EPTTL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells - Page 3
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On December 10 2014 07:30 Damdred wrote: You called groggy out on his post haven't even responded to the other things he's said that evaporated into the air. Light scrum read on 27nb I believe (could be wrong) you haven't really mentioned her return or subsequent lurking since. We both know how vivax plays scrum he deserves pressure for being so ask... You just seem to gravitate towards the easy targets and not sticking your hand into any other issues that are up which is weird for you since generally you are involved in everything as town. froggy = groggy? how is he one of these "high priority targets" i am supposed to be pursuing, guy has like 4 posts. he contradicted himself early on a point that makes 0 sense, so i applied pressure. all he has done is vehemently defend that he was in the right in a place where he is clearly in the wrong; i have scum read people i haven't played with in the past for crap like this before and it didn't pan out. withholding full judgment until he actually posts something; currently in the donkey leaning mafia pile. i think a major point about ppl's case on 27nb is from a place of lacking understanding about my and 27nb's relationship. you need to understand that we basically started playing on these forums together at pretty much the same time, we have played nearly every game together, and we literally have the worst most dumpster tier reads on eachother. furthermore, from past games how i got my read on her was fake claiming cop with a red check on her and messing with her entire game; and how she would get hers on me is by calling me scum early and putting vote pressure on me. so the whole "she voted ritoky without explanation" line of thought is crap. it is a way she tries to get a read on me, and it is also kinda a thing between friends imo (especially given the time in the day it was made). as for if she is scum? idk i have a crap tier read on her, but the fact that there's 0 legitimate push for a counterwagon and a nearly 0 number of people defending her would lead me to believe she is leaning town. as for your comments on vivax, i think i have played less than 3 games with the guy and none of them are particularly memorable, so no...i don't have a firm memory of how he plays as scum. and re: your last bit, i am a tunneler on day 1 you should know that by now | ||
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On December 10 2014 08:14 Damdred wrote: I will give you, your last point I do realize and know it's true. Yea auto correct got me. However there wasn't much of a push by you. I am struggling with you rit, I don't think you should probably be lynched your at least trying and giving answers. Well no1 else seems to see what I see in ff, like you're not even responding to his reads post, which is all kindsa messed up and worthless. On December 10 2014 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote: rasputin, null/scum: His filter has a lot of questioning other people's logic and poking at people who aren't fighting back. His push on OWS and saying the thread should back off HTS/27NB+ Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=35#691 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=35#699 + Show Spoiler + On December 09 2014 22:15 rsoultin wrote: LS, bud, you're gonna make me push you again. Why you reading other games and not this thread? Plug in or butt out. froggy, null: less than a page including pregame, his second post in-game is 20 hours after his first and is still talking about policy lynches and explaining his first post. Then makes an excuse to AFK again even though multiple people are on him. Not a lot to go on unless 27NB flips since she was defending him. Obi, scum/null: Lurker obi is still scary to me and most of his filter so far can be summed up as OMGUS with a hint of random 'pressure' batsnacks, ???: He makes a vote on templar for not sticking to his RNG and calls him out for saying it's silly when he started it. He says HTS made a contradiction too, but when he gets asked why he ninjavoted bunnies he says + Show Spoiler + On December 09 2014 10:03 batsnacks wrote: Damdred I went back and looked and it looks like HTS and vivax have similar stances. For reasons I'm having trouble explaining, I thought HTS was scummy and I thought vivax was null. Maybe it's how they explained it. Vivax was more explicit. There's like 4 people I want to vote right now though. And I originally voted NB for the useless bra discussion. So he's not a fan of useless discussion? What about all the useless shit lian posted? I'm not sure where batsnacks' head is at he makes multiple posts on why HTS is contradictory but when HF tells him no all he says is 'true that' and votes 27NB again. Then asking for a list post? probably null/scum as well but I don't know. ritoky, mad: His first page is a lot of one-liners and retorts but the second I show I haven't been reading his posts he jumps on me like I insulted his mother. Not sure if that's alignment indicative but it sure is funny. LoneMeow, town: His only page of filter has more content than most of the people I have checked so far, he explains his reads and asks decent questions. ezpz townread for me Tubesack, null/town?: I'm not sure how I feel about a brand new player having such elaborate reads and checking other threads. On the one hand it's towny that he's trying so hard but on the other, I don't know if he's a natural tryhard or is getting a lot of help from a scum QT. If I had to read him without paranoia, he is town just because I'd never take notes as scum and I love playing scum. Let's