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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2014 23:26 GMT
#1946
On December 12 2014 22:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I want to read more of the thread before making a case on HF, but a lot of his reasoning is off. The lack of push on ritoky's present claim, the multiple scumreads of wagons outside the 27nb wagon and the 27nb mislynch is all playing against him.

His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me.



The first part (not pushing ritoky) is false and it's all I did all night. Not to mention I had multiple arguments with sicklucker telling him that ritoky should die even while having the present open.

The rest of the points are terrible:

A) because the likeliest place in the entire game a mafia will be is off of the town bandwagon that you say was pushed for "bad reasons" (funny how you only start to bring up that it had no reasons and push this after bunnies flipped and not before) and even if it wasn't it's by far the best place to look for mafia as a starting reference point.

B) I don't see how a mislynch that had less than half of the games players on it plays against me at all when 2 flipped townies who are actually good at this game were also on the same wagon and there are 11 people on it. Unless you're saying they are mafia too then this reason means nothing. Not to mention it's incredibly weird that you call the person who kept bringing up points on her all game mafia instead of looking at any of the people on the wagon that just did nothing towards the lynch. It's one thing to say it was a bad lynch with bad reasons but it's another to pick the person who was giving out reasons that 10 people sheeped. I don't even see how you call the mislynch bad and having 0 points when she was incredibly scummy anyway and soft claimed like 3 roles conveniently.


You also push some dumb read on how i now semi town read froggy after scum reading him. I never scum read him this entire game I just said his vote looks the worst along with yours etc because you were all wasting your votes pointlessly. Congratulations on pointing out that I researched him and updated my read though.

His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me.


This also doesn't make sense at all becausw vivax agreed with the points on bunnies. His original post on froggy just said froggy was null so I don't see how that is a contradiction that needed picking on or how you even compare it to bunnies.



Your attempts to get a bandwagon on me are pitiful especially as you ONLY just started after I said I wouldn't be around till late because I was driving to Belgium.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2014 23:29 GMT
#1947
I can only assume someone pushing so much false information is mafia. Much like ritoky who even when presented with multiple pieces of evidence to show that his meta was wrong continued to push his scum read on me. Not to mention his initial contradictory stance on how he has a super solid meta read on me but was fooled last game even though he said that meta read existed then too. Glad to see absolutely nobody in this game is paying attention to that.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2014 23:42 GMT
#1949
Don't particularly hate vivax's post although the first half of it I disagree with entirely. Lots of reasons ff is mafis now though and even when ritoky of all people starts talking about him to get people off of him people just bypass all of the reads on ff etc and make reads on ritoky instead. Pretty scummyyyy/also terrible town play.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2014 23:50 GMT
#1951
^^^^^ That guy knows what's up
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2014 23:59 GMT
#1952
Would lynch ff, ritoky, gb, still undecided about tube because he's actually starting to put in effort and his reads aren't actually awful because I feel somewhat similar about sl's useless fishing all game and gb's excuses, kelsier I'll need to look into but his late day 1 was definitely scummy. His case on ff was also meh but I think xata and vivax? have talked about him so I'll read some of that
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 13 2014 00:09 GMT
#1954
Templar is kinda meh too regardless of his enthusiasm for playing the game all his posts are meaningless and don't do anything to drive the game anywhere and only seek to blend in and seem contributory.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 13 2014 04:03 GMT
#1986
On December 11 2014 11:53 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 11:51 Holyflare wrote:
On December 11 2014 11:45 ritoky wrote:
On December 11 2014 11:40 Holyflare wrote:
On December 11 2014 11:13 ritoky wrote:
HF can you start getting salty so i can read you as town already? you're doing town things, but you're not angry at idiots for lynching town....why?


you're telling me I should berate people for.... listening to me!? what the shit are you even talking about


you do that a lot...lol. especially when people listen to you for bad reasons and when you got people like koshi saying they are okay with it and rsoultin saying i told you so and kels pre-emptively saying i told you so.


stop wasting my posts with insignificant bs I have like 7 left, I literally just said kelsier is very likely mafia for talking about all that crap pre-lynch and I'm not going to berate other people who have the same reads as me because that means they are likely town. I'm confused why you even have this read when you literally just expressed how I "fooled" you last game which means this salty read is clearly not a proper read at all if I can emulate it as both alignments, not to mention you said I've been doing towny things and somehow that's pushed under the rug

I also said I was extremely sick and wouldn't be here post-deadline but here I am.


you are mafia


I found him first.



