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On November 28 2014 09:23 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:20 marvellosity wrote:
damn son, i have a shedload of posts (many of them pointless i admit) and you don't have a read on me?
D: Leaning town if anything. I haven't really had a reason to care that much. Wait, what?? Why?
Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting.
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On November 28 2014 09:25 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:20 marvellosity wrote:
damn son, i have a shedload of posts (many of them pointless i admit) and you don't have a read on me?
D: Leaning town if anything. I haven't really had a reason to care that much. Wait, what?? Why? Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting. You're basically saying that you don't care for discovering people's alignment, only if they vote for you.
I don't even think you genuinely believe this. I did look at people who voted on me first, mainly because I know my alignment and I thought I had been pretty damn townie. I initially read you scummy because of your meta-read on me, which I know for a fact to be a 100% false. That being said, my town play for d1 is not to discover everyone's alignments. I look for standout scummy things and push on those, you stood out, I'm pushing on you.
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On November 28 2014 09:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 09:32 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:25 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:20 marvellosity wrote:
damn son, i have a shedload of posts (many of them pointless i admit) and you don't have a read on me?
D: Leaning town if anything. I haven't really had a reason to care that much. Wait, what?? Why? Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting. You're basically saying that you don't care for discovering people's alignment, only if they vote for you. I don't even think you genuinely believe this. I did look at people who voted on me first, mainly because I know my alignment and I thought I had been pretty damn townie. I initially read you scummy because of your meta-read on me, which I know for a fact to be a 100% false. That being said, my town play for d1 is not to discover everyone's alignments. I look for standout scummy things and push on those, you stood out, I'm pushing on you. At what point did you think this? Your filter was literally full of absolutely nothing when I was talking about it with jat earlier. Before your GB stuff.
Basically before the GB thing as well. It wasn't until Geript pointed out that I actually had been pretty passive that I realized that I had been.
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On November 28 2014 09:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 09:10 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 08:52 Holyflare wrote:
I meant your previous points were a rehash. These new ones are pretty much just continuing to point out the same things in a different way. His elvis read was bad and scummy = his elvis read was bad because he's new.
Your only real new point is that he used bs meta and refused to respond about what he did being scummy which he did exactly tje same way to me already Right. I'm not going to lie, I did not really register your points on GB at all. Let me give a quick recap: 1. GB says something regarding my meta, which I recognize as weak and wrong, I make an in-depth push on it. 2. I check out GB's filter and notice the following: - Weak push on Elvis for a bad reason. - Vote do not align correctly with reads (I did notice you pushed on this as well, but I do not recall seeing any follow up). - Cursory reads with no conclusions. - Trying to devalue your case for no good reason. Hence I scum-read him and take up this in my case. My case was rather complete, so it makes sense that it would include points that might've been brought up before. Do you genuinely feel like my points were a complete or partial rehash of your points? What does this say about my alignment? I think you're confusing things here. You asked why i was uninterested and I'm telling you because of smash and you saying things I've already said /agree with
Fair enough then. So you think GB's mafia?
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On November 28 2014 09:37 marvellosity wrote:
it's a marvel to me that you thought you'd been townie. what did you *think* you'd done that had been townie?
Roll town, lol. I did not think that there was specifically something I had done that was townie, it was more like I felt like my townieness would show because I was town. If that makes sense.
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On November 28 2014 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 09:32 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:25 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:20 marvellosity wrote:
damn son, i have a shedload of posts (many of them pointless i admit) and you don't have a read on me?
D: Leaning town if anything. I haven't really had a reason to care that much. Wait, what?? Why? Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting. You're basically saying that you don't care for discovering people's alignment, only if they vote for you. I don't even think you genuinely believe this. I did look at people who voted on me first, mainly because I know my alignment and I thought I had been pretty damn townie. I initially read you scummy because of your meta-read on me, which I know for a fact to be a 100% false. That being said, my town play for d1 is not to discover everyone's alignments. I look for standout scummy things and push on those, you stood out, I'm pushing on you. A lot had been discussed regarding scum traits, yet you only have a scumread on the only person who is voting you. When I ask you about one of the most active players you say you don't have a read (which is okay) because you don't care!? (which is not okay). So you think HF's case on JAT was good. He has been calling JAT scum. Yet only I stood out for you?
I don't think the source of the scum-read matters if the scum-read is good, do you?
I can see why you think me not really caring that much might irk you as town, but I've explained my d1 play before. What exactly is the confusion here?
