On December 03 2014 10:02 Damdred wrote:
Nah I blame myself should of pushed things harder d1 and explained what I thought more I would of been ok, I got really annoyed d1

maybe, but the whole rayn thing was the only reason you got lynched d2, you couldn't have played much better

one small bit of advice, make sure you pay attention to what other ppl are saying. main example is you were scumreading superbia and jat? or hf? gave a really good reason why superbia was town based on some stuff rayn did, but you didn't appear to acknowledge it at all in your read of him.

Damdred

15669 Posts

December 03 2014 01:08 GMT

#3326

I had a light scrum read on super from d1 but said d2 was pretty to any. Jat and hf were town but said to w as tech hf if he didn't die.

But yea I should have I read everything try to m ads keep my own judgement I'll do better next time

Damdred

15669 Posts

December 03 2014 01:13 GMT

#3327

But on the same hand your case on me was based off things Ryan did so you see why I hesitate on that

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

December 03 2014 01:21 GMT

#3328

On December 03 2014 10:13 Damdred wrote:
But on the same hand your case on me was based off things Ryan did so you see why I hesitate on that

yes which is fine, but explain that's why it makes you not read so much into it

GlowingBear

Brazil12446 Posts

December 03 2014 02:01 GMT

#3329

On December 03 2014 10:05 marvellosity wrote:

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This actually is a huge advice to me.

Damdred

15669 Posts

December 03 2014 02:23 GMT

#3330

GB and I actually read each other correctly and fot lynched in consecutive games the universe couldn't stand it.

GlowingBear

Brazil12446 Posts

December 03 2014 02:26 GMT

#3331

On December 03 2014 11:23 Damdred wrote:
GB and I actually read each other correctly and fot lynched in consecutive games the universe couldn't stand it.

HAHAHAHAHA we were divided by zero

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

December 03 2014 02:34 GMT

#3332

looked like tmi to me

was really strange

Damdred

15669 Posts

December 03 2014 02:38 GMT

#3333

Yea granted GB has some weird meta read on me and I'm just decent at reading him

GlowingBear

Brazil12446 Posts

December 03 2014 03:15 GMT

#3334

My meta read on you was that you don't say you're sorry for something silly when you're scum, but it's proven it's wrong :/

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

December 03 2014 03:24 GMT

#3335

just like my mafia meta being broken ehhhhh? :D

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

December 03 2014 03:33 GMT

#3336

On December 03 2014 12:24 Holyflare wrote:
just like my mafia meta being broken ehhhhh? :D

JUST LIKE MINE BRO.

geript

10024 Posts

December 03 2014 03:38 GMT

#3337

I will say that this game was extra frustrating from the start. I was a bit concerned that we got a vig from the start. Then we were doing well; Palmer didn't get lynched. I got HF and Marv to sheep me on D1 only to have ants in pants syndrome; I felt like I needed to vote so I had to pull over to while driving back home as everybody moved onto the miller. FUUUUCCCCKK. IDK what it is, but I think like every time I'm mafia (except for the first) the miller has been lynched on D1. N2 started out well, I ran my D&D game and checked back before I started driving back. I think I got into it with Sent or somebody. I ended up staying up a while because I couldn't sleep because my sleep schedule got screwed up and SCGlive wasn't doing it's usual work. Rayn goes crazy for no reason and I realize that I've now got extra work on my hands; but it's to some extent a blessing because I get to talk about shit and go crazy with it and none of it will be applicable in the morning. So I try and promote the Rayn is town scenario just to help get everyone on the wrong track. People will forget most of the Rayn is town stuff, I'll look super towny; all my shit will make sense and even better I can't be called out on any. The plus side is that if HF isn't blue, then I might be able to swing a lynch on him with Wave/Iamp dying; in the least it's worth sowing the seed. As an additional bonus, I convinced most people that Palmer's play is in line with his town play; as it's a Marv read, I get extra credit because I can't really be at fault for other people sheeping it. The fun thing about it is that it makes enough sense given how not-towny most of town is being. D2 is really weird. I knew Rayn would incriminate Damdred; that plus the shenannies on D1 should get him lynched. Most likely town won't really try hard at all and just let this mislynch pass. The problem is that I knew I wouldn't do nothing as town. Plus I have to deal with HF claiming tracker. So I have to figure out who he tracked (it wasn't obvious initially); I don't think it was until the start of N3. I have to deal with how to respond to HF claiming tracker; feels really sketch because he's literally providing nothing but nobody else wants to doubt him on this type of shit he'd pull as any alignment (or role for that matter). Game plan: rock the boat some, get Sn0 lynched if possible; settle for Damdred if needed. It's really been perfect. Sn0 claims and Palmer countered; nobody believe Sn0 so that's effectively 3 mislynches I've setup (one with minor help) and we have 2/3rds of the blues out in the open. I initially want to kill HF/Marv, but then realize that whatever blue it is could be a major issue and want to kill it. Palmer disagrees. Stupid setups happen I guess. I think I should've overruled Palmer because I had a good read on 2/3rds of the blues up to that point and hitting both blues, leaving Marv alive, then lynching Sn0 would've been epic.

Overall review of town, honestly I think the real problem is that so few people projected towniness well. GB had points where I found him towny, Sent too. Super and Sn0 I'd have been happy to lynch if I had been town. Palmer I never fucking know what to do with. I know Wave bitches/hates the fact that he's good at projecting towniness but bad at finding scum. The honest truth is that just being "towny" and being easily perceived as being "towny" is tough. Like being unlynchable because you're so towny is huge. It's a huge benefit.

Granted I try to find scum differently than many people, but I've found that it's far easier and often far more correct to narrow your lynch pool. This game is a bit of an anomaly because there were 2 active scum who were able to come off as super towny and didn't bus each other or the third really. But in general, if you are able to remove 3-4 other players as being town in a mini then you can get a really good lynch off. Narrowing it down to a 50/50 or better is pretty good and it gets better later on. It's weird though because (even as scum) I couldn't find solid reasons for a lot of people to actually be town; then on top if it, I found things that were different about HF so I could retract my townread on him.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

December 03 2014 03:44 GMT

#3338

well like I said, sex trumps mafia every time

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

December 03 2014 04:03 GMT

#3339

Overall review of town, honestly I think the real problem is that so few people projected towniness well. GB had points where I found him towny, Sent too. Super and Sn0 I'd have been happy to lynch if I had been town. Palmer I never fucking know what to do with. I know Wave bitches/hates the fact that he's good at projecting towniness but bad at finding scum. The honest truth is that just being "towny" and being easily perceived as being "towny" is tough. Like being unlynchable because you're so towny is huge. It's a huge benefit.

Seriously. I can't tell you how much trouble I've had with this in the past, so having someone act like it's not even a thing to not get lynched ever is kinda lame.

Plus, Wave found rayn with relative ease and got him to modkill himself. That's like the crowning achievement of mafia: if you can play to the point where you can get a member of the opposite alignment to modkill themselves, you won the game so hard the scoreboard turned into diamonds.