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Oats, let me ask you a few questions. I won't speak for anyone else, but I personally do not understand your position.
First, we're not giving him a free pass. At least I'm not, and it doesn't appear anyone else is either. If we were, then we'd be calling him town. I don't believe anyone at this point has called him town. At least, I'm not.
On December 03 2014 23:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hopeless is massively scum.
You guys are giving him a free pass for lurking?
No town lurks this hard when they are almost gonna lose the game.
My problem with the above is that Hopeless HAS cited a RL (work) for his AFKness.
RL is irrelevant to whether someone in this game is town or scum, yeah people can lie, but since EoD D2, he has posted where he will be. I have my doubts.
On December 03 2014 23:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really cant believe that you guys dont think lurking is a legitimate scumtell. This late in the game, it is.
To me it is however it's not the only one, and it is not the strongest. I fail to see how lurking alone overrides the scummy behaviour in Bats. If you don't think Bats is scummy, you have not given a counterargument for that, and if you have, please quote it.
Now Hopeless' quote.
On December 03 2014 23:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
Then he tries to push sicklucker by referencing his read on damdred? His points are not even legitimate.
This reads so much like hopeless trying to create a lynch outta nothing.
And for him to be actually doing stuff so he has some content. It sucks.
LYNCH HOPELESS.
To me it doesn't make sense. I understand your point on this. And that's why some of us are putting him on the list, but he's not number one. Bats is number one for all actions cited through the game - not just one post, not just one action.
The above is the only action that you can demonstrate, and Bats's problems are an aggregate from all three days. And I don't understand how someone as experienced as you are can ignore this.
To me it appears you are sidestepping Bats altogether.
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Dudes just lynch hopeless tomorrow. You can always lynch me the next day I'm not going anywhere after how hard scum has been pushing my mislynch all game.
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Not meat anymore bats? What changed your mind?
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Btw I've been afk because I've been too busy wrestling gators to play, do I get a pass now for RL excuses? lol
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On December 03 2014 23:34 rsoultin wrote:
Not meat anymore bats? What changed your mind?
Meat is fine too I just think hopeless is better.
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TLDR version of my last post:
Oats, make a case that one post from Hopeless carries more weight than the aggregate of Bats' behaviour over three days.
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On December 03 2014 23:36 batsnacks wrote:
Btw I've been afk because I've been too busy wrestling gators to play, do I get a pass now for RL excuses? lol
Now you're just trolling. Please.
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On December 03 2014 23:39 rsoultin wrote:
Why?
Pretty much what oats said.
Lynching meat is cool too though because knowing his alignment pretty much solves the game. If meat is scum, we hit scum, which is awesome. If meat is town, it means scum voted meat yesterday.
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On December 03 2014 23:42 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2014 23:36 batsnacks wrote:
Btw I've been afk because I've been too busy wrestling gators to play, do I get a pass now for RL excuses? lol Now you're just trolling. Please.
The point is who cares if hopeless has excuses? RL excuses are scummy. There's no reason to mention them because they can't be proven.
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On December 03 2014 23:50 batsnacks wrote:Pretty much what oats said. Lynching meat is cool too though because knowing his alignment pretty much solves the game. If meat is scum, we hit scum, which is awesome. If meat is town, it means scum voted meat yesterday.
Okay. So you agree with Oats that meat probably isn't scum then?
I'd just skip the whole voting meat thing, personally, if that's the case. Verifying what we believe we already know seems pointless unless lynching based on the assumption that meat probably isn't scum turns up town instead.
Hopeless isn't a bad lynch. No one is arguing that, I think. But I don't know what new information we could get from a scum hopeless. New information is important, and just lurking isn't enough if you have other options. Just my opinion. I know that you can't really argue much else, though, since you're trying to get out of being lynched. Which isn't alignment indicative. But if you do have reads...something we're not seeing...always willing to listen.
