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On November 27 2014 04:01 Holyflare wrote: I think the people that roll mafia will be pretty demotivated in this game. Ezpz game Nah, me, Marc, hf mafia team ftw. | ||
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On November 27 2014 08:11 Sn0_Man wrote: alright u guys are all mega-uninformed about russian politics past and present So you want to focus on random historical shit that no one likely knows or cares about for what purpose? | ||
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On November 27 2014 08:12 marvellosity wrote: Rejoice! Thanks!!! I guess you got my naughty nurse pics finally? | ||
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But you haven't always rolled town. How could you think I've rolled anything but town? | ||
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On November 27 2014 08:57 Superbia wrote: Yet the answer would always be the same, wouldn't it? But the original answers rarely if ever matter. How could you think I was anything but town? | ||
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On November 27 2014 08:59 Superbia wrote: You seemed like you had something to prove within the first 5m of the game. What's up with that? I'm the second best player in this game. Why wouldn't I have something to prove. Plus all the vets except Palmer I have great reads on. That makes me the most important town player in this game. Plus Marv wants my naughty nurse pics. That is clearly added value. | ||
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On November 27 2014 09:11 Superbia wrote: Okay. What do you think about HF's push on JAT? He can do his thing until I get a read on him. Then I'll either back HF or hope 2/3rds of Marv/Rayn/Palmer is town and they'll help me lynch HF D1. | ||
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On November 27 2014 10:27 Holyflare wrote: not when role pm's get sent out an hour early because that's a whole hour of a mafia pm being left to sink in and so he'd just give up and go to bed early at rolling mafia in this probably stacked game i'm almost positive the first message in the qt is like "we're so fucked" look at your response, i ask you to comment on something you are reluctant but end up doing it anyway look at his response, i ask him to comment on it and he gives a VERY generic "i dont vote on ANYONE EVER early" response and then criticises me and leaves what good natured towny wants to shut down any productive discussion even if it's misplaced? the answer is no good natured towny ever Do you think that me/Marv/Rayn/Palmer/Wave are all town? | ||
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Look HF. I'm not saying your point on him not being around considering deadline isn't interesting. My point is the scared shitless argument is crap and you know it. | ||
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On November 27 2014 11:06 Elvis! wrote: Is that because you already know how I'll flip? ##Unvote ##Vote geript 8 and no, it's because you're pissing me off. | ||
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On November 27 2014 10:20 Holyflare wrote: how do I not have a case on either? One player said the deadlines were PERFECT for him and then didn't turn up when ordinarily he'd be enthusiastic about the game starting and at least post something. Another player literally didn't want to comment on anything I said and has only talked about russia (which is fine on its own) but he was all defensive when I told him to comment on it or he was next good post. Not wholly indicative but if HF keeps this up I'll just sheep him wherever he ends up. Superbia "why does no one want to lynch Sn0" comment rubs me the wrong way. I had expressed concerns; HF has beef. He's not paying attention whatsoever. Especially odd that he's never clarified why he wants to lynch Sn0 but wonders why no one is on board??? Extra minus points. Elvis might be town for being annoying as fuck. Will meta tomorrow. On November 27 2014 12:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Gb, serious question: how do you go from me being "unreadable" in one game to me being town in another because of contribution? Slightly inquisitive and a neat observation. Towny points Wave ++- Holy flare + OWS + UoNSent (+) Sn0 - Glory ear - Superbia --- Marv - To do list: Meta UoNSebt, meta Elvis. ##unvote ##vote superbia | ||
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On November 28 2014 01:55 Holyflare wrote: Not letting gb off for his shit geript read into sheeping geript That was weird. Like too easy. | ||
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On November 28 2014 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: getripped could you explain why; - there is a townread on Cava in your big post without any reasoning? - there is a scumread on GlowingBear? - you think Sentinel's snarky comment to you is townie? Cava? Who's that? Yeah I think Marv explained it well. Early tow read based off of nonsense. The fact that he has a mystical scum read on me and then instantly wheels me based on no pressure. Just super odd all over. Why do I need to explain why I find snark towny to you? | ||
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##vote:waveofshadow You have my sword Marv. That Superbia post just feels bad to me. | ||
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On November 28 2014 02:11 marvellosity wrote: yay sword! Don't get too excited. It's only 6 inches. Like average at best. | ||
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On November 28 2014 02:19 Holyflare wrote: But wave was ++-? Not that i hate the vote it's pretty likely he's mafia but why was Superbia post bad? It was quite good Feels over explained and opportunistic. | ||
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On November 28 2014 02:24 Holyflare wrote: The opportunity to lynch someone that looks like mafia? It just felt like he's casing gb to look good. Maybe I'm just biased. | ||
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On November 28 2014 03:11 Sn0_Man wrote: I mean asserting that u win erry game as town or w/e just makes u look worse I think if ur play is meh because ur supposed to be some godly town or something. Not that I think HF or geript have particularly good grasps on this game atm Where do you think we're right or wrong then? Ps thanks for letting me know my HF read is right though. ##unvote ##vote Sn0 | ||
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On November 28 2014 03:15 Sn0_Man wrote: well for one thing both of them have strange ideas about me being scum based on the literal nothings asserting that ur play is godlike day 1 is questionable regardless of veracity. see: geripts earlier claims I'm pretty sure HF's recent performances, note the plural, speak for themselves. | ||
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On November 28 2014 03:15 Sn0_Man wrote: well for one thing both of them have strange ideas about me being scum based on the literal nothings asserting that ur play is godlike day 1 is questionable regardless of veracity. see: geripts earlier claims Like saying you're town and therefore we're way off base is ridiculous. Show us that you're town and show ushow and where else we've gone wrong then. Like all you're doing right now is shitting on people | ||
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On November 28 2014 03:21 Sn0_Man wrote: see now ur putting words into my mouth too Is there a different way to take" neither big G nor HF have a good grasp on this game" than that we're both town and both pretty wrong in our suspects? | ||
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Except that being wrong doesn't equal being bad. Having one wrong read doesn't invalidate all reads. Am I wrong about you generally liking to mix it up early on and have fun joking around? Like having a scum read on you isn't being rude. Pressuring you to take a stance isn't rude. Like I still don't get how your stance makes any sense whatsoever. | ||
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##vote Wave I'll give you some rope. Try not to hang yourself with it. | ||
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On November 28 2014 03:50 Sn0_Man wrote: hi everybody vote the person with 0 posts 1 hour into day 1 thats my exact definition of useless talk to me about how ur opening posts involve pressuring me to take a stance keep in mind this is as some other retard is also voting me for no reason and everybody's busily being goddam wrong about russian politics. I didn't say my posts made you take a stance. You were lumping HF and me together so I did the same. HF and I had scum reads on you for different reasons. | ||
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You're right that HF could be mafia here, but it's pretty impossible to tell until he makes a push to lynch. I'm actually kinda tempted to lynch Dandred as a measure of HF. Like can't you at least give 3 straight forward reads so we can get a read on you. | ||
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On November 28 2014 10:30 marvellosity wrote: don't quit mafia really, jeez :/ This. Austin's been Mia. I'd be completely wubbyless. | ||
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On November 28 2014 10:46 WaveofShadow wrote: + Show Spoiler [stop talking about this] + As I said though, it's easy as hell for me to look towny/not get lynched. Yeah it's kinda nice to actually be able to mostly control your own fate in a game where 10-13 people are gunning for your head, but since I've been able to do mostly all along it just doesn't do it for me anymore. GB/marv I had zero intention of that being alignment indicative in any way so I'm not going to comment on it. How do you read HF? You don't. Just fucking lynch him to be safe. Why haven't you done stuff in forever? I think you were one of the people with townreads on JAT/HF. Care to explain why? I'll get on my own reads shortly. I'm dog sitting for a friend. Both dogs I've known since about a year old. Both are really affectionate. One has hip problems so she needs specific, pills, exercise and massage. So I usually don't have a free hand unless they're napping. | ||
