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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 26 2014 19:41 GMT
#2821
On July 27 2014 04:35 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Killing us would be terrible but I'm not going to even bother arguing because every post i make i get insulted by someone who is actually town somehow.


I Haven t seen anybody insulting you, shopping list.
I'm adorable.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 19:42 GMT
#2822
He also didn't sign it with "Chopin"
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Chopin Liszt
Profile Joined July 2014
United States304 Posts
July 26 2014 19:42 GMT
#2823
On July 27 2014 04:37 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Read page 8-10 of my filter and wonder if i really deserved it

Bach to the basics.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2014 19:42 GMT
#2824
You came in after the lynch and shamelessly pushed every townie you could find.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2014 19:44 GMT
#2825
On July 27 2014 04:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 04:35 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Killing us would be terrible but I'm not going to even bother arguing because every post i make i get insulted by someone who is actually town somehow.


I Haven t seen anybody insulting you, shopping list.

inb4 HF his biggest contribution will be quoting all the post in which I insult him.
I had a good night of sleep.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 19:44 GMT
#2826
HF, could you show us something to make us believe in you? Even my belief is starting to waver. What we need now is divine guidance.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2014 19:44 GMT
#2827
meh. I am out of this thread.

Talk to HF Xatalos. You got him as town.
I had a good night of sleep.
Chopin Liszt
Profile Joined July 2014
United States304 Posts
July 26 2014 19:46 GMT
#2828
On July 27 2014 04:42 Koshi wrote:
You came in after the lynch and shamelessly pushed every townie you could find.


I came in when i stopped puking blood and kept myself up to date so i could post information. Please enlighten me where my posts were garbage/trash/fucking useless/terrible/to ignore everything i say in the pages i was active of 8-10.

Bach to the basics.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 19:47 GMT
#2829
Tbh it's a bit unsettling that neither marv nor HF has done much to guide the game into a constructive direction :/ HF, you must redeem yourself.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 19:47 GMT
#2830
Scumreads? Townreads? Etc.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 26 2014 19:48 GMT
#2831
On July 27 2014 04:29 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 04:24 Xatalos wrote:
On July 27 2014 04:14 Koshi wrote:
On July 27 2014 02:27 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 27 2014 02:13 Koshi wrote:
Nha. afk 18 hours.

marv/VA


You are tunnelling. Really, you are.
Look, all we've got from those two are WIFOM scenarios. I find marv suspicious because he is not the aggressive marv I saw on vets vs juniors, but I don't know, I still believe he could be town. If you believe marv is hard defending Vayne, you also da believe that regarding Xatalos and if marv is scum, you have to admit that one of the. Is certainly town. You can use this argument against me because I said that Xatalos was being hard defended by possible scum, but this is only one of FIVE arguments not based on WIFOM.

Vayne's reason to lynch is WIFOM. Look, it all starts with "he fake claimed, so he is mafia". Then it goes to "but it is a bad move as mafia, so he is probably town". Then, "but marv and him probably made this so we think that they are both town when they are actually mafia". When you reach this level of thinking, you know it's WIFOM and that it's better to gather more information/search for actual facts than using this as the basis of a lynch.

I want to lynch into 3 people only:
Marv/VA/Xatalos

Both VA and Xatalos don't want to kill marv. Both VA and Xatalos want(ed) to kill each other.

The answer: Kill marv.


I think you should remove me and marv from today's lynch-list and look at other possibilities.

I've already explained why it's very risky to lynch marv today (huge loss if he's town, maybe even blue) and besides he's most likely absorbing a bullet tonight anyway. If not, then he has more time to use his analysis / role OR he'll be lynched for being alive / not really achieving much for that long. It's just better to postpone judgment on him.

As for me, well, I'm VT and I haven't really achieved that much yet. But it should be pretty evident from my play that this is not how I play scum. You only need to take a look at any of my scumgames. I never post freely in the thread whatever I'm thinking as scum.



This post has convinced me of a few things

##unvote
##Vote Chopin Liszt


What things?
I'm adorable.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 19:48 GMT
#2832
Well, I guess you could say saving me was a constructive effort. But after that.... Not really much.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 19:51 GMT
#2833
On July 27 2014 04:30 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 04:24 Xatalos wrote:
On July 27 2014 04:14 Koshi wrote:
On July 27 2014 02:27 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 27 2014 02:13 Koshi wrote:
Nha. afk 18 hours.

marv/VA


You are tunnelling. Really, you are.
Look, all we've got from those two are WIFOM scenarios. I find marv suspicious because he is not the aggressive marv I saw on vets vs juniors, but I don't know, I still believe he could be town. If you believe marv is hard defending Vayne, you also da believe that regarding Xatalos and if marv is scum, you have to admit that one of the. Is certainly town. You can use this argument against me because I said that Xatalos was being hard defended by possible scum, but this is only one of FIVE arguments not based on WIFOM.

