EPTTL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells
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On December 06 2014 17:54 Q-bert-Z wrote: Please tell me this is 60-80 posts per day for everyone combined. That would make an interesting game. I think there was a game (twiter) that there was a much harder cap it sounds fun in practice but looked kinda painful | ||
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Haha role 1 don't lynch longest filter d1 | ||
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On December 09 2014 04:50 Fecalfeast wrote: Why are you asking templar what he thinks? What do you think? I obviously have no thoughts or feelings and am just faking interactions to be doing so | ||
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Question if you claim disgruntled worker and guess santa correctly at night will that take precedence over the shot of the branch manager? Also i take it the bullets from the branch manager will kill someone even if they fake claim that role? | ||
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On December 09 2014 07:36 Vivax wrote: Protip for anyonewho didn't play a Palmar game: NEVER POST AFTER A DEADLINE, no matter what happens, you will get modkilled. Yes please don't get yourself mod killed Palmar is a great mod and is a hard ass about this stuff | ||
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On December 09 2014 07:38 Palmar wrote: Well you claim and stop being a miller, but you also die from the shot, so I don't see the point. No they won't. He can only fire his staff, not people pretending to be his staff. I guess i was thinking with my first question since you stop being a miller then you are off his staff I suppose. But thanks | ||
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Admitted before the game that he would fix the rng! We must not follow this | ||
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On December 09 2014 08:20 froggynoddy wrote: Gogogo. RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking. On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options. -5 town points for this post, going into the bad boy category tonight ##Unvote Templar Story shows awesomeness | ||
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Froggynoddy is in scum pile Bats I thought you weren't goin to make the opening salvo? | ||
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On December 09 2014 08:27 KelsierSC wrote: i like how you can already split your town and tentative town Cause i'm comfortable puttinng hf rit and templar into a pile, slam is slam so i'm not comfortable putting him with my other new town toys yet. On December 09 2014 08:27 27ninjabunnies wrote: Curious on your thought process here hun. What did Froggy do, or not do, to be put into your scum pile? Cause he made a pretty bad post that boiled down to, lets agree lynching lurkers is a bad thing but i'd be ok with lynching lurkers. | ||
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On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote: @ Slam @ Damdred Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves. And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post? While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that. And then he posts again pretty soon after i did my unvote post that mirror'd my own thought about a post. Maybe you missed it but HF has made more than that one post. Perhaps, doesn't mean i shouldn't scum read him for having doublespeak in stuff | ||
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On December 09 2014 08:44 Fecalfeast wrote: Grab the sumo suits, I'm down for a rumble. Why are you wasting posts trying to get people to talk about you wasting posts? Why with everything going on do you not comment on it and instead only post about a joke and focus on fighting slam? | ||
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On December 09 2014 08:35 Vivax wrote: What froggy said is simple common sense but also something that never matters cause at the end of the day it's mostly some scummy looking person getting lynched. I don't see it as scummy, just as something useless to talk about which isn't scummy at this stage of the game. The biggest accusation you could make is that he's so serious in a setting where people are kinda joking, but that's not enough to go with in my book. It's more like he's annoyed that people are discussing policies when in past games it always led to that statement of his making the most sense. Null for me. I don't like this post at all. Like i might like it less than frogs post | ||
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On December 09 2014 08:54 Vivax wrote: Why? It's my opinion that stands against yours, with all reasons given for it. Please give your reason for finding this scummy. 3/60 I'm glad that you came back Viv, you were strangely quiet after making a very wordy post that ended up in a null. Basically my problem with this post is that you give him a scenario which isn't really true at all. Nobody had discussed policy lynching (besides the lolrng) and nobody had even brought up lurkers until his post. The whole post feels kind of off to me. | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:03 Half the Sky wrote: I don't lol, that was mainly an introduction to her saying possible other girls. I read her first post, and then just now stumbled into the whole discussion of her comment on lurkers and such that is being debated right now. Now I had to read all those posts a few times, but I can see where Holyflare is coming from. Slam, no you are not creepy. So what is your conclussion? Do you think 27nb is town still even though you understand where HF is coming from? Or are you leaning a different way now? Also talk about 27nb list post some if you can. What do you make of the froggy post and vivax? | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:18 Vivax wrote: Well he got to the lurker topic through the rng topic, saying it would produce content which is good against lurkers. It is a very generic post that does however fit into the context of town starting discussion and posting unseriously, so I don't want to judge it as scummy, if I were asked about lurker lynching I would reach the same conclusion. Your point that he starts talking about it spontaneously without lurker lynches being discussed still fits into the context in my opinion: One quick post before going to bed with some opinion on policy lynching, at the start of the game. So no, I won't scumread him for it. