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On December 12 2014 11:29 Holyflare wrote:
Game before that then. Obviously not a game where what I say isn't what's happening -.-
I already explained how it's not the same at all. Your point 2 i already explained means nothing because I do it as town and literally gave an example which you just dismissed to talk about me being angry and this game I'm restricted to 4 pages max a cycle which makes gameplay totally different. If your meta doesn't carry over at all its not an alignment indicative meta. I don't understand how you can continue to push/believe this at all when presented with overwhelming evidence from not only me but multiple people saying otherwise unless you are mafia.
It feels like what you quoted of me doing to obi in that mafia game is what you're trying and failing to do to me. You have something that looks scummy to you and you stick to it like a dog as your only proper read because it looks like you're contributing etc.
All I can say is that you're pushing the wrong guy and I suggest you try and contribute elsewhere as people I'm sure are absolutely sick of you pressing the same meta and if they agreed they would have already said so. Do something else with you limited post counts because all your reasoning is out there now and you are wasting mine quite successfully.
? i have pushed on LS until he was basically obvious town, was the main proponent of the FF lynch which i believe you like for at least a portion of the reasons i brought to the table, and i pushed on kels lightly although he is my weakest scum read atm before you. so idk what you're talking about it being the only thing i am doing.
if i am not lynching you, i still don't see a reason not to lynch ff, i wouldn't mind a lynch on kels, and i think SL may have scum slipped by claiming that he KNEW FOR CERTAIN that damdred died via present and not being shot. i also don't know what to make of him and gb coming out and trying to dominate the phase and drive it toward me early on, but that's probably gut OMGUS reaction.
also posting this for myself and others for later:
On December 11 2014 08:01 marvellosity wrote:
Finished Counting For Today
ritoky (1): kushm4sta
27ninjabunnies (11): The_Templar, Holyflare, batsnacks, sicklucker, kitaman27, liancourt, Koshi, Xatalos, Tubesock, Trfel, Fecalfeast
The_Templar (2): GlowingBear, froggynoddy
Vivax (1): Oatsmaster
GlowingBear (1): Damdred
Fecalfeast (3): ritoky, LoneMeow, KelsierSC
KelsierSC (3): 27ninjabunnies, LightningStrike, Alakaslam
Xatalos (3): ObiWanShinobi, Vivax, rsoultin
froggynoddy (1): Half the Sky
Not Voting (0):
27ninjabunnies was lynched!
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On December 12 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:
Actually no it was last game. Russian mini. Fu ritoky
oh, i must not have played cuz i was alive until the end in the mspaint game
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wtf are you saying SL? like....if you think i am mafia you should totally have hf's perspective. so either you think i am null/town or you're making literal 0 sense.
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On December 12 2014 11:59 Holyflare wrote:
No it doesn't sound terrible. He said something that looks like tmi and got called on it and instead of responding sensibly has gone all insane. He also gave reads in the most cryptic way possible. It's annoying so I don't blame you at all.
my case is completely reasonable.
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On December 12 2014 12:13 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 12:00 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 11:59 Holyflare wrote:
No it doesn't sound terrible. He said something that looks like tmi and got called on it and instead of responding sensibly has gone all insane. He also gave reads in the most cryptic way possible. It's annoying so I don't blame you at all. my case is completely reasonable. That was in response to me, not you, pretty sure. Your case is not reasonable. Also, even if it was, I ignore meta reads to a fault, so...find something else or go home, at least if you want me to convince to vote on HF with you. I'm leaning toward voting you, actually. Scum or idiot...scum I want to get rid of, idiot I can do without anyway. -_- But I want to see some more absentee players enter this conversation first.
Scum or idiot, while giving no examples or either and still ignoring my reasons for claiming opening the present.
Here's a better line of thought for you. Your top scum read was on Xata last phase because his read on 27NB made absolutely 0 sense in your eyes. In that read of Xata you pretty much say you're reading 27NB as town and at the very least you imply it. If you read her that much as town, then why did you do basically nothing to try to move the vote?
