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On December 10 2014 10:32 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 10:06 kitaman27 wrote:
I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying. I'm not asking if FF's post about tube is valid.
I'm asking why the same exact reasoning could apply to two players, yet he draws a town read on one and a scum read on the other. I know you're not really asking me, but I think it's more a judgement on good/bad play versus town/scum. FF hasn't decided how bad I am yet, he's already labelled LS bad. I know LS was D1 killed in 2 games one of which he was the cop and still claimed but while I was reading it, I thought his play was so scummy he fake claimed. (Course someone CC'd and really sealed his fate). So, if I were in FF's shoe's I'd judge Tubesack town/scum, but then just dismiss LS completely. This is what I'm doing basically, I think LS is a plynch. I'd rather find a scummy player than kill LS who's just as likely to flip town as not.
...you're judging yourself? In 2nd person? That's...different. Also I get the feeling you just said LS sucks at playing so should be ignored (at least for now). Is that more or less what you were driving at here?
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On December 10 2014 10:42 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 10:36 rsoultin wrote:
...you're judging yourself? In 2nd person? That's...different. Also I get the feeling you just said LS sucks at playing so should be ignored (at least for now). Is that more or less what you were driving at here? Yes, exactly.
I think I phrased it as "new and learning" but I agree. Nitpicking him is pointless at this stage.
So is nitpicking tube. Let the guy get his sea legs a little first before you start scumreading him like he actually knows how to play scum @Vivax.
Speaking of Vivo la Vida Loca...you're definitely coming across as lazy in those reads. Still. Same opinion on 27NB, by the way, or has anything changed?
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On December 10 2014 11:35 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 10:55 rsoultin wrote:On December 10 2014 10:42 Tubesock wrote:On December 10 2014 10:36 rsoultin wrote:
...you're judging yourself? In 2nd person? That's...different. Also I get the feeling you just said LS sucks at playing so should be ignored (at least for now). Is that more or less what you were driving at here? Yes, exactly. I think I phrased it as "new and learning" but I agree. Nitpicking him is pointless at this stage. So is nitpicking tube. Let the guy get his sea legs a little first before you start scumreading him like he actually knows how to play scum @Vivax. Speaking of Vivo la Vida Loca...you're definitely coming across as lazy in those reads. Still. Same opinion on 27NB, by the way, or has anything changed? Lazy in overall lookout at the game maybe, as in I didn't yet analyse everyone thoroughly. And lazy by my standards, it will improve as more information becomes available. It's just tiring to wade through all the shit some people write, only to realize it's either gibberish, uninteresting or straight offtopic. I'm here to play mafia and not to read dumb posts, so I try to make mine high quality, which I feel I've been doing and not been lazy with, so I don't really see where you're coming from by saying I'm coming across as lazy when multiple people have expressed quite the opposite. I can buy 27nb's explanation of her meaning iffy as null, so I'm looking in different places. As said by me but unmentioned by you, I wrote my train of thought regarding Kelsier which I would like you to address. Calling what I did regarding tube nitpicking is quite the stretch given that I haven't been replying to his posts in such a way but rather talked to kita about him and mostly simply explained what I didn't like about his posts. Overall I find you to be weirdly hostile in your posting and depiction of my play. Is there a particular reason?
Yesterday you read fine, though roundabout. More words =/= better. 27NB read/recap lolworthy. "Let me compare her to me." Though other people were comparing the two of you, unnecessary. Given your initial reason for pursuing 27NB, it's a good sign you reevaluated, however. (That was the main purpose behind my post, seeing where you stood now.)
BS on tube. You've written more than him on anyone for him asking other people he think may be town why they think differently than him.
Kelsier read is a bunch of repeating yourself about his issue with Alakaslam being townread and a cameo of FF. Not well-developed for such a long post.
And as for how I post...it's only odd if you haven't read my other posts. You're not special, vivo.
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On December 10 2014 12:00 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 20:42 Xatalos wrote:First things first, this really disturbed me: On December 09 2014 08:46 KelsierSC wrote:
So i have noticed something with this set up. If you are scrooge just claim.