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Things I find more interesting: 27nb putting froggy into the iffy pile after saying she didn't find his post alignment indicative. This happens after suspicion piles onto her. Deffo scummy cause seems like a way of aligning her reads with the guys suspecting her in some attempt to look less scummy cause of her deviant opinion. Number 2: Ritoky attacks the post in discussion in a...passive way but doesn't actually try to draw conclusions from it in later posts, or take part in the discussion revolving around that post, this suggests he doesn't try to get alignment indicative information from the game. Ok I can understand where you are coming from with the post directed at me and I can see your train of thought and reasons. I will give you a town point for it. Onto the rest of your post I like the points on 27nb, i laughed when i read the list. The ritoky part is a good point, you get a town point for that as well. Do you think this is alignment indicative of Ritoky? What do you think of bats currently (only one post here I believe and a vote laer in the voting thread) do you think its in line with his town/scum meta? Or don't want to jump in that rabbit hole. | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:21 Half the Sky wrote: Damdred, once I read that, I've put her in scumpile for now. Froggy's post to me is a null, although that sentence is contradictory. I think he was trying to say that policy lynches are stupid in comparison to a scum lynch, and then he says "in the absence of a decent slip." Though poorly worded, I can still understand him and I believe he was the one who said before the game that he was returning here after 2 years ago or something, so I wouldn't blame him for saying that. I cannot comment on how things were 2 years ago as I wasn't around then. What I Vivax's post is also null to me. Again very straightforward, I don't see any reason to sort him either way. Do you have any other reads going on right now on the active people? 15 or 16/80 teehee | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:25 GlowingBear wrote: Oh hai I'm town GB just claimed scum | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:25 Half the Sky wrote: Damdred, regarding the list post...honestly that's a lot of reads for this early D1. For now though, take what I say on that with a grain of salt because I have not looked at too many of the people's posts she listed except Templar's story, etc. I mean calling Kita iffy for just saying hey? Hmmmm....what is the norm for him? That seems odd at face value, and not knowing him at all. I couldn't give you kitas meta or try to if i wanted. I've only played one game with him so not sure. Why do you not want your opinions to lead town? What are some of your other reads so far? | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:31 batsnacks wrote: HTS is looking awful There is no way she: 1. agrees with HF 2. thinks froggy is null 3. thinks bunnies is scummy 4. agrees with what bunnies said This post is bad, bats is probably scum | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:34 KelsierSC wrote: Bats is town Tell me why | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:35 GlowingBear wrote: Nope because I didn't read anything from the thread. Because I'm bored. Do you? I am town GB, but i am unable to give you a present currently if you are good i can share one of my many toys later on as when i was a child i was taught to share if i get one that is. You should really read the thread and are you blue gb seirously/ | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:37 batsnacks wrote: What's bad about it damdred, that's actually what HTS believes? Is vivax scum then? He agrees with bunnies onsomething frogs post is probably Null He agrees with HF on things He things bunnies is scum Not sure what you even try to accomplish with this as several people in the thread have this stance | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:40 KelsierSC wrote: Dam , think his points about hts are dead on. Feels like town So scum can't point things out that are really null? Bats pointed out 4 things and said someone looked horrible for it when other people have near the same stance. So why such a easy town pass for bats | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:48 ritoky wrote: plenty of summary information, and not a whole lot of pushing your scum reads/leaning scum reads. this also seems like a bit too defensive of a response especially considering who is criticizing you So ritoky, what do you think about what vivax said about you? Why aren't you pushing your scum reads really? | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:49 KelsierSC wrote: yeh people always say that but he analysed what she was saying and pointed out flaws, no one else did that and that is good d1 town play. I also dont like hts so Why don't you like hts (my posts are getting ate up this makes me sad) | ||
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Town: HF Slam Vivax Tentative town: Templars Ritoky Kel Null: GB FF HTS Leaning SCUM: Froggy Bats 27NB SL | ||
