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On November 23 2014 23:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Nah, Templar. I didn't ignore it. I just don't think they are strong answers. Those are not meta reads.
Anyway, this game is pretty much confusing and boring. A lot of people aren't even trying to solve the game. It's happening too much lately. I don't understand why they even bother signing in.
They _are_ meta though, so I can't really say anything else about it.
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On November 23 2014 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 14:27 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, in case I die, take a look at Templar too.
I feel he is coming from a town perspective but he has some weird traits:
1) he is too passive, as pointed out by other players, specially rayn
2) I've just played a game of 1 hours with him where I was mafia and he read me as town. It bothers me that he isn't hesitating into reading me as town now (he seems to believe I'm town since my opening)
3) he (and VE) were incisive when I "breadcrumbed" being a vigi (I said I was sure liancourt was going to die tonight on purpose, to look like I was breadcrumbing being a vigi, and this way I take the shot, as I'm self aware that I'm not one of the most insightful players right now and I'm may not be because I'm having a busy month). When they saw it, they started to ask questions, which felt they were looking for blues, instead of just shutting up.
That's it. Kthxbai 1) Meta, not much else to say 2) I am hesitant... I just haven't expressed it as much as I've been thinking it. I don't want to risk discussing all of my reads with you at this point because of that. 3) Soft claims as obvious as that one are bait for me. I will always ask questions when you make a statement like that, also meta. 1) Not meta, we are talking about your overall gameplay in this game, not anyother. 2) You have no reason to not share it with the thread as, as you can see, town is very disorganised and any contribution is valuable. You weren't hesitant with my opening. You said I was locked in one certain theme but that I was town. 3) Again, I'm not talking about other games of yours. I'm saying that it is suspicious that someone, at night, locks on a breadcrumb like that. Not meta. Meta is saying that you're playing like our newbie game together, which you are. This is meta.
It's meta because I do it every game?
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On November 24 2014 00:09 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 00:06 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 14:27 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, in case I die, take a look at Templar too.
I feel he is coming from a town perspective but he has some weird traits:
1) he is too passive, as pointed out by other players, specially rayn
2) I've just played a game of 1 hours with him where I was mafia and he read me as town. It bothers me that he isn't hesitating into reading me as town now (he seems to believe I'm town since my opening)
3) he (and VE) were incisive when I "breadcrumbed" being a vigi (I said I was sure liancourt was going to die tonight on purpose, to look like I was breadcrumbing being a vigi, and this way I take the shot, as I'm self aware that I'm not one of the most insightful players right now and I'm may not be because I'm having a busy month). When they saw it, they started to ask questions, which felt they were looking for blues, instead of just shutting up.
That's it. Kthxbai 1) Meta, not much else to say 2) I am hesitant... I just haven't expressed it as much as I've been thinking it. I don't want to risk discussing all of my reads with you at this point because of that. 3) Soft claims as obvious as that one are bait for me. I will always ask questions when you make a statement like that, also meta. 1) Not meta, we are talking about your overall gameplay in this game, not anyother. 2) You have no reason to not share it with the thread as, as you can see, town is very disorganised and any contribution is valuable. You weren't hesitant with my opening. You said I was locked in one certain theme but that I was town. 3) Again, I'm not talking about other games of yours. I'm saying that it is suspicious that someone, at night, locks on a breadcrumb like that. Not meta. Meta is saying that you're playing like our newbie game together, which you are. This is meta. It's meta because I do it every game? I'm confused. Are you trying to say that this isn't alignment indicative because you do the 3 stated things every game?
Yes, but only #s 1 and 3.
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On November 24 2014 00:14 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 00:09 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 00:06 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 14:27 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, in case I die, take a look at Templar too.
I feel he is coming from a town perspective but he has some weird traits:
1) he is too passive, as pointed out by other players, specially rayn
2) I've just played a game of 1 hours with him where I was mafia and he read me as town. It bothers me that he isn't hesitating into reading me as town now (he seems to believe I'm town since my opening)
3) he (and VE) were incisive when I "breadcrumbed" being a vigi (I said I was sure liancourt was going to die tonight on purpose, to look like I was breadcrumbing being a vigi, and this way I take the shot, as I'm self aware that I'm not one of the most insightful players right now and I'm may not be because I'm having a busy month). When they saw it, they started to ask questions, which felt they were looking for blues, instead of just shutting up.