Vayne's reason to lynch is WIFOM. Look, it all starts with "he fake claimed, so he is mafia". Then it goes to "but it is a bad move as mafia, so he is probably town". Then, "but marv and him probably made this so we think that they are both town when they are actually mafia". When you reach this level of thinking, you know it's WIFOM and that it's better to gather more information/search for actual facts than using this as the basis of a lynch.

I want to lynch into 3 people only:
Marv/VA/Xatalos

Both VA and Xatalos don't want to kill marv. Both VA and Xatalos want(ed) to kill each other.

The answer: Kill marv.


I think you should remove me and marv from today's lynch-list and look at other possibilities.

I've already explained why it's very risky to lynch marv today (huge loss if he's town, maybe even blue) and besides he's most likely absorbing a bullet tonight anyway. If not, then he has more time to use his analysis / role OR he'll be lynched for being alive / not really achieving much for that long. It's just better to postpone judgment on him.

As for me, well, I'm VT and I haven't really achieved that much yet. But it should be pretty evident from my play that this is not how I play scum. You only need to take a look at any of my scumgames. I never post freely in the thread whatever I'm thinking as scum.

THEN SHOW ME A BETTER LYNCH PLEASE.

Like really show it to me.

REALLY FUCKING make it obvious.


Because the only thing you do is sogt push me somewhere else and it annoys the living shit out of me because I think you are town.


Oh, and to this (forgot to post earlier):

I had a similar problem in Golden Sun where I just couldn't find great (or even decent) lynches. Although in that game it was made worse by the conversion mechanics. Here that problem doesn't exist, but I guess all the scum are pretty good at avoiding errors / blending in.

I don't think I can make a good case atm. There are various slightly suspicious posts by several people but nothing really truly stands out. At least in my opinion, at the moment. That's kind of why I'd want to the safe route and lynch someone like VA (okay chance of being scum, nothing lost if town).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 26 2014 19:51 GMT
#2834
Inactivity in this game is upsetting me.
Obi/batsnacks/CR/Teemu/Vivax...
It bores me because at least 3 are townies and they're not contributing day2
I'm adorable.
Chopin Liszt
Profile Joined July 2014
United States304 Posts
July 26 2014 19:53 GMT
#2835
Marv said he was busy today and i told him i refuse to play in a game that is full of outright terrible behaviour. He didn't really mind because he agreed.

Everyone is pushing the VA scummy thing but for some reason the scum play 1000x outweighs the more than likely town play. If batsnacks had any thought about reading this game he could have not claimed, mafia wouldn't know who vig was and batsnacks could claim if va didn't die. If va did die he could have easily real claimed then too. So why is it that cr et al vekieve the really farfetched mafia play instead?

In fact koshi linked all these fake claims and they all ended up being fake rb's which is nothing like this but multiple ppl lapped it up. Also the poimt about rayn calling obi an asshole is so terrible because it's contained in one sentence and then completely dropped. Obi also never follows up his scum read on rayn and totally is playing to world cup standard of doing nothing. He was on waves stream instead of playing here too a day or two ago. He is disinterested.
Bach to the basics.
Chopin Liszt
Profile Joined July 2014
United States304 Posts
July 26 2014 19:58 GMT
#2836
Sticking to read of xata being town. No mafia would believe and make the play of not claiming a proper role vetween vt/prep vt thinking they'd die. It's so farfetched and silly.
Bach to the basics.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 20:03 GMT
#2837
Good, good. More like this.

Btw ObiWan defended VA earlier and I think it makes him a bit more likely town. Basically limiting his options of mislynching for no real reason unless VA is his teammate.

Still not sure about VA, but I think he's null at best, and quite potentially scum. He's a lot more reserved than I've seen from his town play, plus he's made list posts that apparently fits his scum play..... Maybe.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 26 2014 20:04 GMT
#2838
On July 27 2014 04:22 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 04:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 26 2014 20:50 Koshi wrote:
Obiwan. Evertything you said is not happening. I am townreading you and damdred. VA is an entirely other story. CR explains it really good.


At this point, anyway.

Also, I'm not entirely sure why Vivax's posts pacified me so much on day 1, because they were both filled with lots of useless fluff like "push your lynch target" and stupid shit like that.

