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On November 05 2014 04:00 Breshke wrote:
Morning guys here earlier than expected because i couldn't sleep.
Im really not sure on serajai at the moment but that might just be because her scumlist is almost everyone i said i wanted to lynch earlier. Also if she is mafia there is at least one scum in the people she called out because the others i hope i think i have a fairly good town read.
Superbia if you are around id appreciate if you'd change your vote as sentinel isn't getting lynched today.
Also i still don't see why kush is getting a pass today. Since my post on him not one person has called him mafia or expressed the desire to vote on him. This could also attribute to me wanting to read serajai as town. i've been one of the most universally town read person this game so I find it interesting that no mafia joined this wagon on kush. I know my case was weak as he hasn't actually posted anything that is scummy per-say it is more in his lack of posting considering his hype in the pre game. He is still low hanging fruit though so if he is town I see no reason why mafia haven't jumped on this although i might be reading into this too much.
Mafia are too busy tunneling me to worry about kush.
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That post of his is the main reason why I think he's scum. He claims kush is town because he "asks scum to quit" and throws his vote on a troll, then leaves the thread without contributing anything.
Explain to me again how throwing your lynch vote on a random troll post is a pro-town thing to do? Last I checked lynching townies just because you don't like their first post would be considered a scum thing to do. Not to mention asking scum to quit. How on earth is that pro-town? It's not like the mafia are going to ask the town to quit.
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It's also amusing that the first three people I called out as scum all have sat their votes on me ever since, while preaching to other people in the thread about how it's "textbook scum play" to vote for someone just because they called you scum.
Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet the scum team of kush, Fecal, and Elvis.
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On November 05 2014 04:18 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 04:00 Serejai wrote:On November 05 2014 03:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
##Vote: Serejai
That vote and the rationale doesn't sit well at all with me. Explain yourself, please. Lol, the rationale doesn't sit well? That's a very scummy thing to say. I know I'm town, and I don't know what cricket is. Therefore, if the lynch is going to be me or cricket... why would I let myself stay in the hot seat? I don't think cricket is scum, but I know that I'm not; so if it's him or me, I'll choose him. I thought you were town but this post of yours is scummy as shit. Alright look if you're town, let me break this down for you. This: Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 03:58 Serejai wrote:
My vote would still be on Elvis if I had a choice, but I do not; it doesn't seem like anyone else is willing to commit to him.
I would be willing to change my vote to Immaterial as well, and here's why: Is really scummy. If you keep your vote on Cricketer, and he gets enough votes to be lynched, and if you turn out to be right and he's actually town, you're helping scum win. That's one more wasted lynch for the town and one less person to eliminate for the mafia. You don't follow bandwagons either. That's what scum does because other people make misguided cases and then scummers can put nails in the coffin. Now here you have a case on Immaterial. But after all that evidence that you dug up on him and you being convinced he's scum (which is what I'm getting from reading that post, you don't even vote for the guy. Why not? The rest of us will commit to him if and only if you deliver some sort of evidence that says "This guy is definitely the scum, and these guys who you're all voting for right now are town, or at least less scummy than Immaterial". For example I'm voting for you because you have way too many scumreads, are doing the most scum-beneficial things possible right now, and the people who you're voting for doesn't equate to the people who you think are scum. In other words, to answer your question, you're letting yourself stay in the hot seat right now. So here's what I want you to do, if you're town: 1. There are three scum in the game. Give me the three who you think are the most scummy in this game. If you're really unsure about a third, you can do an alternate fourth. 2. Tell me why those three are the scummiest players in the game. 3 (optional but recommended). Before you post, play devil's advocate. Think about these players being town, and try to justify their actions. Use this to refine your final judgment. 4. Pick the scummiest of the bunch and vote for them.
You list four things, and I've already done them all.
1) I've stated my scumlist numerous times in this thread (Elvis, Fecal, bat, kush / Immaterial), and all that resulted from it was all four of them voting to lynch me.
2) I've stated why I think all of them are scum, and this resulted in my scumlist tunneling me.
4) I've picked the scummiest of my scumlist (Elvis) and voted for them, which resulted in everyone getting scum reads on me because apparently Elvis is confirmed town.
Unlike some people in this thread who change their minds every few hours, my scum list has been consistent the entire game.
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On November 05 2014 04:31 Breshke wrote:
Jasmine changing your mind is hardly a scum tell. You need to look towards peoples reasoning as to why they changed their mind. do you agree with this reasoning/would it make yo change your mind, if yes then you can look at it as towny. If no maybe they are just misreading something so you question them about it or call them scum for it.
