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On December 13 2014 14:07 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 13:59 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 13:58 batsnacks wrote:
@Vivax the other three people on that list who weren't Trfel you said were gut reads. I similarly don't have "thoughts" but gut feelings on those people. I am not convinced any of them are scum except for Trfel. I could skim through filters and find 1 townie thing or 1 scummy thing they did to support my gut read... like you probably did. But I'm saying it like it is. Gut says GB, FF, and templar are maybe town. I'm less confident about GB and templar, they're closer to null. Trfel is the only person on that list I feel strongly about. Why are you ignoring everything I say? I don't agree with lynching ritoky, which is most of what you've talked about today, and there was a great deal of talking about it. You haven't said anything today that I remember agreeing with. So I just left it alone.
I also find it hard to believe that you can believe this paragraph stating that all I've done is push ritoky but then make no comment on gb saying I haven't even pushed ritoky today
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On December 13 2014 14:22 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 14:13 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 14:07 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 13:59 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 13:58 batsnacks wrote:
@Vivax the other three people on that list who weren't Trfel you said were gut reads. I similarly don't have "thoughts" but gut feelings on those people. I am not convinced any of them are scum except for Trfel. I could skim through filters and find 1 townie thing or 1 scummy thing they did to support my gut read... like you probably did. But I'm saying it like it is. Gut says GB, FF, and templar are maybe town. I'm less confident about GB and templar, they're closer to null. Trfel is the only person on that list I feel strongly about. Why are you ignoring everything I say? I don't agree with lynching ritoky, which is most of what you've talked about today, and there was a great deal of talking about it. You haven't said anything today that I remember agreeing with. So I just left it alone. Yes that's not what I'm talking about: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=100#1986You also call me mafia after gb's "case" but don't even acknowledge any of what I/vivax/rsoultin have said to counter it. It looks like you're just freely tagging onto whoever is being scum read tbh I agreed with one of your reads, 27nb. Approx. half the game did. If I felt that strongly about you being mafia I would try a lot harder to get you lynched. I just think you might be mafia, and I have this idea that other people (not GB) might have that feeling too but are keeping quiet about it because they're scared or smth. I voted HTS because I couldn't remember a single thing she posted except for asking for MORE reading material. I might have voted tubesock for saying there are 5 mafia. I was the first person this game to point out Trfel is not himself. I still think Trfel is not himself. Vivax has said he doesn't think Trfel is himself, and Vivax coached him last game. So I was wondering if Vivax wanted to vote Trfel with me. He apparently doesn't because he has other "gut reads" to worry about or something.
Well this post actually makes me happy for a change. Kinda was thinking about the trfel thing too because of how he's been defending ff.
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Sl can you stop saying the 3rd present owner is mafia when you literally have no idea whether
A) they opened it at all to cc ritokys claim
B) you spent half the day berating ritoky for claiming he had a present but now want the 3rd person to claim for no reason.
It's also perfectly reasonable that they thought ritoky was going to get lynched because I was starting to push him so needed to give the present to him so he could wifom the hell out of the day.
Also a reasonable explanation that now you think rsoultin has tmi and knew you were sending the present to damd that mafia could easily make the plays above without even opening the presents.
You are putting way too much stock into presents this game and far too little actual game analysis.
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On December 13 2014 14:37 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 14:32 Holyflare wrote:
Sl can you stop saying the 3rd present owner is mafia when you literally have no idea whether
A) they opened it at all to cc ritokys claim
B) you spent half the day berating ritoky for claiming he had a present but now want the 3rd person to claim for no reason.
It's also perfectly reasonable that they thought ritoky was going to get lynched because I was starting to push him so needed to give the present to him so he could wifom the hell out of the day.
Also a reasonable explanation that now you think rsoultin has tmi and knew you were sending the present to damd that mafia could easily make the plays above without even opening the presents.
You are putting way too much stock into presents this game and far too little actual game analysis. Lie I want the original holder to claim not who has it now and since no ones claiming its proving my point its in mafias hands. It may be annoying but i have gained as much info if not more then anyone in this game.
Yes keep on trucking with this train of thought when you don't even realise that one of the people not claiming to send the present could be dead.