really look into this: he gave us his updated reads and all of them are null except 1, which is town. now break them down individually: rsoultin - i don't even know where he draws this line of thought from. the actual content of the read isn't awful until you get to the end where he makes this giant unflipped association with no real substance behind it...like i don't even know? either pushing scum or tmi or something. there's just something funky smelling. also that bit at the end seems to indicate that he now thinks LS is town or knows LS is town, when his last post about LS was that he thought LS was mafia. froggy - why is this read even here, it does nothing obi - read is okay enough, would prefer example but i got no probs with it batsnacks - again why is this read even here. you find it strange, well that's cool; tell me what strange means to you. i find strange on day 1 to mean mafia. seems like he really doesn't want to commit. ritoky - trying to stir the pot lonemeow - this is the most bizarre read to me even though it is the most committed. like why do you have this read on LM yet not the EXACT SAME READ on koshi or vivax or people like that? they are also high content, low post count people. they are asking questions and giving reads, why are you not applying your standards to them as well? tube - epitome of his stances thus far: "i am not sure how i feel" he seems to be trying to ride the middle way too hard and is non-committal as all hell, his LS read is off in the middle of nowhere all the sudden even though it is apparently integral to his rasputin read. i just can't see this guy acting from a town perspective, and not a single person has told me why he is yet, even though i have been asking non-stop. | ||
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On December 10 2014 08:33 batsnacks wrote: @ritoky I'm pretty sure someone asked FF for reads on those specific people. oh i guess kita did, missed that; doesn't change that i think the reads are crap lol. | ||
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On December 10 2014 08:43 batsnacks wrote: Maybe you could add to your case that FF responding to kitaman in the way he did is not consistent with his "idgaf" attitude toward others. If FF doesn't have strong reads, wouldn't it be more consistent of him to just say "fuck off" rather than spending so much time writing weak reads? i think it's more townie of him to respond directly to kita. why he takes kita seriously and not me is a good question. the quality of his reads is bad and i don't like them in the slightest so that is scummy. and the fact that he devoted so much time to null reads on people when he can't muster his strong reads anywhere else leans scummy to me as well. so overall it nets out as scum leaning to me which just reinforced my feelings. why he is on your no-lynch section is beyond me, i would like justification | ||
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On December 10 2014 08:48 27ninjabunnies wrote: I don't really understand how I was contradicting myself, I think I made myself perfectly clear, and HF was just trying to rip anything apart he could find. All I can do now from here on out is try to convince you all that I town. But it looks like I might have to claim just to stay alive. Meh. have you finished reading? tell me who is scum and why; i don't think your kelsier read is bad, i actually don't mind it. it just isn't compelling imo. there is more than 1 scum in the game though, so who else? | ||
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On December 10 2014 08:54 batsnacks wrote: That first sentence contradicts the rest of the sentences I think. Why is it more townie of him to respond directly to kita and not to you again? I put FF on my no lynch list because I remember pretty much all his posts and I think the less memorable people are better to focus on right now. i don't think it contradicts at all, i find responding directly to questions and not giving more than is asked townie. he did respond and gave what was asked from kita. as for why he chooses to respond to 1 guy and not the other, hell if i know. i am not that guy, can't tell you his thoughts. i also remember most of his posts....in a bad way. which i think is a better reason to lynch people. | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:07 Alakaslam wrote: Read his filter and convince me he is town i was the top proponent of his lynch and he has moved back toward null for me because: a) he says he is a role b) he vehemently defends his meta reads as legitimate even in the face of everyone calling them terrible c) he responded directly to almost every question and accusation tossed at him d) ff is worse i wouldn't be terribly opposed to going back on him, but ff is way worse. | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:12 ritoky wrote: i was the top proponent of his lynch and he has moved back toward null for me because: a) he says he is a role. #%##But he knows he has been lynches as a role so others from those games will lend weight to such claims. WIFOM. b) he vehemently defends his meta reads as legitimate even in the face of everyone calling them terrible. #^#%} THIS IS MOAR WIFOM YESSSS c) he responded directly to almost every question and accusation tossed at him. #^}%%# townie points I guess but is it really alignment indicative? Don't you have to defend as scum too? ... WIFOM!! d) ff is worse. #%%#% prove this i wouldn't be terribly opposed to going back on him, but ff is way worse. a) I guess threatening a claim and not actually claiming is a bit wifom, but if you dislike that then you should really hate bunnies right now. b) I disagree entirely with this being