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On December 10 2014 10:40 Vivax wrote:
Don't like Kelsier's followup after he claimed to find FF scummy (which was basically no followup), plus he talks too much about Alakaslam for my liking, stating how he gets interesting information from people semi-townreading him and how he gets a freepass. This reads sort of whiny like a scummer who is sad panda cause a troll gets a free pass.
He says it's interesting information but doesn't apply it to his reasoning anywhere, it's supposed to concern 27nb and Damdred since they gave Alakaslam a read.
What he's doing about fecalfeast I don't know. Overall a guy I find difficult (read:tedious) to read and all over the place, spamming townreads on a whim in the later stages of his filter. Could lynch him cause he smells of bullcrap occasionally, like the fecalfeast read with a completely different focus afterwards and the fact he calls the Alakaslam townreads informative without explaining how.
you call me scummy for the plan right here , keep lying dude
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You said you didn't like.it. Which is calling someone scum but giving yourself excuses.
aagain i folllowed up on ff so, not sure why you are determined to throw scum on me.
i cant get the link but ff, Kush ,ls and bats were all in that game. Again you need to question what in would gain from genuinely thinking scrooge should claim.
i need you to reevaluate because it looks like you are determined to throw scum on me, at the moment nb decided she thought i was scummy.
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Here is Kush
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?user=kushm4sta
Here is FF
On November 03 2014 08:20 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 08:10 kushm4sta wrote:
ok i actually read the op. this setup is broken.
non doctor role should claim. then doctor role will just protect the non doctor as he checks everyone. Just checking but what part of the OP did you misread to get this? Every setup possibility has a roleblocker which, even if setup A was 100%, defeats your plan.
here is me
On November 03 2014 09:11 KelsierSC wrote:
Ff is my first town.. Firstly explaining to sentinal about the bh being rng king. And secondly he went back and checked the possible set ups after kush made his pronouncement then he asked kush to explain himself. That is a guy putting in the effort to catch scum.
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On December 11 2014 02:00 Vivax wrote:I found your followup fairly weak cause after scumreading fecal and people giving your argument low weight you preferred to focus on other stuff rather than on trying to start a wagon on him. It's like you were content with just having a read out for some reason rather than actually getting people to follow it. Scum doesn't care if their read has weight in the town as long as people buy their explanations even when they don't agree with it and it looks like they're scumhunting. When I think someone is scum I'll look in their filter for as long as it takes to find the things proving that they are and to convince other people, and when people still don't listen I'll usually get very wordy, or contest the leading lynch. That's how I play town, and how you don't, so I think you're scummy and hence that answers:
That's a fair point but not everyone plays town the same way. I haven't tried to push the ff lynch in people's face, I stated pretty early that I was trying to form my town circle and go from there and I have been doing that, that is how I play d1. The FF read was just something specific that I had planned to do.
So my main issue with your play has been that some of your reads just don't line up with mine, I think you called Koshi mafia/mafiaish, you called Xat mafia and of course you threw scum on me. I think I have projected pretty good town so far, so just surprised I got a scum read. I think some of your cases are weak and I think your timing when you went at me is unfortunate because it came right after NB went on me. You also use the words "strange", "weird" "mafiash" "don't like" which I think is a scum trait.
Then again you do seem to be focused on your Xat lynch and although your case is weak I get the impression you genuinely believe in it. not going to lynch you but I think you might just be incorrect town.
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So i'm nearing my post limit so this might be quite a large one but essentially going to go through my process, put my vote forward and make my case.
I basically looked at this list of players to consider lynching
HTS, Oats,Froggy,OWS,LS,Rit,FF,Tube,27 and Lian
I was pretty happy with the list as it was. So then I go to my town circle and decide where are people looking and who do they suspect mostly because they might be alright and so I narrow my list down to this
OWS, LS, Rit, FF, 27
Froggy had his weird lurker post but he hasn't done enough for me to read him.
I really don't remember Oats doing anything at all, I made a point that I didn't like dam giving him a townread but I'm willing to ride with dam d1 .