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On November 28 2014 11:02 GlowingBear wrote: It's likely. Your discussion with WoS had nothing prolific to town. All it was was you saying WoS is scum because he is demotivated and WoS saying that your ego is boring, over and over again. The. You Unvote him because he is demotivated. Makes no sense. Also marv, I have seen very active, but I haven't seen you actually trying to solve the game. You're just engaging arguments for the sake of arguing, but not drawing any conclusions. Also, when Superbia pushed me, you felt he was town but you were not convinced with what he brought. It means you're kinda hesitating into reading me as scum. Instead of pushing me or him, you engaged an useless discussion with WoS. I kept discussing with Superbia but you didn't seem to care. It's strange, though, because you are not certain of my alignment. I disagree. Wave is I don't know lie he doesn't live so he gets to be pretty easy to read a lot of times. I've actually found waves posting to be pretty useful and indicative but I think it's town. Will unvote when I can. | ||
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On November 28 2014 11:12 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't know what you just said but I think I liked it? I still wouldn't mind explanations as to the votes on me though. Geript did you actually think I was scum? No. I had no strong inclination as to what you were. I found it weird that you were doing nothing. Like usually you do something. I didn't think Marv wanted to lynch you either. I just figured it would light a fire and if it didn't then no loss. | ||
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What do you think of HF? | ||
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On November 28 2014 11:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Of course he does. He also has a decent shot at being scum and it's the latter that's particularly dangerous. I'm not sure where you get 'really easy to read' though considering I don't think he's ever been lynched as scum. Like ever. Because I figured out how to read him. I've been 100% on him for a while now. It's pretty simple when you see it. | ||
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Not going to lie. I would love to lynch HF just once just to do it. It would really piss him off too. I'll filter him for you and give a solid opinion when I catch up. | ||
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On November 28 2014 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't like Elvis because in the Campus game he was literally unable to give ANY townread ~2500 posts into the game when someone asked. Now he had a townread, ~5 pages into the game. The guy is apparently paranoid as fuck, and therefore his reads (the scumread aswell) and the reasoning didn't sit well with me if compared to what he did in the last game. I remember this post. I like it lots. Damdrd where are you at in reading? | ||
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On November 28 2014 03:11 Sn0_Man wrote: I mean asserting that u win erry game as town or w/e just makes u look worse I think if ur play is meh because ur supposed to be some godly town or something. Not that I think HF or geript have particularly good grasps on this game atm This post and Sn0's explanation still really bug me. Like reading into it, he's saying that both HF and me are off track; that can only be true if we're both town though. But Sn0 was saying its, "Well both of you are wrong about me so all your reads are shit." Like not only is that super illogical but I don't see how that in any way follows. He's someone who generally has enjoyed early Jokes and fun but completely has avoided that. He hasn't provided any actual read so far whenever and my experience is that when he's town and playing he'll be reasonably try hard. His emotional responses are really out of whack; it's like his natural response is to have a stick up his ass no matter how people are interacting with him. Like usually town players realize a need to coordinate and work together; like he hasn't done that at all. Best lynch NA | ||
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On November 28 2014 14:02 WaveofShadow wrote: I think I'd be more interested in knowing why he singled out you and HF when talking to JAT in the first place. I dunno SN0 is probably a good lynch but I really don't feel like backing down from HF. No. We're not lynching HF today. Pick a new target. Like flat out no. | ||
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On November 28 2014 07:01 Holyflare wrote: I also think there's probably a mafia between superbia/gb but not both and i'm not sure which because i could make cases on both I also really agree with this. Based on activity I'd guess Superbia. His self awareness after my thoughts on him and how his posting has changed really bugs me. | ||
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On November 28 2014 14:19 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: ##Vote: Damdred Best read I got atm. Mind explaining for me. Like I can't really meta on phone so I haven't really got anything on you right now except "Marv thinks you're town for being bad but not bad bad" | ||
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On November 28 2014 14:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Really? You saw his shit fight with JAT and that's not nit picking? And even then of course he nitpicks as town, it's all he did to me in Cell III. You have provided me no proof or supporting evidence of what you are talking about, so I see no reason to change my feelings on him. It's not nit picking with the intention to bury. Like you can tell his alignment based on what his goal is. Like cmon wave. | ||
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On November 28 2014 14:45 WaveofShadow wrote: You still haven't provided me with evidence. The funny part is I could provide you with evidence against what you're saying too. lol you really think mafia is as simple as being able to pick out someone's 'goals?' I'm surprised we haven't won already if this is the case. I think we have so long as no one pulls a VE. | ||
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##vote Obiwan Like get the fuck out of here with that shit. | ||
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That was exactly what he did in cultured. | ||
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On November 28 2014 15:06 WaveofShadow wrote: And I don't have a problem at all with him not having a read. He's not scum. You don't have a problem with him not playing like at all? Are you serious? Fuck this I'm going to bed. In the least watch drew back or something. | ||
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On November 28 2014 21:43 marvellosity wrote: Ambivalent. Doesn't everything you wrote about JAT apply to Sn0? Why ambivalent then? | ||
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On November 28 2014 21:58 marvellosity wrote: geript if we want to be useful together, i'd rather try figure out Damdred. I remember thinking last night that his game reminds me of the last game I played with him. Not active but trying to look active. | ||
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On November 28 2014 22:29 marvellosity wrote: the thing is, the dude being blatantly jerkfacey/defiant is usually less likely to be mafia than the person who looks like they're trying to do something. I'd normally agree with you but this is like way out of bounds for him and I don't think the game I played with him as mafia is relevant anymore. Idk. Like it really bothers me that so many people are not-townreading him but no one really wants to lynch him. Except maybe like me and Palmer and Palmer is being palmer b | ||
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On November 28 2014 22:40 marvellosity wrote: it's way out of bounds for his mafia play also, no? Yes and no. Usually as mafia he's a more obstinant and oppositional iirc. | ||
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On November 28 2014 22:52 marvellosity wrote: what i'm saying is, you're saying my heuristic doesn't apply because this is way out of his town range, well unless you're gonna show me a game where it's in his mafia range, then meh. This feels like a day for shenannies Can't on phone. My question though is where are the mafia then. Assume he's lynchbait town, why hasn't he been pushed more heavily then? Like if he's town then he's like the mafia wet dream this game. Everyone is willing to call him scummy, but I'm not seeing people have any actual desire to lynch him except for me. It's more just passive agreement. If he's town then where are the mafia pushing because I'm not seeing it. | ||
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Can't on phone and can't properly find and filter 5+ games on phone. Like I really don't get it Marv; usually it feels like you listen to me more than you have this game. I'll give you that there are a bunch of question marks this game but idk. Just feels different from usual. | ||