This is pretty much the largest defense of her/counterpush you offer:
On December 11 2014 13:57 rsoultin wrote:
Are we actually calling the case against 27nb strong? She played poorly, sure, but people jumped on that train before half of the players had even posted one time. It shows a peculiar sort of tunnel vision, imo.
Simply put, Xatalos' defense of his reads on 27nb was not adequate for me. I asked for a simple thing, to show me why he thought that bunnies was so much more scummy than anyone else in the thread. His strongest read (at least to my eyes) was against OWS, and most of his reads were about the people voting him. He spent most of his time trying to refute points that Vivax made against him which I didn't agree with in the first place...so obviously I'm not going to care if he makes the same arguments I more or less made for him when Vivax first started that push.
Tube made a good point, though. I didn't catch why those last two last-minute votes.
@FF, dude, you posted that without the strikethroughs. I verified that it was right in the vote thread, but that post up there doesn't prove your point at all.
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On December 12 2014 12:23 liancourt wrote:
is ritoky still sore about that hearthstone game?
Let it go, let it go
Can't hold it back anymore
Let it go, let it go
Turn away and try reading someone else
I don't care
what you're going to say
Let the ritoky rage on.
The HF never bothered me anyway
no spoiler? must be important post
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On December 12 2014 12:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 12:20 sicklucker wrote:On December 12 2014 12:12 Holyflare wrote:
No that's dumb because you don't include the part where he could be mafia AND GIVE THEM AN EXTRA KP OR A CHANCE TO SNIPE ROLES.
I'd agree if he looked towny. He doesn't at all. That would be even better. We would hit a for sure mafia tomorrow(him) and hopefully one today! We should set it up so he has to prove himself if he lives the night. If we vote him now its like a 50/50 in my mind or worse. Why not wait till the odds are better? How is it even better wtf? "oh i shot this guy cz he looked scummy, sorry he ended up town guys!" could come from either alignment. If he says he has a role check tomorrow and we've mislynched today then that's also pretty much lylo too?? Play the game dude. Stop this crap. Judge him on his play and not his present opening ability otherwise you won't improve at this game.
i mean i know you're just gonna say wifom to this, but there's 0 way i yolo open a present with a 1/3 chance of killing myself as mafia when i have crap tons of kp.
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On December 12 2014 12:42 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 12:22 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 12:13 rsoultin wrote:On December 12 2014 12:00 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 11:59 Holyflare wrote:
No it doesn't sound terrible. He said something that looks like tmi and got called on it and instead of responding sensibly has gone all insane. He also gave reads in the most cryptic way possible. It's annoying so I don't blame you at all. my case is completely reasonable. That was in response to me, not you, pretty sure. Your case is not reasonable. Also, even if it was, I ignore meta reads to a fault, so...find something else or go home, at least if you want me to convince to vote on HF with you. I'm leaning toward voting you, actually. Scum or idiot...scum I want to get rid of, idiot I can do without anyway. -_- But I want to see some more absentee players enter this conversation first. Scum or idiot, while giving no examples or either and still ignoring my reasons for claiming opening the present. Here's a better line of thought for you. Your top scum read was on Xata last phase because his read on 27NB made absolutely 0 sense in your eyes. In that read of Xata you pretty much say you're reading 27NB as town and at the very least you imply it. If you read her that much as town, then why did you do basically nothing to try to move the vote? This is pretty much the largest defense of her/counterpush you offer: On December 11 2014 13:57 rsoultin wrote:
Are we actually calling the case against 27nb strong? She played poorly, sure, but people jumped on that train before half of the players had even posted one time. It shows a peculiar sort of tunnel vision, imo.
Simply put, Xatalos' defense of his reads on 27nb was not adequate for me. I asked for a simple thing, to show me why he thought that bunnies was so much more scummy than anyone else in the thread. His strongest read (at least to my eyes) was against OWS, and most of his reads were about the people voting him. He spent most of his time trying to refute points that Vivax made against him which I didn't agree with in the first place...so obviously I'm not going to care if he makes the same arguments I more or less made for him when Vivax first started that push.
Tube made a good point, though. I didn't catch why those last two last-minute votes.