On December 12 2014 08:14 batsnacks wrote:
Kush
Ritoky
HF

probable scum team. Posting for cred.

On December 13 2014 03:32 batsnacks wrote:
HTS is mafia. Ritoky isn't.

On December 13 2014 10:19 batsnacks wrote:
I think HF is mafia though


On December 13 2014 12:32 batsnacks wrote:
Vivax vote Trfel with me?

Or maybe rsoultin. He has a stick up his ass this game. He was a lot calmer last game. I've never seen anyone engage me as calmly as he did in Student Mafia and I was out in full force.


This is pretty scummy. How do you go from agreeing with me all game and then agreeing to this post above and then somehow pulling out that I'm mafia? Only to then just tell vivax you in fact don't want to vote me but instead trfel or rsoultin who imo is posting good tidbits.


Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 13 2014 04:07 GMT
#1988
Also notice how gb has commented on multiple posts that had me as town in them and has started this day by saying "alert hf isn't dead" only to then only base the majority of his scum read on day 1 and a lot of it on my first post.

I also just destroyed his case and he ignored it and posted it up all over again. Dude is so 1 track mafia minded.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 13 2014 04:14 GMT
#1994
On December 13 2014 13:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2014 13:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also notice how gb has commented on multiple posts that had me as town in them and has started this day by saying "alert hf isn't dead" only to then only base the majority of his scum read on day 1 and a lot of it on my first post.

I also just destroyed his case and he ignored it and posted it up all over again. Dude is so 1 track mafia minded.


That's only the first part of his case, though.


What is? That post? Or you mean the part I'm commenting on? If it's the post he's literally posted the same thing twice which I've explained away a few pages ago. Bunnies and vivax were nothing alike and he's saying they are.

If he has more to post then he's wasting his time.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 13 2014 04:18 GMT
#1998
Fuck man he even says I make no attempt at finding people's alignments but then quizzes me on someone I said had a scummy vote yesterday and I semi town read them and then he scum reads me for that. Only to now say I haven't updated my reads from that at all? Haha
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 13 2014 04:22 GMT
#2001
On December 13 2014 13:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2014 13:18 Holyflare wrote:
Fuck man he even says I make no attempt at finding people's alignments but then quizzes me on someone I said had a scummy vote yesterday and I semi town read them and then he scum reads me for that. Only to now say I haven't updated my reads from that at all? Haha


That's cool.

Let him post the second part. Then you can tear it down relentlessly and I can analyze the value in what he's saying.


I've told you I'm in Belgium so my posting is limited. If I don't comment on atrocities and nip them in the bud and point out glaring inconsistencies in posts as they come out then who the fuck will? Not like anyone reads wall of texts about posts being bad anymore.

Why on earth are you shitting on multiple valid points that I'm bringing up?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 13 2014 04:27 GMT
#2003
On December 13 2014 13:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2014 13:22 Holyflare wrote:
On December 13 2014 13:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On December 13 2014 13:18 Holyflare wrote:
Fuck man he even says I make no attempt at finding people's alignments but then quizzes me on someone I said had a scummy vote yesterday and I semi town read them and then he scum reads me for that. Only to now say I haven't updated my reads from that at all? Haha


That's cool.

Let him post the second part. Then you can tear it down relentlessly and I can analyze the value in what he's saying.


I've told you I'm in Belgium so my posting is limited. If I don't comment on atrocities and nip them in the bud and point out glaring inconsistencies in posts as they come out then who the fuck will? Not like anyone reads wall of texts about posts being bad anymore.