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On November 29 2014 01:08 marvellosity wrote: also since when do i particularly listen to you geript? I mean I listen to everyone, but I can't think of any particular games where I've given particular weight to your reads. And generally I has good mafia memoryz There have been at least half a dozen games that you've ended up wheeling a read from a point I made. Hell the last game we played I smurfed and you sheeped my read a bit after my identity was revealed. | ||
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On November 29 2014 01:36 marvellosity wrote: I mean what I think of when I think of the last time I interacted with you is you insisting to the thread and me that Alakaslam was mafia (or town, I forget which) and me telling you you were being silly, and you berating me for not listening to you. and i was right obviously. What game? I don't really remember that. | ||
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On November 29 2014 01:39 marvellosity wrote: See? This is why you shouldn't rely on your memory to base how we interact. You do seem the sort to remember when I agree with you and forget when I disagree :> Well one of those is a positive experience and one isn't. At least you want my naught nurse pictures. I'll filter again in 20-30 after I finish cooking. | ||
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On November 29 2014 01:49 Sn0_Man wrote: im here its day 1 and erry1 is scum or something So everyone is scum hung? Since that include you I like my vote. Also, HF. Ewwww. Bad heuristic. | ||
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Marv just a lurker vote? | ||
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On November 29 2014 02:08 marvellosity wrote: ish. I have zero qualms killing Palmar this game, the main issue is that it's informationless should he flip town You had a thought about 3 people earlier. Do you remember what it was? | ||
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On November 29 2014 02:11 Sn0_Man wrote: Also damdred ur vote suxx too i think we are at a point where some amount of consolidation onto viable lynch targets is of value Consolidation for consolidation sake is worthless. It inhibits finding a good lynch. | ||
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Scumpile for now. | ||
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Scumpile for now. | ||
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Scum pile for now. | ||
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On November 29 2014 03:00 marvellosity wrote: geript, as lovely as it is that you have more people on your scumpile than there are players in the game, it's not all that helpful. Just thinking out loud. Helps me focus my thoughts. | ||
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On November 29 2014 03:43 Sn0_Man wrote: no i never painted u as scummy for that vote wahtsoever I asked u to work with town to consolidate And you've been asked to read the game and post your thoughts. | ||
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##vite damdred I forgot that Damdred likes to suck up to me as mafia. Idk why I didn't catch it specifically earlier. On October 12 2014 07:08 Damdred wrote: GB, i'm not really seeing mafia in geripts posting right now, he always rides my balls pretty hard. Could you point out something that shows him that way? On October 12 2014 07:08 Damdred wrote: GB, i'm not really seeing mafia in geripts posting right now, he always rides my balls pretty hard. Could you point out something that shows him that way? Like Damdred as town has always really struggled to read me correctly. But in both this game and his last scum game he's called me town when the sentiment is there. Like he tries to not buck the thread and just slide by which is exactly what he gave us with his first set of reads. On November 28 2014 12:29 Damdred wrote: I'm pretty much caught up I won't go into my town reads but I have a good many of them this time around. GB- Overall GBs game has been lacking, entrance to the thread was strange for GB had a really try hard air to it which is strange for GB. Does not seem to have a firm direction in the way hes pushing things for the most part, but some thoughts seem to be their and the frustration which he answers a lot of the claims really appears to be real (thats a null trait). Leaning scum on GB but i'm not as confident lynching GB today as the response to Superbia actually looks ok and the small bit of paranoia GB has towards some of the other players look real. Sent- I would probably settle on a sent lynch today right now, I cannot remember anything from the 4x pages of game besides sent talking about turtling up for the day. Nothing memorable besides a pressure on my slot. Sno- Frustration seems real, overall lacking day is very different from the last game I played with him (Neat and tidy mafia) was able to give reads even though he was unfamiliar with meta and tried to really help town out. Doesnt really show that here. Overall i'm more in favor of a sent lynch as he is possibly the least memorable person in the thread Nothing controversial here. General consensus picks. On October 12 2014 06:34 Damdred wrote: GB is pretty easy to read normally and he does have a pretty prominent town tell that he does in every game that hes town in. I hate that we are already at this point geript He loves to focus on GB or some bit of info to make him look towny. Like every other post Damdred has made involves a read on GB that GB said was complete BS after avogadros. On top of those are my misgivings from before. Damdred wasn't terribly interested in reading or playing when he replaced in. As town he often has as much or more activity than I do. He enjoys playing town. Whereas he gets hung up on being scum. He's less active and will use any excuse to stay out of the thread. I forget who brought it up earlier (Rayn maybe) but in Elvis' last town game he had a hard time finding any town reads. But like 5 pages in he had one here. On November 27 2014 11:53 Elvis! wrote: Obi - town since he's similair to last game and that's the best intel I have so far (even though it's still terribly weak). Sent is mafai since he's complaining about people not being productive while he falls under his own critera. Again crazily weak argument, but an argument Plus I think someone else brought up that Elvis last game had problems making any reads but he had two early. Like both heads are independently different from their town play and one of the heads is exactly playing to his scum meta. Plx lynch | ||
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On November 29 2014 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##unvote ##vote Waveofshadow He is mafia. No. Go read Damdred. We're not lynching Wave today. Hes not a good lynch. Look at his interactions w/ me and Marv last night. | ||
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On November 29 2014 04:56 GlowingBear wrote: Geript, how do you read sentinel? Maybe town. I think I missed his recent posts. He had a post regarding lynching Rayn that I kinda liked because it reflected how I felt. Haven't been a huge fan all game but I think his snarky response to me was kinda towny. | ||
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On November 29 2014 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah and he makes terrible cases as mafia as he fucking said himself. He also makes bad cases as town. Look at the entirety. He's low odds to flip mafia. Maybe like 1:7. | ||
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On November 29 2014 05:32 Holyflare wrote: Absolutely nobody will follow you jat. Just like nobody will probably follow me. I'm content with both tbh. Ewwwww. | ||
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On November 29 2014 05:34 ShiaoPi wrote: Day 1 Votecount: GlowingBear (1) : Superbia, Holyflare (2) : WaveofShadow, justanothertownie geript (0) : Superbia (2) : ObiWanShinobi (0) : Damdred (4) : Justanothertownie (1) : WaveofShadow (1) : Sn0_Man (1) : Palmar (0): marvellosity (0): Not Voting (1): Damdred Currently Damdred is set to be lynched with 4 votes! Remember, voting is mandatory! Next Deadline in ! Is Damdred voting for himself? Is that supposed to be Marv. | ||
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On November 29 2014 06:09 Sn0_Man wrote: wow damdred's defense is that ironclad huh Your posts are his best defense. | ||
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On November 29 2014 06:55 Superbia wrote: Has anyone played with damd before? What was that defense about? He just rolled over and did nothing. A number of times. I don't know quite what I expected but that's out of character for any alignment afaik. | ||
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Second, sent you need to fucking explain why you think I could be scum. Otherwise I will fucking lynch your ass tomorrow. Be back in an hour or so. | ||
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On November 29 2014 15:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: The fact that you just appeared out of nowhere and hammered GB? So I hard bussed Damdred d1? | ||
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On November 29 2014 15:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Did the math wrong with the upvotes. JAT is the scum here between the two. No there's no math involved. Why aren't you thinking about the game whatsoeve? | ||
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On November 29 2014 15:37 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 5 - 2 = 3. 2 + 3 = 4. Are you dense? I just looked at the upvotes and saw people who did it without evidence and went there because I want to see Damdred die. Right you're more interested in assigning blame than in actually finding scum. Like the only reason why a Damdred lynch was even a thing was because I pushed it. Like for Damdred being your lynch of choice I don't remember you ever really pushing it strongly. Why is that? | ||