@FF, dude, you posted that without the strikethroughs. I verified that it was right in the vote thread, but that post up there doesn't prove your point at all.
The logic is simple, Ritoky. You either: Claimed when you decided to open the present (thus eliminating the possibility of passing it during day phase) and risked being 1.killed (yolo) 2.RBd by mafia 3.killed by mafia (which if you weren't killed will happen Night 2 unless we're all reading the rules wrong and the kill present delays a night) - Thus IDIOTIC Or, claimed when you decided to open the present and risked being 1.killed but nothing else because you already know that mafia won't do anything to you - Thus MAFIA Or, claimed but you never did anything with it, but you want to give people a reason not to lynch you - Thus MAFIA Or, you're randomly claiming it in a bid to get mafia to kill or rb you instead of anyone else - Thus NOT a power role And as for why I didn't defend 27nb strongly, I did tell people to lay off her and HTS, and did encourage people to make other reads. I did not go all gungho on it because she was a NULL read to me. If you guys try to lynch one of my TOWN reads, you will see me defend them with a lot more gusto.
you're looking at the play from the perspective of me claiming after i opened it, which is not the case, not me claiming before i opened it and it potentially killing me, that's why you think it is so dumb.
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On December 12 2014 12:50 rsoultin wrote:
No, if I'm being completely honest, I fully believe that you never opened it.
Unless of course you are an idiot, which is possible.
I believe you claimed to open it, and will pass it on during the day phase, then claim that you were roleblocked.
Yolo.
i will accept your apology after the game when you are shown to be wrong.
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On December 12 2014 12:49 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 12:48 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 12:42 rsoultin wrote:On December 12 2014 12:22 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 12:13 rsoultin wrote:On December 12 2014 12:00 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 11:59 Holyflare wrote:
No it doesn't sound terrible. He said something that looks like tmi and got called on it and instead of responding sensibly has gone all insane. He also gave reads in the most cryptic way possible. It's annoying so I don't blame you at all. my case is completely reasonable. That was in response to me, not you, pretty sure. Your case is not reasonable. Also, even if it was, I ignore meta reads to a fault, so...find something else or go home, at least if you want me to convince to vote on HF with you. I'm leaning toward voting you, actually. Scum or idiot...scum I want to get rid of, idiot I can do without anyway. -_- But I want to see some more absentee players enter this conversation first. Scum or idiot, while giving no examples or either and still ignoring my reasons for claiming opening the present. Here's a better line of thought for you. Your top scum read was on Xata last phase because his read on 27NB made absolutely 0 sense in your eyes. In that read of Xata you pretty much say you're reading 27NB as town and at the very least you imply it. If you read her that much as town, then why did you do basically nothing to try to move the vote? This is pretty much the largest defense of her/counterpush you offer: On December 11 2014 13:57 rsoultin wrote:
Are we actually calling the case against 27nb strong? She played poorly, sure, but people jumped on that train before half of the players had even posted one time. It shows a peculiar sort of tunnel vision, imo.
Simply put, Xatalos' defense of his reads on 27nb was not adequate for me. I asked for a simple thing, to show me why he thought that bunnies was so much more scummy than anyone else in the thread. His strongest read (at least to my eyes) was against OWS, and most of his reads were about the people voting him. He spent most of his time trying to refute points that Vivax made against him which I didn't agree with in the first place...so obviously I'm not going to care if he makes the same arguments I more or less made for him when Vivax first started that push.
Tube made a good point, though. I didn't catch why those last two last-minute votes.
@FF, dude, you posted that without the strikethroughs. I verified that it was right in the vote thread, but that post up there doesn't prove your point at all.
