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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 05 2014 02:04 GMT
#909
Look what I'm trying to say is that I actually try to read into each player. I won't look at what Marv posts and then look at what Kush posts - decide that Marv's posts make more sense than Kush's posts and call Kush scum. If I scum read people purely based on whose posts make the most sense then I would never scum read Marv.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 05 2014 02:08 GMT
#910
On November 05 2014 10:56 Elvis! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 10:28 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 05 2014 06:19 Serejai wrote:
On November 05 2014 06:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Oh I didn't even see the claim from LS. Looking for a better wagon while taking notes lol. I think inmaterial is a good lynch


IS THIS BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAID ABOUT HIM? Please say yes.

This is a townie post. A lot of his posts are quite townie really. Don't lynch this guy.


This is a trolly post. How is this alignment indicative. Why are you being so weird. Maybe we'll lynch this guy?

It is alignment indicative. He's drawing attention to his reasoning; it says that Serejai wants people to read why he thinks Immaterial is scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 05 2014 02:13 GMT
#911
On November 05 2014 11:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 11:00 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 05 2014 10:54 Elvis! wrote:
On November 05 2014 09:53 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 05 2014 09:45 Elvis! wrote:
On November 05 2014 09:34 Grackaroni wrote:
I believed LS prior to even learning about a claim because he was eager to share his opinion despite the fact that people were burying him for writing posts that don't make sense. I could see that he was actually trying to give his opinion; it's just that his opinion was always a summary of what somebody else had posted.

I feel Mafia would try to blend more
- which is why I think Immaterial would have been a better lynch. I didn't like Immaterial's initial vote and after that he wrote out a long post with no real content in it and disappeared. In that long post Immaterial seemed more interested in showing to everybody that he was thinking about the game (he included all of his thought processes for each of his reads even when they led to no conclusion whatsoever) while LS just said whatever he was thinking at the time.



How can you blend in more than posting stuff other people posted?

that was his thought process though. People called him out for his posts and he kept doing the same thing. Just look at the frequency he posted compared to Immaterial. He seemed eager to give his opinion while Immaterial did not.




This was his thought process
is just being WIFOM. You can't know.
Keeping to do the same worthless 3-4 liners is not town behaviour.
You can't be serious and say he tried just because he had many posts, his posts were reposts and short and without any proof and like holy fuck how can you defend that.

Why are you defending him so much?

I can know. I can also tell you other things about him too. I'm not trying to be insulting, but I would estimate that he was probably somewhere around 15-17 years old judging from the grammar in his posts.


Oooh, ooh, is this like one of those guess-your-weight things?

How old am I?

I'd have to RNG that one. 33?
Ok I lied - I just guessed.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 05 2014 02:14 GMT
#912
lol that was a terrible guess. Your name is Fecalfeast!
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 05 2014 02:21 GMT
#914
I thought it was related to poopfeast420
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 05 2014 03:47 GMT
#922
On November 05 2014 09:21 Elvis! wrote:
Please people give me reasons based on LS posts before his claim why you believed his claim / are defending him etc. .
Obviously his claim was right, but that wasn't even remotely understandable at that point.

We really need to sort out this chaos, I think talking about why people believed LS is a good start.

The reason I am "defending" LS right now is because you specifically asked us to say why we defended him/ believed his claim.
On November 05 2014 12:36 Elvis! wrote:
Why am I asking why he's defending?
Since this guy flipped town now everyone is sheeping everything he has ever done.
I don't get this at all.
About LS:
Please, someone be reasonable and actually post stuff he made that wasn't null or scum.
Please, someone be reasonable and actually post more information on why he couldn't have just fakeclaimed.
At this point the only reason I see is that he might come in a weird situation in lylo if all our powerroles play well and a lot of stuff happens that isn't forced to happen.

Imagine this: He would have been scum, faceclaimed, we would have lynched someone else, everyone would have sheeped him like they did and how they are now (why wouldn't they), scum would, since town is reacting in this way, basically have a confirmed townie among their lines.
Even if people wouldn't have sheeped him as much as they are now this would be a desaster for town and really good for scum.

