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On July 27 2014 04:51 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2014 04:30 Koshi wrote:On July 27 2014 04:24 Xatalos wrote:On July 27 2014 04:14 Koshi wrote:On July 27 2014 02:27 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 02:13 Koshi wrote:
Nha. afk 18 hours.
marv/VA You are tunnelling. Really, you are. Look, all we've got from those two are WIFOM scenarios. I find marv suspicious because he is not the aggressive marv I saw on vets vs juniors, but I don't know, I still believe he could be town. If you believe marv is hard defending Vayne, you also da believe that regarding Xatalos and if marv is scum, you have to admit that one of the. Is certainly town. You can use this argument against me because I said that Xatalos was being hard defended by possible scum, but this is only one of FIVE arguments not based on WIFOM. Vayne's reason to lynch is WIFOM. Look, it all starts with "he fake claimed, so he is mafia". Then it goes to "but it is a bad move as mafia, so he is probably town". Then, "but marv and him probably made this so we think that they are both town when they are actually mafia". When you reach this level of thinking, you know it's WIFOM and that it's better to gather more information/search for actual facts than using this as the basis of a lynch. I want to lynch into 3 people only: Marv/VA/Xatalos Both VA and Xatalos don't want to kill marv. Both VA and Xatalos want(ed) to kill each other. The answer: Kill marv. I think you should remove me and marv from today's lynch-list and look at other possibilities. I've already explained why it's very risky to lynch marv today (huge loss if he's town, maybe even blue) and besides he's most likely absorbing a bullet tonight anyway. If not, then he has more time to use his analysis / role OR he'll be lynched for being alive / not really achieving much for that long. It's just better to postpone judgment on him. As for me, well, I'm VT and I haven't really achieved that much yet. But it should be pretty evident from my play that this is not how I play scum. You only need to take a look at any of my scumgames. I never post freely in the thread whatever I'm thinking as scum. THEN SHOW ME A BETTER LYNCH PLEASE. Like really show it to me. REALLY FUCKING make it obvious. Because the only thing you do is sogt push me somewhere else and it annoys the living shit out of me because I think you are town. Oh, and to this (forgot to post earlier): I had a similar problem in Golden Sun where I just couldn't find great (or even decent) lynches. Although in that game it was made worse by the conversion mechanics. Here that problem doesn't exist, but I guess all the scum are pretty good at avoiding errors / blending in. I don't think I can make a good case atm. There are various slightly suspicious posts by several people but nothing really truly stands out. At least in my opinion, at the moment. That's kind of why I'd want to the safe route and lynch someone like VA (okay chance of being scum, nothing lost if town).
This, a thousand times over this. I seriously don't get why people are pushing anything with certainty when there's not really a whole lot out there worth pushing. I feel like this VA lynch is kind of an excuse because, no matter what he flips, people will be glad he's gone.
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On July 27 2014 05:04 Xatalos wrote:
Hm. I guess VA+ObiWan could work as a potential team?
Associative reads between unflipped players are dumb.
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On July 27 2014 05:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2014 04:51 Xatalos wrote:On July 27 2014 04:30 Koshi wrote:On July 27 2014 04:24 Xatalos wrote:On July 27 2014 04:14 Koshi wrote:On July 27 2014 02:27 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 02:13 Koshi wrote:
Nha. afk 18 hours.
