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On November 05 2014 07:41 sicklucker wrote:
scum - elvis and bat. They switched their vote at the last second but not to the person that woulda saved the cop.
Breshke He had plenty of time to change his vote
as for Immaterial if we think elvis and bat are scum just because they didnt vote for him does not mean hes scum with them. The reason they didnt vote for him is because that would give him 5 votes and the cop wouldnt die hes null for me.
Well if im dead on my first night at least you know why.
unnecessary WIFOM but I kinda like your lost.
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I have been flip-flopping on my read on you snacks but i've got you town as it stands right now. leaning town is more accurate but yeah you're still cool for me
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On November 05 2014 08:02 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 07:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 05 2014 07:47 KelsierSC wrote:On November 05 2014 07:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 05 2014 07:28 sicklucker wrote:
Im going with KelsierSC as a town here. He may have blotched it and got the cop killed but you can see what he was trying to do. I dont think he does this as mafia it makes no sense. The cop came out so theres no reason to do a high risk play to get him killed I mean, he got the real cop killed and wasted a lynch. It's a start. lol ok , where did you vote again? I don't regret my decision. I didn't believe you. I was wrong. But LS seemed full of shit to me and that's how I voted. It's just like mislynching any other VT anyway, since he would've been useless due to roleblock you didn't believe me but you voted on LS? he would have been un cc'd cop to you then
this. This.
THIS.
I had this post typed, hit F5 absentmindedly and lost my post.
I was upset until I realized I was gonna be ninja'd anyway.
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This game is making my brain hurt
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I actually, when Kelly first CC'd, was thinking it was to call out a bluff since he said "recend it's the town thing to do" or whatever his actual phrasing was. I was fucking IN ON THE TRAP at that point. When you came back and pressed the issue further, I thought for sure you were really the cop.
I hates you right now kelsier.
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Yeah Kelly it was a no-brainer with the combo of your pressing the issue and his complete disregard of the fakeclaim.
I'm gonna take a minute and rethink this whole situation.
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as in, I don't place the entire blame on you. Although the cop was a newb and you're not, it was still bad play on both parts.
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On November 05 2014 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
and a final thing to show I am town and let us move on.
IF i am mafia.
I know LS is the cop because I know the set up, so why do I then resend off him and potentially allow someone else to be lynched instead of the cop.
To play devil's advocate here:
You know the setup so you know there's no watcher. He gets lynched and you killed cop, win for scum. Everyone shennanies onto a town and you RB him all game for an effective "double-kill"
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On November 05 2014 08:29 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 08:28 KelsierSC wrote:On November 05 2014 08:27 batsnacks wrote:On November 05 2014 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
and a final thing to show I am town and let us move on.
IF i am mafia.
I know LS is the cop because I know the set up, so why do I then resend off him and potentially allow someone else to be lynched instead of the cop.
NOPE mafia knows the setup dude. Explain it to me like I'm in primary school.
The op actually says that mafia is told the setup.
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Then again the OP actually says the cop is called the cop and that deadline is 12pm PST
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On November 05 2014 08:38 Elvis! wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 08:17 sicklucker wrote:On November 05 2014 08:02 Elvis! wrote:
sicklucker your post isn't really making much sense, I didn't change my vote a lot at all. Your right I made a mistake thought both you and bats changed your votes to Serejai after KelsierSC shenanigans. Your off my scum list im taking in alot of info in a short time my bad. still not quite right, I was the one to make a push on Serejai and I kept it for a loooong time, only went for LS for 5 minutes, then went back.
Kush voted serejai first, then me. Unless I remember incorrectly.
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On November 05 2014 09:21 Elvis! wrote:
Just as a quick read before further investigation I think Chelsea CCing wasn't a good thing at all and I generally just don't get the claiming-cop situation at this moment.
Before his claim this LS guy was someone noone really trusted/supported and he was bringing a lot of ridiculous stuff to get people not to vote him.
Suddenly he claims and all of a sudden, people who had an agenda against him suddenly believe him / vote on him more and fucking counterclaim.
There was no reasoning at all to believe him in the first place as most of the stuff he posted before were chaotic, non-townie things, even lying here and there.
But masses start believing and now they claim they knew he's right without any base at all to do so .
Please people give me reasons based on LS posts before his claim why you believed his claim / are defending him etc. .