On December 09 2014 08:55 KelsierSC wrote:
Ah ignore my scrooge comment i misread one of the roles Something like this is really dangerous to say because it might actually out the blue role in the worst case. And the fast backtrack indicates that there wasn't any real thought behind this "plan". However, it appears that it was just a reaction test: On December 09 2014 09:33 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 09 2014 09:30 KelsierSC wrote:
So i think fecal is scum, we played a game together as town and early game he was very try hard, essentially Kush made a set up/mechanics comment and fecal went back to the setup, worked through all the permutations and then asked Kush to explain. Super town super eager.
this game i make a set up comment, then retract it and ff doesn't bat n eyelid. All he does is talk to slam about sumo. Which is pretty pointless. Like "herez an excuse nit to scumhunt" it doesn't feel towny at all I don't expect you to have read my other town games but I've gotten exponentially worse as town. GB do you have a comment on the current votes or discussion? It actually seems like KSC could believe what he's saying here. The way he goes after Fecalfeast after executing his "master plan" feels genuine enough. So I'd tentatively put KSC in the town camp. I sure hope that Mafia didn't somehow find the Scrooge because of this though. This looks so fake given that I have the exactly opposite feeling to the bolded. First, it's completely pointless to discuss that plan, and saying it was a reaction test is completely pulled out of Xata's bum cause it wasn't, hence, it's most likely some invented reason to justify a town read on Kelsier. Kelsier said he misread something, and THEN used it to form a read on FF, which Second: he afterwards didn't push (instead he discusses a multitude of other things and here and there he asks FF a question of which I don't see the results). Just cause of this Xata belongs into my naughty list.
Better reason for suspecting Kelsier bolded.
Reasons for Xata associative BS. Someone can think opposite of you and not be scum.
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On December 10 2014 12:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 12:01 rsoultin wrote:On December 10 2014 11:35 Vivax wrote:On December 10 2014 10:55 rsoultin wrote:On December 10 2014 10:42 Tubesock wrote:On December 10 2014 10:36 rsoultin wrote:
...you're judging yourself? In 2nd person? That's...different. Also I get the feeling you just said LS sucks at playing so should be ignored (at least for now). Is that more or less what you were driving at here? Yes, exactly. I think I phrased it as "new and learning" but I agree. Nitpicking him is pointless at this stage. So is nitpicking tube. Let the guy get his sea legs a little first before you start scumreading him like he actually knows how to play scum @Vivax. Speaking of Vivo la Vida Loca...you're definitely coming across as lazy in those reads. Still. Same opinion on 27NB, by the way, or has anything changed? Lazy in overall lookout at the game maybe, as in I didn't yet analyse everyone thoroughly. And lazy by my standards, it will improve as more information becomes available. It's just tiring to wade through all the shit some people write, only to realize it's either gibberish, uninteresting or straight offtopic. I'm here to play mafia and not to read dumb posts, so I try to make mine high quality, which I feel I've been doing and not been lazy with, so I don't really see where you're coming from by saying I'm coming across as lazy when multiple people have expressed quite the opposite. I can buy 27nb's explanation of her meaning iffy as null, so I'm looking in different places. As said by me but unmentioned by you, I wrote my train of thought regarding Kelsier which I would like you to address. Calling what I did regarding tube nitpicking is quite the stretch given that I haven't been replying to his posts in such a way but rather talked to kita about him and mostly simply explained what I didn't like about his posts. Overall I find you to be weirdly hostile in your posting and depiction of my play. Is there a particular reason? Yesterday you read fine, though roundabout. More words =/= better. 27NB read/recap lolworthy. "Let me compare her to me." Though other people were comparing the two of you, unnecessary. Given your initial reason for pursuing 27NB, it's a good sign you reevaluated, however. (That was the main purpose behind my post, seeing where you stood now.) BS on tube. You've written more than him on anyone for him asking other people he think may be town why they think differently than him. Kelsier read is a bunch of repeating yourself about his issue with Alakaslam being townread and a cameo of FF. Not well-developed for such a long post. And as for how I post...it's only odd if you haven't read my other posts. You're not special, vivo. It's not the more words, it's the fact I try to play this game like a machine. Got no place for jokes, only for reads and reasons, which is what every good townie should be doing in a game with posting restriction. I think you don't understand what nitpicking means. In the context of this game, it means for example that you write a case, and I only address a little part of it and not the whole picture. But the whole picture of that post by tube is what bothered me, and I explained what I didn't like about the single parts. Overall it gave me the feeling of a scum entrance. However my opinion of tube so far changed into rather townie cause of what he wrote here: Show nested quote +
I'm pretty intimidated by a few of the players. They just seem like all they have to do is put up a big post (Templur) and bam I feel they are super towny.