I did not feel strongly about JAT's case, but I was interested in the outcome. You were the one that stood out the most to me, I felt like your filter was pretty damn scummy, which is why I made a big case on you.
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On November 28 2014 09:54 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 09:49 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:32 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:25 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:20 marvellosity wrote:
damn son, i have a shedload of posts (many of them pointless i admit) and you don't have a read on me?
D: Leaning town if anything. I haven't really had a reason to care that much. Wait, what?? Why? Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting. You're basically saying that you don't care for discovering people's alignment, only if they vote for you. I don't even think you genuinely believe this. I did look at people who voted on me first, mainly because I know my alignment and I thought I had been pretty damn townie. I initially read you scummy because of your meta-read on me, which I know for a fact to be a 100% false. That being said, my town play for d1 is not to discover everyone's alignments. I look for standout scummy things and push on those, you stood out, I'm pushing on you. A lot had been discussed regarding scum traits, yet you only have a scumread on the only person who is voting you. When I ask you about one of the most active players you say you don't have a read (which is okay) because you don't care!? (which is not okay). So you think HF's case on JAT was good. He has been calling JAT scum. Yet only I stood out for you? I don't think the source of the scum-read matters if the scum-read is good, do you? I can see why you think me not really caring that much might irk you as town, but I've explained my d1 play before. What exactly is the confusion here? I did not feel strongly about JAT's case, but I was interested in the outcome. You were the one that stood out the most to me, I felt like your filter was pretty damn scummy, which is why I made a big case on you. So I'm scum for pointing out the JAT case as bad, yet you didn't feel it was strong. Wanna know the outcome? I can tell you: "You're scum for [insert bad reason]" "I'm town because [insert null reason]" I'm totes scum. Marv also tore those two apart. He was the first one to do that, actually. Why aren't you scumreading him? The way you say that you play day1 means nothing to me. The way I see you playing is most important to me.
Yeah I remember Marv doing this, but I felt like it came from a more townie perspective at the time, like he was doing it to get a read on HF. I did not see a townie reason behind you diffusing the push. You later even complained that nothing was really happening.
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On November 28 2014 10:04 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 10:03 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:54 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:49 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:32 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:25 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:
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Leaning town if anything. I haven't really had a reason to care that much. Wait, what?? Why? Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting. You're basically saying that you don't care for discovering people's alignment, only if they vote for you. I don't even think you genuinely believe this. I did look at people who voted on me first, mainly because I know my alignment and I thought I had been pretty damn townie. I initially read you scummy because of your meta-read on me, which I know for a fact to be a 100% false. That being said, my town play for d1 is not to discover everyone's alignments. I look for standout scummy things and push on those, you stood out, I'm pushing on you. A lot had been discussed regarding scum traits, yet you only have a scumread on the only person who is voting you. When I ask you about one of the most active players you say you don't have a read (which is okay) because you don't care!? (which is not okay). So you think HF's case on JAT was good. He has been calling JAT scum. Yet only I stood out for you? I don't think the source of the scum-read matters if the scum-read is good, do you? I can see why you think me not really caring that much might irk you as town, but I've explained my d1 play before. What exactly is the confusion here? I did not feel strongly about JAT's case, but I was interested in the outcome. You were the one that stood out the most to me, I felt like your filter was pretty damn scummy, which is why I made a big case on you. So I'm scum for pointing out the JAT case as bad, yet you didn't feel it was strong. Wanna know the outcome? I can tell you: "You're scum for [insert bad reason]" "I'm town because [insert null reason]" I'm totes scum. Marv also tore those two apart. He was the first one to do that, actually. Why aren't you scumreading him? The way you say that you play day1 means nothing to me. The way I see you playing is most important to me. Yeah I remember Marv doing this, but I felt like it came from a more townie perspective at the time, like he was doing it to get a read on HF. I did not see a townie reason behind you diffusing the push. You later even complained that nothing was really happening. Criticising a read is a way to keep discussion going, but to the right direction. Asking questions are a way to generate discussion. Your double standards here bothers me.
The problem is that you instantly give a read on HF based on the push you just tried to diffuse, which is literally null. Like I would understand a town motivation if you would actually give a new direction to town or start asking questions right after (specifically towards HF), but you do nothing.