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On November 29 2014 15:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Mostly because I was busy Black Friday shopping, renewing my license, and other things that take priority over my least favorite and most difficult phase of the game. And that prevented you from reading and thinking once the lynch was over? | ||
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On November 29 2014 06:19 GlowingBear wrote: Anyway, my boss is calling me out for using the phone too much, I'll be back in one hour. Lynch Superbia. Read what I said about him. Calls me scum for weak push on Elvis --> makes a forced read on me --> calls me scum throghout the whole day1 without even considering other option, not caring for any other interaction --> doesn't try to lynch me, neither to defend the slot I called out. This is actually a decent point. I think Wave brought it up too. My gut right now: Marv--town bc Marv. Rayn--town bc meltdown Wave--maybe town, Rayns points against him feel a bit better in hindsight. I could see him riding "plx lynch HF" all day as scum regardless of HF alignment HF--maybe town bc distinct lack of God tier reads. Him not leading a scum lynch d1 is a huge strike Sent-- probly mafia. I need to reread him post flip. I feel like he's got some glaring inconsistencies that I've missed and he's more interested in excuses than Damdred--probly mafia. But need to figure out if sent/Damdred could be aligned. Gut says only 1 could be mafia Palmer--plx be mod killed tier lurker, maybe town for decent reads on Rayn/Marv. Not sure would need to look at his scum games again. Sn0--Plx be mod killed tier bc I literally can't think of one useful thing he's posted. It actually bugs me more than Palmer bc sn0 has been posting a bunch So tired will finish later. Really tough with so many throw away votes. | ||
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All Sent's reasons are terrible. I can't fathom how he could actually believe what he's said. | ||
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On November 27 2014 08:24 Holyflare wrote: the relief is glorious For someone who's relieved and I presume excited to roll town again his filter including length doesn't really show it. Especially when it gets to the lynch. On November 29 2014 04:49 Holyflare wrote: I would lynch jat and palmar. Not honestly sure about damd tbh but wouldn't mind the pressure on him for now, wave feeels a bit unfocused but I'm not sure why i feel like that and I haven't really read him properly it just feels that way from watching him interact so kiiind of wary on that Would lynch sentinel On November 29 2014 05:32 Holyflare wrote: Absolutely nobody will follow you jat. Just like nobody will probably follow me. I'm content with both tbh. These are important for two reasons. HF could absolutely push a lynch on JAT or anyone he wanted. As town, HF hammers what he believes to be true. He a conceited asshole who has no doubts whatsoever in his ability (it's part of the reason I enjoy playing with him). But when you look at the lynch it's far more ambivalence. Also note: On November 29 2014 07:41 Holyflare wrote: yeh it looked towny enough to move to sentinel  ##unvote ##vote sentinel On November 29 2014 07:44 Holyflare wrote: maybe not actually his filter has more stuff than i remembered ##unvote 3 minutes to read and analyze a filter is quite fast. Seeing as how HF has seemed to be phone posting most if not all the time, that's blazing. More likely though it's just bullshit. For Damdred beaing a great lynch in HF's own words he ends up on a meh GB. On November 29 2014 07:48 Holyflare wrote: honestly i have no idea and the gb defending damd and damd defending gb is just too weird Like this is really odd. The argument applies equally both ways. HF thinks these things through as town. He's an exceptionally logic based player. But look at the length of his progression. 1. Would lynch JAT, Palmer, Sent; Damdred ambivalent 2. Shit fight with JAT but is content with no one sheeping him on JAT 3. Damdred (some who has been flawless reading Damdred) is a good lynch 4. Will listen to Damdred 5. Damdred towny enough to move to sent 6. Sent towny enough in filter to switch elsewhere 7. Ends on GB HF's previous 100% lock solid read on Damdred changes. JAT a preferred lynch come rely disappears and is never pushed. Mystical speed reading ability. GB move out of ass over suggestions (Marv/me) toward Sn0. A person (sent) who is a preferred lynch hasn't been read whatsoever but can be cleared in 3 minutes. HF is scum. He's not caring about getting a right lynch. He only cares about a not mafia lynch. | ||
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HolyflRe One of Damdred or Sent One of Sno, super Wave This is where I'm at right now. My money's on HF, sent, Sno but HF Damdred Wave is reasonable too. I don't think JAT and HF fight this much scum-scum; haven't soecifically looked at their interactions but what I remember doesn't look like town-town. Sno's refusal to be helpful whatsoever and is inane. Otherwise Read my filter. | ||
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I don't really see a team he fits on. I know this isn't whooly accurate but a while back in champions maybe or pyp mini Marv gave a heuristic for reading Palmer. Basically as town, palmer has 2 gears: on a scale of 1-10 he's either a 0 or an 11. Whereas as mafia he's like a 6-7 because he hates playing mafia but tries to not drag his team down by being lunch able. Usually I just read Marv and sheep his read on Palmer in game but that's nonexistent this game. | ||
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On November 30 2014 07:07 justanothertownie wrote: Doesn't mean he can't be scum though? It's sarcasm JAT. | ||
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On November 30 2014 07:10 Damdred wrote: I'm out of your most probable scum team now geript? Maybe. I need to figure out you/sent bc that's what things hang on to me. Haven't had time to deep dive the way I want yet. | ||
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On November 30 2014 09:10 Damdred wrote: How did you get from here with your main focus being on HF during the night to settle just on me with no thought provided? Because the deaths are a pretty drastic shift in things and Marv has very good points. Rayn was low activity this game for him, yet he begs and pleads to move to vote to Wave over you. Need to look but after the vote moved he didn't seem to care at all whatsoever where it moved. I don't remember if he posted then though. | ||
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On November 30 2014 09:27 marvellosity wrote: with no other rb claim it seems likely i was rbed by mafia, so I'm feeling really dense right now because I have 3 little girls screaming in my ear. Can you explain this to me? | ||
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On November 30 2014 09:38 marvellosity wrote: HF made a comment about me being rbed by mafia or JK if there is only one RB it's highly likely to be mafia RB because mafia 99%+ of the time has a rber lol I can't believe I missed this. I kept on looking at the potential roles trying to think of the scenario you had in mind. | ||
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On November 30 2014 09:44 Damdred wrote: i no mafia geript i pretty seal who doesn't want to die. Are you really claiming to not know what posting baby seals means? | ||
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On November 30 2014 09:56 Holyflare wrote: If i say this the persn will know and can preparyfake claims. I'll just aay both names eventually Yah, not believing this. | ||
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On November 30 2014 10:00 Holyflare wrote: The person is 100% not a cop and I'm npt prepared to out a medic Oppressed Russian Minority (VT): You are one of the many Russians spread throughout the world. Although you do not have much power, influence or sway, you are able to vote in totally fair and open referendums, making you a key player to the restoration of Mother Russia. You have no Powers besides your vote. Hunt down all threats to Russia(Town)! Homeless Russian Minority (Unaware Miller): Not much separates you from your oppressed brothers but sadly your human rights are under even stronger assault from the perfidious west. You don't even have a place to spend the night. Every night you will visit another player, asking him to give you shelter to no avail. But since you are a proud Russian you will under no circumstances admit your plight. (Millers are unaware and will be given the VT Role PM). You have no powers besides your vote. Hunt down all threats to Russia(Town)! Wine-Drinking Russian Minority (Unaware Miller): You are part of the Russians spread throughout the world but during your travels and contacts with the west, you have taken up the habit of drinking wine. Naturally you have to keep this a secret from your Russian friends. It does make you look suspicious though. (Cop-Checks will come back as red on this player.) To the outside world you are of course a Vodka-drinker (unaware Miller). You have no powers besides your vote. Hunt down all threats to Russia(Town)! RT-Journalist (Alignment Cop): You are a proud member of the news network Russia Today, the only source of truth and non-partisan opinion in this dark world! Using your profound powers as a Journalist you can explain everything from soldiers and tanks on vacation in Ukraine to US-American manipulation of the oil price to bring down glorious Russia! Every Night you can investigate one of your fellow Russians to find out whether or not they truly follow our dear leader Putin. Results will come back as either Russian or Filthy Western