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On December 09 2014 10:47 KelsierSC wrote: It isn't false though. Hts and nb dud agree, hts due then call nb scummy. the instant gut reaction is that , that is scummy. Bats had that reaction, i had the same reaction. if you analyse deeper then yeh it doesn't make hts scummy for that reason at least. But does it make bats scum? Not in my eyes I think we have a different interpretation of events,HTS will have to clarify and go into greater detail her agreement with NB. However I will say that you can agree with someone who is acting scummy that something is null (read on frog) and it totally not be alignment indicative. Like a few games ago I rolled scum and posted town reads null reads etc., town GB runs up and be like I AGREE WITH WHAT YOUR SAYING BUT YOU ARE SO SCUMMY CAUSE OF REASONS. Then GB votes me, this does not automatically make what GB did scummy in that situation, and it doesn't make what hts did then scummy. Agreeing with someone about a read should not totally sway our perception on if someone is scummy or not is what i'm getting at. However bats few followup responses did not look horrible at this point. RS is in my town circle today. | ||
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On December 09 2014 11:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Would lynch sicklucker. Who else would go to the flaming tree of death this day | ||
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On December 09 2014 11:48 sicklucker wrote: Oh shit. Ya I missed that part I was fishing and trolling for info on who the other Joyful Child were because I figured only we knew presents were in the game because I missed that part. I thought damdred and gb were the other two, I still kinda think they are oh well. Who wants a present. Ok so we all know theres 3 presents in the game. But what I know is that its the Joyful Child role that has these presents. No one else can be sure of this as its not said in the description. But Damdred and gb sent out little tells that told me they were this role.I might have been wrong so ill reread it later but I think their the other giftgivers and therefore town. Also Ive been up 20 hours and dont rly feel like playing much right now but the insomnia might have kicked in. SL did notice my role droppings in the thread, I applaud that. However I do not have a present to give, I think its random who gets them i'm just a named VT  . However if i get a present i might pass it to someone or open it we will see. | ||
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Obi is interesting here but i can't tell if hes being town here or lurky scum here. | ||
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votes an hour later? No reap thoughts? | ||
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I like koshi currently, I somewhat like oats. Kush is Kish again I guess probably town. Ows is being useless and data getting town reads which I'm hesitant to agree with. I actually kinda like LS right now obviously don't like loan though | ||
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On December 10 2014 02:10 Tubesock wrote: Crap, I didn't. I think he's null. Shit, I totally meant I scum 27NB for her posts that were wishy washy on Froggy but later scum lists him and continues talking about her boobs being too big for bras. I should have put quotations. Sorry, It's 3 am here and I'm fading. But can't sleep cause this stupid game is consuming me. No, I am discarding his Santa "claim" and I think I saw another but I didn't give it any credence. I need to go back and reread that. I don't think he ever made a Santa claim at all... He did make a joy claim though | ||
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kush did this stunt in the anime mafia game as town as well....so there's that | ||
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Froggy: One post said he was going to bed, the post had plenty of double speak in it and he hasn't returned and its been quite awhile (which isn't inherrintly scummy) Bats: Hes probably the least hesitant that I would be willing to lynch into. Besides a couple of posts he is completely forgettable, he misrepresented peoples posts and then was forced to play and lurked since then. FF: His posts seem to lack direction and its really difficult to even remember what all hes been doing in the thread without reading his filter. I'm not sure that I would lynch 27nb today, she has done some scummy things i'm just a bit hesitant and the follow up to her return will decide that. People i won't listen about: Damdred, SL, Templars, HF, Koshi, RS, Oats, probably LS, kush People who i love but am suspicious of Xatalos (its just so formulaic and looks so town, he once told me that hes probably mafia when he actually looks town) GB: Hasn't really read the thread yet has pretty unexplained reads tried to get people to view him as town becasue he had a present what? Unexplained scum read on templars I think even though hes claimed HTS pretty unremarkable play so far but i doubt i would lynch her, even though the posts are scattered does have a somewhat direction and train of thought. Tube: Need him to post more but he is seeming okish so far one of my top lynches is a policy lynch basically and i know that, which makes his post even more hilarious to me. | ||
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On December 10 2014 02:50 Half the Sky wrote: On the topic of policy votes, Trfel has yet to post D1. In fact his only post in his filter is his /in post. thank you for pointing this out, I don't know what to make of it but the only option we have now is lynch gb | ||
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On December 10 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote: He attacked marv last game Please look into why he was angry at someone using meta reads because it looked pretty strange to me and I don't want to spend my remaining like 20 or less posts on it with 24 hours+ left Bunnies re entry not that great cz she says she town read people for other posts and not the attack on froggy but that just means her original statement of people jumping on froggy is invalid because it's most of her town reads that's true nut we didn't really have true lurkers that game either and the one who was (Elvis) he did scum read until I replaced in. I'll take a look at it now cause something isn't sitting right with me | ||