Why are scenarios like this less possible than the other ones. I'm not convinced at all about all the things people are saying about LS. People kept pointing out all his mistakes and scummy posts before and now he's suddenly considered a god amongst people.
I only see a lot of people that could be scum earn town cred right nowfor sheeping him and talking about how he was town, why we shouldn't have voted for him and so on.
No risk, easy town points for our opponents.

I don't have a good feeling about this.

I gave my reasoning for why I felt LS was more likely town in response to your post. Now you are accusing me of trying to gain town cred for town reading him? Or am I misreading this?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 05 2014 04:17 GMT
#933
On November 05 2014 12:59 Elvis! wrote:
@Grack I'm accusing all the people who defended him after his death of wanting easy towncred.
I know that you were one of the people who believed him beforehand.
As I stated I don't think your reasoning you had is valid at all, since his actions have never been townie or helped town in any way, since he never put much effort into them, making a lot of 3-4 liners is not difficult, doesn't show someone being active or trying.

So I'm accusing you less of defending him now (still a bit since you stick to your read and defended a bit more) and more of defending him in the first place. His play didn't warrant him being rated anything better than null

That's fair enough. I'm aware of why he was scum read - his posts weren't very good and he parroted other people's ideas. I focused more into the motivations behind his posts and I also factored into account what I thought about the person making the posts. (I had less expectations for his posts than I do for Breshke's posts. Breshke made some good posts today that actually analyzed whether something was townie or scummy)

I think it's completely reasonable for you to not understand how I got that town read because from your perspective none of his posts are townie. There's not much I can really say besides we have different views. I feel mafia are perfectly capable of making good posts day1, and I wouldn't town read people for any of the things that were used to form the 'town circle' from earlier today.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 05 2014 04:19 GMT
#934
On November 05 2014 13:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
From what everyone says, kush is really bad at playing scum and usually slips up early.

He has been inactive mostly but I have no real read on him. I am just about to leave for home. If I remember I'll dive his filter when I am home.

Kush is quite bad at playing scum. He used to only be capable of bussing as scum, so if all of Kush's reads were correct you could tell that he had too much information.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 05 2014 04:37 GMT
#938
here are some funny Kush quotes from an old scum qt I remembered from the TL mafia database.
(this is an awesome place to go to if you want to study past games of a player in your game!)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database

kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted
09-22-2013
02:22 AM ET (US)


here is a gift i am going to give to all of you. The gift of a 100% easy and correct way of reading my alignment.

I cannot read town filters as scum. I just tried and it's impossible. Too boring! But I do it as my primary scumhunting method as town.

kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted
09-21-2013
09:57 AM ET (US)

please bus me i want my life to end

kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted
09-21-2013
09:38 AM ET (US)

im so sad i got scum. everyone has permission to bus the shit out of me

kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted
09-20-2013
10:58 PM ET (US)

nah im trash scum and i will bus all of you in the most obvious manner
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 05 2014 04:40 GMT
#939
I don't know where LS was caught lying? The detective claim instead of cop? I didn't see any of that until after the deadline but that could have altered my read in retrospect.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 05 2014 04:53 GMT
#945
It depends a lot on the setup. If it's watcher/cop then scum has a lot of incentive to make sure that LS dies because in that case they can't RB him and will have to sacrifice a player to kill him or let him get checks (watcher is guaranteed to watch LS to check if he is RB'd or not)
If it's doc/cop then mafia don't need to lynch LS they can just RB him.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 05 2014 05:39 GMT
#948
On November 05 2014 13:51 Elvis! wrote:
@Grack read stuff about his lies on my filter (page 1-3) and look at his filter. It's not difficult to see where he contradicted himself and lied.

This is probably the last I'll talk about this unless you really want to keep discussing it.
On November 04 2014 07:34 Elvis! wrote:
Talking about this Lightning guy.
So he begins with a vote on superbia.
...
I don't even...
Like how can you vote someone without giving reasoning.