The logic is simple, Ritoky. You either: Claimed when you decided to open the present (thus eliminating the possibility of passing it during day phase) and risked being 1.killed (yolo) 2.RBd by mafia 3.killed by mafia (which if you weren't killed will happen Night 2 unless we're all reading the rules wrong and the kill present delays a night) - Thus IDIOTIC Or, claimed when you decided to open the present and risked being 1.killed but nothing else because you already know that mafia won't do anything to you - Thus MAFIA Or, claimed but you never did anything with it, but you want to give people a reason not to lynch you - Thus MAFIA Or, you're randomly claiming it in a bid to get mafia to kill or rb you instead of anyone else - Thus NOT a power role And as for why I didn't defend 27nb strongly, I did tell people to lay off her and HTS, and did encourage people to make other reads. I did not go all gungho on it because she was a NULL read to me. If you guys try to lynch one of my TOWN reads, you will see me defend them with a lot more gusto. you're looking at the play from the perspective of me claiming after i opened it, which is not the case, not me claiming before i opened it and it potentially killing me, that's why you think it is so dumb. The point is that, since you're not dead, if you're town mafia knows they can RB you tonight.
there's no guarantee they have a rb in the first place, do you know for certain they have one?
even if that is the case that means that is no rb on our cop/doc/vigi which is a net positive anyway imo. you didn't even read my reasoning. i can tell.
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On December 12 2014 12:57 sicklucker wrote:
So ritoky I assumed you opened it? Is this true? If not you can just pass it off and we can pretend this is all a bad dream.
i opened my present, i have an ability to use tonight.
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Scum:
HF - wasted enough time by now, if you don't get it you don't get it.
FF - My case on him from earlier where he directly sheeped my read, basically word for word. I then asked him what his read on me was, he responded null and tried to dumb tell by claiming to have not read my post that he just sheeped 5 posts later. It is not a town perspective to sheep a read that hard from someone you don't have any town vibes from at all. It is strange, it makes no sense, and he is mafia for it. If that is not enough, take LoneMeow's case, which I think is pretty much a slam dunk case:
On December 10 2014 18:21 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 14:49 Fecalfeast wrote:Can I get a cliffnotes on the xatalos read? This is my post 58 so unless you all start voting me I'm gonna lurk  I could lynch this guy. First posts a large amount of mostly oneliners that aren't pertinent to finding scum, then says he's near the post limit so he's going to lurk. So anti town. There's also this: Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 08:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Also, to waste another post because I think in such fragments, I think this makes 27NB town because the other carol singers (WHO SHOULD NOT CLAIM UNLESS THEY KNOW 27NB IS LYING) can out her at any point since they know who the other masons carol singers are.
##unvote Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 09:10 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 10 2014 09:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On December 10 2014 09:05 liancourt wrote:
where did ninja claim mason I didn't. Oh, ok. I'm a dum dum He dropped his scum read (which I assume was his strongest, given where his vote was) due to the "claim" but didn't reasses the situation in any way once the "claim" was explained to be a misunderstanding. Not what I would expect from a town player in that situation. ##Vote: Fecalfeast
He managed to near his post limit early in day 1 without really doing much of anything other than being snarky and giving one liners. Then there's the still pretty much unaddressed portion of the case about why he didn't reasses his read. He removes his scum read predicated on a claim that wasn't actually a claim, but when she admits it isn't a claim he just keeps on his merry way. Here is his best attempt at addressing it:
On December 11 2014 07:20 Fecalfeast wrote:It'd be playing against win-con to not at least give it the ol' college try. Show nested quote +On December 11 2014 07:07 batsnacks wrote:On December 11 2014 06:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
So can everyone who keeps saying they're going to read me shit or get off the pot? I swear I've been on everyone's 'to read' list for the whole day. You could post about this: On December 10 2014 18:21 LoneMeow wrote:On December 10 2014 14:49 Fecalfeast wrote:Can I get a cliffnotes on the xatalos read? This is my post 58 so unless you all start voting me I'm gonna lurk I could lynch this guy. First posts a large amount of mostly oneliners that aren't pertinent to finding scum, then says he's near the post limit so he's going to lurk. So anti town. There's also this: On December 10 2014 08:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Also, to waste another post because I think in such fragments, I think this makes 27NB town because the other carol singers (WHO SHOULD NOT CLAIM UNLESS THEY KNOW 27NB IS LYING) can out her at any point since they know who the other masons carol singers are.