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On December 10 2014 03:54 Xatalos wrote: I actually laughed out loud because this was such a funny suspicion :D Note that there's a post limit here so I need to reduce spam/fluff so that I won't hit the post limit long before deadline. Hint: it usually becomes clear if I'm scum or not around D2-D3. Not really worth using more posts on this topic now though. Has he not played similarly as town? His first vote in the Guilty game was on a lurker. Granted, he then went after me and rayn. But I don't see how GB is top scum from that meta point. On another note, I don't think we should lynch LS today. Well, he already basically claimed to have a role. I guess 27ninjabunnies isn't a bad lynch at this rate. It's hard to find anything towny about her other than the easy wagon. Tubesock: could you explain further HTS leaning town / null? I got the impression from your post that HTS was looking bad (or null at best) and that 27ninjabunnies was just worse. Well Xatalos you are just so overtly town I have to be suspicious of you right now its only the right answer. Besides that I figured that would be your response since we have post restrictions. You did ignore my next post where I said not to lynch you for today though. The meta on GB isn't that bad, ever since avocado mafia its something gb has followed strictly as town to the point of getting scum read for it in some situations and as mafia going against the lurker lynch to pursue higher profile people. It is not a guaranteed scum to be sure but I think its a good chance at this point. | ||
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On December 10 2014 04:10 froggynoddy wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 09 2014 08:25 Damdred wrote: Ritoky, HF, Templar are in my town pile. Slam is tentatively town Froggynoddy is in scum pile Bats I thought you weren't goin to make the opening salvo? On December 09 2014 08:23 Holyflare wrote: So what you're saying is policy lynches are terrible but if it all goes sour you want to policy lynch?? On December 09 2014 08:22 Damdred wrote: -5 town points for this post, going into the bad boy category tonight ##Unvote Templar Story shows awesomeness On December 09 2014 08:30 Damdred wrote: Cause i'm comfortable puttinng hf rit and templar into a pile, slam is slam so i'm not comfortable putting him with my other new town toys yet. Cause he made a pretty bad post that boiled down to, lets agree lynching lurkers is a bad thing but i'd be ok with lynching lurkers. Ok, perhaps I should explain things a little more simply. My statement can be broken down as follows 1. ANY policy (including lurker lynching) is bad because it stops people from scumhunting; 2. Lurking is still a valid criteria to lynch on, however it is just one of many criteria and should be given its appropriate weight; 3. It's DAY1, therefore we are not going to have much evidence/criteria to go on. Furthermore, this is a relatively large game. As such its an easy scum tactic to lurk whilst town lynches someone who is involved in the thread on very poor evidence (again because this is the nature of day 1 lynches), therefore lurking is a decent criteria to justify a lynch at this stage, just not one that warrants a policy. I shall read rest of the thread now... So much double speak in this post, i'm not sure what to make of it honestly. | ||
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On December 10 2014 04:28 KelsierSC wrote: Dam can you explain why oats is town I'm not sure that he is town but he has enough of a direction and questioning peoples motives posts and tries to push the thread i wouldn't really be interested in lynching him today unless someone put a really good case together | ||
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On December 10 2014 04:45 GlowingBear wrote: The bolded is you lying. If you really believe it, you're forcing a read based on only one scum game (Arnold). I've went to high profile people very recently as town (against marv day1 on that game I forgot the name) What are you on about GB I didn't even bring up arnold. I already explained that the game i refernced was titanic mafia the one hour game. Also your showing of a game that is against what i'm saying is not correct in the fact that the game had 0 lurkers after I subbed into the game, and bfeore i subbed in you had a light scum read on Elvis and then it went away once I started posting. So yea i'm not lying at all, and you still aren't doing anything except trying to paint things as scummy that aren't so. | ||
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On December 10 2014 04:38 Xatalos wrote: I saw that post too, I just didn't quote it. It basically had the same content anyway except saying that you'd delay that thought. Feel free to do so. As a sidenote, I kind of like your posts so far. The claim also helps. Unfortunately I don't think I can put you as sure town since I've never been that good at reading you. Hm. You might be more familiar with GB than me. I wouldn't really want to lynch him based on a meta read that isn't even from my own experience though. No xata you have always been good at reading me you just never trust yourself and give into paranoia and scum pushing if you are town. And yea i'm not sure that we should lynch GB based entirely on this piece of meta as meta reads can be a bit misleading, however we can lynch GB for not really contributing to the game not reading the game, not making any type of real push besides on someone who has claimed a role etc | ||
