EPTUnless of course you are an idiot, which is possible.
I believe you claimed to open it, and will pass it on during the day phase, then claim that you were roleblocked.
Yolo.
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Unless of course you are an idiot, which is possible. I believe you claimed to open it, and will pass it on during the day phase, then claim that you were roleblocked. Yolo. | ||
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You should be flattered that I'm not dismissing you as one, actually. | ||
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On December 12 2014 12:54 Tubesock wrote: To All of you who are Actually Nice: We lost 6 people. Clearly our D1 strategy is not working. I'm putting in effort to CHANGE MY PLAY. Filter Dive yourself. Tell me you don't think you are scummy??? I saw Alakaslam read me scum. I saw a couple others say I'm worthless. I Filter dove myself and holy hell, I sure made things easy. D1 Tubesock is SCUMMY SCUM SCUM. I would have lynched myself. Now, continue your debate on scummy defenses and not reevaluate your focus on what actually matters. If you think talking to someone who is trying to add in points that are listed in the scummy side of play in the freaking TL Mafia guide (meta reading, nitpicking, fluff, spamming etc) and you allow that to base your decisions, Nice already lost. Lynch me now so I don't have to wait around till mafia NK's me. D1 consisted of almost nothing but meta reads and I feels. SHOCKING a Nice died. Let's focus on behavior. Don't agree, you better wagon the fuck out of me. Too lazy to READ for my votes??? Ok, I'll make it easy. ##Vote: The_Templar ##Vote: Sicklucker ##Vote: GlowingBear ##Vote: KelsierSC When my 5th show's you'll know. I already mentioned by name these 4. My last night post had the top three. Kelsier I have said was Scum for a bit. I even asked GlowingBear about it. He didn't respond to me. Huh. Want to talk about someone not on this list? Or if I fucking care if there is 5 or 6 or 19 Mafia?? Who the fuck cares?? Step up. Dude, you're obnoxious. Talk about what you want to talk about. You got reads? Make them. You have questions? Ask. This just makes me want to start ignoring you on principle. If you're scum, that's great. Proceed. But if you're town you're the one who needs to shape up. | ||
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##vote Ritoky The fact that slam didn't express doubt when he said 27nb was not scum only means he did not express doubt. He either did not tell people he had any doubts, was arrogant enough to think he was 100% right, or he was 100% right because he already knows who is and isn't scum this game. Sorry, Tube. I know you are trying, and I do agree on the meta-reads (if you've been reading my posts and others about me you know that). But no doubt =/= town necessarily. Some would argue it's even more of a mafia trait. | ||
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On December 12 2014 14:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Can you guys stop posting ridiculous shit now? It's not helping anybody and this game has already thrown me for a loop. Yo, OWS. Comments, thoughts, reads, anything productive? You keep on saying you don't know what you're doing, apparently not realizing that almost every town here probably has no clue. Give it a whirl, will you? | ||
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On December 12 2014 07:21 froggynoddy wrote: I'm sorry why are you giving reads at night?? Am happy to answer any concerns you may have but during the day please. As I said, might be circumstantial, but it's a bit convenient that he now doesn't have to concern himself with LM...and he went out of his way to put it off until the day phase to respond. | ||
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- Commenting that one of LS' town reads voted another town read (like that is at all significant) - Random townread on slam based on...what? meta from a game slam was afk in for rl reasons...yeah, that's strong (ignores this when pointed out to him and continues to read slam as town) - Keeps reading into comments to claim that ppl are saying they know things that they can't know: i.e. HTS on kush claiming scrooge not considering he was scum, SL on the kill present with Damdred thing, Templar on mafia RB as if it isn't a /possibility/ that mafia might have one - Nitpicking HTS for froggy in null section for no apparent reason (at least he doesn't explain it if he has one) - FF read is entirely about FF "sheeping" Ritoky's reasons for scumreading LS (meta) - weak case with so much available - Nitpicking yet again for froggy in null section, this time in FFs reads, and complains about them all even though FF was specifically asked to make reads on those people - Move off of LS onto FF seems to coincide with general thread feelings - Case against HF is almost entirely (if not entirely) meta - Takes cue from GB about HF still being alive and immediately starts tunneling (after stupid you think i'm mafia exchange with GB) - 1 in 3 kill chance means nothing when we have no way to confirm that he opened a present, only that he says he did - if he was town and did open a present only an idiot would claim that to be RBd or killed by mafia the next night, which he refuses to see despite the fact that it's glaringly obvious So yeah. I'd say that's enough to vote him for. At least it meets my threshold. | ||
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Things generally don't "make" people mafia, anyway. It's usually about the whole picture. | ||
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On December 12 2014 21:24 GlowingBear wrote: Slam is town. Holyflare is mafia. Ritoky's reason could be legit. I admit I tunnelled a bit after the present thing. I can, although with some reluctance, see his actions coming from a town perspective. More from a mafia perspective, but... I'll have to reevaluate his play in this game. I want to lynch Holyflare today. Why HF? And no, don't think so. Ritoky claiming so we know how he died is BS. It would just increase the possibilities from mafia/vig to mafia/vig/present, making things more difficult to decipher, not easier. Claiming before use of the power renders the power useless because now mafia has a sure thing to disable/take out over a guess. It just doesn't make sense, and while town cannot make sense, his refusal to see that is ridiculous. | ||
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On December 12 2014 22:02 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah, that's a point. I agree with you. The problem is: HF is giving me scum vibes and although I know he busses a lot, I find hard to believe that they would both make a case against each other. I agree, so why is HF "giving you scum vibes". I will take evidence over feelings every time, so what is it that makes you think HF is scum? | ||
