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You're not going to like my answer. And I think I need to go back to see if the posting supports it. I believe that Damdred was killed precisely because he was buddy buddy with the scum that started the shenanigans day 2. Before then bats was suspected by a lot of people. Now he's not.
Meat is suspected by a lot of people. I am now because of what happened yesterday and bats' editing my posts (which he still has failed to explain/answer for). And LS. LS would be an easy push, but he tells all of us we shouldn't vote LS, that if LS is scum it's a bad lynch. Why?
I was on LS yesterday before the vote consolidation. Trfel was building a case against Bats/Damdred. Dicks had spoken out against bats. That with all the votes on meat? Meat's an easier push than I am because bats has to sell people on the idea that HTS is scum...most aren't reading him that way. HTS or I being scum really only works if we both are. Bats has already started to push that idea. He asked Damdred for his reads right before he was killed, already knowing Damdred's reads (Damdred posted them soon after EoD when kush flipped town).
Bats and LS...and probably Hope who came in just in time to play shenanigans. I think Damdred was used, then killed for the cred.
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Are you reading Hts scum only because he didn't hammer you? Why can't you be scum and HTS town.
I don't like your scum team mostly because everyone who was changing their votes around at the EoD is in them. Do you really think 3 scum would be apart of a 5 person lynch mob for now I really don't think that is the case.
If you think bats killed damdred because he was townreading him why do you think I was roleblocked and trefel was killed? Trefels reads weren't imortalised with his death and lucky because he was wrong on at least damdred, so why would mafia think damdreds reads would not be reconsidered.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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Meatpudding (7): batsnacks, sicklucker, LightningStrike, Half the Sky, Breshke, Oatsmaster, Hopeless1der
Not Voting (2): rsoultin, Meatpudding
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Also why do you like oats?
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No, Breshke. I'm reading HTS as town because if he was scum easiest course is just to switch his vote and let them take me out. If HTS is town, and I am scum, why would I care enough which town (kush or HTS) was lynched? The only logical answer is that we're either both scum or both town. Not enough people are willing to buy HTS being scum right now, even if most seem willing to buy that I am, but everyone is real happy with meat. I could just jump on that train. I should if I'm scum rather than drawing further attention to myself.
As for the team, not sure on Hopeless. But Bats and LS I'm pretty sure on.
Bats knew Damdred was dead before he turned up dead. Good guess, maybe, and yeah I could see Damdred being a logical choice for scum to kill, too. But bats really seemed to know. And what is this bs about lynching any scum being a bad thing?
Of course this assumes that I'm town and I know a lot of you don't think that, and that the logic here
As for oats...he seems to be trying to figure things out? I've never claimed to be sure of him, The third person scum I'm not sure on. I'm most sure on you, SL, and HTS as town right now...and leaning pretty sure on meat too just because of the way the votes are going. They should be trying to lynch me and aren't. Why pick scum over me? Doesn't make sense.
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On December 01 2014 16:14 Breshke wrote:
Are you reading Hts scum only because he didn't hammer you? Why can't you be scum and HTS town.
I don't like your scum team mostly because everyone who was changing their votes around at the EoD is in them. Do you really think 3 scum would be apart of a 5 person lynch mob for now I really don't think that is the case.
If you think bats killed damdred because he was townreading him why do you think I was roleblocked and trefel was killed? Trefels reads weren't imortalised with his death and lucky because he was wrong on at least damdred, so why would mafia think damdreds reads would not be reconsidered.
I think Trfel was killed because he wouldn't come off bats, because he was trying the hardest in the game to figure things out, and because hardly anyone was reading him as mafia (though someone did say something about his long posts being scummy, only I can't remember who). I think both kills were solid town reads for the majority of the players in the game at the time of their deaths, which can only benefit mafia, since they can't force a lynch on them anyway.
Not sure why you were roleblocked unless it was just because you've only been semi-active (pretty towny but not out there like some of the rest of the players) and they guessed you to be a likely candidate for a role.
Not saying Damdred's reads would not be reconsidered. Saying that he and bats in each other's pockets plays really well to bat's advantage if he's scum, and until that little push where bats jumped on board bats was still being strongly considered. Plus SL all but said he'd follow Damdred's lead anywhere, and rolled bats right into that assessment. If bats is scum, he now has at least one town lackey.
The other one most of us liked for scum is LS. I'm voting LS.