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On December 10 2014 04:39 froggynoddy wrote: Why do you keep saying this is doublespeak? This is not double speak fella. I think you should explain why you seem to think so as I don't think I can explain myself any better than I already have. On another note I don't like lists (apart from Santa's of course). Way too easy to appear town without actually doing anything to benefit town. FOS: Ninja (i.e. defends me without really defending - adds a list - no other content or justification) and possibly Templar (list, does no justify reads, everything posted so far is just description of other people's reads - fluff - or overreaction) Still reading... .....Becasue it is double speak. Don't policy lynch, lynching lurkers is a form of policy lynching, in a big game a good scum strategy is to lurk and they are a ok lynch? | ||
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On December 10 2014 04:48 KelsierSC wrote: I remember how he entered the thread though and it left a bad impression on me specifically the last pst which is kind of out of the blue after shit posting. Since then I haven't found anything that towny, he argued with hf about nb saying that nb didn't do anything remotely scummy. I mean if you look at the nb post, it is almost objectively scummy. The vivax discussion is actually ok and I think that angle is kind of towny but his initial entry just felt bad. I wouldn't be happy with him in my town circle at this point. I really should of combined all of my posts, i regret that now. Eh, I can sorta see where your coming from. I just don't think Oats should be lynched today, i'm historically bad at reading Oats though and always think hes a bit scummy in how he does things. I just can see the direction he is trying to go in and would be willing to give him another night/day cycle to do stuff | ||
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Its a difficult read but I just don't quite see ritoky as town in his filter. | ||
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And to answer before question, why focus on ff or ls, for instance instead of kits, vivax could be pressured by you as your times in thread have been close but ignoring has happened a bit. Your case is interesting xata pointed out something good and lack of strong stances isn't crummy alone kita | ||
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Light scrum read on 27nb I believe (could be wrong) you haven't really mentioned her return or subsequent lurking since. We both know how vivax plays scrum he deserves pressure for being so ask... You just seem to gravitate towards the easy targets and not sticking your hand into any other issues that are up which is weird for you since generally you are involved in everything as town. | ||
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Yea auto correct got me. However there wasn't much of a push by you. I am struggling with you rit, I don't think you should probably be lynched your at least trying and giving answers. | ||
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On December 11 2014 07:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Content to let koshi/kita have what they want for today. I'll leave well enough alone. This post bothers me from around deadline i'm going to reread obi i doubt i get much but this post just hits me in the wrong manner. | ||
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On December 12 2014 00:39 Half the Sky wrote: Vivax, thanks for the insight. The other thing I didn't understand was him saying Kush is pro-town, but then he turns around and says "shoot Kush" a few times or something like that. Also agreed that what you said on Bats makes sense. Damdred pointed out earlier that Bats had to backtrack on something he said earlier... Curious to see what Damdred has to say on this now, when he can. I'll have to reread bats, but he wasn't to memorable from the thread. But some of his posts did show insight, like that post you just quoted it is a bit of backtrack but he is trying to get across a complex idea which makes me hesitate on himright now. but its still early yet | ||
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2) I really wish people would of looked at my filter more and caught on especially to the ritoky thing and Xata thing especially with his response on day two onward his play didn't change and he was so mafia. 3) HF shouldn't of lived past d3, that vote d2 just showed how horribly mafia he was haha 4) Town sure did turn that around it was a great job 5) Lian was the town MVP I think | ||
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And LS you looked really towny to me | ||
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On December 23 2014 12:11 Xatalos wrote: No way you'd have been killed by scum right?  HahahaLuckily nobody looked at your reads either because of that speculation. I know right, after i died i was the most marginalized kill ever, worked for scum so well. Not even GB payed attention to it! Oh well scum played well just felt like scum were coasting a bit to the end and with higher activity probably should of won, hf almost pulled itof | ||
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You had ideas, you pushed said ideas. You didn't hide from any topics and you went about things in a town centric type way | ||
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On December 23 2014 12:44 sicklucker wrote: It was not a shot at you. Like I just thought it was really strange that they would target a claimed vt in such a big game with so many roles on n1. I did change my mind on this pretty quick like usual. haha yea, soon a i died the firs thing i thought was dammit present. Then marv told me mafia killed me and i said dammit ritoky and xata. | ||
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On December 24 2014 04:45 Holyflare wrote: I think you played the best in the game btw <3 thats high praise in deed there was some good play in the game. TBH I really thought mafia had it after d3. The game was really enjoyable and i'm really glad i got to play in it | ||
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