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On November 23 2014 06:47 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:43 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:34 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:33 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:23 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:15 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 04:44 The_Templar wrote:
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Damdred, I'm saying that your soft reads of me as town suddenly disappeared entirely as soon as it was clear that I was not the main lynch target. You never provide actual examples of what you're talking about even though they exist.
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Attempting to think critically is not a town tell. That just means activity, which is usually null.
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My problem isn't just that you moved away from me, it's that you did so without ever explaining your ideas. When we asked for clarification, you were busy, so quotes would be limited. I wouldn't mind seeing those quotes now, though.
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You made a case on SL, which was perfectly good. A few minutes after you did this, you fished for comments on your vote and made a comment on someone's joke, a time period that lasted about 15 minutes, instead of looking at any of the 11 players that you've barely mentioned at all today. You asked for opinions earlier on a few people, so you definitely had some interest in them, so why didn't you care then?
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I'm reading you pink for hinting you had ideas about things (asking people about other people, reading me town), without specifying things for a long time, until you came out of the blue and scum read SL. I'm sill not sure what i'm supposed to do with a town read on someone when they aren' currently being talked about for lynch. Maybe i should of quoted more on you when I got home thats a fair point but their really wasn't a whole lot and i'm not really trying to make town cases really. Eh, Activity might not be a total tell but being able to see how someone got to a conclussion can be towny and thinking critically while evolving along with the game to me is towny overall. Our opinons will differ I think in this as I think town generally evolves over time while mafia generally can only stagnate or have very fast shifts suddenly. I'm not sure which parts you want quotes on though, your list post of reads while several people don' generally like it I don't mind a all in that context as you actually showed a few quotes especially about me that showed you were thinking. I think we approach EoD very differenly, EoD to me is about pushing your TOP scum lynch not throwing all your reads into the thread to mess up what was going on. The activity at eod was generally very bad and my lynch target had three people and eiher everyone was asleep or not moving, so i'm not sure why my early d1 questions should impact me that i should go off someone who i think has a great chance of being scum and yes i menioned him before and HF actually talked about him for a bit which Iliked. Really hard o defend yourself against really vague null stuff in your post. You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD. Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either. I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). Why are you berating someone calling you town? I know mafia sometimes defends town to try and look active while doing jack shit, but berating him for it...What are you doing? What, I'm not supposed to scum read everyone that calls me town and town read everyone that thinks I'm mafia?  It's not him calling me town, it's how he's doing it. who cares? he's a bad player, he pulled this shit last game by hard defending town. It's hard for him to find good reasons to find you town because all you've done is scummy things! voila~ LOL, if it was hard for him to find good reasons to find me town then he would probably have not read me town. what are you saying man? why do you think damdred called you town then? Because I did towny things? Damdred is scum because he called me town. But I did towny things so its ok for him to call me town but i'll still berate him
When I said Because I did towny things? I obviously meant Because, to him, I did towny things?
That's just nitpicking me.
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On November 23 2014 06:52 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:49 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:47 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 06:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:43 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:34 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:33 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:23 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:15 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:
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You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD.
Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either.
I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). Why are you berating someone calling you town? I know mafia sometimes defends town to try and look active while doing jack shit, but berating him for it...What are you doing? What, I'm not supposed to scum read everyone that calls me town and town read everyone that thinks I'm mafia? It's not him calling me town, it's how he's doing it. who cares? he's a bad player, he pulled this shit last game by hard defending town. It's hard for him to find good reasons to find you town because all you've done is scummy things! voila~ LOL, if it was hard for him to find good reasons to find me town then he would probably have not read me town. what are you saying man? why do you think damdred called you town then? Because I did towny things? Damdred is scum because he called me town. But I did towny things so its ok for him to call me town but i'll still berate him When I said Because I did towny things? I obviously meant Because, to him, I did towny things? That's just nitpicking me. So basically what your doin to everything I post?
I'm not nitpicking your choice of words.
Just provide examples where I did these towny things you speak of. Why is that hard?
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On November 23 2014 06:56 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:49 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:47 Damdred wrote:On November 23 2014 06:44 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:43 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:34 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:33 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:23 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:15 liancourt wrote:On November 23 2014 06:07 The_Templar wrote:
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You're supposed to clarify your controversial reads, and just saying I am probably town without reason is never good. Just because someone's not in immediate danger of being lynched doesn't mean that you can't read them as town, even at EoD.
Agreed that activity is important, but only in order to clarify your ideas. You didn't really do this, but you weren't terribly active either.