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On December 13 2014 14:39 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 14:27 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 14:22 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 14:13 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 14:07 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 13:59 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 13:58 batsnacks wrote:
@Vivax the other three people on that list who weren't Trfel you said were gut reads. I similarly don't have "thoughts" but gut feelings on those people. I am not convinced any of them are scum except for Trfel. I could skim through filters and find 1 townie thing or 1 scummy thing they did to support my gut read... like you probably did. But I'm saying it like it is. Gut says GB, FF, and templar are maybe town. I'm less confident about GB and templar, they're closer to null. Trfel is the only person on that list I feel strongly about. Why are you ignoring everything I say? I don't agree with lynching ritoky, which is most of what you've talked about today, and there was a great deal of talking about it. You haven't said anything today that I remember agreeing with. So I just left it alone. Yes that's not what I'm talking about: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=100#1986You also call me mafia after gb's "case" but don't even acknowledge any of what I/vivax/rsoultin have said to counter it. It looks like you're just freely tagging onto whoever is being scum read tbh I agreed with one of your reads, 27nb. Approx. half the game did. If I felt that strongly about you being mafia I would try a lot harder to get you lynched. I just think you might be mafia, and I have this idea that other people (not GB) might have that feeling too but are keeping quiet about it because they're scared or smth. I voted HTS because I couldn't remember a single thing she posted except for asking for MORE reading material. I might have voted tubesock for saying there are 5 mafia. I was the first person this game to point out Trfel is not himself. I still think Trfel is not himself. Vivax has said he doesn't think Trfel is himself, and Vivax coached him last game. So I was wondering if Vivax wanted to vote Trfel with me. He apparently doesn't because he has other "gut reads" to worry about or something. Well this post actually makes me happy for a change. Kinda was thinking about the trfel thing too because of how he's been defending ff. WELL it makes me supremely unhappy because all of my scum reads are completely out of the spotlight, and they're not even that strong. Like, ritoky claiming present is suboptimal, but I can't vote him after how he defended himself. GB I don't even think is being that bad. FF... maybe he's mafia? How does anyone know he's not just apathetic? I am... why wouldn't he be?
I do have the same feeling of just not giving a shit about half the time this game but I still remember at least what I've been thinking. Lonemeow's point about ff forgetting his scum read on bunnies entirely is great and shows he's just not thinking about anything and vivax's point about him pushing slam on things that are unreadable over bunnies etc makes it even more likely he is mafia.
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On December 13 2014 14:53 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 14:46 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 14:39 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 14:27 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 14:22 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 14:13 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 14:07 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 13:59 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 13:58 batsnacks wrote:
@Vivax the other three people on that list who weren't Trfel you said were gut reads. I similarly don't have "thoughts" but gut feelings on those people. I am not convinced any of them are scum except for Trfel. I could skim through filters and find 1 townie thing or 1 scummy thing they did to support my gut read... like you probably did. But I'm saying it like it is. Gut says GB, FF, and templar are maybe town. I'm less confident about GB and templar, they're closer to null. Trfel is the only person on that list I feel strongly about. Why are you ignoring everything I say? I don't agree with lynching ritoky, which is most of what you've talked about today, and there was a great deal of talking about it. You haven't said anything today that I remember agreeing with. So I just left it alone. Yes that's not what I'm talking about: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=100#1986You also call me mafia after gb's "case" but don't even acknowledge any of what I/vivax/rsoultin have said to counter it. It looks like you're just freely tagging onto whoever is being scum read tbh I agreed with one of your reads, 27nb. Approx. half the game did. If I felt that strongly about you being mafia I would try a lot harder to get you lynched. I just think you might be mafia, and I have this idea that other people (not GB) might have that feeling too but are keeping quiet about it because they're scared or smth. I voted HTS because I couldn't remember a single thing she posted except for asking for MORE reading material. I might have voted tubesock for saying there are 5 mafia. I was the first person this game to point out Trfel is not himself. I still think Trfel is not himself. Vivax has said he doesn't think Trfel is himself, and Vivax coached him last game. So I was wondering if Vivax wanted to vote Trfel with me. He apparently doesn't because he has other "gut reads" to worry about or something. Well this post actually makes me happy for a change. Kinda was thinking about the trfel thing too because of how he's been defending ff. WELL it makes me supremely unhappy because all of my scum reads are completely out of the spotlight, and they're not even that strong. Like, ritoky claiming present is suboptimal, but I can't vote him after how he defended himself. GB I don't even think is being that bad. FF... maybe he's mafia? How does anyone know he's not just apathetic? I am... why wouldn't he be? I do have the same feeling of just not giving a shit about half the time this game but I still remember at least what I've been thinking. Lonemeow's point about ff forgetting his scum read on bunnies entirely is great and shows he's just not thinking about anything and vivax's point about him pushing slam on things that are unreadable over bunnies etc makes it even more likely he is mafia. I remember everything Lonemeow said. You'd vote FF over Trfel though?