That's it. Kthxbai 1) Meta, not much else to say 2) I am hesitant... I just haven't expressed it as much as I've been thinking it. I don't want to risk discussing all of my reads with you at this point because of that. 3) Soft claims as obvious as that one are bait for me. I will always ask questions when you make a statement like that, also meta. 1) Not meta, we are talking about your overall gameplay in this game, not anyother. 2) You have no reason to not share it with the thread as, as you can see, town is very disorganised and any contribution is valuable. You weren't hesitant with my opening. You said I was locked in one certain theme but that I was town. 3) Again, I'm not talking about other games of yours. I'm saying that it is suspicious that someone, at night, locks on a breadcrumb like that. Not meta. Meta is saying that you're playing like our newbie game together, which you are. This is meta. It's meta because I do it every game? I'm confused. Are you trying to say that this isn't alignment indicative because you do the 3 stated things every game? Yes, but only #s 1 and 3.
The one hour game was different because there was actually no time to get anything done, so I tried to take action.
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On November 24 2014 00:21 Damdred wrote:
Why would you berate me all night and part of yesterday for not throwing all of my reads out their and now you say you are to hesitant to discuss all of your reads now?
I'm hesitant to discuss them with GB.
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On November 24 2014 00:29 Damdred wrote:
Are you scum reading GB? Why does it matter as long as they are in the thread?
Null and I don't know what your second question is asking.
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OK, I have a usable meta read on SL now that Campus mafia has finished, so now I'm re-evaluating what I think of him.
As town, he was extremely confident in how town he was, and basically used that "fact" in order to make cases and form reads. He also pretty much ignored WIFOM to do this.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 07 2014 05:24 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2014 02:47 sicklucker wrote:
I think sentinal would be a better lynch then ima. He was who I ment when I think there were better targets earlier. He seemed so active in this game before I entered but since I have been I think hes posted once or twice. Hes the likely leader for alot of the mafia teams as he seems more experienced.
I feel like he went mute because he was caught in a bad spot because of kelsiers high risk high reward play and he doesint think hes on the chopping block yet or has just given up.
I think its more likely imma is a bad town then sentinel is a bad town. Maybe someone whos played with him before can give us more ok I misread your message so disregard the second part. Actually the fact sentinel saved cricket from the vote is very town to me Because I know im town. Im gonna have to take another look at sentinel Sentinel where are you???! (Note: he replaced Cricketer12) On November 08 2014 04:01 sicklucker wrote:
lol now that was an acual "slip" even tho im town are watcher or medic should come out On November 08 2014 05:03 sicklucker wrote:
Im not a good lynch today . Right now in both your mind im just this solo arrogant bad guy but you cant peice together any logical team mates for me because im town. On November 11 2014 09:29 sicklucker wrote:
I think if breskes or another longshot is mafia he wins even with 3 lynches. He will just leave serejai me and elvis as the towns and they will just off me.
Infact theres 0% chance I dont get mislynched if this game goes on and I know im town so we really only have 2 chances to hit mafia in this game from my perspective.
I think this next lynch is very important ff and this is not the auto win your making it out to be, but then again you dont belive im town so.. On November 11 2014 15:00 sicklucker wrote:
So something we can go on is who do you think, would think that serejai is the medic? Because thats are last mafia. Im sure whoever was deciding who to block is are last one left since kush and sent didnt care about this game.
I know this is gonna get turned on me but im bringing it up anyway (because im town) but who do you think woulda thought serejai was the medic on day 2 and 3? Give a reason.
Im thinking he was targeted because he pushed me for something I said about the medic.
The list goes on. He also defended himself by saying "I would never do X if I was mafia so I must be town" in various ways. So basically, he based the entire game on him being town and actually took action based on this.
He also read players based on their actions based on their reads instead of commenting that these actions should be looked at by other people. So, his thoughts, however bad they might have been, were at least out there before he asked for opinions, at least when the people he was commenting on were talking about him in some way.
Now, let's look at this game.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2014 20:49 sicklucker wrote:
Holy this is my first day one. Im giving my first reaction reads because im trying to help. Im sorry if there not up to your standards. Try to see that im trying with my inexperience I could lurk all day and no one would care. On November 22 2014 07:02 sicklucker wrote:
The templars defense has stepped up some, I always sheep rayn its what I do im easily the newest player in the game. That being said his reads after his first 2 I liked really sucked. Sheep mode off On November 22 2014 08:36 sicklucker wrote:
Glowingbears reason for voting me over his top scum (ve) is because he wants to get out a lurker. Ive had a slow start im not gonna make excuses but feel free to look at my filter in my other on going game. Im not a lurker I post ALOT probably too much. On November 22 2014 14:01 sicklucker wrote:
FF why did you vote me anyway. I basically played the same this game if anyone here knows im a standard terrible town its you... On November 23 2014 07:44 sicklucker wrote:
GB is a mafia in so many worlds. He voted for 3 towns or 2 if you dont believe me
As you can see, his play has been completely different. He seems to suddenly not confirm he's town all the time, but instead keeps pulling the newbie card. Since he barely did this at all in Campus, it's very suspicious that he would suddenly lose all confidence in his town play as town.