Tube like no one seems to suspect him even though his play is really confused. I brought up how he says im bad for town reasons is that I had early fluff , flirted with someone and my scrooge comment. The scrooge thing was already explained to get a read and I gave a lot of solid reads afterwards so saying I'm bad for town. misrepresenting my play.I just hate that kind of shit. His post was also after nb and viv had brought up comments on me, it was like trying to bw on. Then his vote on NB, no vote on Xat , no vote on NB. I would happily break a case here but no one else seems suspicous so not going to waste my vote.
I go to HTS she had her entry with "hey nb I am also town" which I didn't like, then there was the confusion about her votes but that got explained to me. I didn't like her list of everyone as null but on the face of things she isn't overly scummy or memorable again I don't think I could produce a convincing case against her to warrant a vote.
Lian is probably a pedophile but I don't really know what the fuck to do with his play except ignore everything he writes.
So with who is left I think like this
I really think 27 has been the scummiest player in the game. I think she made the early contradiction with the froggypost that was scummy. She then disappeared and came back to throw scum at me with a case on giving town reads. She also gives a weird town read on Viv which she still didn't really explain , just "viv is town because of -link to page" I like the argument that Koshi brought up about her and it is a great accusation.
Then I think, if she flips scum..cool we got a scum. But if she flips town..mafia just say "well she played scummy don't blame me" for that reason I'm not going to vote her and instead i'm going to build a real case and get filter diving.
Rit and OWS have both done absolutely nothing. OWS just sheeps a read, I can't remember one significant thing rit has done. if someone wants to elaborate on a scum case or town case for these people I will listen and gladly vote.
My alternative scum read is FF
So I had my early play with the scrooge comment, From my perspective it was a good read. He was very try hard in the campus day 1.
He then started talking about Sumo stuff with slam. I just think that is an excuse to post without really scum hunting. A scummy trait.
On December 09 2014 09:12 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 09:07 Alakaslam wrote:On December 09 2014 09:03 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 09 2014 08:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Calvin, Calvin, calvin.
Boobs and full length high heels and Jesus was born in summer Constant stream of nothing from you after already saying you're doing it for WIFOM. You'll run out of posts very soon at this rate. Why are you fishing for marley specifically? Thou'rt thick あなたは既にルールを破って、リングの外に辞任した。なぜあなたはまだ戦うためにしようとしている I thought being thick was a prerequisite for sumo. "You are already breaking the rules , resigned to the outside of the ring . Why are trying to order you still fight" No rules were established beforehand but if you don't want to fite I wont force you. I was about to comment on the 27NB post but HF beat me to it. Her 'easy scum read' is in her scum pile because only scum is looking for easy scum reads...
He copies a read, hey I was about to say that. He follows up eventually with his first serious set of reads which is a list post containing mostly null reads or silly reads. e.g. riti - mad
Leon Meow makes this case which I think is great
On December 10 2014 18:21 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 14:49 Fecalfeast wrote:Can I get a cliffnotes on the xatalos read? This is my post 58 so unless you all start voting me I'm gonna lurk  I could lynch this guy. First posts a large amount of mostly oneliners that aren't pertinent to finding scum, then says he's near the post limit so he's going to lurk. So anti town. There's also this: Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 08:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Also, to waste another post because I think in such fragments, I think this makes 27NB town because the other carol singers (WHO SHOULD NOT CLAIM UNLESS THEY KNOW 27NB IS LYING) can out her at any point since they know who the other masons carol singers are.
##unvote Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 09:10 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 10 2014 09:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On December 10 2014 09:05 liancourt wrote:
where did ninja claim mason I didn't. Oh, ok. I'm a dum dum He dropped his scum read (which I assume was his strongest, given where his vote was) due to the "claim" but didn't reasses the situation in any way once the "claim" was explained to be a misunderstanding. Not what I would expect from a town player in that situation. ##Vote: Fecalfeast
He then finally follows up with this vote
On December 10 2014 14:52 Fecalfeast wrote:sheepalfeast rasputin you didnt use the voting thread
Which was just a ninja vote on xatalos and shows a total lack of effort with the game.
##Vote FecalFeast
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So when nb said "i could just claim" i was pretty fucking mad about that but reading it now. Either she is a role or scum right, saying that as vt is just really anti town Imo.
for that reason i don't think she should be the lynch d1 and we should focus other targets now and see exactly what play nb makes d2. Interested to hear more thoughts on my ff read.