Imperialist. You are of course aligned to Russia(Town) and will win with it! Russian Medic on Vacation (Doc): You are a soldier of the Russian army, a medic to be precise. Russian Fighter Jet over the Baltic Sea (Watcher): The Baltic Sea had once been much more Russian than it is today. Vodka Store Owner (Jailkeeper): Vodka, life elixir of the Russian society is of course immensely important. You are a specialised vendor of high quality Russian Vodka. Every night you can invite a player to your store and offer him a all-you-can-drink special deal. He will be incapacitated (roleblocked) for the night, but also protected from any KP or other kind of visit during the night. You are aligned with Russia(Town) and win with it! FSB-Agent (Tracker): The dissolution of the KGB after the end of the Soviet Union had been a traumatic memory for you. Thankfully things went back on track rather quickly and you have found new employment and meaning in your job as an agent of the FSB. Using your superior skills in shadowing people, you can choose to track a player every night. You will find out whom he visited during the night (if he did visit anyone during the night). You are aligned with Russia(Town) and win with it! Totally not a Russian Soldier (1-shot-Vigilante): Russian Bear (Veteran): You are a Russian Bear! How did you get here and what the fuck are you doing here? Does not matter, what matters is that you are as tough as Mother Russia herself and able to handle whatever those Imperialists throw your way. 2 KP are needed to kill you. Your extra life will not regenerate when used and you will not be notified if it is triggered. You are aligned with Russia(Town) and win with it! Russia Today Broadcasting Station (Mason): You are a RT Broadcasting station, linked up with another, enabling you to coordinate the distribution of GRU-Agent (Parity Cop): You are an Agent of the GRU, the security service tasked with observing all those hostile Imperialists all around the globe. Having dealt with so many Westerners has made you experienced in matters of comparison. You can easily distinguish between good Russians and Homogays, Imperialists and decadent Westerners. Every night you are able to investigate a player.You must submit an investigation night one. Your first result however will come with the result of your second check. The results will return either "same alignment" or "different alignment". You cannot check yourself. You are aligned with Russia(Town) and win with it! Brainwashed Mainstream news consumer (Goon) : You are one of the many people lost to the truth of Mother Russia. Instead you have been brainwashed to believe whatever the mainstream media tell you. You have decided that it is time to remove anything even remotely Russian from the premises. You have no special powers besides your vote. You are aligned with the Filthy Western Imperialists and win as soon as you outnumber or equal the members of Russia (Town)! CIA-Mastermind (Godfather) : You are a veteran of countless CIA operations. Of course you know what the upstanding RT-Journalists are searching for when investigating you and made yourself immune to them. If you are checked by a Russian powerrole, you will show up as Russian instead of Filthy Western Imperialist. You win as soon as you outnumber or equal the members of Russia (Town)! Ukrainian Fascist (1-shot Vigilante): Heil Hitler! You are the worst scum on earth! One of the principal fascists on the Majdan Square in Kiev during the Western-backed coup against poor Yanukovych, you have dusted off your old Nazi uniform and decided to cleanse Ukraine of Russians. You have a single bullet to shoot a player with at night. However you can only shoot once Night 2 has begun. If you are roleblocked the night you choose to shoot, your bullet will be refunded. You win as soon as you outnumber or equal the members of Russia (Town)! Cancerous Homosexual(Framer): There is only one thing on the same despicable level as a Nazi and that is of course you, the symbol of the corrupt west, a Homosexual! You did not only not try to cure your illness, but also try to spread it even further even among pure Russians. Every night you can choose to spray glitter all over the floor of another players house, effectively reversing the alignment they will show up as for a night. You win as soon as you outnumber or equal the members of Russia (Town)! Western Embargo (Roleblocker): Since the West is too afraid of Putin it has employed an Embargo against Mother Russia instead of fighting like real men on the ground. Naturally the Embargo is useless, Russia is love, Russia is life, Russia is indestructible! NATO-Jetfighter (Rolecop): As Putin has become a stalwart defender of Honor, Truth and Human Rights the decadent Westerners have tried to provoke him into rash action, enabling them to strike back. You, a NATO-Jetfighter, are trying to achieve exactly that. You have continuously violated Russian airspace, harassed Russian planes and worst of all you shot down MH17 and tried to blame Russia! As a Jetfighter you are in prime position to scout out the defensive positions of the Oppressed Russian Minority. Every night you can choose to investigate a player in order to find out what role he has. You win as soon as you outnumber or equal the members of Russia (Town)! | ||
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On November 30 2014 10:07 Holyflare wrote: Drink with meeeee Have any bourban? | ||
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On November 30 2014 10:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Am I the only one here who doesn't drink? 'Cause I feel like that's the case. It's ok Obi. One day you can grow a pair, have a few drinks and put on your big boy pants. | ||
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On November 30 2014 10:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote: But then my recovery will slow down and my liver will be a better target for punches/kicks. Oh. Well if you're in recomery than goodfor you. Keep it top. Who do you thunk is cum! | ||
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On November 30 2014 10:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote: But then my recovery will slow down and my liver will be a better target for punches/kicks. Wait your recoverying from surgert? | ||
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Lack of better #2. Like he's been ass and complete worthless all game. He either blue or red. | ||
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Wat wat. Like 2 mafia left. Probly 3 blue. HF is idk. Probly stunt. Damdred Mac. 75% town better odds than most you losers. Misread Rayn. Wave dead. Like other then me and Marv none fucknig obvioid town. Like I could weite a case an any of you. It's impossible. | ||
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On November 30 2014 10:58 justanothertownie wrote: I am literally the most obvious town in the game especially since rayn flipped. Whatever. Also how does Rayn flag make you yown? | ||
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On November 30 2014 11:00 justanothertownie wrote: Nothing to do with math since you can't be sure about this blue or red read. Putting Sn0 as top 2 town there is extremely weird. But you might actually believe this ridiculous stuff. I mean you also knoe you can read HF. Ftfy | ||
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On November 30 2014 11:04 justanothertownie wrote: You were almost 100% sure HF is town day1. Now you think he is scum. Just sayin. Almost 100% =/= 100% | ||
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On November 30 2014 11:03 justanothertownie wrote: The way he went at me. Especially how he lied about what happened in the pm game trying to make me look bad. Rayn doesn't lie as maf. No point. Can be caught. I know out to read Rayn. 100% read on him. He doesn't lie as maf. | ||
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On November 30 2014 11:06 geript wrote: Rayn doesn't lie as maf. No point. Can be caught. I know out to read Rayn. 100% read on him. He doesn't lie as maf. Fuuuuuck. 95% read on Rayn | ||
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On November 30 2014 12:49 Sn0_Man wrote: Wat about me i got geript's vote of confidence If by vote of confidence you mean highest statistical odds of being town, then yes. | ||
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On December 02 2014 01:34 Sn0_Man wrote: nice proclaim my towniness as ur top town pls Nah, I think I'm going to replace you with JAT. He seems to care a whole lot more about trying to add stuff. And besides, in my non-drunken state I realized that 3/4 isn't quite as good as 7/8. So you being red or blue actually increases your odds of being mafia. No crutch for you. | ||
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On December 01 2014 06:12 Holyflare wrote: damd why aren't you here trying to deflect things to other people or figuring things out? This is a good point. From what I've read so far of today, Damdred has been trying to pull a Sn0. | ||
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On December 02 2014 01:43 marvellosity wrote: you can add more slots you know Yah, but having HF be part of my top town would really sting as it means that I can't actually read HF in any game that I'm in. I'm not quite sure my ego can handle that. | ||
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On December 02 2014 01:50 Sn0_Man wrote: getting drunk would ease the pain and might also make u call me top town again its worth a shot I won't be drinking again until after the lynch. Nowadays I pretty much only drink while watching football. It's kinda sad but it makes sure that I don't get a DUI. | ||