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On November 28 2014 10:13 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 10:10 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 10:04 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 10:03 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:54 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:49 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:32 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:25 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:
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Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting. You're basically saying that you don't care for discovering people's alignment, only if they vote for you. I don't even think you genuinely believe this. I did look at people who voted on me first, mainly because I know my alignment and I thought I had been pretty damn townie. I initially read you scummy because of your meta-read on me, which I know for a fact to be a 100% false. That being said, my town play for d1 is not to discover everyone's alignments. I look for standout scummy things and push on those, you stood out, I'm pushing on you. A lot had been discussed regarding scum traits, yet you only have a scumread on the only person who is voting you. When I ask you about one of the most active players you say you don't have a read (which is okay) because you don't care!? (which is not okay). So you think HF's case on JAT was good. He has been calling JAT scum. Yet only I stood out for you? I don't think the source of the scum-read matters if the scum-read is good, do you? I can see why you think me not really caring that much might irk you as town, but I've explained my d1 play before. What exactly is the confusion here? I did not feel strongly about JAT's case, but I was interested in the outcome. You were the one that stood out the most to me, I felt like your filter was pretty damn scummy, which is why I made a big case on you. So I'm scum for pointing out the JAT case as bad, yet you didn't feel it was strong. Wanna know the outcome? I can tell you: "You're scum for [insert bad reason]" "I'm town because [insert null reason]" I'm totes scum. Marv also tore those two apart. He was the first one to do that, actually. Why aren't you scumreading him? The way you say that you play day1 means nothing to me. The way I see you playing is most important to me. Yeah I remember Marv doing this, but I felt like it came from a more townie perspective at the time, like he was doing it to get a read on HF. I did not see a townie reason behind you diffusing the push. You later even complained that nothing was really happening. Criticising a read is a way to keep discussion going, but to the right direction. Asking questions are a way to generate discussion. Your double standards here bothers me. The problem is that you instantly give a read on HF based on the push you just tried to diffuse, which is literally null. Like I would understand a town motivation if you would actually give a new direction to town or start asking questions right after (specifically towards HF), but you do nothing. Saying a read is bad =\= read someone as scum. I don't remember reading HF as scum. You can see through my activity, though, that I tried to gather information to be more able to read people.
You don't need to scum-read HF there, I just don't understand the town motivation behind diffusing someone's play and then fucking off.
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I'll give some thoughts on both Elvis and Sent real quick, since I have played with both of them before:
Elvis - I've played with Elvis twice, and both times he was VT. Elvis was indeed a bit different at the start of the game than he was at the start of other games. I do not recall him ever joking around at the start of the game before. But to be quite frank, I don't particularly think this is very mafia-indicative:
1. Elvis is a new player, I'm expecting new players to switch up quite a bit, partially because they have to become comfortable with the game.
2. He subbed out and the fact that he subbed out so early also means that we only have a tiny bit of his gameplay to work with, and I'm not comfortable with lynching someone with only small pieces of information to work with. I don't really have a read on Damd yet, but I haven't taken the time to dive his filter either (and I probably won't take/have the time today).
Overall, I agree that Elvis' play did not look like his previous play, but I don't think that's enough to lynch his replacement.
Sentinel - I've only placed with Sent once, and we were both scum (Campus mafia). His play during d1 was different than what I see here, which initially made me believe he was probably town. However, I recall him saying early on in scum QT that he was planning to call me out on my first post as scum before he realized he was scum as well. This makes me believe that Sent is usually a fairly aggressive player, who is not afraid to call out people as scum straight up. This game I feel he has been passive and has given weak reads at best. This leads me to believe that he may very well be switching up his play a bit to hide: his play isn't the same as his scum-game with me, but I find it hard to believe this is his town-game based on the feeling I had on him in the scum QT during the scum-game (again, Campus mafia).
Overall, I would say that I am leaning scum on Sentinel, and wouldn't mind seeing a case on him by someone other than me (mainly because I have little time this evening).
GlowingBear - The interactions I had with GB last night did not really convince me he was town. I would like everyone who has not done so to give an opinion on the case, and what they think of GB. As it stands, my vote will remain on GB.
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All right, I'm back.
Going to check some filters on people I have an ominous feeling about, but I'll be around for questions.
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On November 28 2014 23:22 marvellosity wrote:
like if Damdred/Elvis is mafia, have they had a single vote on them all game?
Marv, I want you to elaborate on this post. Are you saying that Damd/Elvis is mafia because there hasn't been a single vote on them all game? If not, then what are you asking here?
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Also we're not killing Palmar today.
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On November 29 2014 03:47 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 03:46 Superbia wrote:
Also we're not killing Palmar today. Do explain.
Because I feel he's town and he always gets killed for dumb fucking reasons near EoD.