Which in my opinion shows a townie mindset, cause he openly reflects about how a read of his forms when he sees something, and questions it at the same time. Shows that he's really thinking about the game so I'm putting him into the townpile for now. Kelsier's read is more than that since he claims that he can gain information from townreads on Kaslam but doesn't actually provide it, or say what it is. His pursuit of Fecalfeast is too sporadic for an early scumread. Why are you downplaying this so hard.
Fair enough on tube. Kind of weird that one sentence changed your mind, but since it should have -shrugs-.
Your read on Kelsier is good like that. I can actually understand what you're saying now. I wasn't downplaying your read so much as saying you were over-explaining it without saying anything new.
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@Viva
On December 09 2014 09:30 KelsierSC wrote:
So i think fecal is scum, we played a game together as town and early game he was very try hard, essentially Kush made a set up/mechanics comment and fecal went back to the setup, worked through all the permutations and then asked Kush to explain. Super town super eager.
this game i make a set up comment, then retract it and ff doesn't bat n eyelid. All he does is talk to slam about sumo. Which is pretty pointless. Like "herez an excuse nit to scumhunt" it doesn't feel towny at all
Whether you believe KSC or not, Xata did not pull the "reaction test" thing out of his ass. I personally don't approve of this move and might even call it scummy, given a dumb scrooge might have fallen for it, but whatevs. Says nothing about Xata.
If you want a read on someone, ask.
@Damdred...seems more lazy than scummy to me, the Templar post. Unless you're telling me he isn't usually fluffy (which considering his silly Santa stories, you'd think that would have raised a red flag by now with those of you who have played with him before). He asked a few good questions in the text wall.
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On December 10 2014 12:38 Vivax wrote:
As in, he didn't do that to get a reaction out of volition, he just spontaneously did so afterwards. But Xata somehow says it was out of volition, so it would fit more into his reasoning for him getting a townread cause typically a reaction test is something townies are more likely to do.
I see your point, since KSC claims to have misread rather than fished. Xatalos didn't stand out to me, apart from bringing the discussion back to points that had been beaten to death already. I.e. froggy, hts, 27nb. I wouldn't vote him for being wishy-washy and imprecise, though. He seems to be willing to reassess his reads...though I didn't look at the filter in context, so if the reassessments are actually sheeping, that would be a different story. Null for now.
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Here's a question for the players present. Glowingbear. Thoughts and feelings?
May be normal for him, but the big steaming pile of null he's contributed to the thread so far almost makes me want to switch my vote. Not buying the Joyless Child claim either. SL is a hyperactive goober. Glowingbear should know better than thinking he could both confirm his towniness by sending a present, that said present would be received at a different time than SLs, and that the presents have any bearing whatsoever on a player's alignment.
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On December 10 2014 13:02 Vivax wrote:Then, what gave me more confidence is the matter of his read evolution on 27nb: December 09 2014 12:42.: Show nested quote +
Regarding 27ninjabunnies, there are two reasons that make me think she might be town:
1) She easily gathered a ton of votes and the rest of the votes have been scattered around everywhere. This makes me think that the Mafia team is supporting her lynch or at the very least content with it. If that wasn't the case, I think her wagon would have been a bit weaker or at least there would be a competing wagon. Right now it just looks like 27ninjabunnies is heading to be lynched and the Mafia team is happy / doesn't care about it.
2) If Half the Sky is Mafia, I feel it's quite unlikely that 27ninjabunnies is Mafia as well. Pre-flip association, I know, but I don't think scum Half the Sky would easily pile on a scum 27ninjabunnies wagon or that she would first start casually discussing with 27ninjabunnies and refer to her as town.
So I don't really think 27ninjabunnies is a good lynch for these reasons.
December 09 2014 14:02: Show nested quote +I agree that 27ninjabunnies doesn't look good. She also does have more fluff than you. Fluff in itself isn't so bad though, in my opinion. What I was more concerned about is that your posts seem to maintain some appearance of relevance without really having much (if any), whereas 27ninjabunnies has more fluff that's clearly just useless. Generally I've noticed that Mafia tend to make posts more along the lines of your posting style.