##unvote On December 10 2014 09:10 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 10 2014 09:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On December 10 2014 09:05 liancourt wrote:
where did ninja claim mason I didn't. Oh, ok. I'm a dum dum He dropped his scum read (which I assume was his strongest, given where his vote was) due to the "claim" but didn't reasses the situation in any way once the "claim" was explained to be a misunderstanding. Not what I would expect from a town player in that situation. ##Vote: Fecalfeast So I didn't reasses the situation because my vote on 27NB was a sheep vote anyway. All I want to do is sheep because I can't be assed to read the thread properly one time, let alone over again, to form a good read. I like vote logic and meta reads and I've not played with half the people in this game before. I play the role of useful idiot as town and I'm not about to deviate from that. That said, I would love to shennanigan onto kush again. Worked once when he lurked all day!
He is pretty much mocking it and claiming to be a "useful" idiot....ain't seen the use yet.
On top of that nearly every person who died during the night had a scum read on him, and after they have died there's nearly 0 pressure on the guy this phase. He is pretty much confirmed scum to me, even more than HF.
Leaning Scum:
Kels - Still pretty much the same read as before:
On December 11 2014 11:12 ritoky wrote:work op, wait what..... Show nested quote +On December 11 2014 03:06 KelsierSC wrote:
Rit and OWS have both done absolutely nothing. OWS just sheeps a read, I can't remember one significant thing rit has done. if someone wants to elaborate on a scum case or town case for these people I will listen and gladly vote. Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 19:08 KelsierSC wrote:
guna add rit to my town circle, his read on ls was pretty spot on and he #trapped ff what happened to that read? you posted my name a total 0 times in your entire filter between when you made a read of me as town for making a good read on LS and trapping ff, WHO YOU THOUGHT WAS SCUM FOR MY REASONS; and then all of the sudden i am scum. because apparently i haven't done anything all game...yet in your filter you like what i did? you don't even mention me in the little blurb, i am just paired with OWS and you talk about OWS. like why am i even in this read? especially when it is contrary to what you previously said. kels just seems like he changed his read because of thread sentiment, not because he actually believes it; hell he doesn't even try to justify the terrible read because he knows it is so terrible. this is not a read town makes at all, he is probably mafia.
He doesn't just magically forget his read on me, he calls me useless, uses part of my read on ff to justify his scum read, then suddenly flips me from town to mafia without a word. On top of that I think Vivax has a reasonable case on him regarding his lack of followup on his ff read and Vivax seems pretty town. I also don't think it would be unreasonable for him to be on a teammate (FF) since I know the other 2 votes on FF were confirmed town.
Light scum vibes:
OWS - I don't think I have ever seen OWS this disengaged in a game before. Outside of that he called the bunnies lynch bad once early on, then he was indifferent toward it later with posts like this:
On December 11 2014 03:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't know how you guys expect to get anything done if you don't sheep.
That's how you make lynches happen.
@kita: I don't really feel particularly strongly about bunnies either way. I think Koshi really hit a nail on the head when he asked if we could produce a towncase on her, and I really don't feel like I can make one. I don't feel like any of the arguments levied against her make her mafia and I like where my vote is right now.
But if nb dies...Meh. That's fine I guess.
On December 11 2014 06:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't really care much for this nb wagon, but I don't really know where else I would deflect the vote.
Just a little out of sorts and character; don't know exactly what to make of him so he has light scum feelings for me.
sicklucker - I am still debating whether I think that was a scum slip when he claimed to know for certain that damdred died from opening the present. his logic surrounding me is murky at best, plus he initially criticized from a place (along with GB) that was based on purely false information. He also did that weird bit at the beginning of the game where he claimed named townie with a present and dumb told that he thought the name of his role all were given the presents. Could have been a ploy as mafia to try and get yourself pretty much confirmed early on. Mostly it is just the scum slip thing though, I am undecided on it as of now; so light scum feelings.
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On December 12 2014 14:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Under normal circumstances I can at least gauge thread atmosphere and get a feel for what mafia is doing, especially since thread atmosphere is my specialty. I just...Can't do it. It's really bothering me.