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On December 01 2014 08:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Then...Find them? You're on the hot seat bro. On December 01 2014 08:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Telling us about "interactions" and then telling us to stop paying attention to you doesn't really help us at all. These posts kinda bug me. I see mafia playing good cop a lot. | ||
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On December 02 2014 02:00 Damdred wrote: Uhhh I answered that yesterday as I was working and just got done eating lunch. Why point this out with that conclusion when I have been here today doing things and answered this yesterday Have you done stuff since yesterday? | ||
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On December 02 2014 02:03 Damdred wrote: Have you read the thread? I'm catching up right now | ||
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On December 02 2014 02:23 Holyflare wrote: i've been playing this game all wrong then Don't worry HF, posting in thread is directly correlated to dick size. Hopefully you'll be able to console yourself. | ||
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As town he tends to give out more ideas As town, he tends to play to have fun and enjoy himself which tends to level out later in the game; + townpoints As town his vote tends to bounce around a bunch; + scumpoints His post length is slightly more one-linery as town but that seems to change game to game I don't think there's a good meta reason to be voting him over Damdred. | ||
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Town Neat and TIdy Hogwarts I'm a Cop Witchcraft Mafia SMB Here's the glaring differences I've seen from his town play: As town he's not a complete asshat and seems to actually enjoy himself As town he's actually makes comments and tries to be helpful regardless of blue/green As town he wants to win but fears looking dumb more than losing As mafia, he's a whiny asshole who trieds to add as little to the thread as humanly possible. | ||
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On December 02 2014 03:19 Holyflare wrote: that one mafia game you linked looks nothing like this game at all he's far more agreeable/passive Did you read the parts where he's being attacked? | ||
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On December 02 2014 03:32 justanothertownie wrote: Also the interaction between sn0 and rayn that damdred pointed out IS a little weird. Hm. On the plus side, Damdred does bus as mafia  | ||
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On December 01 2014 12:37 Sn0_Man wrote: while i hardly find it unlikely that obi's scum, i think lynching damdred makes more sense today ##Vote: Damdred Like do I even need to comment on how scummy this is? If anyone wants to ignore the fact that this game looks absolutely nothing like any of Sn0's town games; and they want to agree with HF that this looks nothing like his mafia game + Show Spoiler + I disagree, while I don't think the mafia game completely fits, when you look at his general outlook that game (it's far more of a jerk) and how he responds when people call him out (gets super whiny); it's quite analogous to this game On December 02 2014 01:04 Sn0_Man wrote: I don't get why i'm being accused for dumb shit instead of being max lazy utterly useless This quote is practically straight out of his SMB game IIRC. | ||
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On December 02 2014 04:26 Holyflare wrote: i wanna kill dis obi guy look at his vote and general lack of giving a shit + wants to kill a town read + afking all game + nub I don't get why you don't want to kill Sn0 at all honestly. | ||
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On December 02 2014 04:26 Holyflare wrote: i wanna kill dis obi guy look at his vote and general lack of giving a shit + wants to kill a town read + afking all game + nub Yes, I'll be clear. That shit is sketch. But why are you not considering his meta whatsoever? No offense Obi, but HF he's not a great player. He'll do scummy shit. I can go back and look to see how many times he's been mislynched if that helps. I just seem him at best as the #3 best lynch for today at best. | ||
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On December 02 2014 04:36 Holyflare wrote: I've literally told you your meta read on obi was shit and he's never made posts like that as town. Yes, please convince me how my meta read is shit when i read 60% of 4 filters. I ignored his 22p filter in FFL. | ||
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On December 02 2014 04:42 Holyflare wrote: i don't think i've ever seen him so wishy washy on reading a person to call him both town and a lynch he wants to go for You don't look for one specific thing when you meta. You look at the trend. What are the persons tendencies. And no, I'm not going to go back and look at that meta again. Proving things works both ways HF; you've said X, Y and Z about Obi. I just finished reading a bunch of pages about him. We disagree about a read; it won't be the first time and it won't be the last. Is my read strong enough that I'd stake my mafia career on it and never play again if I'm wrong? No (besides that would be against the rules). From what I recall, he's been wishy-washy before; I think I saw points of it in both his town and mafia play. I also know that generally what happens is that people forget about or drop good townreads they had early on. Marv had a decent townread on Obi early, Palmer did too. I don't remember where you were at on him. I just don't see a reason to lynch a guy because he said one super scummy scummy thing especially when half the fucking game has said something equally if not more scummy than him. | ||
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On December 02 2014 05:27 Holyflare wrote: this whole paragraph is useless and poses nothing to the game when I just took the meta that you made for obi by reading his past games and applied it to this game you shouldn't be reading him anything other than mafia he has literally only been town read for the first like 2 hours of the game AND THEN AFK'D THE ENTIRE GAME, you're saying "oh these people town read him!" who gives a crap? how is that relevant? it's not ONE scummy thing at all, it's a multitude of scummy things culminating in one scummy pile you can't just say that you disagree without stating WHAT you disagree on On December 02 2014 04:44 Holyflare wrote: 1) he has given out absolutely no ideas this game 2) he doesn't look like he's enjoying himself at all, in fact quite the opposite, he's aggravated at legitimate points and then goes back to afk when under pressure to return and do nothing when the lynch is on damdred EVEN THOUGH HE SAID DAMDRED LOOKS MORE TOWNY NOW AND HE'D DEFEND HIM IF HE DID 3) hasn't happened this game 4) it's almost exclusively 1 liners as town, never have I really seen him go wall of text wishy washy reads like this game so it's not exactly a shit meta read, it's just you've applied it really badly to this game 1. I don't wholly agree. However, he hasn't really been around that much. But he has made some early points which I saw was a tendency during his town play. You can count this as scum points for inactivity or whatever because it's less than usual perhaps, but I'm just calling it null because it's not quite his town play but it's not quite his mafia play either. 2. I disagree. Look at the various points he's had in this game. He literally starts out by having fun. "hello dickbutts, help help i'm being oppressed, Wooosh, 10/10 stay beautiful, etc." He enjoyed his early game. Then as the game went on, the playfulness and joke-to-reasonable/interesting-point ratio went up. That's indicative of his town game. 3. I agree. Thus why it was scum points. 4. No it's not exclusively 1 liners as town. There was at least 1 game where half or more of his posts were 3-5 lines minimum not counting quotes. | ||
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On December 02 2014 05:48 Holyflare wrote: so why is obi not here defending damdred who he town reads and even said he would defend if that was the case? Fuck if I know. Why do you think this game is exactly the same as his previous mafia game? Point it out. | ||
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On December 02 2014 05:59 Holyflare wrote: His opening in werewolf is equally jokey so irrespective that adds nothing to a town or scum read btw. Anyway, his just general lack of giving a shit and then when he gets pressured instead of his USUAL oh i aint a part of your shenanigans shit! like he usually is it's all apologetic/roll overy/submissive, he has extremely unusual reactions to things that he shouldn't ^ never in my life would i expect a post like that from obi when i'm calling him out for something and when I actually do say this isn't right and how i'd expect him to respond and tell him what I was expecting it's only THEN that he does it when I call something else out: and this reaction is totally unwarranted when it wasn't just me that was interested in this question On September 26 2014 22:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote: lol are you fucking kidding me http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451310-tl-order-lxvi-mafia?page=136#2715 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462188-iv-titanic-mafia-it-has-been-a-privilege?page=128#2553 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462188-iv-titanic-mafia-it-has-been-a-privilege?page=131#2605 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462188-iv-titanic-mafia-it-has-been-a-privilege?page=142#2835 First off, you're wrong. He can get uppity and full of attitude when he's scum. You are right on the fact that his mafia play seems to be idk the word not passive but like always giving in to others opinions and things. Submissive maybe? As for the rest of your meta. Meh. | ||