You have given hardly any reasoning fr your scum team so how can anyone do this with you. It feels like you are just pulling names out of the pool of people calling you scum.
I have given plenty of reasoning for my scumlist.
kush, Elvis, and Fecal all voted for me without any reasoning other than not liking my initial post. The entire reason I made a troll post to start with is because that kind of stuff nearly always baits out at least one mafia in real life games. I figured it would work equally well in an online format, and so the people that fell for it went on my scum list.
Elvis and Fecal went straight to the top because they immediately started tunneling me - which was pretty convenient for them, because they were both on a lot of people's scum lists. I also stated why I felt they were both mafia together:
On November 04 2014 11:15 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 10:56 Breshke wrote:On November 04 2014 10:40 Serejai wrote:
Fecal seems like someone who just went into mafia chat with Elvis and they just decided to start shifting the focus to a new townie after they realized it wasn't working on Superbia. What about fecals vote on elvis. if you think they are partners what do you think was going on there. Random vote for Elvis, immediately followed by a "jk Elvis is cool now in my book for no apparent reason", and then continues to follow elvis around like a lost puppy for the rest of the thread. Pretty standard bad scum play.
And then I stated why I think Elvis is scum:
On November 04 2014 22:16 Serejai wrote:
Either Sentinel is scum or Elvis+Fecal are scum.
Still leaning Elvis because of how much he contradicts himself.
Starts off calling out Superbia because "Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum".
Then once Sentinel says the same thing, Elvis suddenly flip-flops and says "so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy... Okay I guess." in sarcasm and proceeds to call Sentinel scum.
I come into the game with a troll post as well and, once again, Elvis does a complete flip-flip and suddenly trolling = obvious scum again.
Don't know how you guys play online mafia but this is pretty cut and dry mafia play for IRL games.
I would put Bresh, Grack, and Sentinel as town at the moment because they're the only ones that seem to notice some of the sketchy posting by Elvis. Lightning is null to me; he may post scummy but surely if he were mafia his teammates would step in and help improve his posting - unless they are intentionally trying to throw him under the bus. If Lightning gets lynched and turns town we should probably look at the people who were pushing for him (coincidentally Elvis is at the top of that list).
And the rest of my scum list:
On November 05 2014 00:28 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 23:21 Elvis! wrote:
Sooooo you define town solely on people who are "detecting my sketchy play".
Yes, detecting sketchy play and thus hunting scum is what town does.
But there has been sketchy play by quite some people - especially by straight up lying.
So because you tunnel me, any scummy play by people who aren't me is irrelevant to you apparently.
Why don't you define town by them being useful in catching scum. They can and are supposed to question everyone's play including mine, but you can't define town by them tunneling on the same guy as you .
You basically just said "yeah my play is scummy but so are other people so it's not fair to only go after me". Nice scumslip. You're half right, though; you're not the only person with scum posting. Fecal also has some sketchy posting and - what a coincidence - you two have been sheeping each other. Lightning is also scummy but there are only three mafia, and I'm more convinced you and Fecal are mafia than him, and it wouldn't make sense for you two to go after your third member. For him to be mafia then you and Fecal would need to be town, and I don't see that happening. He's also a very convenient push for you scum tonight because he's a new player and if he comes up as town you can just pull the "well it was an honest mistake, he sounded scummy" card. Free townie out of the game for you. Cricketer has been AFK the entire game. batsnacks is scummy as shit as well. He's posted a lot but they are all no-content one-liners, and a quarter of them are just defending Elvis for no apparent reason. Apparently Elvis is in his magical confirmed town circle. kush is practically AFK, so leaning scum here Immaterial also seems scummy. His first posts were jumping in to agree that Superbia was scum - "In light of what everyone has been saying, I'm reasonably convinced about superbia" and claims that he doesn't understand how to play. If you read his later posts, though, they don't read like a new player anymore. He seemed to gain a lot of knowledge on how to play overnight. The only two people that don't seem scummy are Bresh and Grack; nobody else is really pushing a town agenda. My order of most scummy to least scummy would be: Elvis Fecal batsnacks Lightning kush / Immaterial
I've given all of my reasoning for why I think these players are scum, and somehow that's not good enough. But, when these same players claim I'm scum and provide no reasoning at all... that's somehow acceptable? Double standards are fun.
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I feel like Bill Nye in a room full of Ken Hams. Doesn't look like I can do much here, so I'll just throw my vote back on the person I really want to vote for and hope the rest of the town catches on tomorrow.
##unvote
##vote Elvis
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On November 05 2014 05:07 Elvis! wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Serejai
The wagon seems good, but I can't leave my gut feeling with Sere at this point.