I don't really have a specific approach to EoD but yours makes sense, I suppose. The early day 1 questions wouldn't be important, except you never followed up on them, which made it look like you were inflating your filter (trying to look active). Why are you berating someone calling you town? I know mafia sometimes defends town to try and look active while doing jack shit, but berating him for it...What are you doing? What, I'm not supposed to scum read everyone that calls me town and town read everyone that thinks I'm mafia? It's not him calling me town, it's how he's doing it. who cares? he's a bad player, he pulled this shit last game by hard defending town. It's hard for him to find good reasons to find you town because all you've done is scummy things! voila~ LOL, if it was hard for him to find good reasons to find me town then he would probably have not read me town. what are you saying man? why do you think damdred called you town then? Because I did towny things? Damdred is scum because he called me town. But I did towny things so its ok for him to call me town but i'll still berate him When I said Because I did towny things? I obviously meant Because, to him, I did towny things? That's just nitpicking me. if you understand that damdred is reading you town because in his POV you did townie things then why are you berating him?
Read literally any post I've made recently and that will tell you the answer
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On November 23 2014 06:57 Holyflare wrote:
you 2 are both arguing pointlessly, do something else
I'm going to go eat something. You're right, this is 100% pointless
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On November 23 2014 07:00 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 06:58 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 06:57 Holyflare wrote:
you 2 are both arguing pointlessly, do something else I'm going to go eat something. You're right, this is 100% pointless then wtf were you doing for the past hour? scum
This also seems like a question I might ask you
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On November 23 2014 07:31 ritoky wrote:
so i started reading the last few pages and then i stopped when another pissing match was starting....has damdred actually tried to find scum yet this game? all i remember is him being defensive every single time his name comes up.
He made a good case on SL
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On November 23 2014 07:37 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 07:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 07:31 ritoky wrote:
so i started reading the last few pages and then i stopped when another pissing match was starting....has damdred actually tried to find scum yet this game? all i remember is him being defensive every single time his name comes up. He made a good case on SL where is it? all i see is some half assed post about how he backed down on his reads under pressure; the same sort of crap that caused you idiots to lynch a blue. i pretty much want to lynch GB over everyone right now though. like...by a mile.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471226-vi-titanic-mini-mafia-the-return-of-mspaint?page=58#1141
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On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 08:57 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 07:37 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 07:33 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 07:31 ritoky wrote:
so i started reading the last few pages and then i stopped when another pissing match was starting....has damdred actually tried to find scum yet this game? all i remember is him being defensive every single time his name comes up. He made a good case on SL where is it? all i see is some half assed post about how he backed down on his reads under pressure; the same sort of crap that caused you idiots to lynch a blue. i pretty much want to lynch GB over everyone right now though. like...by a mile. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471226-vi-titanic-mini-mafia-the-return-of-mspaint?page=58#1141 i don't think this is a good case at all. flimsy at best.
What do you dislike about it?
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On November 23 2014 12:30 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 12:20 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 11:34 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 11:21 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 11:14 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 11:09 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 10:57 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 10:36 ritoky wrote:On November 23 2014 09:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I can't explain myself anymore, and I'll do it one last time:
1) I thought killer SOS was scummy for coming to the thread when his name was brought up and never trying to at least interact with people.
2) I had scumreads on hopeless and VE but I decided I should keep them alive because I could reevaluate them better on day2. I'd rather lynch a scummy lurker than a scummy but informative player.
3) Someone I was leaning scum on lead the lynch on hopeless, which made me hesitate
4) It seems people are trying to shift the responsibility for lynching killer to me. Funny, I voted him 3 hour sbeidre deadline and I was really asleep. Also, there were people voting with me. Also, there were people online voting for other people, but they mostly wasted their votes.
By the way, I'm feeling the mafia agenda is to blame me and get me mislynched.