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On December 02 2014 07:36 Palmar wrote: geript what did you mean with the statistical thing at the start of the day? Like you're trying to lynch your #2 town read from 40 hours ago or something. So we were asked for top 2 town. The problem was that I still thought that HF is crazy enough to pull the tracker claim as scum. JAT I hadn't really bothered to read for a while since he wasn't at the top of my list and he and HF have been bickering for most of the game. I didn't have a good #2. I figured that Sn0 was either red or blue because of dickhattery; with Damdred being mafia, that makes Sn0 3/4 odds of being town which felt better than the 50/50 I was giving most everyone else. But once I was undrunk I realized that if I'm counting Damdred as red, then Sno's 3/4 odds of being town are actually statistically worse than average 7/8 (counting Marv as town). And if I assume that HF's claim is real, then 3/4 becomes 2/3 vs 6/7. | ||
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On December 02 2014 07:49 Holyflare wrote: well it could actually be parity Parity + tracker still op | ||
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On December 02 2014 07:51 Damdred wrote: Yea can't lycnh the un cc'd doc what are you on geript He claims targeting Marv. Marv was Rb'd. HF claimed a track to JAT. JAT hasn't claimed RB. Track + any cop role = OP in a mini. Period. JAT has seemingly denied mason. Doc x2 = broken. Unless we assume one of HF/Sn0 is lying then things don't add up for a mini setup whatsoever. | ||
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On December 02 2014 07:55 justanothertownie wrote: The tracked person could also be mafia?! ok and, whatever. | ||
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On December 02 2014 07:57 Sn0_Man wrote: Is that even a hard counterclaim? tracker/jk/doc? whatever i'm still the doc His response isn't: Palmer can't be JK, it's I'm still doc | ||
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On December 02 2014 08:03 marvellosity wrote: Obi had his vote on hf? For realsies? yah | ||
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On December 02 2014 08:10 Holyflare wrote: should i just reveal my check now? At this point, I really don't know. | ||
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Framer VT VT Miller (wandering neighbor or whatever it's called Claims: Tracker Unconfirmed Doc Jailkeeper We can rule out Mason and Veteran. Watcher would be OP. Parity Cop would be OP but less so if with a JK. Double Tracker would be OP. Miller is a possibility but unlikely. Double Framer seems unlikely. Rolecop seems fine. It's a literal 50/50. | ||
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@JAT. I need to know this 100%. Are you masoned with anyone? | ||
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On December 02 2014 08:30 Superbia wrote: What's the point of that post, geript? Thinking out loud. It helps me organize my thoughts. | ||
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Miller Parity Cop Role Cop Wait, starting masons, weird. guess it didn't matter. It gives us the setup. Setup could be something like: Doc, Tracker, Miller x2, Vet vs RB, Framer, Rolecop OR Doc, Tracker, Miller vs RB, Framer, Goon. The first would be odd with 2 protective roles and I think I've run a setup almost exactly like the second. Or it could be something like: JK, Tracker, Parity Cop, Miller x1-2 vs RB, Rolecop, Framer. I've seen the setup before somewhere (maybe BH ran it) where JK in theory balances out the double investigative role because you can't both protect and investigate. It's a counter wifom setup. | ||
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On December 02 2014 08:47 marvellosity wrote: so it could be possible we have doc/jk if tracker is our investigative role, because it's super weak Doc/JK/Tracker??? That seems pretty broken. Even if tracker is weak. 2 healing roles is crazy strong. | ||
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On December 02 2014 08:50 justanothertownie wrote: 2 wandering Millers seems unlikely, no? No, in a setup like that Tracker gets downplayed because they have to actually figure out any information they find. | ||
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On December 02 2014 08:51 marvellosity wrote: didn't we have a miller flip already? yes | ||
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On December 02 2014 08:52 marvellosity wrote: 2 miller just seems unbelievably unlikely in a 13 man setup In a setup with 2 investigative roles, I don't think so. My usual rule of thumb for trackers is that they need an equal number of town and mafia to be able to track. I wouldn't balk at 2 millers but 1 is fine there too. | ||
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On December 02 2014 08:53 marvellosity wrote: tracker is already easily weakest out of cop/watcher/tracker already Yes but it almost assures a useful investigative result by D3 by having Tracker/Parity. It's balancing. Either way, we're on a tangent. | ||
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On December 02 2014 08:56 justanothertownie wrote: How do 2 wandering millers make sense though? According to your logic the second investigative role would be another tracker then... I love trackers, but part of tracking is that it requires both reading the game (to read who to track) and reading the result. The upside of it is that on a good track it can give you a 100% red check. Parity Cop is really strong in mini's because if it survives it literally owns the game and is exceptionally hard to fakeclaim. On D3 Parity cop should know 2 greens or 1 red and on D4 it flat out solves the game. Essentially, you're replacing a random blue like Vet or Named VT in favor of a weak investigative role, but because you have a strong medic and a strong investigative role you need to weaken town's ability to flat out win by blue play should mafia not get lucky with back-to-back-to-back blue hits. | ||
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On December 02 2014 08:59 Holyflare wrote: so a mafia with a vig and a rber and a framer would be op right? Mafia Vig is OP. Last time I saw one was in Bluelightz? They can claim at any point and pretty much win so long as they don't get checked or endgamed by a cop check. They're like masons in this game (not normal masons) stupid dumb broke. Normal mason would be fine in this game. It's like Named VT with a bonus. | ||
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On December 02 2014 09:03 Holyflare wrote: parity can be against a framer and a gf in this setup so it's not particularly THAT strong I don't think GF and Framer are usually paired up together. But that's actually really interesting. I'm going to have to think about that for a future game. | ||
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On December 02 2014 09:47 marvellosity wrote: geript, you have many assertions that aren't particularly true dear I've been hosting much more than you as of late dear. I have a better idea of how to balance currently. | ||
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On December 02 2014 10:16 marvellosity wrote: let's just say your ideas aren't necessarily the same as others But my ideas are the correct ones. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/X0dRNhnl.jpg) naughty enough? | ||
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On December 02 2014 10:25 marvellosity wrote: kinda horny now But you're always horny from what HF tells me. | ||
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On December 03 2014 02:34 marvellosity wrote: those hosts are terrible then You're making me cry. | ||
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On December 03 2014 02:50 marvellosity wrote: Definitely the worst play i've ever seen. I'll never forget. I'm sure jat can tell you all about it too No Marv, What's his name claiming cop with a green check on Mafia in Bluelightz was much worse. Especially since his purpose for doing it was so that people would think he was town. | ||
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Yes it was. I was a cop. I had a red check on someone I was already pushing who was scummy and I was pushing a second scum WHO HE GREEN CHECKED JUST SO HE COULD BE CONFIRMED TOWN AFTER HE FUCKING DOUBTED MY FUCKING RED CHECK!!!! | ||
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On December 03 2014 07:04 Sn0_Man wrote: wait hes not sentinel visited jat? excellent he's confirmed the rolecop then how? | ||
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Like this setup is 100% fucking broken beyond measure. I don't fucking care what Shioapi said about it. We should've had a rolecop IN THE FUCKING LEAST instead of a Framer. Town should never in a million years get both a tracker and a watcher. Actions should never be locked in 100% unless you're also going to lock the thread to prevent things like that. Mafia should never have a vig. If this were any actual normal setup, mafia 100% wins this game despite Rayn getting himself modkilled. Oh BTW, not only does town get 2 investigative roles, but they also get a doctor instead of a JK. Like this is 100% a mafia win which was 100% fucked over by the host. Not fucked over by the mafia partner that fucked us pretty heavily by getting himself modkilled and leading town into a better direction if they actually payed attention. Not fucked over by our partner who confirmed WoS so we needed to kill him despite actually planning on killing Marv or HF. Oh and by the way, we were "given" a frame job from Rayn because it completely didn't matter. Like I had the blue read on Sn0 really early on and I made the case on HF to force him to out. I could not have possibly played this game better. Town's night actions were mediocre at best. The Watch on HF is the most obvious play ever. Like you can't do that shit because this game is 95% town. Mafia has almost no shot of winning this game unless they shoot the watcher on N1 and the tracker on N2. | ||