##vote LightningStrike
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Vote Count
Meatpudding (7): batsnacks, sicklucker, LightningStrike, Half the Sky, Breshke, Oatsmaster, Hopeless1der
LightningStrike (1): rsoultin
Not Voting (1): Meatpudding
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On December 01 2014 16:29 rsoultin wrote:
No, Breshke. I'm reading HTS as town because if he was scum easiest course is just to switch his vote and let them take me out. If HTS is town, and I am scum, why would I care enough which town (kush or HTS) was lynched? The only logical answer is that we're either both scum or both town. Not enough people are willing to buy HTS being scum right now, even if most seem willing to buy that I am, but everyone is real happy with meat. I could just jump on that train. I should if I'm scum rather than drawing further attention to myself.
As for the team, not sure on Hopeless. But Bats and LS I'm pretty sure on.
Bats knew Damdred was dead before he turned up dead. Good guess, maybe, and yeah I could see Damdred being a logical choice for scum to kill, too. But bats really seemed to know. And what is this bs about lynching any scum being a bad thing?
Of course this assumes that I'm town and I know a lot of you don't think that, and that the logic here
As for oats...he seems to be trying to figure things out? I've never claimed to be sure of him, The third person scum I'm not sure on. I'm most sure on you, SL, and HTS as town right now...and leaning pretty sure on meat too just because of the way the votes are going. They should be trying to lynch me and aren't. Why pick scum over me? Doesn't make sense.
I don't really think you had much chance to change your vote to HTS to egt him lynched because i think the oppisite wagon to kush was you for most of the day and in switching to Hts you would be opening yourself up to being lynched much easier. If you are scum and meat is town you get town cred if he gets lynched, if you are scum and meat is scum im sure you will say "i would never defend my partner like that". Why should we lynch anyone else other than meat. Does it not make you feel weird that you are defending him more than he is himself.
Idk about that any scum being a bad thing bit i have no diea what you are referring tot here. Bats thinking damdred would die makes sense to me. If he is town he knows he is town so he knows damdred is on the right track, mafia also know this so it is logical at least for me that bats would think damdred would die. Damdred was also the one pushing the thread forward the most and put in the most effort to save kush.
Wasn't like the last stuff damdred said about how we should lynch meat?
Also im not so sure on your LS rscum read mind fleshing it out a bit for me. Do you think a scum suggests sleep on D1. This comes from a more newb town perspective to me, yes if we sleep there is no chance of us lynching scum but I don't think LS would have thought of suggesting this as scum that just doesn't make sense to me.
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On December 01 2014 16:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 16:14 Breshke wrote:
Are you reading Hts scum only because he didn't hammer you? Why can't you be scum and HTS town.
I don't like your scum team mostly because everyone who was changing their votes around at the EoD is in them. Do you really think 3 scum would be apart of a 5 person lynch mob for now I really don't think that is the case.
If you think bats killed damdred because he was townreading him why do you think I was roleblocked and trefel was killed? Trefels reads weren't imortalised with his death and lucky because he was wrong on at least damdred, so why would mafia think damdreds reads would not be reconsidered. I think Trfel was killed because he wouldn't come off bats, because he was trying the hardest in the game to figure things out, and because hardly anyone was reading him as mafia (though someone did say something about his long posts being scummy, only I can't remember who). I think both kills were solid town reads for the majority of the players in the game at the time of their deaths, which can only benefit mafia, since they can't force a lynch on them anyway. Not sure why you were roleblocked unless it was just because you've only been semi-active (pretty towny but not out there like some of the rest of the players) and they guessed you to be a likely candidate for a role. Not saying Damdred's reads would not be reconsidered. Saying that he and bats in each other's pockets plays really well to bat's advantage if he's scum, and until that little push where bats jumped on board bats was still being strongly considered. Plus SL all but said he'd follow Damdred's lead anywhere, and rolled bats right into that assessment. If bats is scum, he now has at least one town lackey. The other one most of us liked for scum is LS. I'm voting LS. ##vote LightningStrike
See my problem here is you don't want to vote emat because everyone is voting him but you are voting ls right know because he is the other one most of us have liked. If you don't think scum is bussing then why do you think LS is scum?
So you think mafia had a total different mindset about their kills during N1 and N2.
N1 They killed someone who thought bats was scum
N2 they killed someone who thought he was town
I agree both these people were killed because they were being read town by a large number of players and were providing useful posts. I don't think you should be looking into any other motives with the kills because if you are then it doesn't make sense.
You could be 100% right and that is another reason damdred died but it doesn't help your case at least in my opinion.
