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On October 28 2014 00:41 Oatsmaster wrote: /in <3 Day 1 mislynch again? I won't let it happen. I promise | ||
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I want to play with you again | ||
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On October 28 2014 10:49 kitaman27 wrote: Cool thanks. I'll send out confirmation PMs tomorrow and the game will begin Wednesday night at 02:00 GMT (+00:00) I never know how to convert time | ||
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On October 28 2014 10:15 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm cohosting GB Another time for sure. Oh okay awesome | ||
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On October 28 2014 16:03 Misder wrote: Woah, wasn't expecting this to fill this fast lol. Just letting you all know that I'll be very busy until Thursday night. Lynch target: locked on. | ||
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On October 29 2014 00:25 Damdred wrote: Could start today... gives me more time to lynch gb HAHAHAHA damdy <3 Roll town now so we can work together ok? | ||
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On October 29 2014 04:04 Damdred wrote: i'll do my sexy wet lap dance Fixed[2] | ||
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Answer me in "hours from now" | ||
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On October 30 2014 07:35 Holyflare wrote: Thursday, Oct 30 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) from now (countdown) Oh fuck... 12am Thursday... | ||
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On October 31 2014 11:10 Holyflare wrote: so now we just listen to the opposite of this because gb is always wrong and voila gb is mafia and obi town Oh what a lie! Although I was pretty wrong last game. | ||
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On October 31 2014 11:11 Damdred wrote: GB is obviously mafia gor that first post. I am town though You're mafia for this post. | ||
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On October 31 2014 11:13 ritoky wrote: Ez mafia errywhere, seems like game already solved! GG guys kthxbai | ||
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On October 31 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote: Let's be reasonable guys. Look at the caps lock! obvi maf LOL I second this. No, really. ##Vote: jaybrundage | ||
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On October 31 2014 11:31 jrkirby wrote: I haven't played in over a year, so let's start slow. This seems like normal day one starts: random unfounded accusations (which happen by both town and mafia), people being funny and playing around. Nothig suspicious to me yet. I bet this guy is mafia. I really bet. | ||
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On October 31 2014 11:29 jaybrundage wrote: @holyflare I don't like day one because I struggle with having no concrete information. Votes for me already? I love it :D DO TELL? WHY WOULD YOU EVER VOTE FOR ME? Because caps lock. | ||
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On October 31 2014 11:35 Damdred wrote: GB, you skip over the questions posted towards you and que on that? What gives? Questions? Where? | ||
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On October 31 2014 11:39 Damdred wrote: was pointing towards the questions directed at you by the person you are voting for but you half answered them Ok I opened the wrong way. I wanted to scream YOU FACE JARAXXUS YOU FACE JARAXXUS EREDAR LORD OF THE BURNING LEGION! | ||
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On October 31 2014 11:31 jrkirby wrote: I haven't played in over a year, so let's start slow. This seems like normal day one starts: random unfounded accusations (which happen by both town and mafia), people being funny and playing around. Nothig suspicious to me yet. Ok people. I'm not kidding when I say I don't like this post. Mafia have a hard time to insert themselves into the game. Their posts, usually, show struggle to make a good entrance. In this post, this guy says the obvious and nothing more. If there is nothing suspicious and he is not willing to joke/engage into a conversation, why even bother posting? Also, saying he didn't play in a year sounds like someone trying to downgrade their play so he gets a free pass when looking suspicious. | ||
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On October 31 2014 11:58 ritoky wrote: I have located the last known picture of GB: Are you trying to say I'm ham because I'm next to HAMmer mafia? | ||
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On October 31 2014 11:58 jrkirby wrote: I'm just telling the truth. My last game was in 2013. It's on TL, you can look it up. And I'm not shying away here. I'm engaging with the thread. I don't want a free pass here. Scrutinize my play to the same standards as everyone else. You may say that now, but your entrance sounded the way I said. | ||
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On October 31 2014 12:04 Damdred wrote: scum generally lack a sense of humor and shy away from sillyness as they can be picked out for faking it its psychological. Apologizing for no reason is mainly a null trait but can be used to buddy or to slide by. So there is some logic behind it This is actually not true lol But my problem with his post was this: he didn't want to joke, clearly. So he posted something serious. But if there is nothing suspicious yet, why bother post and summarise a thread that is barely 2 pages long? So, I'm not saying he is suspicious just because he didn't joke. I'm saying he is suspicious because he was serious but brought nothing to the thread with that opening. | ||
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On October 31 2014 12:18 Circumstance wrote: I think it's jumping to conclusions a bit quickly - the game had a clearly defined starting time, so if you didn't post pretty quickly, you'd look suspicious in that you were laying low. Seems like an innocent misread. Why do you assume it's a misread instead of just a null tell? Like, it sounds like you're assuming Kirby is town. | ||