Why on earth are you shitting on multiple valid points that I'm bringing up?


I'm not shitting on anything. I just want to see the second part of GB's case before I start tackling this predicament.

I'm kind of annoyed that he's doing it this way, tbh. I'm probably not going to be able to look at it until after deadline which really upsets me.


You're literally seeing I'm making valid points on why his case is awful and actually doesn't make any sense from anyone who had a thought process this game and how wrong it is, only to tell me to wait to criticise it altogether and then say you won't be able to even read it.?.???? Wtf
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 13 2014 04:28 GMT
#2006
Now he's not even going to post anymore, OK

##vote gb
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 13 2014 04:33 GMT
#2010
I'm not freaking out I think it's awful play to not comment on things as they happen because now you have no valid opinion on anything I have said because you refuse to take a stance on half a posted case when the other half won't be posted in forever.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 13 2014 04:35 GMT
#2012
On December 13 2014 13:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2014 13:28 Holyflare wrote:
Now he's not even going to post anymore, OK

##vote gb


He just said he was at a party, and now he's drunk...

...

I have no idea how this warrants a vote.


Well I missed the end of his post. Doesn't stop me voting someone who is playing like mafia either way does it?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 13 2014 04:44 GMT
#2017
On December 13 2014 13:40 rsoultin wrote:
Viva, if you have questions for me, I am here to answer them, so it's a good time to ask.

I will say, though, that GB looks like a good lynch to me today. Drunk or not. He's managed to have an excuse all game...not sitting well with me at all.


Can you give me a quick break down of people that you want to lynch please
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 13 2014 04:46 GMT
#2019
I have a dream of a perfect mafia game someday where people only post analysis and aren't cocky dicks when being asked relevant game questions.

Guess it will forever be a dream
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 13 2014 04:53 GMT
#2025
On December 13 2014 13:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2014 13:40 rsoultin wrote:
Viva, if you have questions for me, I am here to answer them, so it's a good time to ask.

I will say, though, that GB looks like a good lynch to me today. Drunk or not. He's managed to have an excuse all game...not sitting well with me at all.


U have a townread on you. Don't make me rescind that.

You're not considering the present giving mechanics. It tells a lot about alignment,


I'm sure HF is mafia


You complain about vivax attacking the player and not the case but I've put up more than adequate defences and have called you out on multiple discrepancies but you just ignore it instead and do things like this.

Ok gb
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 13 2014 04:59 GMT
#2029
On December 13 2014 13:58 batsnacks wrote:
@Vivax the other three people on that list who weren't Trfel you said were gut reads. I similarly don't have "thoughts" but gut feelings on those people. I am not convinced any of them are scum except for Trfel. I could skim through filters and find 1 townie thing or 1 scummy thing they did to support my gut read... like you probably did. But I'm saying it like it is. Gut says GB, FF, and templar are maybe town. I'm less confident about GB and templar, they're closer to null. Trfel is the only person on that list I feel strongly about.


Why are you ignoring everything I say?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 13 2014 05:13 GMT
#2031
On December 13 2014 14:07 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2014 13:59 Holyflare wrote:
On December 13 2014 13:58 batsnacks wrote:
@Vivax the other three people on that list who weren't Trfel you said were gut reads. I similarly don't have "thoughts" but gut feelings on those people. I am not convinced any of them are scum except for Trfel. I could skim through filters and find 1 townie thing or 1 scummy thing they did to support my gut read... like you probably did. But I'm saying it like it is. Gut says GB, FF, and templar are maybe town. I'm less confident about GB and templar, they're closer to null. Trfel is the only person on that list I feel strongly about.


Why are you ignoring everything I say?


I don't agree with lynching ritoky, which is most of what you've talked about today, and there was a great deal of talking about it. You haven't said anything today that I remember agreeing with. So I just left it alone.


Yes that's not what I'm talking about:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=100#1986

You also call me mafia after gb's "case" but don't even acknowledge any of what I/vivax/rsoultin have said to counter it. It looks like you're just freely tagging onto whoever is being scum read tbh
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