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On December 03 2014 23:14 rsoultin wrote:
Bm? I am really behind on the acronyms thrown out lately.
bad manner.
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I'm not really worried about being lynched tbf. If I get lynched before hopeless it won't be because of mistakes I made. And once hopeless flips mafia I think you'll have an easier time believing I'm town.
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Bats, other than Hopeless, who is your other read for scum?
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I've had a bigger game presence than anyone this game by far. Hopeless has had like negative game presence.
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On December 03 2014 23:29 Half the Sky wrote:Oats, let me ask you a few questions. I won't speak for anyone else, but I personally do not understand your position. First, we're not giving him a free pass. At least I'm not, and it doesn't appear anyone else is either. If we were, then we'd be calling him town. I don't believe anyone at this point has called him town. At least, I'm not. Show nested quote +On December 03 2014 23:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hopeless is massively scum.
You guys are giving him a free pass for lurking?
No town lurks this hard when they are almost gonna lose the game. My problem with the above is that Hopeless HAS cited a RL (work) for his AFKness. RL is irrelevant to whether someone in this game is town or scum, yeah people can lie, but since EoD D2, he has posted where he will be. I have my doubts. Show nested quote +On December 03 2014 23:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really cant believe that you guys dont think lurking is a legitimate scumtell. This late in the game, it is.
To me it is however it's not the only one, and it is not the strongest. I fail to see how lurking alone overrides the scummy behaviour in Bats. If you don't think Bats is scummy, you have not given a counterargument for that, and if you have, please quote it. Now Hopeless' quote. Show nested quote +On December 03 2014 23:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
Then he tries to push sicklucker by referencing his read on damdred? His points are not even legitimate.
This reads so much like hopeless trying to create a lynch outta nothing.
And for him to be actually doing stuff so he has some content. It sucks.
LYNCH HOPELESS. To me it doesn't make sense. I understand your point on this. And that's why some of us are putting him on the list, but he's not number one. Bats is number one for all actions cited through the game - not just one post, not just one action. The above is the only action that you can demonstrate, and Bats's problems are an aggregate from all three days. And I don't understand how someone as experienced as you are can ignore this. To me it appears you are sidestepping Bats altogether.
none of you have strung 5 posts together about how bats is scum, and you post this?
Baffles me man.
I dont need to say why bats is town, I gotta say why hopeless is scummier.
Also lurking one lynch before lylo is fucking scummy and IRL reasons are not real reasons. In fact, the fact that you even think about trying justify your absence is scummy.
IRL reasons or any other activity excuse are not valid in this game.
Do not use those as a reason to not lynch people.
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On December 03 2014 23:40 Half the Sky wrote:
TLDR version of my last post:
Oats, make a case that one post from Hopeless carries more weight than the aggregate of Bats' behaviour over three days.
Also, there is no other content from hopeless. You dont see that.
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On December 04 2014 00:23 Half the Sky wrote:
Bats, other than Hopeless, who is your other read for scum?
It sort of depends on meats alignment, but I think hopeless is scum either way.
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On December 03 2014 23:50 batsnacks wrote:Pretty much what oats said. Lynching meat is cool too though because knowing his alignment pretty much solves the game. If meat is scum, we hit scum, which is awesome. If meat is town, it means scum voted meat yesterday.
Were already pretty sure scum voted meat because the whole logic of voting ls was because you and Ls snap voted him. At the very least we know one and most of my town reads voted ls
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On December 04 2014 00:51 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2014 23:50 batsnacks wrote:On December 03 2014 23:39 rsoultin wrote:
Why? Pretty much what oats said. Lynching meat is cool too though because knowing his alignment pretty much solves the game. If meat is scum, we hit scum, which is awesome. If meat is town, it means scum voted meat yesterday. Were already pretty sure scum voted meat because the whole logic of voting ls was because you and Ls snap voted him. At the very least we know one and most of my town reads voted ls
I'm not sure that scum voted meat so speak for yourself.
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