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On November 28 2014 04:04 GlowingBear wrote:

You were pushing suspicion onto me because I am a "big-post player" and I hadn't posted any big posts. This means you indirectly claim a meta-read on me, in which you say that I only post big posts if I'm town. When I call you out to specify where you get this meta-read from, you mention the fanfic game, in which I was town. The fact that you fail to mention the game in which I was scum and you were obsing, makes this meta-read utterly irrelevant. Maybe big posts are not alignment indicative for me at all. Which leads me to the following conclusion: Your meta-read is shit and contributes absolutely nothing towards town.

This leads to a multitude of other questions. You of course should know that you had obsed a game in which I was scum, which means that there was a reason you didn't bring it up over the vague "big posts" read. The reason would have to be:
1. You don't bring it up because there is no similary to my scum-game, hence it doesn't fit the agenda of lynching me. Scum-motivated.
2. You don't bring it up because you haven't put a lot of time into OBSing that game, which you claim. The problem here is that you feel comfortable having an out-dated and incomplete (only town) meta-read on me and are comfortable pushing on this read. I feel like you are a competent player, and this is not something you would do as town. Hence it's scum-motivated.

There is a secondary problem with your "I wasn't following it closely" defense, in that I think it's an outright lie. In the OBS QT, you call me out on multiple occasions as scum, which indicates that you were paying attention to my posts, and that you had managed to gather a read on me in some way. The fact you had managed to read me as scum multiple times in the OBS QT proves that you had been paying attention to my posts in the game, and that your defense here is a complete fabrication of truth.

On November 28 2014 04:04 GlowingBear wrote:

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On November 28 2014 02:08 Superbia wrote:
Let's move on to the rest of your game so far:

On November 27 2014 12:40 GlowingBear wrote:

On November 27 2014 10:27 Holyflare wrote:

On November 27 2014 10:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
1) Meh. Mafia always want to open early anyway since it becomes harder to open the longer the game goes on, so I don't see how you can draw such a definitive conclusion about someone not being here early. At the very least, this is how I would do it, so I don't put much stock into it.

2) Defensiveness isn't really a scumtell when you're threatening to lynch people off of very little. I fail to see how what you said dictates his alignment.

not when role pm's get sent out an hour early because that's a whole hour of a mafia pm being left to sink in and so he'd just give up and go to bed early at rolling mafia in this probably stacked game

i'm almost positive the first message in the qt is like "we're so fucked"

look at your response, i ask you to comment on something you are reluctant but end up doing it anyway
look at his response, i ask him to comment on it and he gives a VERY generic "i dont vote on ANYONE EVER early" response and then criticises me and leaves

what good natured towny wants to shut down any productive discussion even if it's misplaced? the answer is no good natured towny ever

I think holyflare is wrong. Believing JAT would be here doesn't makes him scum. I understand what HF says but that's too much WIFOM.
I find weird the "we are fucked" thing. I can't understand how HF got to this conclusion.
Keeping up a bad argument isn't scummy. I can see townie coming from that perspective. I also can see mafia. It means his post is null unless it is connected to some further behaviour.s

I hate this post. You basically discredit HF's case but draw zero conclusions from it. What's the point? Why do you feel a need to comment on the case if you have nothing to add and JAT hasn't even posted yet? How does this help town? Protip: it doesn't.
So you don't think that pointing out a bad argument that makes no one mafia doesn't help town? The conclusion I've drawn from it is that HFs case on JAT is wrong. I'm trying to put town on the right track

The flaw in this defense is that you would have to assume both HF and JAT are town. The collision between the two players could easily provide town with information regarding their alignments, this is what pressuring players is all about. I don't understand why a veteran player like yourself would not want to see this play out if you were town, as you would be able to gather information yourself regarding the alignment of these two players. Moreover, you really did not put town into a track at all. You basically gave a small number of players a less than cursory glance before deciding to put down a vote without any proper logic behind it. Pretty damn scummy.

On November 28 2014 04:04 GlowingBear wrote:

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On November 28 2014 02:08 Superbia wrote:

On November 27 2014 21:45 GlowingBear wrote:

On November 27 2014 08:31 geript wrote:
Had what do you think of Sn0's opening? Like I dislike how awkward and unfunny it is. It feels worse to me because I remember him as a player who likes to fuck around a lot in the beginning. It was just a hit it and quit it thing. I also dislike how uncomfortable it comes off as in his response. Conversely though, he's a little dgaf which can be towny.

I don't like this post. He makes it sound like snow is mafia for being unfunny, which, obviously, isn't a mafia trait. Snow likes to fuck around, well, that's what he did. If he had little participation, that's also not alignment indicative.

Funny thing though is that geript concluded his thoughts saying that snow has a town trait.

Which makes geripts post useless. Content less.

Yet previously you say:

On November 27 2014 12:40 GlowingBear wrote:

I like and hate this post at the same time.

What did you like about the post before? Because you just said that the post had no content and was useless. Moreover, you manage to make two posts about the same fucking post and manage to draw zero conclusions from it.
The conclusion is that that post is bad and we should take a look on geript. And that's what we did.
Funny thing that, in the other hand, you rush to draw conclusions from something you don't even have complete information yet ("what is good in this post"). You're trying to point out scummy things in me without even considering the whole scenario.
The good thing about this post is that townies often call bad things out to generate discussion. Pointing that it's a bad argument is also part of the town role.

I will concede that this was not the meat of my argument as to why you were scum, and more questioning what you were doing as town. I feel like you have answered this part of my query, but it does not make you town. Also, I don't feel like anything substantial came out of you looking at Geript.

On November 28 2014 04:04 GlowingBear wrote:

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I don't believe this. I feel no new player would be proactive and disruptive as scum. They are way more likely to try and blend in with town, preferring to be passive. This is, however, a matter of opinion, or at best, conjecture, which makes it a weak argument as to (from your point of view) the strength and motivation of this read.

That being said, you end by saying "we should take a look at X", something which you have said before (at least once). As town, "we" should be looking at everyone. The fact that all you are saying is that town should "take a look at X" just screams scum to me. Talk about being non-committal and not useful.

On November 28 2014 04:04 GlowingBear wrote:

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Non-answer. Scumreading someone and then putting your vote outside of your scum-read is indeed scummy. What have you done with your scum-read so far? Absolutely nothing. Do you truly believe I am scum here? I sincerely doubt it. I fail to see any town motivation behind the vote, which makes it scummy in my mind.

On November 28 2014 04:04 GlowingBear wrote:Everything is forced in your case. I wonder if you're trying to generate discussion but it doesn't seems the case. It seems you're trying to look town tryhard. "Aggressiveness is a town trait, I'll be aggressive!"

My vote stays on you, now.

This is not a counter-argument whatsoever. Which parts of the posts were forced? How did you reach this conclusion? This entire section of the post only makes sense if you had a hard scum-read on me before the post, which you didn't. And even then it requires a healthy amount of suspension of critical thinking to conclude that I essentially made the post to "appear townie". Talk about forced reactions.

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