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Alright, two things. One, claiming having a present is not the worst move as scum because clearly ppl are going to WIFOM the shit out of it as you're doing now. There were five NKs last night. Even if we assume 1 was the present, 1 was the vig and 1 was Marley...which given two of the deaths were Disgruntled Retail Workers chances are high there's at least a Branch Manager with another bullet in there somewhere...that's at least 2 more mafia NKs tonight. We know there are at least 3 scum given the OP, because one scum can't shoot twice. At best we're playing 19 on 3 right now, likely more. Also, "waiting" to see if Rit comes through is faulty cause as mafia he can NK whoever you ask for to legitimize his claim, or go damn it didn't work oops my bad if he doesn't like your choice. There is actually no possible way to validate his claim, and that is why it is a good scum move...especially if his usefulness as mafia was expended with Scrooge's death. Second, I gave GB a chance. He's been claiming throughout the game that he will be coming out with great reads, or amazing cases, and not once has he produced anything. I've seen lists with no explanations. I've seen ppl have to ask him multiple times to explain. And I've seen BS it just feels this way to me answers. GB, yes, I do want you to make your case on HF. Prove me wrong. And before you say anything about calling attention to your scummy play multiple times, I'm responding WIFOM right now. Oh, and here's another WIFOM moment for you; Damdred was the only one voting for you.  ##vote GB Bring on the reads, scummy one. | ||
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On December 13 2014 09:13 sicklucker wrote: Damdred died to a present tho this is like mostly confirmed because the veg would not have killed anyone who died. Kush would have died anyway. They have a bank manager or the other killer its kind of irrelevant but they definitely have one. rsoultin your post was pure fluff that I already explained you got a bad habit of this. And yes ritokys claim is validated if he kills a mafia. Geez, SL. One, you clearly did not understand my post if you think I'm just repeating you, since we reached different conclusions. Why do you think that the person you guys tell him to hit will be mafia? Or that as town he would instantly get mafia any more than a vig would? Are you going to kill him if his NK hits town? Or go, well, at least you tried? The point is that you can't know. Why won't you consider that Damdred might have been killed by scum? There is no guarantee that the present killed him, or that he even opened it. Just that there is one less in the game. And again, you can't know what killed Damdred. He's a decent enough player to be NKd. Or killed because mafia knows he might have a power to use the next night. | ||
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He's a brand new player so in general I'm giving him more leeway than others...but I can see their point. | ||
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On December 09 2014 11:54 sicklucker wrote: Think about it the Joyful Child role has no description but it is a role its basically vanilla town 2.0. I have a present and im a joyful child it adds up. Its pretty obvious. Im pretty sure something dandred said makes me ride or die with him maybe gb too. Let me look it up. Then: On December 09 2014 12:01 sicklucker wrote: Also Gb didnt get my child reference HE IS NOT OF THE CHILDREN. i need to stop spamming small posts for there is a limit Then: On December 10 2014 00:52 sicklucker wrote: Also Gb just said hes a role for no reason. Wtf man do not open that present. Then: On December 10 2014 01:02 sicklucker wrote: Ok I just sent my gift now to someone im sure is town and not going to get killed tonight. Open it if you think im town its not the death present I think. I think a mafia starts with that one but im not sure. You thought GB had claimed a role, you already said you'd ride or die with Damdred, and you say in your last post that you're sure they're town and won't be killed. Tell me that's not obvious? Pretty sure the only other you even mention as a townread before you said you sent your gift was HF. | ||
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On December 13 2014 09:55 GlowingBear wrote: Seriously guys. I haven't seen such and inconsistency game from holyflare. What's inconsistent here? Help me out. He's saying you're null leaning scum, at least as far as I can tell. | ||
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On December 13 2014 10:06 liancourt wrote: for real that it? i thought nothing of that post and just went over it. I was also assuming that there's around 5 scum in 26 player setup. i thought there was something in his playstyle that was scummy with all the votes on him. He was also trying to talk like slam to slam and being obnoxious. I can see the read but I don't really agree with it. At least, I don't find it damning. | ||
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You I do believe are town. I trust a meta-read on you because you're generally haphazard (that's not a criticism in this context). The point was mafia!Rit can just shoot whoever you ask him to as mafia or town with a KS. Especially since probably more than one person will suggest who he should shoot, and probably not all of us will be on the same page. Even if all his choices were mafia, it could be considered the same as bussing to earn himself a lasting town read, or he could claim his KS was roleblocked. Regardless there is absolutely no way to verify his alignment by seeing what happens tonight unless he is killed by mafia/vig and flips town. The KS itself means nothing. | ||
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On December 13 2014 10:11 GlowingBear wrote: Sigh fiiiiiine. I'll explain then make the fucking case on him. Argh. He says in the beginning of the game he reads me town for doing things completely wrong. I just did one, in his point of view. He is reading me as mafia for it. Do you see the inconsistency? | ||
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On December 13 2014 10:11 GlowingBear wrote: What's inconsistent here? Help me out. He's saying you're null leaning scum, at least as far as I can tell. Sigh fiiiiiine. I'll explain then make the fucking case on him. Argh. He says in the beginning of the game he reads me town for doing things completely wrong. I just did one, in his point of view. He is reading me as mafia for it. Do you see the inconsistency? | ||
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