Think like this: why would I do such scummy action on day1? If I have perfect information, why would I assume hopeless is scum and vote for someone else? I could simply defend my scum partner, call him town, and lynch my target without drawing that much attention. This is wrong in so many ways I can't even believe it, like it is basically gibberish to me. You don't seem to even understand the accusation. Look at your hopeless read, look at your VE read; do you see them? Look how developed they are, look how much work is there, look at the nuance that is in them. Now look at your killer read: it is "lol afk, lol excuses"; it is shallow to the point of laughable. There wasn't much content there to work with, but the simple fact is the guy did NOTHING, like literal nothing, and you had actual scum reads; yet elected to vote on the dude doing nothing. Then you vote on a wagon being LED by the person you just scum read in hopeless, who you also happen to refuse to vote on for no stated reason. Like in what world does this make any sense? I scum read you, but I won't vote on you for no reason, instead I will vote with you for no reason! I sincerely doubt you actually have a leaning scum read on HF, because the way you conversed with him made it seem like you knew he was town. "why would i do such a scummy action day1 if perfect information?" Plain ass mafia statement. Every caught mafia says this stupid line. However I will humor you, why did LT attach himself to a crap read day 1 last game with perfect information? Because people make errors, do stupid crap, and get caught. I caught LT, and I caught you. Die scum. Well, now that you say it, it was really bad that I voted with hopeless. You are right here. Not the best play. You caught LT that game because he was obvious scum (or jester in my opinion, because he was looking too bad to be mafia). He WANTED to be caught, he wanted to be bussed so his partners would get credit. I don't like you dismissing most of my arguments by just saying its gibberish. This "mafia always says this shit" is bad, anything can be said by both alignments. You know that pretty well. But now that you mention my read on VE: what do you think of it? VE is spending too much time yelling at people and not enough time finding scum. He was okay at the start, then he got into pissing matches. But he voted on hopeless so he is town for now. If he keeps just yelling at people, I will move him out of town. So in a sense your read isn't entirely wrong; but he voted not on the blue but on the guy I wanted to lynch, so... Not sure if VE updated his HF read (cuz he didn't say anything in the thread), but I am also surprised you are not pushing even harder on VE for this: On November 22 2014 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I've even convinced lock-mafia Holyflare that I'm town Jesus Christ. then he votes on the wagon HF is pushing for. Maybe he has the soul read on me as town jesus and is sheeping me, but the fact that you're not driving that point down your top scum read's throat is even more reason for me to believe you're not coming from a town perspective. Uhm... I've pointed it out before. VE isn't committed to the game either. The problem here is that you're assuming I knew killer was town; even more, you're assuming I knew he was blue. Even scum couldn't know that. You're also admitting hopeless is scum instead of bad town. You agree with me that VE looks scummy but you townread by simply having unflipped association and not considering he could have bussed IF hopeless is really scum. ??? I voted to lynch hopeless of course i think he is mafia??? and there's a diff btwn pointing it out and forcing the issue. if you really were in deep on that read you would force the issue. and i think you're mafia so of course i think you knew killer was town and hopeless was mafia? Question: when did you really decided I was mafia? i have a 4 page filter, it's not that hard to comb through. but i guess i can do your own work for you: like you're not willing to find it yourself or push your VE read? what are you willing to do? On November 22 2014 18:52 ritoky wrote:On November 22 2014 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are town hf i suggest you try to work with me and ve instead of what you've done.
I have ~6 hours to only focus on this after i've eaten and got a laptop so let's find mafia then okay?
Not call each other dumb, scumhunt.
Deal? did you see the part where VE voted on hopeless? appears you're the one on a different page. hopeless is mafia. i agree with HF on GB, like he agreed with the read; i mean even went into detail on the level to which he agreed and still refused to vote on hopeless...because??????????? because the guy was afk and not playing the game????? like what the fuck. i am even tempted to lynch GB in front of hopeless for that shit. man that was tough to find!!!! owait Lol ritoky. You could've think I was scummy before the lynch but still not mention it in the thread. Your stance against me, and this post of yours in particular feels so forced. I'm re reading the game to have a better grasp of my reads, although I think I may die tonight without been able to post them. This is what I'm saying: you're reading me as scum ONLY because killer was town. You repeatedly say that we lynched our blue, implying people knew that. This is forced. You have a scum read on hopeless. I don't wish to vote him day1. Therefore, I'm his partner. Logic fails. Who else is scum, ritoky? I'm partner with hopeless. Two more guys.
Exactly where does he say anything about lynching specifically a blue? That seems to be the basis of your retort here and I can not find it at all.
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On November 23 2014 13:39 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 13:34 liancourt wrote:
I like how thread sentiment is a pissing contest rather than finding scum I like how you're ignoring my case on VE and not playing the game. I'm constantly forgetting you're playing. You look like a good lynch too as for now
Agree with this.
Liancourtyboy has had about 6000 opportunities to do something other than what he did day 1 (which was basically throw scum accusations at me until I ran out of funny things to reply with). He took none of them.
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On November 23 2014 13:44 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 13:41 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 13:39 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 13:34 liancourt wrote:
I like how thread sentiment is a pissing contest rather than finding scum I like how you're ignoring my case on VE and not playing the game. I'm constantly forgetting you're playing. You look like a good lynch too as for now Agree with this. Liancourtyboy has had about 6000 opportunities to do something other than what he did day 1 (which was basically throw scum accusations at me until I ran out of funny things to reply with). He took none of them. It bothers me that you are reading the whole discussion with ritoky, probably passed by my VE case, but just commented on this, not following up the question you've made me.
I have read it as it's transpired but not analyzed it, I will be working on it at some point tomorrow if I survive the night as I believe it is fairly important.
My opinion on Liancourtyboy was going to be in response to him but you got there first.