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On December 11 2014 04:14 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2014 04:11 KelsierSC wrote:
So when nb said "i could just claim" i was pretty fucking mad about that but reading it now. Either she is a role or scum right, saying that as vt is just really anti town Imo.
for that reason i don't think she should be the lynch d1 and we should focus other targets now and see exactly what play nb makes d2. Interested to hear more thoughts on my ff read.
I am leaning too heavy on scum. Tell me why she might be town. Using her filter.
I can't but she did basically claim a role and I think we get more information if we look elsewhere today and see what nb does d2
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I made a huge case on FF like a few posts ago.
+ Show Spoiler +lian I don't really care what you have to say but she basically claimed a role, i'm not sure if you have been reading the thread
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On December 11 2014 04:26 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2014 00:33 KelsierSC wrote:On December 11 2014 00:30 Koshi wrote:
So yeah.
Please spend time talking about 27nb.
Look at her filter. Look at what she says make sense. Convince me she is town.
Even if you don't believe it yourself. Can somebody make a towncase on her? Some of the people voting on her are a bit suspect in my eyes. Like tubesocks ,weird voting pattern, and HTS Like this post kel is assuming ninja is town for the basis of this argument. Its like kel knows something town doesnt. Kel be scum
I never said nb is town, like...ever. I have said multiple times she is really scummy, in my big post I stated she is the scummiest person in the thread.
My only concern was some of the people voting on her but Kosh made a good point about in a 10p wagon you won't like everyone.
My not voting her is because if we lynch her today, and she is town, we get no information and potentially lynch a role. I think roles often play scummy. I don't like how most people are happy to just sit there and leave their vote on nb without discussing other people or possibilities.
Again you just aren't reading the thread. Can't you just return to making shit posts in spoiler tags. you were more useful.
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On December 11 2014 04:29 liancourt wrote:
Nope ninja posted a vid of carol singers
oh yes this is role claiming
that isn't to do with her role claim.
she actually said in her post "I could just claim"
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ahh post count....I think FF is also really scummy and I want more people to comment on my read of him.
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On December 11 2014 04:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2014 04:11 KelsierSC wrote:
So when nb said "i could just claim" i was pretty fucking mad about that but reading it now. Either she is a role or scum right, saying that as vt is just really anti town Imo.
for that reason i don't think she should be the lynch d1 and we should focus other targets now and see exactly what play nb makes d2. Interested to hear more thoughts on my ff read.
you shouldn't think like this at all because that's exactly what a mafia would want to do so you're telling us that we shouldn't lynch her or put pressure on her on the off chance that she COULD be town??? you're essentially giving someone that has a super high chance of being mafia a free pass because of a possibility she could be town, which doesn't make sense at all, especially when you posted this: Show nested quote +On December 11 2014 04:15 KelsierSC wrote:On December 11 2014 04:14 Koshi wrote:On December 11 2014 04:11 KelsierSC wrote:
So when nb said "i could just claim" i was pretty fucking mad about that but reading it now. Either she is a role or scum right, saying that as vt is just really anti town Imo.
for that reason i don't think she should be the lynch d1 and we should focus other targets now and see exactly what play nb makes d2. Interested to hear more thoughts on my ff read.
I am leaning too heavy on scum. Tell me why she might be town. Using her filter. I can't but she did basically claim a role and I think we get more information if we look elsewhere today and see what nb does d2 you have no reason to town read her... claiming a role is something scum loves to do to survive as that's their main goal, she's been bandwagoned the entire day by multiple people all day and arguably has the MOST information on her flip but you're telling us not to lynch her because she doesn't give us any info on a flip and she has claimed a role??? Show nested quote +On December 11 2014 04:29 liancourt wrote:
Nope ninja posted a vid of carol singers
oh yes this is role claiming oh please as if that wasn't an attempt at some super obvious breadcrumb at being a carol singer "oh yeh guys just randomly while im under pressure im gonna drop this video of me carol singing in college"
Alright I get that idea she wants to survive as mafia I'm not sure if she HAD to claim there as mafia maybe she could have done more to project town , in fairness every town game so far I have basically read the cop as mafia so I am just a bit paranoid. I was working through it in my head and I just thought we got a lot of information if we leave her in the game to claim her "role".