December 09 2014 19:54. Show nested quote +I guess 27ninjabunnies isn't a bad lynch at this rate. It's hard to find anything towny about her other than the easy wagon. December 09 2014 22:02: Show nested quote +Maybe I was wrong about HTS. She seems to be actively doing stuff for now so it could be too hasty to lynch her. 27ninjabunnies on the other hand, doesn't look any better than earlier. Mainly for the fact that she defended froggy and then put him on her scumlist anyway when pressured. And townread the people who had stances against her own. Basically just meaningless listing contradicting her other posts. It could be that the scumteam merely doesn't have that much thread presence or is bussing her.
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##Vote 27ninjabunnies Like, this doesn't make ANY sense. The reasons for her being scum were there from the start, yet all dismissed just cause so many people found them good and cause of the associative thingy. And when 27nb comes back at December 09 2014 18:07, to explain that iffy for her means null, Xata skips over it in his next posts to progressively get closer to lynching her as his traction on HTS loses strength. It is a BIG deal whether iffy means scummy or means null in someone's opinion. Obviously you can't verify it for sure if it's just an excuse or the truth, but at least it takes some wind out of the former arguments. And at the time when the arguments against bunnies were the strongest, Xata found some very questionable reasons for townreading her. When the time comes where the arguments against bunnies should be put into question given her explanation, he ignores the new information and joins the wagon based on the old information, using it as the main argument. Also notice the use of the word "fluff". "Fluff" in this game has been literally dropping down from the sky from a multitude of players, and I don't see how Xata applies it so selectively to only these two players. I don't want to count the amount of the word "fluff", between being used as bulk of his case against HTS, to being differentiated into useless fluff and fluff with usefuleness (or something like that), to be called "not so bad in itself". The use of the word fluff in here is mostly just an excuse to scumread people or not on a whim and completely arbitrary. You can't measure the amount of fluff, and it has to be seen in context. When HTS posted fluff in her first post, it was scummy. Ninjabunnies had more fluff initially, but it wasn't so bad in itself.Why? Cause more people voted her! Clearly Xata has a blatant double standard here, and the read on NB should progress in the opposite way, if he had rolled town.
Dude, you're either reading your timestamps wrong or thinking that no one will check. Xatalos has not posted a single thing since 27nb returned. His vote was made before then. Nearly the entirety of your Xatalos' 27nb read case hinges on the notion that Xatalos is ignoring 27nb redefining the word "iffy". You do realize that when you quote, it timestamps the time that you quoted the person?
If she hadn't returned by the time he reconsidered HTS (who had been contributing more to the thread at that point)...eh, weak sauce. I'm not jumping on this wagon any more than I did the 27nb one.
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EBWOP:
It doesn't timestamp the time you quoted the person. It does do something funky though, cause my quote of you is reading tomorrow at 13:02 on my post up above, lol.
Context is important.
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On December 10 2014 12:51 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 12:38 Vivax wrote:
As in, he didn't do that to get a reaction out of volition, he just spontaneously did so afterwards. But Xata somehow says it was out of volition, so it would fit more into his reasoning for him getting a townread cause typically a reaction test is something townies are more likely to do. I see your point, since KSC claims to have misread rather than fished. Xatalos didn't stand out to me, apart from bringing the discussion back to points that had been beaten to death already. I.e. froggy, hts, 27nb. I wouldn't vote him for being wishy-washy and imprecise, though. He seems to be willing to reassess his reads...though I didn't look at the filter in context, so if the reassessments are actually sheeping, that would be a different story. Null for now.
1. You're wrong. I clearly did give a read here, even if it wasn't one you agreed with.
2. Took the time to actually check what you were saying, because it did hold water provided the timeline you presented was true.
3. Instead of double-checking yourself you're pretending like it's insignificant, when the main point of your read was that his read on 27nb was developing the "opposite" way that it should.
Really, though I'm not fond of KSC either, I'm beginning to consider you as scum for being so determined to find reasons to push a weak lynch without taking the time to consider opposing viewpoints.