Most definitely
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On December 13 2014 14:53 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 14:46 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 14:39 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 14:27 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 14:22 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 14:13 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 14:07 batsnacks wrote:On December 13 2014 13:59 Holyflare wrote:On December 13 2014 13:58 batsnacks wrote:
@Vivax the other three people on that list who weren't Trfel you said were gut reads. I similarly don't have "thoughts" but gut feelings on those people. I am not convinced any of them are scum except for Trfel. I could skim through filters and find 1 townie thing or 1 scummy thing they did to support my gut read... like you probably did. But I'm saying it like it is. Gut says GB, FF, and templar are maybe town. I'm less confident about GB and templar, they're closer to null. Trfel is the only person on that list I feel strongly about. Why are you ignoring everything I say? I don't agree with lynching ritoky, which is most of what you've talked about today, and there was a great deal of talking about it. You haven't said anything today that I remember agreeing with. So I just left it alone. Yes that's not what I'm talking about: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=100#1986You also call me mafia after gb's "case" but don't even acknowledge any of what I/vivax/rsoultin have said to counter it. It looks like you're just freely tagging onto whoever is being scum read tbh I agreed with one of your reads, 27nb. Approx. half the game did. If I felt that strongly about you being mafia I would try a lot harder to get you lynched. I just think you might be mafia, and I have this idea that other people (not GB) might have that feeling too but are keeping quiet about it because they're scared or smth. I voted HTS because I couldn't remember a single thing she posted except for asking for MORE reading material. I might have voted tubesock for saying there are 5 mafia. I was the first person this game to point out Trfel is not himself. I still think Trfel is not himself. Vivax has said he doesn't think Trfel is himself, and Vivax coached him last game. So I was wondering if Vivax wanted to vote Trfel with me. He apparently doesn't because he has other "gut reads" to worry about or something. Well this post actually makes me happy for a change. Kinda was thinking about the trfel thing too because of how he's been defending ff. WELL it makes me supremely unhappy because all of my scum reads are completely out of the spotlight, and they're not even that strong. Like, ritoky claiming present is suboptimal, but I can't vote him after how he defended himself. GB I don't even think is being that bad. FF... maybe he's mafia? How does anyone know he's not just apathetic? I am... why wouldn't he be? I do have the same feeling of just not giving a shit about half the time this game but I still remember at least what I've been thinking. Lonemeow's point about ff forgetting his scum read on bunnies entirely is great and shows he's just not thinking about anything and vivax's point about him pushing slam on things that are unreadable over bunnies etc makes it even more likely he is mafia. I remember everything Lonemeow said. You'd vote FF over Trfel though?
Well I saw your meta thing on trfel and he is incredibly different but there's been so much stuff on ff and he got buried so deep behind all the other crap happening that people didn't care about mentioning him at all which hints that it's increasingly likely he's mafia. Also the fact that loads of dead people scum read him for awesome reasons and were very likely wanting to lynch him next.
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On December 12 2014 08:40 Vivax wrote:
I've looked at the dead guys filters and I think I'll just sheep onto their scumreads, namely
ritoky, FF, Oats for kita
Obi, froggy and FF for lone
I think ritoky for Koshi
Kush got killed by Marley and played horribly.
Gonna evaluate them individually.
If we have a vig he's stupid for not killing Alakaslam.
Oooooooooo
Vivax can you explain why you left damdred out of this list of dead peoples reads you were checking or is it because he opened an exploding present and wasn't a nk  ?
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On December 13 2014 15:08 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 15:06 Holyflare wrote:On December 12 2014 08:40 Vivax wrote:
I've looked at the dead guys filters and I think I'll just sheep onto their scumreads, namely
ritoky, FF, Oats for kita
Obi, froggy and FF for lone
I think ritoky for Koshi
Kush got killed by Marley and played horribly.
Gonna evaluate them individually.