I still think FF is a good lynch though. what do you think hf? kos?
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On December 11 2014 04:39 liancourt wrote:
Kel u arent reacting to minor pressure very well resorting to making insults. Has it unruffled ur feathers that i m beginning to start playing the game for real and i caught u?
Ur implying ninja is town in ur posts and yet u say ninja is the scummiest person in the thread. What are u trying to say why are u fence hogging?
+ Show Spoiler +you aren't reading the thread properly. I never implied ninja is town I brought up the fact she claimed a role.
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So I'm going to give how I read this whole situation.
My analysis later on for not voting nb was in part due to this role soft she did,
Explicitly the comment "I am going to have to claim". I don't believe the video was a role claim at all.
So with that comment I think ok that is scum or a pretty important power role. Like she is going to claim vigi or something that means we look elsewhere.
Then she comes back to the thread and says, "i've been at exams getting ready for work etc" ok but then she claims the disgruntled worker, like that just doesn't make any sense to elude that claiming your role will take the lynch off you when that is your role.
Then I look at her reads. I think she has me and FF both as scum even though I call FF my top scum and vote on him. Then she has me at 80% mafia even though she calls her own case weak. She doesn't seem to bother looking at Xat even though viv who was her top town has made this their exclusive push. Then SL is suddenly the lynch.
It all seems desperate and kind of like mafia who has given up.
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I forgot I had you in my town circle rit but with a big list of players sometimes one slips through, I had you early town and then I can't remember anything else you did so you probably slipped my mind. How you ended up in that final checklist? So when I went and looked through who my town circle didn't like, I saw you were scumread or weren't liked by Koshi,Templar and hf so that meant I put you in the list to consider.
As for the other scum arguments. It seems pretty weak, FF was a scum read of mine and I presented a strong case against him. The reason I brought up my discomfort with the nb vote was due to my belief she was going to role claim and I thought we could get a lot of information from that, I think I explained my thought process there pretty well. When she claimed DGW and kind of gave up I analysed her play very well and called her scummy again.
On December 11 2014 06:36 KelsierSC wrote:
So I'm going to give how I read this whole situation.
My analysis later on for not voting nb was in part due to this role soft she did,
Explicitly the comment "I am going to have to claim". I don't believe the video was a role claim at all.
So with that comment I think ok that is scum or a pretty important power role. Like she is going to claim vigi or something that means we look elsewhere.
Then she comes back to the thread and says, "i've been at exams getting ready for work etc" ok but then she claims the disgruntled worker, like that just doesn't make any sense to elude that claiming your role will take the lynch off you when that is your role.
Then I look at her reads. I think she has me and FF both as scum even though I call FF my top scum and vote on him. Then she has me at 80% mafia even though she calls her own case weak. She doesn't seem to bother looking at Xat even though viv who was her top town has made this their exclusive push. Then SL is suddenly the lynch.
It all seems desperate and kind of like mafia who has given up.
Saying that "i didn't vote her because I knew she would flip town" just isn't true, I called her scummy repeatedly, and it shows a lack of understanding and reading from some people in the thread. If I am paranoid about killing a role and want to consider other options, that is town not mafia.
I really shouldn't be the person to look at, I'll be back , to talk about ff and my analysis of the votes etc.
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On December 11 2014 21:06 Xatalos wrote:
So it was more like a list of people to recheck or something? I thought you said you'd be willing to lynch those people.
yeh it was, I had a list of basically everyone who wasn't in my town circle ( I forgot rit was in it) Then I narrowed it down and one of the criteria was I looked at who my town circle was suspicous of. They didn't like rit so he was added to the possible lynch targets. I basically forgot he was in my town circle because after my initial town read I don't recall anything else that he did and there are a lot of players in the game.
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EBWOP - It was a lynch of people I would lynch
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Yep I did, but I just forgot he was in my town circle, as I said the player list is long and he didn't really do anything afterwards.
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Been in hospital again ,
out today so can have a read through and make a post
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Sorry guys ive been in hospital since n1 , i haven't caught up and im doped up.
my reasoning and vote for ff is in my filter
##vote Fecalfeast
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