I've considered yours. xP
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On December 10 2014 14:35 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 12:51 rsoultin wrote:On December 10 2014 12:38 Vivax wrote:
As in, he didn't do that to get a reaction out of volition, he just spontaneously did so afterwards. But Xata somehow says it was out of volition, so it would fit more into his reasoning for him getting a townread cause typically a reaction test is something townies are more likely to do. I see your point, since KSC claims to have misread rather than fished. Xatalos didn't stand out to me, apart from bringing the discussion back to points that had been beaten to death already. I.e. froggy, hts, 27nb. I wouldn't vote him for being wishy-washy and imprecise, though. He seems to be willing to reassess his reads...though I didn't look at the filter in context, so if the reassessments are actually sheeping, that would be a different story. Null for now. 1. You're wrong. I clearly did give a read here, even if it wasn't one you agreed with. 2. Took the time to actually check what you were saying, because it did hold water provided the timeline you presented was true. 3. Instead of double-checking yourself you're pretending like it's insignificant, when the main point of your read was that his read on 27nb was developing the "opposite" way that it should. Really, though I'm not fond of KSC either, I'm beginning to consider you as scum for being so determined to find reasons to push a weak lynch without taking the time to consider opposing viewpoints. I've considered yours. xP
Meh, you're right. I'm the one who misread the timestamps. Bunnie's "iffy" clarification did come before that...she had about a 6 hour difference between her first post today and the rest of them. My bad.
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Heh, I don't have to agree with anyone to prove I'm town, and you in particular do not intimidate me, Vivax. I think you made a good catch here. If I didn't I wouldn't have taken the time to try to verify it, even if I did make a mistake in doing so. I think this is a better case than OWS.
I still want to hear what people think of Glowingbear. Especially those who have played with him before. Is he always this...absent when he plays?
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On December 10 2014 14:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 14:35 rsoultin wrote:On December 10 2014 12:51 rsoultin wrote:On December 10 2014 12:38 Vivax wrote:
As in, he didn't do that to get a reaction out of volition, he just spontaneously did so afterwards. But Xata somehow says it was out of volition, so it would fit more into his reasoning for him getting a townread cause typically a reaction test is something townies are more likely to do. I see your point, since KSC claims to have misread rather than fished. Xatalos didn't stand out to me, apart from bringing the discussion back to points that had been beaten to death already. I.e. froggy, hts, 27nb. I wouldn't vote him for being wishy-washy and imprecise, though. He seems to be willing to reassess his reads...though I didn't look at the filter in context, so if the reassessments are actually sheeping, that would be a different story. Null for now. 1. You're wrong. I clearly did give a read here, even if it wasn't one you agreed with. 2. Took the time to actually check what you were saying, because it did hold water provided the timeline you presented was true. 3. Instead of double-checking yourself you're pretending like it's insignificant, when the main point of your read was that his read on 27nb was developing the "opposite" way that it should. Really, though I'm not fond of KSC either, I'm beginning to consider you as scum for being so determined to find reasons to push a weak lynch without taking the time to consider opposing viewpoints. I've considered yours. xP You still only talk about a little part of my case on Xata, plus you don't mention what kita said. It's like you have an agenda of putting stones into my way without actually being interested into figuring out Xatalos, cause then you would weigh in every piece of information. If you're a town with such a trash attitude, go troll somewhere else. What about his argument with the wagon first being mafia driven cause bunnies is town, then being mafia driven cause she's being bussed? Is that something a townie is able to say without knowing ANY alignment? What about his strange stance on fluff, and how he applies a different weight to it all the time? And the main point, if he had a townread on bunnies previously, why is he so eager to skip over her explanation? FTFY: Show nested quote +
I'm beginning to consider you as scum for being so determined to find reasons to push a weak lynch without taking the time to consider opposing viewpoints giving in to a guy who tries to paint your arguments shit whenever he can when he has nothing better to offer anyway.
Don't find the other points that significant by themselves. That's why I focused on the one that actually focused on the one that made sense to me: namely, that he voted her after she explained the only real issue he had with her early posting.
Firstly, he said it was possible that she could be town, which as far as I know is not a townread. Second, I do not understand his fluff comment. It seemed to suggest that because she was fluffing so much for no reason and a mafia would know better than to look that way (WIFOM) he was more concerned about HTS' fluff. Third, the wagon thing is all based on poor logic, from whichever perspective, but I can see why someone might come to that conclusion. It would make more sense if there was only one wagon at the end of Day1 however.
The only point I agree reads actually scummy is the one that depends on whether or not he saw her defense.
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On December 10 2014 14:52 Fecalfeast wrote:sheepalfeast rasputin you didnt use the voting thread
I will actually use a post here to thank you for reminding me, and also with the timestamp explanation. @.@ We were shooting ahead in time, lol.