For starters, can we sit down and explain to me why ritoky is scum? Explain it to me like I'm 5.
I don't really understand this push. Something about him opening his present/a meta case on Holyflare? I'm only vaguely aware of it but people are piling onto him so apparently I missed something big.
Also, that FN case is pretty meh.
From what I can understand of the case against me it is the following:
I tunneled on LS for good reasons, LS did a bunch of stuff and I read him town, I then shifted to FF. People read that as me being bloodthirsty, and they felt my reads were manufactured/exaggerated. Still haven't been told why by a single person even though I have asked probably 10 times by now.
Outside of that HF thinks I am scum because he thinks my read on him is impossible and made up; even though I feel it is fairly convincing.
Some people have also claimed (damdred did I think) I don't follow through on my reads, which...I mean..yeah just look at my filter.
Then the most recent think is people thinking I have scum motivations for announcing I was opening the present I was given right before phase change. I have explained that as mafia I would never open a present with a 1 in 3 shot of killing me when I have tons of kp, and why I felt announcing it was an overall net positive for the town. People think I am either lying (even though GB confirmed he gave me the present) or am scum for whatever reason.
Think that about covers it.
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On December 12 2014 15:21 liancourt wrote:
ritoky what present did you get?
I don't think it is beneficial to claim it at this moment
as mafia as HF is, I kinda agree with him in terms of procedure on this point:
On December 12 2014 10:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 10:00 sicklucker wrote:
[B]##vote ritoky[B/] tell us the wonders of the present because based on the night actions its probably a role check and I dont get why you dont tell us. Why do you keep trying to get this out of him?? Nobody should claim their present till it is used. Stop
Unless you can tell me why it is beneficial in a compelling way to claim it now.
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On December 12 2014 15:43 rsoultin wrote:
Issues w/ Ritoky (some if not all of which have been mentioned before):
- Commenting that one of LS' town reads voted another town read (like that is at all significant)
- Random townread on slam based on...what? meta from a game slam was afk in for rl reasons...yeah, that's strong (ignores this when pointed out to him and continues to read slam as town)
- Keeps reading into comments to claim that ppl are saying they know things that they can't know: i.e. HTS on kush claiming scrooge not considering he was scum, SL on the kill present with Damdred thing, Templar on mafia RB as if it isn't a /possibility/ that mafia might have one
- Nitpicking HTS for froggy in null section for no apparent reason (at least he doesn't explain it if he has one)
- FF read is entirely about FF "sheeping" Ritoky's reasons for scumreading LS (meta) - weak case with so much available
- Nitpicking yet again for froggy in null section, this time in FFs reads, and complains about them all even though FF was specifically asked to make reads on those people
- Move off of LS onto FF seems to coincide with general thread feelings
- Case against HF is almost entirely (if not entirely) meta
- Takes cue from GB about HF still being alive and immediately starts tunneling (after stupid you think i'm mafia exchange with GB)
- 1 in 3 kill chance means nothing when we have no way to confirm that he opened a present, only that he says he did
- if he was town and did open a present only an idiot would claim that to be RBd or killed by mafia the next night, which he refuses to see despite the fact that it's glaringly obvious
So yeah. I'd say that's enough to vote him for. At least it meets my threshold.
1) Oh wow, I posted something you didn't think was significant. Bet I can't find one of those in your filter.
2) Random town read on slam like 5 hrs into the game (no context given this is a recurring problem from you), less town reading slam now but he still leans town.
3) What is wrong with this? It is also reaction testing to see if they fold when they slip up. I backed off of some, didn't others.
4) Calling someone out on a bullshit read is anti-town?
5) What is wrong with my read, it is right above this in its entirety, and FF just said even he understands it. And that guy is mafia.
6) Moved off of LS onto FF who I called scum before anyone else because that was the time when LS returned to the thread and answered questions...was I supposed to start town reading him before he actually responded to anything?
7) My case against HF is good.
8) I attacked HF DURING NIGHT PHASE, factually incorrect.
9) I opened the present, get over it.