wifom. c) Yes, to me a mafia in that situation tries to shift the discussion away from themselves or gives more than they are asked. He responded directly to what he was asked. d) my entire 2nd half of my filter is basically me yelling about why ff is mafia, you can find it there; I don't have a plethora of posts left to recant it. | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Aww I thought you'd get more upset at him calling you sexist. I want more drama. Guess I have to start it myself. Ritoky is tunneling me because I am ezpz push. I played this exact way in MSPAINT ritoky, except I think I was even more useless there. If ritoky gets his wish and everyone hops on the fecalfeast train all he has to say after I flip town is "omg he played so bad you can't blame me for thinking he's scum" seems like a good mafia play to me ##vote ritoky you're wifoming me having motivations, while not addressing my points against you, admitting you're playing anti-town, and being useless....like i just don't get how anyone can read this guy town. also regarding last game i read you as town by process of elimination because i was doctor and basically solved the game, not because of your play. | ||
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On December 11 2014 03:06 KelsierSC wrote: Rit and OWS have both done absolutely nothing. OWS just sheeps a read, I can't remember one significant thing rit has done. if someone wants to elaborate on a scum case or town case for these people I will listen and gladly vote. On December 09 2014 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: guna add rit to my town circle, his read on ls was pretty spot on and he #trapped ff what happened to that read? you posted my name a total 0 times in your entire filter between when you made a read of me as town for making a good read on LS and trapping ff, WHO YOU THOUGHT WAS SCUM FOR MY REASONS; and then all of the sudden i am scum. because apparently i haven't done anything all game...yet in your filter you like what i did? you don't even mention me in the little blurb, i am just paired with OWS and you talk about OWS. like why am i even in this read? especially when it is contrary to what you previously said. kels just seems like he changed his read because of thread sentiment, not because he actually believes it; hell he doesn't even try to justify the terrible read because he knows it is so terrible. this is not a read town makes at all, he is probably mafia. | ||
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On December 11 2014 11:09 Trfel wrote: If you don't mind, can you point me to the reasons why other people think he is scum? a glance through my and lonemeow's filter should do the trick for you on that one. | ||
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On December 11 2014 11:22 batsnacks wrote: "you're doing town things" but you don't town read him for doing those things? Also he voted nb why would he be angry? because holyflare is a very capable mafia player who can appear extremely town as mafia. about 2 games ago he sold me hook line and sinker; so i have a huge skepticism toward him forever now. also town holyflare is angry and salty and tells people their reads are atrocious. mafia holyflare is more calm. so to answer your question, no i am not reading him town because he is not doing what i feel are his town tells. | ||
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On December 11 2014 09:40 rsoultin wrote: Mrt. That was pretty predictable. Still, I've yet to play a game with a Day 1 scum lynch so... just opened your filter cuz i can't really remember clearly stuff you have done in the game, and top of the first page "i told you so" post...feeling like this not gonna be a good one. | ||
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On December 11 2014 11:35 GlowingBear wrote: Ritoky, please, tell me you aren't mafia. nope, not mafia, you mafia bae? | ||
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nope! do you think i am? | ||
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On December 11 2014 11:40 Holyflare wrote: you're telling me I should berate people for.... listening to me!? what the shit are you even talking about you do that a lot...lol. especially when people listen to you for bad reasons and when you got people like koshi saying they are okay with it and rsoultin saying i told you so and kels pre-emptively saying i told you so. | ||
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On December 11 2014 11:42 GlowingBear wrote: Well, if you think I am, you may be. Post restrictions are for cycles or for day times? why should i think you're mafia? | ||
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On December 11 2014 11:51 Holyflare wrote: stop wasting my posts with insignificant bs I have like 7 left, I literally just said kelsier is very likely mafia for talking about all that crap pre-lynch and I'm not going to berate other people who have the same reads as me because that means they are likely town. I'm confused why you even have this read when you literally just expressed how I "fooled" you last game which means this salty read is clearly not a proper read at all if I can emulate it as both alignments, not to mention you said I've been doing towny things and somehow that's pushed under the rug I also said I was extremely sick and wouldn't be here post-deadline but here I am. you are mafia OMGUS, not angry, content on a stagnant read lynch, 0 development on bunnies read even after she posted, pushing other people but not moving your vote...thank you for making up my mind for me. you're feigning townie things, you're mafia. | ||
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