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On December 10 2014 14:58 Vivax wrote:
Let's say GB was the towniest guy in the last game I played with him, and he was scum. Super active and to the point since the start of D1, aggressively pushing his "reads". Half the town was afk but still, he was a super tryhard scummer and I totes misread him.
Cba to read him thoroughly atm, if you want you can point me to the interesting bits that warrant a read.
The interesting bits...he's got a 4-page filter (excluding the page before the game) and I can barely remember what he's said. Several non-essential posts about being bored, not reading, etc.
That said, going back through I do actually see more reads/probing questions than I remembered, primarily dealing with Templar.
I'm trying to determine if he should be taken at face value or not.
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On December 10 2014 19:31 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 19:06 LoneMeow wrote:
Why did you vote Xatalos after saying you don't understand the wagon and essentially making a light push on the opposing wagon? I was pissed. I'm still mad. Once Koshi responded that my post was completely worthless due to the claim which I missed. I reverted to my previous read of Viv and sheeped him. I calmed down a bit and thought about my scum read on Obi, my uncertainty about Rasputin, and realized that all through their talk about Xatas they never cited NB as a claimed role. So, I ninja'd back my vote to 27NB.
Why would we? NB never claimed a role. If she did and I missed it, please link. There was a miscommunication involving a caroling vid, but she flat out said that was not a claim.
That list is getting way more attention than necessary. It was never that important to begin with, and if she says that iffy was meant as null and people to look at was meant as scum, then fine. She should know. Regardless, it should raise enough doubt to get those of you who are hyper-focusing (and have been from the start) on froggy and NB cause it's convenient and they were the first to draw attention to take a step back and actually look at some of the other players in the game.
The point that she is not as strong a scum case as before does call into question Xatalos' decision to vote her when he wasn't comfortable with it before. Maybe he has no other scum reads (kinda scary), but if so, he has time to defend himself.
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@Xata
Dude, give me something non-reactionary. Why, of all the people here, were your only scum reads HTS and 27nb? If they were your strongest scum reads, why? OWS is obviously scummy, of course, no matter how many times he's townread me, but your play only makes sense if you have no one else you think could be scum. I find that hard to believe.
The 27nb push is weak. Back up your push, prove to me it's strong with or without her list clarification (where you are claiming that she had a section specifically labeled "null" when she didn't), and I will change my vote on you. Or at least show why you think she's a better lynch than players like OWS and FF, liancourt, or me even. xP
That's my issue with you. All the other stuff Vivax said wasn't strong by itself, as I've already mentioned.
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On December 10 2014 22:42 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 22:42 rsoultin wrote:On December 10 2014 19:31 Tubesock wrote:On December 10 2014 19:06 LoneMeow wrote:
Why did you vote Xatalos after saying you don't understand the wagon and essentially making a light push on the opposing wagon? I was pissed. I'm still mad. Once Koshi responded that my post was completely worthless due to the claim which I missed. I reverted to my previous read of Viv and sheeped him. I calmed down a bit and thought about my scum read on Obi, my uncertainty about Rasputin, and realized that all through their talk about Xatas they never cited NB as a claimed role. So, I ninja'd back my vote to 27NB. Why would we? NB never claimed a role. If she did and I missed it, please link. There was a miscommunication involving a caroling vid, but she flat out said that was not a claim. That list is getting way more attention than necessary. It was never that important to begin with, and if she says that iffy was meant as null and people to look at was meant as scum, then fine. She should know. Regardless, it should raise enough doubt to get those of you who are hyper-focusing (and have been from the start) on froggy and NB cause it's convenient and they were the first to draw attention to take a step back and actually look at some of the other players in the game. The point that she is not as strong a scum case as before does call into question Xatalos' decision to vote her when he wasn't comfortable with it before. Maybe he has no other scum reads (kinda scary), but if so, he has time to defend himself. So whats your read on Xata now?
Eh, I don't really have the time to answer this, to be honest. You can see it sprinkled through my other posts. I'll try to be back in enough time to change my vote if it's warranted, but gotta work. Ciao.
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I see compelling (or at least more compelling) arguments from others on NB, Xatalos, but not from you. In fact I'd say your case on OWS was stronger. Which begs the question...why NB more than anyone else? Regardless, i only had a little time on my lunch break to read. I'm comfortable with my vote as it stands.
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