marv/VA You are tunnelling. Really, you are. Look, all we've got from those two are WIFOM scenarios. I find marv suspicious because he is not the aggressive marv I saw on vets vs juniors, but I don't know, I still believe he could be town. If you believe marv is hard defending Vayne, you also da believe that regarding Xatalos and if marv is scum, you have to admit that one of the. Is certainly town. You can use this argument against me because I said that Xatalos was being hard defended by possible scum, but this is only one of FIVE arguments not based on WIFOM. Vayne's reason to lynch is WIFOM. Look, it all starts with "he fake claimed, so he is mafia". Then it goes to "but it is a bad move as mafia, so he is probably town". Then, "but marv and him probably made this so we think that they are both town when they are actually mafia". When you reach this level of thinking, you know it's WIFOM and that it's better to gather more information/search for actual facts than using this as the basis of a lynch. I want to lynch into 3 people only: Marv/VA/Xatalos Both VA and Xatalos don't want to kill marv. Both VA and Xatalos want(ed) to kill each other. The answer: Kill marv. I think you should remove me and marv from today's lynch-list and look at other possibilities. I've already explained why it's very risky to lynch marv today (huge loss if he's town, maybe even blue) and besides he's most likely absorbing a bullet tonight anyway. If not, then he has more time to use his analysis / role OR he'll be lynched for being alive / not really achieving much for that long. It's just better to postpone judgment on him. As for me, well, I'm VT and I haven't really achieved that much yet. But it should be pretty evident from my play that this is not how I play scum. You only need to take a look at any of my scumgames. I never post freely in the thread whatever I'm thinking as scum. THEN SHOW ME A BETTER LYNCH PLEASE. Like really show it to me. REALLY FUCKING make it obvious. Because the only thing you do is sogt push me somewhere else and it annoys the living shit out of me because I think you are town. Oh, and to this (forgot to post earlier): I had a similar problem in Golden Sun where I just couldn't find great (or even decent) lynches. Although in that game it was made worse by the conversion mechanics. Here that problem doesn't exist, but I guess all the scum are pretty good at avoiding errors / blending in. I don't think I can make a good case atm. There are various slightly suspicious posts by several people but nothing really truly stands out. At least in my opinion, at the moment. That's kind of why I'd want to the safe route and lynch someone like VA (okay chance of being scum, nothing lost if town). This, a thousand times over this. I seriously don't get why people are pushing anything with certainty when there's not really a whole lot out there worth pushing. I feel like this VA lynch is kind of an excuse because, no matter what he flips, people will be glad he's gone.
This is true on some level. I wouldn't want to see him at LYLO regardless of his alignment. It's partly just a bonus that nothing makes him town really + most of the alive players are confirmed in some way = decent odds of getting a scum lynch even if the case on him isn't strong.
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On July 27 2014 05:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2014 05:04 Xatalos wrote:
Hm. I guess VA+ObiWan could work as a potential team? Associative reads between unflipped players are dumb.
True  (although that was just me thinking out loud)
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I really hope HF didn't just post that and leave :/
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I really hope VA is scum.
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He probably isn't. But I don't think it matters because people are obsessed with murdering him regardless.
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Right now I just feel like I don't know what to believe..
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I can't wait to get Xatalos out of this game. I don't know what I was thinking switching to Vivax day 1.
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On July 27 2014 05:20 Xatalos wrote:
HF, you there?
i'm here why?
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1000x harder when there's no vote counts -.-
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On July 27 2014 06:05 Chopin Liszt wrote:
1000x harder when there's no vote counts -.-
The hosts are just making things authentic. There were no fancy vote counts in 1912 people had to count votes themselves.
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On July 27 2014 06:05 Chopin Liszt wrote:
1000x harder when there's no vote counts -.-
Yes. Finding scum is easier with vote counts.
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HF has said nothing new and is just townreading people.
On July 27 2014 04:53 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Marv said he was busy today and i told him i refuse to play in a game that is full of outright terrible behaviour. He didn't really mind because he agreed.
Everyone is pushing the VA scummy thing but for some reason the scum play 1000x outweighs the more than likely town play. If batsnacks had any thought about reading this game he could have not claimed, mafia wouldn't know who vig was and batsnacks could claim if va didn't die. If va did die he could have easily real claimed then too. So why is it that cr et al vekieve the really farfetched mafia play instead?