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Yes, I know, my case hinges on what I know and no one else can know, which makes this hard, but I still have to try. LS has been playing super timid, Breshke. Doesn't want to vote on Day 1. Was reluctant to make reads because he said he didn't know how town could win without the two town roles. Claimed I forced him to vote on dicks, which is simply ludicrous. I can't force anyone to do anything. Says he's scared to be lynched, because he was lynched last game for being too aggressive. Could be true, but I doubt that's why he's scared to be lynched.
I'm voting LS right now because bats said don't, but didn't argue that he wasn't scum. It's weird. I want to see what happens. And I'm voting LS right now because if I do vote meat...I strongly suspect he'll flip town.
On December 01 2014 05:43 batsnacks wrote:
Oh and don't waste a lynch lightning. If lightning is mafia we lose.
^ How does that make any sense? More to the point, bats has not answered when I ask him.
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Also, for clarification:
I'd vote bats or ls today, but I doubt that bats would ever get enough traction to be lynched. LS is at least one who more than just I have said reads scum. I'm almost certain meat is town, and if meat flips town today we're all but done. One more lynch. All three mafia still alive. Just four to their three and shooting blind in the dark. I don't like it, and I'm going to try to stop it lol if only for the post game cred.
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On December 01 2014 17:17 rsoultin wrote:Yes, I know, my case hinges on what I know and no one else can know, which makes this hard, but I still have to try. LS has been playing super timid, Breshke. Doesn't want to vote on Day 1. Was reluctant to make reads because he said he didn't know how town could win without the two town roles. Claimed I forced him to vote on dicks, which is simply ludicrous. I can't force anyone to do anything. Says he's scared to be lynched, because he was lynched last game for being too aggressive. Could be true, but I doubt that's why he's scared to be lynched. I'm voting LS right now because bats said don't, but didn't argue that he wasn't scum. It's weird. I want to see what happens. And I'm voting LS right now because if I do vote meat...I strongly suspect he'll flip town. Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 05:43 batsnacks wrote:
Oh and don't waste a lynch lightning. If lightning is mafia we lose. ^ How does that make any sense? More to the point, bats has not answered when I ask him.
So if everyone switched their vote to LS would you still want to lynch him? My problem is that your townread on meat is solely from the fact that everyone is voting him. Mafia is in a good spot and i think bussing isnt a bad play here. Also if me misslynch today it ism lylo tomorrow, do you really want to leave meat until then? Your townread is based not on his actions but on the actions of others.
I agree that LS entire "scared to be lynched thing" isnt helping anyone but there is a chance this is really coming from his point of view. LS for when you are here i think you need to give reads, being scared isnt even a real thing.
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Im interested in hearing from Oats and Hopeless scum teams when they are around.
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It's certainly not real in a game. :/ The sheeping he attributes to being scared. It's just too convenient.
And yes, I know. I can't give better reasons than I have already. It's frustrating. If you take it from the standpoint/assumption that I am town, it's a lot stronger, because pretty sure there are enough people willing to lynch me to make it easy. At least from what I've seen ever since EoD Day 2. So if meat is scum, don't see why mafia is bussing.
Regardless, meat is a null read for me and ls has been a scum read for awhile. He was my vote for day 2 until I was asked to consolidate. Hell, ya'll can lynch me tomorrow if I'm wrong, because I screwed it for all of y'all lol. But you're absolutely right that mafia is in a prime position right now. They can afford to lose scum. So if I'm scum defending scum I'm an idiot for doing this -shrugs-
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On December 01 2014 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 11:37 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2014 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
You have 2 pages in like 3 days.
Thats afk/lurking.
Come on Hopeless, try harder pls.
But i dont wanna. meat is so clearly scum, cant i just coast another day? Can you not? Lol we are losing hard, its 6-3 now. One lynch before lylo.
Shit, this can only come from like a town
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SL, dude, I really do think bats may be taking y'all in ^^;
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Like I think rsoultin is on to something except why meat is town. He feels really townie for the first time all game too. I was gonna post alot of his thoughts. Some things that poped into my head is why mafia kills tfel if bats and dandred are town? Hes too useful of a tool to them to remove him from the game. I kinda think we missed on bats one small stretch of looking good does not cover for the whole game, I dont even think he looked that good.
Ls is like probably scum ive been way too nice to him he has to go
I think the mafia team is probably meat , ls + one of bats or hopeless. With as hot of breske probably bats tho.
Like they totally bus meat here. He could even be a miss but theirs no way meat and ls are both misses.
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Just because I knew dandred was town doesint mean I think he was right about bats.
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Ok ls and bats along with me were the first people to push meat so hum no
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Alright I like this vote alot more, we can even confirm someone like rsoultin with it which is a fucking plus.
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