Can we get some sort of "Obiwan total view of the game" post from you?

Something that proves you are following this game, thinking about this game and contains your solution to winning this game.


I don't have a solution to winning this game right now and I'm not going to pretend to. If I see something that makes me gun really hard for someone, you bet your ass I will. But I don't see anything superscum as of right now.

I don't understand why you put so much effort into trying to kill me/pressure me every single time you roll town. If I have a really good read and I want to be heard, you'll hear it.

Though, for the sake of contributing, I will say that lynching VA at this point should be considered nothing more than a policy lynch for doing nothing. If we're actually lynching him for fakeclaiming and rescinding, that's like epicmafia levels of derp. People do it all the time there and I don't see any difference between then and now.

I really need someone to walk me through it and I don't feel like CR's explanation was good enough to warrant my vote. If we can find scummy shit besides the supposed fakeclaim, then yeah, I might be able to get behind it. I just don't see it as alignment indicative and this lynch feels kinda lazy.

Vivax's scumread on me earlier in day 1 felt really contrived, and in hindsight, I have no idea why I let him talk me out of pushing him when he started posting a bunch of generic advice like "do this to be read as town, or don't and be scum," or, "push your lynch target," etc etc. A bunch of people are townreading him because of meta, and I'd like that explained to me at some point.

Though I will admit that my vote on Marv is nothing more than an OMGUS because his lists/reasonings are really lazy and I'd prefer to not die. I guess that makes me kinda selfish. He looks nothing like the domineering, impactful player that he was in Order, either.

I actually intended to give you next to nothing but I guess I kind of rambled about some stuff.
Retired.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 26 2014 20:04 GMT
#2839
Hm. I guess VA+ObiWan could work as a potential team?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 26 2014 20:04 GMT
#2840
On July 27 2014 04:48 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 04:29 Damdred wrote:
On July 27 2014 04:24 Xatalos wrote:
On July 27 2014 04:14 Koshi wrote:
On July 27 2014 02:27 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 27 2014 02:13 Koshi wrote:
Nha. afk 18 hours.

marv/VA


You are tunnelling. Really, you are.
Look, all we've got from those two are WIFOM scenarios. I find marv suspicious because he is not the aggressive marv I saw on vets vs juniors, but I don't know, I still believe he could be town. If you believe marv is hard defending Vayne, you also da believe that regarding Xatalos and if marv is scum, you have to admit that one of the. Is certainly town. You can use this argument against me because I said that Xatalos was being hard defended by possible scum, but this is only one of FIVE arguments not based on WIFOM.

Vayne's reason to lynch is WIFOM. Look, it all starts with "he fake claimed, so he is mafia". Then it goes to "but it is a bad move as mafia, so he is probably town". Then, "but marv and him probably made this so we think that they are both town when they are actually mafia". When you reach this level of thinking, you know it's WIFOM and that it's better to gather more information/search for actual facts than using this as the basis of a lynch.

I want to lynch into 3 people only:
Marv/VA/Xatalos

Both VA and Xatalos don't want to kill marv. Both VA and Xatalos want(ed) to kill each other.

The answer: Kill marv.


I think you should remove me and marv from today's lynch-list and look at other possibilities.

I've already explained why it's very risky to lynch marv today (huge loss if he's town, maybe even blue) and besides he's most likely absorbing a bullet tonight anyway. If not, then he has more time to use his analysis / role OR he'll be lynched for being alive / not really achieving much for that long. It's just better to postpone judgment on him.

As for me, well, I'm VT and I haven't really achieved that much yet. But it should be pretty evident from my play that this is not how I play scum. You only need to take a look at any of my scumgames. I never post freely in the thread whatever I'm thinking as scum.



This post has convinced me of a few things

##unvote
##Vote Chopin Liszt


What things?


Yea my phone cut me of while I was trying to write more I guess, but I really dislike Xat and his gentle prodding towards another target even though he doesn't provide one. I really hate how most of Xatalos posts are like this gently prodding towards a much weaker target at that point in the thread (granted its me or VA at that point in the thread).

Chopin pushed off ofXatalos earlier in the game so he wasn't lynched now Xat is pushing off of him, its really possible hes just repaying the favor i'm just convinced one is scum at the moment. If not both. However i'm convincing myself to unvote Chopin now....I am going to filter dive him where he says and look elsewhere I want to see what I can find before i put my vote back on him..

##Unvote

i am honestly having a hard time right now trying to figure this out going to go read more, I still really read Xatalos as scummy though
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