In fact koshi linked all these fake claims and they all ended up being fake rb's which is nothing like this but multiple ppl lapped it up. Also the poimt about rayn calling obi an asshole is so terrible because it's contained in one sentence and then completely dropped. Obi also never follows up his scum read on rayn and totally is playing to world cup standard of doing nothing. He was on waves stream instead of playing here too a day or two ago. He is disinterested.
Is the scumteam Chopin + unknown one or something?
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On July 27 2014 06:19 Koshi wrote:HF has said nothing new and is just townreading people. Show nested quote +On July 27 2014 04:53 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Marv said he was busy today and i told him i refuse to play in a game that is full of outright terrible behaviour. He didn't really mind because he agreed.
Everyone is pushing the VA scummy thing but for some reason the scum play 1000x outweighs the more than likely town play. If batsnacks had any thought about reading this game he could have not claimed, mafia wouldn't know who vig was and batsnacks could claim if va didn't die. If va did die he could have easily real claimed then too. So why is it that cr et al vekieve the really farfetched mafia play instead?
In fact koshi linked all these fake claims and they all ended up being fake rb's which is nothing like this but multiple ppl lapped it up. Also the poimt about rayn calling obi an asshole is so terrible because it's contained in one sentence and then completely dropped. Obi also never follows up his scum read on rayn and totally is playing to world cup standard of doing nothing. He was on waves stream instead of playing here too a day or two ago. He is disinterested. Is the scumteam Chopin + unknown one or something?
It's Obiwan and Xatalos.
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Read all the posts HF made.
He really is suggesting the scumteam is the lynchbait people.
Look at the fucking night kills people.
marv not killed. Vivax + Koshi not killed. Xatalos not killed.
Do you think that makes sense with Obiwan + Damdred as scum?
They killed Palmar and Kush?
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On July 27 2014 06:20 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2014 06:19 Koshi wrote:HF has said nothing new and is just townreading people. On July 27 2014 04:53 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Marv said he was busy today and i told him i refuse to play in a game that is full of outright terrible behaviour. He didn't really mind because he agreed.
Everyone is pushing the VA scummy thing but for some reason the scum play 1000x outweighs the more than likely town play. If batsnacks had any thought about reading this game he could have not claimed, mafia wouldn't know who vig was and batsnacks could claim if va didn't die. If va did die he could have easily real claimed then too. So why is it that cr et al vekieve the really farfetched mafia play instead?
In fact koshi linked all these fake claims and they all ended up being fake rb's which is nothing like this but multiple ppl lapped it up. Also the poimt about rayn calling obi an asshole is so terrible because it's contained in one sentence and then completely dropped. Obi also never follows up his scum read on rayn and totally is playing to world cup standard of doing nothing. He was on waves stream instead of playing here too a day or two ago. He is disinterested. Is the scumteam Chopin + unknown one or something? It's Obiwan and Xatalos.
It isn't. It really isn't.
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On July 27 2014 06:21 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2014 06:20 batsnacks wrote:On July 27 2014 06:19 Koshi wrote:HF has said nothing new and is just townreading people. On July 27 2014 04:53 Chopin Liszt wrote:
Marv said he was busy today and i told him i refuse to play in a game that is full of outright terrible behaviour. He didn't really mind because he agreed.
Everyone is pushing the VA scummy thing but for some reason the scum play 1000x outweighs the more than likely town play. If batsnacks had any thought about reading this game he could have not claimed, mafia wouldn't know who vig was and batsnacks could claim if va didn't die. If va did die he could have easily real claimed then too. So why is it that cr et al vekieve the really farfetched mafia play instead?
In fact koshi linked all these fake claims and they all ended up being fake rb's which is nothing like this but multiple ppl lapped it up. Also the poimt about rayn calling obi an asshole is so terrible because it's contained in one sentence and then completely dropped. Obi also never follows up his scum read on rayn and totally is playing to world cup standard of doing nothing. He was on waves stream instead of playing here too a day or two ago. He is disinterested. Is the scumteam Chopin + unknown one or something? It's Obiwan and Xatalos. It isn't. It really isn't.
It is. It really is.
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