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On December 03 2014 08:27 Palmar wrote: I don't think the setup was all that bad. At least not rage-quit bad. Sure, slightly town favored but who cares. The main thing is that rayn got himself modkilled yet again. It's getting really dumb that people, and rayn is one of the worst offender, can't just keep their dick in the pants. Are you fucking kidding me palmer? Watcher is almost as good as alignment cop. Would you ever give a setup Cop, Medic Tracker? No you wouldn't because Cop + Medic are super strong and even stronger together. | ||
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On December 03 2014 08:29 Fecalfeast wrote: geript if this setup stayed the same and rayn did not get modkilled (thereby not 'confirming' WoS) you are saying you still had no chance? Let's say rayn gets lynched D1 instead of modkill and you guys bus his ass, eliminating the byproduct of the modkill. You guys get to kill HF like you wanted to and the game goes on. I am a noob and all but this setup doesn't seem that bad It would require perfect mafia play to win if Rayn didn't get modkilled. Watcher + Tracker together is ridiculously strong. Like town should never EVER have 2 investigative roles in a mini. Like mafia KP is pretty heavily prevented by a medic. Mediocre Watcher play auto catches 1 mafia at least and town has a medic to prevent the role dying. In combination, tracker has a huge ability to confirm people as town in this setup because Tracker, Doc, Watcher means that all mafia have to have a role so no action equals town. Like this is 100% the second dumbest setup I have ever fucking seen for a mini (only Bluelightz beating it out). | ||
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On December 03 2014 08:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Right? Scum was winning super hard, too. Huh. Yah and other than Rayn getting modkilled, this was perfect mafia play. PERFECT MAFIA PLAY!!!! Palmer counter claimed when he should have. Rayn and I were both super strong townreads for everyone. We had multiple mislynches setup. And the house came down because of the setup. That's 100% on the host. Even if Rayn were alive, when one of us gets caught by the watcher, then the house crumbles not in any way because of our play but because of how roles play out. Like even 1 RB can't handle the blues on its own even when we (like this game) get the right blue reads. | ||
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On December 03 2014 08:50 marvellosity wrote: like i really thought sn0 was doctor because his absolute laziness all game ------> claim made such perfect sense but then i didn't know who 2 mafia were TBH, your townread on him was the main reason why I realized he was blue. | ||
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On December 03 2014 08:55 marvellosity wrote: I wonder if I could have caught geript for his repeated ignoring of my insistence that he compare Sn0's play to his mafia play. I kinda just put it down to geript being bad at the time, maybe i need to up my expectations for geript and hold him to them. I honestly don't know how this differed from my town play. I know it did somehow. I don't know if how I meta people as town or scum is different but I feel like it is. I think how I push people is different too. It's a bit easier posting as scum once you stop caring about what you post. | ||
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On December 03 2014 09:01 Damdred wrote: Everyone who funneled me makes me sad Sry. I was scum though... it was kinda my job. | ||
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On December 03 2014 09:05 marvellosity wrote: tbh geript even though we've played quite a few games together over quite a long time period, i don't really know your play at all. it's actually quite weird. Really? That's a big surprise. | ||
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On December 03 2014 09:10 Sn0_Man wrote: geript's glee when palmar counterclaimed felt really off to me Nah, I would've been that happy if I had been town. I would've wanted to lynch the crap out of you for how you played (or more appropriately didn't play). Like don't ever play blue like that again. It's really bad | ||
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On December 03 2014 09:11 marvellosity wrote: never even read that passage of play properly, which probably didn't help ;p I find it kinda funny Marv. Because I'm the type of player that has to read and reread a million times. Honestly, that was the toughest thing for me to do as mafia because there's no real joy in finding mafia. It's a real drag to read and reread when I'm looking for odd things. I was really hoping the HF wouldn't come out until later in D2. I really wanted to see if I could get him lynched. | ||
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On December 03 2014 09:33 GlowingBear wrote: My mislynch was bad by the way Actually it wasn't that terrible. It's hard early on finding a groove that makes you town. | ||
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On December 03 2014 09:37 Holyflare wrote: HAH You can join in too. It'd be fun to analyze the game and shit. | ||
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On December 03 2014 09:37 marvellosity wrote: something that sounds nice geript, but i'm moving this weekend and general christmas things means i'll never actually find the time to do it :/ Hmmm. Maybe I can get a game like Shadow going and we can do a podcast after the game. | ||
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Overall review of town, honestly I think the real problem is that so few people projected towniness well. GB had points where I found him towny, Sent too. Super and Sn0 I'd have been happy to lynch if I had been town. Palmer I never fucking know what to do with. I know Wave bitches/hates the fact that he's good at projecting towniness but bad at finding scum. The honest truth is that just being "towny" and being easily perceived as being "towny" is tough. Like being unlynchable because you're so towny is huge. It's a huge benefit. Granted I try to find scum differently than many people, but I've found that it's far easier and often far more correct to narrow your lynch pool. This game is a bit of an anomaly because there were 2 active scum who were able to come off as super towny and didn't bus each other or the third really. But in general, if you are able to remove 3-4 other players as being town in a mini then you can get a really good lynch off. Narrowing it down to a 50/50 or better is pretty good and it gets better later on. It's weird though because (even as scum) I couldn't find solid reasons for a lot of people to actually be town; then on top if it, I found things that were different about HF so I could retract my townread on him. | ||
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On December 03 2014 13:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Seriously. I can't tell you how much trouble I've had with this in the past, so having someone act like it's not even a thing to not get lynched ever is kinda lame. Plus, Wave found rayn with relative ease and got him to modkill himself. That's like the crowning achievement of mafia: if you can play to the point where you can get a member of the opposite alignment to modkill themselves, you won the game so hard the scoreboard turned into diamonds. I don't think wave had a solid scum read on Rayn fwiw. In many regards, becoming unlynchable takes time. It is in part an extension of experience. It is in part showing your ability to hard carry a game. It is in part the amount of quantifiable effort you put into a game. To explain, veteran players who have any reasonable history of carrying a game (Hapa, Marv, VE, HF, Palmer, Austin, Kita, Foolishness, Keirathi, BH, etc) are just less likely to be lynched because of the downside of being wrong. After you play a bunch of games, you consciously or not get a feel for things that people find towny and things people find scummy. As well, over time you learn how to construct an argument that people find appealing. Honestly, half of looking towny is recognizing other towny individuals and the other half is recognizing individuals who are scummy. That way you organize yourselves into groups that naturally separate town and scum. The last part is effort. For most people, solving a puzzle is far more enjoyable than trying to trick people. So in general, town tries harder than mafia. So when you put in 8 pages of filter including obvious reading/thinking/analyzing you naturally look more towny. Like look at the variety of meta points I used to frame arguments. Sn0 was being useless, not helping, not reading and barely paying attention by his filter. Then I showed his town game included many of those things. It wasn't a simple lurker/asshole not productive argument which didn't work. It showed more effort than just "let's lynch scummy person X." Even Marvs argument on Damdred wasnt a rehash of my case on him. It was all that stuff, close mislynch and circumstantial Rayn information. Long story short, being towny is a lot like giving a memorable gift. The gift needs to be something of value; the gift needs to show sacrifice on the part of the giver; and the giver needs to mean something to the recipient. | ||
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