He did not re-evaluate for any of the first four after the previous game ended as those four posts were before Campus mafia LYLO was finished.
So, my belief is that he has been playing completely differently than how he played in Campus at almost the same time, and is therefore a different alignment.
Additionally, I agree with a lot of this case by Damdred, which is a decent scum read on SL.
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On November 24 2014 00:37 Damdred wrote:
Ok. Basically why are you hesitant to discuss them with a null read to see if you can determine their alignment.
Also the thread could discuss them so why hold back
I didn't realize people would be discussing anything
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Thank god someone actually saw that hole in the logic. It was intentional.
I am not having fun this game.
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On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch?
No.
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On November 24 2014 01:33 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 01:31 The_Templar wrote:
Thank god someone actually saw that hole in the logic. It was intentional.
I am not having fun this game. Wait, what?
Why is doing something I don't like to do extremely scummy?
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On November 24 2014 01:34 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch? No. What I did is a pretty scummy thing. What makes you believe I'm town?
I'm pretty sure you like to lynch lurkers regardless of what alignment you are. And this post is serious bait because you don't actually believe that.
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On November 24 2014 01:39 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 01:36 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:33 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 01:31 The_Templar wrote:
Thank god someone actually saw that hole in the logic. It was intentional.
I am not having fun this game. Wait, what? Why is doing something I don't like to do extremely scummy? If you say that you don't like meta reads, it means you think they are flawed and you use different methods. I would expect that you would came with a stronger, objective read, but what you did was exactly calling someone scum for something you believe is not alignment indicative, which is pretty weird.
The bolded is wrong because I would not be considering other peoples' meta reads if this was the case. In fact, I generally find it difficult to read someone's past games reliable and I don't bother, but SL was a pretty open book in that area so I gave it a shot.
And I called someone scum because I found his play to be COMPLETELY different than the game he just played as town. Not because of something I believe is not alignment indicative.
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On November 24 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 01:37 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:34 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch? No. What I did is a pretty scummy thing. What makes you believe I'm town? I'm pretty sure you like to lynch lurkers regardless of what alignment you are. And this post is serious bait because you don't actually believe that. I don't actually believe what?
That your vote on KillerSOS is scummy.
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On November 24 2014 01:47 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 01:45 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 01:37 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:34 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch? No. What I did is a pretty scummy thing. What makes you believe I'm town? I'm pretty sure you like to lynch lurkers regardless of what alignment you are. And this post is serious bait because you don't actually believe that. I don't actually believe what? That your vote on KillerSOS is scummy. Well, I don't find it scummy because I'm town so, lol.But if I was someone else, I would be suspicious of this.
You literally just said it was scummy.
On November 24 2014 01:34 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch? No. What I did is a pretty scummy thing. What makes you believe I'm town?
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On November 24 2014 01:51 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 01:49 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:47 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 01:45 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 01:37 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:34 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch? No. What I did is a pretty scummy thing. What makes you believe I'm town? I'm pretty sure you like to lynch lurkers regardless of what alignment you are. And this post is serious bait because you don't actually believe that. I don't actually believe what? That your vote on KillerSOS is scummy. Well, I don't find it scummy because I'm town so, lol.But if I was someone else, I would be suspicious of this. You literally just said it was scummy. On November 24 2014 01:34 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 01:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 24 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Templar, I need you to answer this: am I scum for voting for the killer SOS lynch? No. What I did is a pretty scummy thing. What makes you believe I'm town? It is, objectively. It's not on my perspective because my role pm says I'm town. That's what I'm trying to say. I know what you tried to do here but it differs a lot from what I've brought from you. Another question: what in my gameplay makes you think I'm town?
Nothing in particular, which is why I am reading you null.
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On November 24 2014 02:27 GlowingBear wrote:You're lacking scumreads
Those are the red arrows
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Really liancourtyboy, it took you 17 hours to decide on lynching me?
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On November 24 2014 07:04 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 07:00 The_Templar wrote:
Really liancourtyboy, it took you 17 hours to decide on lynching me? low and behold you turn up when i post  you aren't trying to figure the game out, you are just deflecting whatever i say discrediting me by being condescending.
yes, because there was so much going on that I should have been involved
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