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On November 23 2014 13:50 liancourt wrote:
Exactly temps scum he only comes in when it benefits him
just like you!
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On November 23 2014 14:23 liancourt wrote:
Wtf did medic do?
lynch temp
Apparently, the medic did not heal one of those two players.
Got anything to say besides the same thing for the 30th time?
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On November 23 2014 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, in case I die, take a look at Templar too.
I feel he is coming from a town perspective but he has some weird traits:
1) he is too passive, as pointed out by other players, specially rayn
2) I've just played a game of 1 hours with him where I was mafia and he read me as town. It bothers me that he isn't hesitating into reading me as town now (he seems to believe I'm town since my opening)
3) he (and VE) were incisive when I "breadcrumbed" being a vigi (I said I was sure liancourt was going to die tonight on purpose, to look like I was breadcrumbing being a vigi, and this way I take the shot, as I'm self aware that I'm not one of the most insightful players right now and I'm may not be because I'm having a busy month). When they saw it, they started to ask questions, which felt they were looking for blues, instead of just shutting up.
That's it. Kthxbai
1) Meta, not much else to say
2) I am hesitant... I just haven't expressed it as much as I've been thinking it. I don't want to risk discussing all of my reads with you at this point because of that.
3) Soft claims as obvious as that one are bait for me. I will always ask questions when you make a statement like that, also meta.
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On November 23 2014 14:37 liancourt wrote:
Me rayn hf read temp scum
hf is dead. Temp scum
He knew hf could lead a lynch on him so he killed him. I betting some hfs reads were correct so they killed him. Hf and rayn were also saying that i wasnt a good lynch on day 1. Temp now wants to lynch me again and got rid of hf who was reading me town. Temp scum
lynch with fyre
So, since HF practically forced people to unvote me towards the end of day 1, I killed him?
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I'm going to bed, I've withstood hours of liancourtyboy repeating the same line over and over again
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On November 23 2014 14:41 Chezinu wrote:
Nor can we confirm or deny the allegation that said weapon was functional. We are currently investigating what took place last night. We were not prepared for this type of infiltration.
Who's we?
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On November 23 2014 14:45 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 14:43 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 14:41 Chezinu wrote:
Nor can we confirm or deny the allegation that said weapon was functional. We are currently investigating what took place last night. We were not prepared for this type of infiltration. Who's we? The BankIt speaks.
sure, but the bank is one entity
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On November 23 2014 14:47 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 14:45 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 14:45 Chezinu wrote:On November 23 2014 14:43 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 14:41 Chezinu wrote:
Nor can we confirm or deny the allegation that said weapon was functional. We are currently investigating what took place last night. We were not prepared for this type of infiltration. Who's we? The BankIt speaks. sure, but the bank is one entity Correct. One, yet has many forms.
ok you've convinced me
good night for real now
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On November 23 2014 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 13:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok town, ok going to sleep. In case I die:
Lynch VE
Lynch FF
Lynch Hopeless, maybe (I don't know, I feel he is scummy but there is something making me hesitant to lynch him. Maybe it's because one scumread of mine [VE] was pushing him since the beginning)
Take a look at: Rayn, sick lucker, Ritoky
Constantly reevaluate HF. See if he is having double standards. If yes, he might be mafia. But he looks townie until now.
Good night. Now that you didn't die all your scumreads are town, and you completely changed everything from asslicking rayn/HF into "here's my thoughts". Now that i didn't die aswell, fucking explain! 
What the hell is this post? I seriously hope it's just a joke, because 'not dying' isn't that important for reads.
On November 23 2014 19:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i don't even have to play.
Lynch Templar. Then lynch Slam. Then ask GB why his reads are/were shit and take a close look at Damdred.
bang game solved, everyone else was town.
Yes you do. Serious overconfidence problem going on here.
On November 23 2014 20:41 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 19:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i don't even have to play.
Lynch Templar. Then lynch Slam. Then ask GB why his reads are/were shit and take a close look at Damdred.
bang game solved, everyone else was town. Well, I was the only one hesitant to lynch hopeless and he flipped town. Maybe my reads are not that shifty. I have no idea why you want to lynch slam.
...That actually doesn't really help your case, GB. According to him, your reads are terrible because they're different than his.
Anyway, a mafia might have seen VE's shot at hopeless coming (assuming he's actually Vig) and made sure he had a town opinion on him.
On November 23 2014 20:50 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So hey GB who are you gonna push now when all your scumreads or "people you are hesitant about" got confirmed in a way or another? I'm probably with you on Templar. I've pointed out some odd behaviours of him at night and now that you claim being saved, I'm more comfortable with cooperativ with you.
"I pointed tiny things out in order to please you, and in order to avoid conflict I completely ignored his response"
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