I read 2 pages". No, she goes with the "I am doing a bit of rereading." [Q] Is this scummy or just annoying? [A] Well, It is for sure fucking annoying. It might be a scummer spouting nonsense and failing to make it comprehensible for others. 3. iffy = non alignment indicative = can go either way The word iffy also changed meaning, pretty sure the iffy people were scummy people before. #Koshi is actually stupid this game, and should learn how to read me. 10 votes on her and is adhomming me. I get townreads all around and she gets scumreads all around. Really. Good job 27nb. Good play. To victory boys and girls! | ||
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On December 10 2014 23:53 Xatalos wrote: Kush and ritoky seem more like null. Haven't looked at them closely though Anybody who believes Kush really thought he was scum because he had a red name and posted it in the thread cuz he couldn't care less is naive. Kush doesn't trow games as scum. He does ridiculous play as scum a lot. (Sometimes as town.) But he is not going to tell the thread he got a red role for shits and giggles. He knew something. Ritoky isn't doing jack-all. He is focussing on 1 person while he is a capable player and can easily focus on multiple people. I don't have the feeling Ritoky is looking at the bigger picture this game. But he is so sure about his 1 read. I find that odd. Very odd. If we don't lynch Ritoky he isn't a bad copcheck. Or shoot him. Depending on the afker. On December 10 2014 23:51 Xatalos wrote: Koshi you don't want to lynch OWS btw? Not today. | ||
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1. Happy all the time 2. Threatening to roleclaim because she is receiving too much pressure. She knows roleclaiming is bad for town. It should be a last resort. When everything else failed. Her tone should somewhat change during the last time she was here. But she still ended with memes and "I love this guy". 1. Saying "there is enough time for me to solve this game, I am going to do it!!!" 2. After reading "I got nothing" What did 27nb give us? Something about Kelsier. blegh. Talk about not being able to change your reads at all. He was from the start under the iffy people. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2014 08:31 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, some things I'm going to point out. TS asked me about reads on KelsierSc and Vivax. Let's start out with Kelsier I had a "Look at kelsier" reminder in my list because somethings seemed off to me. Looking through the filter, most of the beginning posts were joke posts. Kelsier goes from that to this Kelsier wasn't specifically defending me, but was saying that he understood exactly what I was saying about Froggy, yet then completely goes to agree with HF moments later when I get pressured. what is that?! Everything else Kelsier has said makes no sense to me. It seems like he is just throwing out random one liners and baseless reads to be read as town. the only remotely thing that makes some kind of sense is the read on bats when he supposedly pinged out HTS for something said, and the read on Oats, both of which I'm going to have to look more into to get a better read on where Kelsier's mind is at. As of now, I'd prob lynch Kelsier. Vivax- after reading through his filter seems really town to me. Actually probably one of my top towns at the moment. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=40#791 This post explain why. I think I've explained why I put Froggy as iffy, vivax, at that time. What do you think? Also, In that post you mention you don't like Koshi, or more so he's freaking you out. Can you go a little bit more into Koshi, and what kind of read you've made on him since that post? What is this case? Something about Kelsier agreeing with the case from HF? Something 8 other people did as well? And then something about random oneliners and reads that are made to look town. MUCH ACCURATE. VERY CONVINCING. WOW. Can somebody tell me she got a point? What baseless reads? What oneliners? Why are they fake reads by Kelsier to he could look town. Convince me. 1. Roleclaiming. 2. Retracting as soon as somebody says. Are you roleclaiming? We call this "scum who is fishing for blues." | ||
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Please spend time talking about 27nb. Look at her filter. Look at what she says make sense. Convince me she is town. Even if you don't believe it yourself. Can somebody make a towncase on her? | ||
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On December 11 2014 00:33 KelsierSC wrote: Some of the people voting on her are a bit suspect in my eyes. Like tubesocks ,weird voting pattern, and HTS Your point being? You don't have a clue who is scum and who isn't. Do you think there would be a wagon on somebody with 10 votes you wouldn't find 1 person suspicious on? This is mafia. Everybody could be scum. Of course you are not going to like everybody on a 10 person wagon. Bad reason. Why are you not voting for Tube or HTS? On December 11 2014 00:39 Alakaslam wrote: She certainly did not mind posting and drawing attention Hello But I would have thought HF knew what he was doing. I have rescinded that. Chupazi, she had 9 people feasting on her corpse. She had to post and do stuff. Are you impressed with the stuff she did? I am not. Like... What she did could be town trying to avoid misslynch or scum avoiding lynch. The entire Mason claim stunt was pretty desperate mafia stuff. | ||
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If you can proof to me that OWS has a meta in which he is never less useful as town D1 I will revisit him for today. But you cant'. So stop being dumb. Thx. | ||
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On December 11 2014 04:11 KelsierSC wrote: So when nb said "i could just claim" i was pretty fucking mad about that but reading it now. Either she is a role or scum right, saying that as vt is just really anti town Imo. for that reason i don't think she should be the lynch d1 and we should focus other targets now and see exactly what play nb makes d2. Interested to hear more thoughts on my ff read. I am leaning too heavy on scum. Tell me why she might be town. Using her filter. | ||
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On December 11 2014 04:15 KelsierSC wrote: I can't but she did basically claim a role and I think we get more information if we look elsewhere today and see what nb does d2 Sorry. But that is a ridiculous bad idea. Scum tends to claim roles to survive. The somewhat smart ones at least. There is no drawback when you are getting lycned. Either she is scum and will claim RB. Or she is town and will be RB. There is no new information tomorrow. And I am not leaving her alive so that if she is town she might eat a RB. | ||
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I don't see that anywhere. I see some valid cases on other people. But I don't see why they are a better lynch. | ||
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Kush is more pro-town. | ||
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On December 11 2014 07:23 Fecalfeast wrote: I've been getting a scum tone from you but I've never played with you before. What makes kush pro-town? Learn to read. | ||
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On December 11 2014 07:26 sicklucker wrote: I think the kush thing will sort itself out tonight. I dont think mafia can ignore him if hes town. So if hes alive id be very worried. Arnold should just shoot Kush. If you believe he is Scrooge you are naive. He is scum. Kill him. | ||
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On December 11 2014 07:30 batsnacks wrote: If kush is scum then ritoky is scum too: ritoky (1): You are a smart man batsnacks. | ||
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Kush is 100% useless. Just vigi him. You don't have a better target. | ||
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On December 11 2014 08:33 Trfel wrote: Ok, this isn't working out. What are some good strategies to effectively playing in a Mafia game that is this long, and has this many players? A lot of filter reading and note-taking, or what? Focus on a couple people that you know. Or some reads you trust. And go from there. | ||
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If I am alive tomorrow I will catch up. | ||
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Thx hosts. Perfect game. | ||
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How many of these disgruntled workers were there? That branch manager was just another vigi like this. Scum had 2 vigis. Interesting. I thought the workers had to claim before they would be able to be shot. Not... Strange stuff. | ||
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On December 24 2014 03:20 marvellosity wrote: what happened was that i originally made the branch manager role to kill claimed millers. But then Palmar decided it could be shot any time and just lose the bullet if they missed, and didn't update the wording i'd written for branch manager. there were 3 disgruntled workers total, one got lynched d1, kita was the other that got factional killed, so essentially mafia had a 1/20 shot in hitting the remaining disgruntled worker (you) and they hit it. Very nice for them. I liked your idea better. Punishes bad play (claims) instead of rewarding luck. | ||
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