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On November 29 2014 03:50 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 03:49 Superbia wrote:On November 29 2014 03:47 justanothertownie wrote:On November 29 2014 03:46 Superbia wrote:
Also we're not killing Palmar today. Do explain. Because I feel he's town and he always gets killed for dumb fucking reasons near EoD. Why do you feel he is town?
Mostly this post:
On November 27 2014 19:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 10:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
1) Meh. Mafia always want to open early anyway since it becomes harder to open the longer the game goes on, so I don't see how you can draw such a definitive conclusion about someone not being here early. At the very least, this is how I would do it, so I don't put much stock into it.
Is super smart. Another interesting tidbit is that this first post by mafia is almost always some kind of a fluffy comment. I didn't write down the posts (I should have) but it was pretty obvious that during the first... 20? posts of the game, mafia posts just to post. So I'm literally only going to do that today. just read the first 20 posts or so and find the mafia in there.
I really liked Obi's post as well. The fact that he's completely acting upon this thing is a bit weird, but not scum indicative. In fact I think it's rather townie, especially coupled with the fact that he's giving the appearance of being busy due to thanksgiving. I also personally liked the little tidbit of me being the first post in every town game I've been in.
Also I agree with most his (limited) reads, excepting the rayn part. I haven't really read rayn.
Though I'm mostly defending him here because I felt a "lolz let's vote for plammar gais" garbage lynch coming, into him flipping town, into town having made 0 progression.
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On November 29 2014 04:01 Holyflare wrote:
The more you post superbia the less I like you as town :/
I find this really hard to believe. Yesterday you essentially said you agreed with my points on GB, and since then I've interacted with GB and giving my input on Elvis and Sent. Care to elaborate why you're reading my posts as scummy?
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On November 29 2014 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Not a fan of your latest post Superbia.
Specifically the part right at the end where you say he felt a garbage lynch coming on.
You mean the one I said was going to happen like yesterday and the one marv and I talked about extensively?
You're way too late to be defending him for nothing now, and it just comes out sounding really awkward.
It just sounds like you're cool with him because he townread you.
That's fair enough, but my history with playing with Palmar has always resulted in him getting lynched early on the game for an, in my opinion, dumb fucking reason (partially his own fault) and he flipped town.
This feels almost exactly the same as then. People are scum-reading him because of his inactivity/weirdness, he comes and gives some reads and says he'll not be around for EoD. He ends up getting lynched and I end up yelling at people for being stupid.
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On November 29 2014 04:18 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 04:16 Superbia wrote:On November 29 2014 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Not a fan of your latest post Superbia.
Specifically the part right at the end where you say he felt a garbage lynch coming on.
You mean the one I said was going to happen like yesterday and the one marv and I talked about extensively?
You're way too late to be defending him for nothing now, and it just comes out sounding really awkward.
It just sounds like you're cool with him because he townread you. That's fair enough, but my history with playing with Palmar has always resulted in him getting lynched early on the game for an, in my opinion, dumb fucking reason (partially his own fault) and he flipped town. This feels almost exactly the same as then. People are scum-reading him because of his inactivity/weirdness, he comes and gives some reads and says he'll not be around for EoD. He ends up getting lynched and I end up yelling at people for being stupid. If you are talking about werewolf he eventually was doing much much more than in this game. In Fanfic too.
In fanfic I hard defended him during d2 and I felt like I really had a good read on Palmar. I ended up being correct. In werewolf I already knew his alignment (I was scum), and his play there seemed to follow the exact same structure as it does here:
1. Palmar does something weird or whatever the fuck.
2. People are scum-reading and voting for Palmar.
3. Palmar comes out and gives out a small number of reads, doesn't seem to care that much about the pressure, then goes afk.
4. Palmar gets lynched.
5. Palmar flips town.
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On November 29 2014 04:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 04:16 Superbia wrote:On November 29 2014 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Not a fan of your latest post Superbia.
Specifically the part right at the end where you say he felt a garbage lynch coming on.
You mean the one I said was going to happen like yesterday and the one marv and I talked about extensively?
You're way too late to be defending him for nothing now, and it just comes out sounding really awkward.
It just sounds like you're cool with him because he townread you. That's fair enough, but my history with playing with Palmar has always resulted in him getting lynched early on the game for an, in my opinion, dumb fucking reason (partially his own fault) and he flipped town. This feels almost exactly the same as then. People are scum-reading him because of his inactivity/weirdness, he comes and gives some reads and says he'll not be around for EoD. He ends up getting lynched and I end up yelling at people for being stupid. I've seen him get lynched as scum for playing like this as well. Can't remember the game.
Then I would really like a link to this game, because this is my read on Palmar as it stands.
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