Let's get this wagon to go on him instead.
I will still start a wagon on Lightning as soon as this day ends, I promise.
We will get him lynched eventually
Calling it now; Lightning is the roleblocker on scum team and Elvis knows they can't afford to lose him.
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Why does nobody care that kush is afk?
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Are we doing a role call? I am Godfather.
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But you claimed a role that isn't even in this game.
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On November 05 2014 05:28 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 05:26 KelsierSC wrote:
btw LS I am the real detective so if you really think you have been townier than me we can try to 1v1
or if you are truly town then just resend and we can move on Sucks having to counterclaim D1. Hope we have a doctor.
We do.
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Ok, I honestly wasn't sure if you were mafia or not. I figured you were either a townie, or the mafia roleblocker and voted for you mostly because I feel Bresh is town and he wanted to lynch you.
However, that "420 blaze it baby!" part at the end of your last post immediately made me want to lynch you even if you really were the cop.
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On November 05 2014 05:38 LightningStrike wrote:
I talked to some people and they told me it was Detective= Cop plus I had played SC2 custom game Mafia before and that closest I can get role wise on the words.
I've played the SC2 mafia game, too. In fact, I'm immortalized on the official development forums for that map.
Detective and Cop in that map are two completely different roles, so there's no reason for you to think they are the same role on here.
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I still can't figure out why Lightning changed his vote like that. I understand why some of you might, but from my perspective...
I'm a townie. I was going to be lynched. If Lightning was mafia why on earth would he change his vote like that? It doesn't make any sense to me.
Maybe after I flip town one of the veteran townies can come back to this post and try to figure out why Lightning switched his vote. If he ends up being mafia then it has to be because the other two mafia are bussing him for whatever reason.
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I am Serejai, the vanilla townie. My only town read is Bresh and I apparently don't know how to convey my scum reads with writing, so the chances of me posting anything that results in a mafia lynch are slim to none. I stand by my scum list but it seems to be a waste of time trying to explain my reasoning to everyone else.
As such, I'm just going to sheep Bresh for the time being. If we're no longer going to lynch LS then you should probably all throw your votes on me. The sooner I flip town, the sooner the rest of my town brethren can go after the real scum.
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I also stated at the start of the game that I felt one of two things was true; either Elvis + Fecal were scum, or Sentinel was scum. If Sentinel ends up getting lynched and flips scum then I'd be pretty confident in removing Elvis and Fecal from my scum list.
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On November 05 2014 06:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Oh I didn't even see the claim from LS. Looking for a better wagon while taking notes lol. I think inmaterial is a good lynch
IS THIS BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAID ABOUT HIM? Please say yes.
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On November 05 2014 06:20 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 06:18 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 05 2014 06:16 LightningStrike wrote:On November 05 2014 06:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 05 2014 06:13 LightningStrike wrote:On November 05 2014 06:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Fuck. Never answered this one, did I? On November 04 2014 12:05 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 03 2014 07:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 03 2014 07:16 Superbia wrote:
Welcome to Superbia's tunneling company!
I am currently offering a lucrative one-of-a-kind tunneling contract! Signing this contract means I tunnel the utter shit out of you today, most likely resulting in your lynch.
Are you town enough to survive the tunnel? Are you mafai and feel like taking a risk? First come first serve! I'll take the contract with the extended sheeping plan. I make the most rational decisions on the way to the chopping block anyway. Also, this is my first game of mafia where I no longer have swim practice. Which means i should,be able to operate much more efficiently now! I agree with superbia in saying that a good town wouldn't take this contract if he thought it was serious. Already discussed my rationale behind this. After signing up for the tunnel, he starts to talk about game setup and host-based WIFOM rather than talking about what the superbia post really means. At this point the superbia post has been beat to death and then beat some more but at the time of this post the only other comment on it was batsnacks' vote. Even after batsnacks less-than-subtly points out why the speculation is useless sentinel continues to talk about host-based wifom. How is that less than subtle? When I saw that, it was an invitation for me to explain my masterful analysis. It's not until I explain that BH wouldn't offend the RNG gods that he reconsiders yet leaves in "I stand by my practice of rigging games." Not to sound nitpicky but that seems like a trolly leave-behind to get people talking about RNG-rigging rather than the game at hand. Now let's look at his actions after the fabled tunneling professional returns. I'm going to be quoting from this postI wait for you to make an argument and see who, if anyone, sheeps it or incorporates it into their case on me. Then I can poke holes in it appropriately, and I have a list of people who are trying to sneak by under the floorboards while you attract all the attention. Well, here's the first person to incorporate super's logic in his case. Come at me, brother. Seems about right! In fact, kush's laconic vote just now seems to mark him red in my books. Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post. So elvis looks scummy for wasting town's time talking about someone he thinks is unimportant? What about wasting town's time talking about game setup information that can never be confirmed, is that scummy? It got people talking about something, which is always better than people talking about nothing. Again, as I've said before, I didn't even find Superbia's tunnel thing to be scummy until he excused himself from the thread, because that's where he leaves the thread in confusion. Then he arrived, cleared his name, etc. and the rest is history. Then this post. On November 04 2014 10:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 04 2014 06:55 Elvis! wrote:On November 04 2014 05:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
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The difference is that what Superbia did became central to our discussion. Hell, even my post about RNG-rigging could have been a similar reason to pressure vote me, although I was around to clear up the discussion while Superbia went to sleep. Well then even you say that your post was as trolly/chaotic as superbia's? A scum slip this early? We had different motivations to same effects. I was trying to work out a way to help find scum by way of setup. He was trying to find scum by setting out a trap. Neither ended up working and ended up in disorder, his more than mine. On November 04 2014 06:58 Elvis! wrote:Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post. Sooooo in what way is saying that this is an unnecesarry topic bringing the focus back to it? Especially most of my posts were in a row and people didn't even have time to write something in between? Well, here are all the posts in your filter, in order, starting with #6 and ending with #10: + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2014 11:31 Elvis! wrote:
As a note on Superbia:
His disputed post just seems so trolly, wanna see if he actually pulls through (which would be retarded as fuck - I'm not used to Superbia doing stuff that stupid), so I'll not go on the wagon yet.
If he actually does that shit, holy moly he's gon get lynched. On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post. On November 03 2014 11:33 Elvis! wrote:
If superbia doesn't pull through we'll just have wasted a fuckton of time going after someone with like 2 posts. On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:
Not wanting to sheep superbia, his post is really weird, just don't know if it's town weird or scum weird until he posts again
On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:37 KelsierSC wrote:
There are other things to discuss outside of supers post Make an example Pretty much focused on Superbia, but also note that you call it an "obviously trolly post", and also say that if Superbia does nothing then the whole discussion is a waste of time. But then why perpetuate the discussion with five more posts in a row? You're filling a quarter of a page in a game where the volume of posting is low on a player who you deem irrelevant to events. let's look at the timestamps of elvis' posts you quoted in the spoiler. November 03 2014 11:31
November 03 2014 11:32
November 03 2014 11:33
November 03 2014 11:38
November 03 2014 11:38 You're making him seem like he's trying to derail discussion multiple seperate times yet all the posts you quote are from a 7-minute period of time. Your logic only follows if people perpetuated the discussion because of elvis and, to be honest, the only person to do that is you. Did I do that? I said he's spamming up the game with something he admits isn't important. My issue isn't with him, my issue is that it was important, and that it's good that he's bringing it up but bad that he's distancing himself from it. I'd vote kush because goddamn that's a scummy vote but I still stay on LS because I refuse to believe that BH would do that, then LS would spend most of Day 1 thinking he's detective when it's not a role in the OP and not ask any questions. The host told me in a pm that Detective is a Cop but I can't prove due to rules but after I get lynched I pretty sure eh can show what he told me in the pms. When did he tell you this? Was it before or after you told us you were the detective? After but I kind fo figured beforehand. Why didn't you check beforehand? On November 05 2014 05:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Fine I will tell you my role since I going to get lynched anyway I am a Town Detective so if you lynch me oh well gl finding them without direct help. If it wasn't in the OP, how would you have known which power you had? Other than my experience in SC2 Mafia some cops are called Detectives in real life and if I was Town Watcher he would of told Town Watcher not Detective/Cop
I'm not saying you're scum... but everything you say is so wrong. As I stated earlier, Cop and Detective are two completely different roles in SC2 mafia. You claiming that you though they were the same in this game because of SC2 Mafia makes no sense at all because they are two different roles there. Why would you assume they were the same role here based on that?
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On November 05 2014 06:22 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 06:19 Serejai wrote:On November 05 2014 06:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Oh I didn't even see the claim from LS. Looking for a better wagon while taking notes lol. I think inmaterial is a good lynch IS THIS BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAID ABOUT HIM? Please say yes. No it's from my brain. I liked what you said though I looked at your filter first and then switched to inmaterial
I would be happy to start a vote on him if you want to join in. I'm really not comfortable with lynching LS at the moment, or Sentinel - and nobody else wants to lynch Elvis.
I would be ok with lynching Immaterial, though.
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