10) This is analysis from a perspective of me revealing I was doing it AFTER the flip and AFTER the damdred info. Not before, which was when I actually claimed it. Funny you had 0 problem with it then.
Like....this is seriously terrible. You got anything else that actually is a good point?
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On December 12 2014 15:54 liancourt wrote:
it's obvious you have the kill present or the seer present.
mafia wont take any chance in case you have the seer present so they'll kill you tonight and if you do survive the night town will kill you day 3.
either way you're a dead man ritoky.
why did you claim to have opened a present???? i just don't understand from a town perspective.
what good does it do to town?
again since not a soul seemed to have read this post, that i keep referring people to.
On December 12 2014 08:30 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 08:22 GlowingBear wrote:On December 12 2014 08:20 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:On December 12 2014 08:12 ritoky wrote:On December 12 2014 08:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm gonna read this thread now. And I'm going to hammer mafai.
Btw, lynch ritoky. I gave him the present. But he claimed that he got the present at night, not caring for being roleblocked. Like, lol. ????? I got it at the change of phase, and claimed when I decided I was gonna open it???? what are you smoking? you should know that presents change hands at the end of day phase, it is both in the rules and i confirmed it with the mod lol. The ability you earn can be roleblocked. I just thought you could use it night one instead of using it night 2. It doesn't matter anyway, you just revealed to mafia that you have a role now, which makes no sense for a townie. and opening something unknown that has a 1 in 3 chance to kill you (esp when you have a crap ton of kp) doesn't make much sense as mafia. i can wifom too broski It's not WIFOM, rit. It's just looking through perspectives. I can't understand the psychology of a townie who decides to claim he is going to open the present he received. You don't die night one, then BAM! You obviously got a skill and will be killed/roleblocked night2 if you're town. I can never see town doing that. first, there's no guarantee that there is even a RB in the game (you seem to have not read the rules for a 2nd time). second, in the event i die it can clarify why for town. third, if there is an rb and i eat it, it means there was no rb on potential cop/vigi/doc...which is good. don't see how it is a bad thing to claim it. plus now you know that if you are holding a present, there's a 1 in 2 chance it will kill you if you open it. idk, it does so much net positive imo.
this is why i said it.
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On December 12 2014 16:21 liancourt wrote:no no and no you could have done this at the end of night 2 near the deadline. "Hey guys i opened a present on night 1 and i got a seer present. i'm seering xx." there was absolutely no reason for you to do it now during the day. And i dont' see any reason why you are not revealing what present you have. Show nested quote +don't see how it is a bad thing to claim it. plus now you know that if you are holding a present, there's a 1 in 2 chance it will kill you if you open it. no...if you can deduce from the night outcomes and what SL has said the most logical explanation is that SL gave the death present to damdred and he opened and commited seppuku. If you think otherwise i'd like to hear an explanation as to why you still think there's a death present lying around. I really just dont understand why you'd claim during the day and be a target to mafia during the night.
if i do it not on n1, and i just randomly die; there's no explanation as to why which leaves it a mystery for town. and even worse it wouldn't be a stretch for someone to fake a vigi claim later and claim me as a shot given the thread sentiment of me at the time. that coupled with the positives of me having to eat either a shot from mafia or a rb or both which frees up other power roles is a overall gain scenario.
i didn't do it during the day, i did it right before the night phase change, why is it everyone seems to have their facts wrong in this?
simple scenario for how damdred died: SL passed him a present, he opened it/kept it to pass, it wasn't the sepuku, mafia shot damdred, present is lost. i don't see why that is an unfeasible scenario in the slightest.
as for why i am not claiming which one i have, if there's a roleblocker you're probably right and there's no point to keep it secret. but if there is no roleblocker, then it is beneficial imo to keep it secret.
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EBWOP: by randomly die i mean if my present had been the suicide present
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anywayz, i gotta go to sleep; if you think my play is bad, then whatever, we disagree on the way to play this game.
look at my reads post, which by the way not a single person has commented on.
and look into my accusers who are not trying to develop any reads at all based on interactions or people's opinions/reactions to this information.
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good night
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