If we have a vig he's stupid for not killing Alakaslam. Oooooooooo Vivax can you explain why you left damdred out of this list of dead peoples reads you were checking or is it because he opened an exploding present and wasn't a nk ? Cause he claimed joyful child or w/e it's called and I figured mafia mostly killed him for being a named VT and not for his reads. Tho in my latest post I also considered his reads, given that other JC claims didn't die.
Cool tings. Not sure I entirely agree with the froggy read though I thought he looked at least a little towny. Is that just a read you're sheeping or your own?
Undecided about obi too
There's just a lot of people not interested in solving the game at all on day 2 of the game which is a bit frustrating because I have a list of like 2 or 3 fairly good mafia reads and then quite a few might be mafia/might not bes
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Holy fucking shit I'm on like 79 posts or something because I got carried away playing like I normally do. This game is so fucking frustrating to play in.
I'm gonna leave my vote on ff because he's the most discussed/most likely mafia that we've been through. I like what vivac is doing and if gb comes back to try and derail this wagon onto me later look at what I've said about his first case on me today and how awful and wrong it is and actually just pushes lies. Don't let him abuse my forced absence.
I think the ritoky thing will sort itself out actually tomorrow regardless of what happens. I realise this is a backtrack from what I said but I don't care.
Feeling a bit better about bats and rsoul. Bats actually has some things going on in his mind which he explained anf was actually great and in line with what I'd be expecting someone to be thinking at this point in the game. Rsoul looks pretty good and analytical.
Froggy doesn't look that bad to me, i wouldn't want him lynched today over gb/ff/(trfel?/templar?) discuss the brackets people a lot more because they are getting away with quite a lot of not playing and they seem a bit weird when they do post. Disregarding trfels meta he has strange reads on fecal that I don't really see at all and he didn't really back up (about ff being towny /honest).
There are many afkers just getting by, oats/kelsier/templar /trfel.
All the rest I either minutely town read or just don't think are mafia right now. Probably forgot someone though.
Anyway listen to vivax
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I'm just going to say I'm actually a role and you guys are absolute fuck wits for trying to wagon me on a case that I've destroyed three times now. Absolutely 0 people quoted my defence of gb's case when talking about me and I even said he would push me RIGHT AT THE END OF THE DAY.
Congratulations to the amount of people that voted me based on literally nothing but gb yelling for 48 hours. I scum read him not because he was wrong but because he's twisted all these individual points to make me look like mafia and only like 3 people bothered reading it at all. This is all coming from the guy last game that said I was confirmed mafia but I was town.
The vivax/nb thing (they didn't do the same thing at all)
The analysis at deadline THAT HE EVEN SAYS IS TOWN MOTIVATED??? to then actually having a read on froggy
Scum reading someone (ritoky) for pushing false information which isn't scummy.
Just read my fucking filter jesus christ.
Gj on that kelsier case /lynch though they were both rather good
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On December 14 2014 08:16 liancourt wrote:
hey rit shoot hf
Uh huh
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On December 13 2014 08:26 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 22:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I want to read more of the thread before making a case on HF, but a lot of his reasoning is off. The lack of push on ritoky's present claim, the multiple scumreads of wagons outside the 27nb wagon and the 27nb mislynch is all playing against him.
His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me. The first part (not pushing ritoky) is false and it's all I did all night. Not to mention I had multiple arguments with sicklucker telling him that ritoky should die even while having the present open. The rest of the points are terrible: A) because the likeliest place in the entire game a mafia will be is off of the town bandwagon that you say was pushed for "bad reasons" (funny how you only start to bring up that it had no reasons and push this after bunnies flipped and not before) and even if it wasn't it's by far the best place to look for mafia as a starting reference point. B) I don't see how a mislynch that had less than half of the games players on it plays against me at all when 2 flipped townies who are actually good at this game were also on the same wagon and there are 11 people on it. Unless you're saying they are mafia too then this reason means nothing. Not to mention it's incredibly weird that you call the person who kept bringing up points on her all game mafia instead of looking at any of the people on the wagon that just did nothing towards the lynch. It's one thing to say it was a bad lynch with bad reasons but it's another to pick the person who was giving out reasons that 10 people sheeped. I don't even see how you call the mislynch bad and having 0 points when she was incredibly scummy anyway and soft claimed like 3 roles conveniently. You also push some dumb read on how i now semi town read froggy after scum reading him. I never scum read him this entire game I just said his vote looks the worst along with yours etc because you were all wasting your votes pointlessly. Congratulations on pointing out that I researched him and updated my read though. Show nested quote +His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me. This also doesn't make sense at all becausw vivax agreed with the points on bunnies. His original post on froggy just said froggy was null so I don't see how that is a contradiction that needed picking on or how you even compare it to bunnies. Your attempts to get a bandwagon on me are pitiful especially as you ONLY just started after I said I wouldn't be around till late because I was driving to Belgium.