Ok, he later on gives reasoning after being asked multiple times, as he says "I have read chelsea's posts (and I wanna look town so I agree with the guy who people think is townie)"

Then he's like, "wait a second, chelsea pulled his vote back. Time to pull mine back as well so I fit in again and don't look suspicious. Being mafai is so easy".

Then he sees people going on about Immortal.
Now guess what happens next.
He calls someone fishy without reasoning what exactly is meant, why it is fishy, why that appears scummy or anything of importance.
Generally, I am yet to see him post his own opinion that isn't basically copy-pasted from someone (especially chelsea), rephrased or wishy-washy (referring to his recent post on Immortal being "fishy").

I am yet to see his posts exceed 4 lines, and even those 4 lines don't ever have content. He just rephrases stuff and basically reposts others, and I'm yet to see anything productive from him.
He doesn't even remotely try hunting scum
For now, if he doesn't drastically change his playstyle or someone more definitive arrises, I view him as a mafia lurker.

##Vote LightningStrike .

This isn't LS lying, this is just your narrative of his play:
"I have read chelsea's posts (and I wanna look town so I agree with the guy who people think is townie)"

Then he's like, "wait a second, chelsea pulled his vote back. Time to pull mine back as well so I fit in again and don't look suspicious. Being mafai is so easy".

Another narrative (and the correct one, mind you) is that LS didn't have a strong idea of how to scum hunt, so his reads were strongly influenced by what other people were saying in thread. He saw reasoning from someone he thought was townie so he voted Superbia, then people started arguing that it was a bad vote and he was influenced by that reasoning as well so he unvoted Superbia.
I thought my explanation for his play fit a bit better because he didn't seem too nervous about doing it. He came back to the thread and kept making similar posts despite people calling him out for copying other people's thoughts.

It took me a remarkably long time to figure out what was going on in that other post of his that you quoted accusing him of lying. But it was essentially just an expansion of this
On November 04 2014 23:20 LightningStrike wrote:
I just woke up and saw Elvis thinking I am a scum when he already switched his views a lot so his vote should be taken with a grain of salt on that part but however I do agree his posts were mainly suspicious because of him defending Superbia with mostly saying just wait till Superbia post and after Superbia made a post Elvis tried to stear all the attention away from Superbia and placed it on me and Sentinel which kind of screams Scum due to Sentinel is a townie and although my post are kind of bad but I am a Townie.
##unvote

##vote Elvis

He's not lying about anything he's just not using very good reasoning. He feels sentinel is town and knows that he is town. He's arguing that you are scum because you weren't suspicious of Superbia and then you tried to shift attention off of Superbia on to him/sentinel. There's no lie in that - it's just not a very good reason to suspect you.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 05 2014 17:46 GMT
#976
I won't be on either, focus on immaterial/Kush when they post tomorrow.
I was pressuring Elvis a lot yesterday but I don't think he's scum anymore.
Superbia/sentinel are both possibilities
Try to look at KSCs play as a whole rather than just the fake claim -I'm pretty sure town fake counter claims more often than scum.
Batsnacks vote doesn't matter too much to me. It's not strange reasoning from Serajai but he could have easily not changed votes at all.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 10 2014 22:16 GMT
#2265
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 22 2014 22:01 GMT
#3517
pro-tip: Don't policy lynch people in lylo
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 22 2014 22:02 GMT
#3523
And big props to Super for staying in the game. I think most people would have conceded.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 23 2014 01:10 GMT
#3574
On November 23 2014 07:01 Blazinghand wrote:
Driving right now will post more thoughts in about an hour

Could this be a repeat of British empire 2?
On April 20 2014 06:20 Blazinghand wrote:
Ok ok so some stuff came up.

Let's say end of April. It'll happen I promise. I know it has been a year and a month since the end of this game, but THE END GAME WRITEUP WILL HAPPEN.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 23 2014 07:03 GMT
#3601
I agree. It's usually best to blame Palmar.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 23 2014 07:05 GMT
#3602
Blaming Marv can also work pretty well. It was Marv's fault for not solving the game for me.
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