Obviously his claim was right, but that wasn't even remotely understandable at that point.
We really need to sort out this chaos, I think talking about why people believed LS is a good start.
Could you quote posts that exemplify the bolded line? Unless you think lynching an un-CCd cop is ever a good idea, then please explain your reasoning for that.
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On November 05 2014 09:32 Elvis! wrote:
I don't know if my mindset is just shitty, but I never viewed him as an actual cop to begin with.
I just thought of it to be a last ditch effort to not get lynched.
All of you see this very technical with needing a counter-claim, but why couldn't someone just fakeclaim being cop?
Why does the real cop need to out himself or anyone? Why can people not be like "well, I don't think he's cop, so his claiming is irrelevant.
Like he suddenly went from someone noone believed to a fuckin saint by claiming.
Claiming! Someone who posted actual lies repeatedly before and never contributed anything of worth!
Why did people believe his claim?
I don't think you understand the significance of a cop-claim, especially in this scenario.
Mafia claims cop D1 to get out of lynch and nobody CCs. They live, we mislynch, bad stuff.
Cop-claiming mafia lives through N1 and claims to have been roleblocked. In this situation we either have a real cop who stategically withheld his counterclaim to see if he could get another check who can now claim and bury the mafia OR we have a watcher/doctor combo. Watcher logically would watch the cop to see if he really was roleblocked so mafia is forced to now waste RB on the scum to keep appearances or he gets outed.
This is all assuming there is no medic save on the night kill because if there's a medic save the watcher/cop can freely claim and out the mafia without worrying about death.
I can't see a situation where killing an un-CCd cop is good unless you somehow have proof that person can't be cop.
Hell even if the other PRs are incompetant we can still catch them at lylo because no mafia team is leaving a confirmed town alive at lylo.
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A mafia who claims cop literally puts themselves on a death clock
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On November 05 2014 10:51 Elvis! wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 09:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
A mafia who claims cop literally puts themselves on a death clock I don't think so. Why would it come out that he's not the real cop? There can always be docs / roleblockers messing up actually confirming someone town. Educate me why it's like apparently impossible to fakeclaim cop in your opinion, even though it's a thing mafia are usually known to do every now and then
I'm not saying it's an impossible play by any means. I'm saying that the risk/reward for town lynching an unCC'd cop is too much to be a good call Day1. Town has multiple options to deal with a mafia claiming cop where mafia puts themselves on the radar. Sure it always looks good to lynch mafia, especially D1 but it looks absolutely terrible to lynch the cop D1.
See what I'm saying?
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On November 05 2014 11:00 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 10:54 Elvis! wrote:On November 05 2014 09:53 Grackaroni wrote:On November 05 2014 09:45 Elvis! wrote:On November 05 2014 09:34 Grackaroni wrote:
I believed LS prior to even learning about a claim because he was eager to share his opinion despite the fact that people were burying him for writing posts that don't make sense. I could see that he was actually trying to give his opinion; it's just that his opinion was always a summary of what somebody else had posted.
I feel Mafia would try to blend more - which is why I think Immaterial would have been a better lynch. I didn't like Immaterial's initial vote and after that he wrote out a long post with no real content in it and disappeared. In that long post Immaterial seemed more interested in showing to everybody that he was thinking about the game (he included all of his thought processes for each of his reads even when they led to no conclusion whatsoever) while LS just said whatever he was thinking at the time. How can you blend in more than posting stuff other people posted? that was his thought process though. People called him out for his posts and he kept doing the same thing. Just look at the frequency he posted compared to Immaterial. He seemed eager to give his opinion while Immaterial did not. This was his thought process is just being WIFOM. You can't know. Keeping to do the same worthless 3-4 liners is not town behaviour. You can't be serious and say he tried just because he had many posts, his posts were reposts and short and without any proof and like holy fuck how can you defend that. Why are you defending him so much? I can know. I can also tell you other things about him too. I'm not trying to be insulting, but I would estimate that he was probably somewhere around 15-17 years old judging from the grammar in his posts.
Oooh, ooh, is this like one of those guess-your-weight things?
How old am I?
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On November 05 2014 11:14 Grackaroni wrote:
lol that was a terrible guess. Your name is Fecalfeast!
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Closer than 33 was.
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