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Breshke
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On November 05 2014 06:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: The problem with counterclaims is that we might have the setup with a doctor and a watcher. Yeah but as scum he would know that and wouldnt claim cop because if he is scum cop claim was probably to bait a CC | ||
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On November 05 2014 06:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: But nobody would oppose him that way. It's only when he's about to get lynched that he can buy himself another day. Then he can give out reads as needed. Maybe even sacrifice himself to kill two townies and waste a lynch, since, even though he dies, it stops any discussion? That last part I'm unsure about, but I could see myself doing a fakeclaim like that as scum. I never thought about it this way this is an interesting insight | ||
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Why can't we just lynch kush today? | ||
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On November 05 2014 07:05 kushm4sta wrote: i dont get your reasoning here. he can be proved by a flip or a claim. Very possibly that would have happened before lylo but if it didn't so what. We would still have confirmed scum/town at lylo. Why would mafia ever kill him they would just roleblock him and leave him alive. People would always be unsure on him there would always be the world where there is a watcher and a medic or where there was another cop not wanting to claim yet. Going forward I didn't think he would be necessary as he is useless until we killed the roleblocker and i was confident in that happening. It was wrong though i should have changed my vote i was bullheaded though and was sure he was just trying to save himself as mafia. Also are you going to actually start helping town now or what? | ||
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Bats once again i ask why you unvoted straight away after he claimed. So you think this guy is scum you have started a bandwagon on him. Then he claims cop and you immediately unvote. As town you would have suspicion of a fake claim as he was claiming to save himself. So why didn't you leave your vote and pressure him. That play doesn't add up. I think KSC is town and im leaning scum on bats. | ||
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On November 05 2014 08:17 kushm4sta wrote: do people see how this reasoning is from the point of view that that dude in question is town? this was reasoning he was using before the flip. "Why would mafia ever kill him when they can just roleblock him?" which is true if he's town. But if he's scum, there is a high possibility the real pr will die in which case ls would be confirmed scum. What are you trying to say here? | ||
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Elvis why was your vote on serajai. People were obviously not switching to this target could you explain your thought process. Also what do you think about immaterials alignment? | ||
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FF what is your opinion on kush? | ||
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I find the way sicklucker has enterd the game has been very good. I think if he was mafia coming into this game he wouldn't be so quick to give reads like this On November 05 2014 07:41 sicklucker wrote: scum - elvis and bat. They switched their vote at the last second but not to the person that woulda saved the cop. Breshke He had plenty of time to change his vote as for Immaterial if we think elvis and bat are scum just because they didnt vote for him does not mean hes scum with them. The reason they didnt vote for him is because that would give him 5 votes and the cop wouldnt die hes null for me. Well if im dead on my first night at least you know why. Sicklucker how many mafia do you think are in the final votes on LS? | ||
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On November 05 2014 05:53 kushm4sta wrote: basically due to the closed nature of this game, LS is now a terrible lynch because his alignment can be confirmed at lylo. I seriously don't understand this guy. He has sparks of seeming to try help town but doesn't expand on anything. So kush thought LS was a terrible lynch then why didn't he switch his vote to immaterial? He said the LS lynch was bad and was in a direct position to stop it but took no action to do so. Kush is coasting he isn't trying this makes even more sense if he has a hard time playing scum. He needs to be seriously looked at tomorrow we can't just let him have a free pass again. Look at kush pre game this for example is one of his posts. On October 30 2014 08:54 kushm4sta wrote: 1) Serejai huh 2) Breshke huh 3) Elvis! huh 4) KelsierSC leaver 5) Immaterial huh 8) Batsnacks oh no 9) kushm4sta only decent player signed up 10) Grackaroni fackk 11) FecalFeast incoming headache 12) Superbia don't remember what this guy's like I assume this is a joke i put myself into the mindset of kush. He doesn't know who half of us are because we are new. If he is town how does he not want to be more involved but is happy to just let us do whatever. Look at the tone of his pregame i can't quote it because it is just the general feel of it he seems hyped then D1 starts and nothing. | ||
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On November 05 2014 13:33 sicklucker wrote: I think theres 3 mafia in the 4 who voted + bats. I include bats because if he changed his vote at the last second to Immaterial instead of Serejai then lightning would have survived because Immaterial would of been voted off which would have been alot better then are likely cop. I think the best strategy is to vote out 2 or 3 of them if we hit scum keep going(it will tell us if we hit one right?). If not reevaluate. I disagree here. There is 4 people (including bats) who had their votes on people who weren't possibly getting lynched. I think it is more likely that a majority of mafia is in the group because they would have known that LS was the cop(or dumb VT but not likely). Yeah there was a KSC CC but it was weak in my opinion and i will admit i didn't believe it and yes i still voted on LS. The point is what was the reason for these 4 people to waste their votes it doesn't make sense to me as town. Either they believed LS and vote immaterial to save him or they believed LS was mafia and vote him. As scum however not voting on LS makes them look townier and not voting on Immaterial means they get the cop lynched. | ||
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On November 05 2014 13:53 Grackaroni wrote: It depends a lot on the setup. If it's watcher/cop then scum has a lot of incentive to make sure that LS dies because in that case they can't RB him and will have to sacrifice a player to kill him or let him get checks (watcher is guaranteed to watch LS to check if he is RB'd or not) If it's doc/cop then mafia don't need to lynch LS they can just RB him. I disagree i think it is even better for them if it is watcher/cop. They kill him during the night watcher outs with one of the mafia and they get 2 PRs for one mafia that is a fantastic trade. Yes it is easier for them now that we lynched him but did they need to ensure that the lynch went over? I don't think so i think they get a good deal in every case there unless immaterial is the mafia roleblocker and that lynch got pushed over. | ||
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