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Case completely destroyed. Nobody batted an eyelid. A lynch wagon starts on me and gb only starts to try this pressure on me after I say I can't post. His second half of his case is like the same points he has been bringing up the entire day.
Nobody even gave a shit that I wasn't here to defend at all.
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Sl apparently knows who power roles are and aren't?
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On December 14 2014 08:29 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 08:18 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 08:16 liancourt wrote:
hey rit shoot hf Dude, no. KSC knew he was being lynched. Why would he go, no, no, don't kill HF, kill FF? if HF was mafia with him? He didn't even try to derail the lynch. anyone could have switched and caused shennanigans but no one did...why? i'm inlcined to think hf is mafia too. And it's really scummy that he comes right after the flip. What was he doing not defending himself or trying to convince others to vote kel or ff to save himself. Instead he lurked until the flip and suddenly comes in. HF's game thus far has been really underwhelming and a HF that makes IRL excuses and being underwhelming non pushing and just overall having a bad game is really hurting town and i'm really inclined to think that it's scum HF playing like this. He poses a big threat to town if he's scum, and right now he's been practically useless.
I've been sick and now I'm on holiday in belgium. There is no way I'd ever go down without a fight as town or mafia. Especially if the wagon was on mafia kelsier or mafia me. It's super simple that I just wasn't around.
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On December 14 2014 08:36 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 08:27 Half the Sky wrote:On December 14 2014 08:21 sicklucker wrote:
im not role hunting rofl? Im telling you not to shoot into possible roles. ONLY SHOOT guys who cant be power roles and maybe obi since he just completely wasted his vote. Like ff holy and whoever else I said are never power roles so shoot between them. OWS did not waste his vote. Check the vote count Sicklucker, he actually hammered KSC. obi is super town or super bussed his team mate. but since i think HF is scum and the fact that obi didnt want to vote HF earlier before thread sentiment was on kel i'm inlcined to think obi super bussed kel. But lets see how HF flips. Rit shoot HF Vig can find someone else hopefully. Oh wait mafia might have RB so...vig shoot HF and rit find someone else to shoot.
Are you just oblivious to everything I'm writing?
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And yes rsoul, you, hts and even fucking ritoky were paying attention to gb's case but not what I wrote at all
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Liancourt has some kind of blinders on like most of the thread where they don't read anything relevant to their scum reads
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On December 14 2014 08:52 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 08:34 Holyflare wrote:On December 14 2014 08:29 liancourt wrote:On December 14 2014 08:18 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 08:16 liancourt wrote:
hey rit shoot hf Dude, no. KSC knew he was being lynched. Why would he go, no, no, don't kill HF, kill FF? if HF was mafia with him? He didn't even try to derail the lynch. anyone could have switched and caused shennanigans but no one did...why? i'm inlcined to think hf is mafia too. And it's really scummy that he comes right after the flip. What was he doing not defending himself or trying to convince others to vote kel or ff to save himself. Instead he lurked until the flip and suddenly comes in. HF's game thus far has been really underwhelming and a HF that makes IRL excuses and being underwhelming non pushing and just overall having a bad game is really hurting town and i'm really inclined to think that it's scum HF playing like this. He poses a big threat to town if he's scum, and right now he's been practically useless. I've been sick and now I'm on holiday in belgium. There is no way I'd ever go down without a fight as town or mafia. Especially if the wagon was on mafia kelsier or mafia me. It's super simple that I just wasn't around. sorry hf but you're really detrimental to town right now town benefits from ur godlike analysis and pushing power and thread presence but you have none of that this game and sure you have IRL stuff going on. Even you have said in the past that mafia like to make IRL excuses for their inactiveness or untownlilike play. I'm sorry HF but I think it's a heavy burden for town to keep you alive.
I've claimed red. It's literally why I linked the same fucking case geript made on me in russian mafia where I was a role. I'm not a detriment I'm someone you can't be bothered to read at all so you'll just be lazy and actually IGNORE my entire filter and ask to shoot me instead. Much like the majority of the game has done.
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