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Damn, damdy! | ||
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So, at least one town between them. | ||
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On October 31 2014 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote: the absolute most boring fluffy start of day 1 ever. Ever. Hi bby There's already information in the thread, don't be this pessimistic | ||
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On October 31 2014 12:38 VisceraEyes wrote: He literally said he wasn't going to be around until later. If this is your actual read then whatever, but I'm not going to vote him until I see some content. But he was really afk, even in the scum qt. He claimed wanderer to buy time. | ||
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On October 31 2014 12:35 Lord Tolkien wrote: lies, LIES I've seen mafia wifom this shit d1 yo, esp since this is weaker than a wisp A wisp with the correct buffs can do a lot of damage If you know what I mean | ||
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Read my filter. I pointed out things. | ||
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On October 31 2014 12:49 Damdred wrote: I'm not sure what else the context should be lian. And you give GB the credit when I ninjas him first. You jelly? | ||
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On October 31 2014 12:55 Damdred wrote: Always GB. Lian, what do you think about jrkirby and circumstance defending one another <3 | ||
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On October 31 2014 12:57 Damdred wrote: GB you can answer to It's null. It's not really defending, he is actually explaining why he thinks circumstance is levelheaded | ||
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On October 31 2014 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote: thats nothing. Huge leap there. Try harder. It's a lot for the first 2 hours. Do better. | ||
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On October 31 2014 13:09 ritoky wrote: here's the thread so far: jokes jokes jokes jokes jrkirby: I AM SRS ppl: y so srs? jokes jokes jrkirby: I AM DEFENSIVE ppl: y so defensive? jokes jokes damdred: yo, dat guy just used misread; you kno dat alignment doe? jrkirby and circumstance start cuddling think that's about it. No it's not. Read my argument on kirby's entrance better. | ||
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On October 31 2014 13:20 Holyflare wrote: all it is is gb using some mafia thing that doesn't actually work like 80% of the time and that took up multiple pages What should we talk about then? Do you prefer potato or bacon for breakfast? | ||
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On October 31 2014 13:25 jrkirby wrote: Well, this is news. I think analysing GB would probably be best, but since there's no takebacks of the vote, I'll wait a bit. to analyse him. You think I'm scum? | ||
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On October 31 2014 13:51 Oatsmaster wrote: I would analyse scum. british spelling. GB, are you scum? So, you think asking me if I'm scum is doing a better job than pointing out a bad entrance? C'mon oats. | ||
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On October 31 2014 13:55 jaybrundage wrote: Would you prefer if that person hadn't posted then? Would that be more townie? Tell me the town motivation behind coming to the thread, summarizing a thread 2 pages long, downgrading his gameplay and bringing nothing contributive. It isn't even a conversation starter. | ||
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On October 31 2014 13:55 Misder wrote: GlowingBear, did you intentionally vote in the wrong format when voting for jkirby? Uhmmm... It is in the correct format. What answer did you expect? | ||
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On October 31 2014 13:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Face it, your point was not good and you keep going on about it which makes me think that you dont have anything else to post. I dont care what kinda job you think im doing. Ok, it's not the best point, but it is the strongest so far. Propose a better discussion. This one is already saturated. | ||
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On October 31 2014 13:59 jaybrundage wrote: Wait guys I just had an idea what if Mr.Bigglesworth is actually part of Kulthazard as a third party. Who's job is to eliminate the horde cause in that case we should never give votes to the cat. As it can't help us find scum. As horde is not indicative of Mafia Alignment. I think discussing this is harmful to town. It will be just WIFOMing and we won't reach anywhere discussing this. I think we should just vote and ignore its existence until it posts an analysis. Then we can evaluate it. | ||
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On October 31 2014 14:01 Misder wrote: Ok, I'll rephrase, did you purposely not unvote jaybrundage before voting jkirby so that your vote would stay on jaybrundage? I want to make sure that I'm under the right impression that you messed up rather than there is something going on. Look at the vote thread OP. You don't have to Unvote to have your vote changed. I want to lynch you. | ||
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On October 31 2014 14:03 jaybrundage wrote: You didn't answer my question You stated if they didnt wanna joke around why would they post. I would say cause people feel obligated to post on day 1 as there is nothing else to do. As for downgrading himself. I know i am not the next prodigy mafia player, palmar incarnate. I am a just an average mafia player that enjoys the game. Who cares if someone knows they aren't great. I think people say that ts a scum tell but i never feel like scum actually use it. Second part: fair enough First part: that is not what I'm saying. He could not want to joke around. The problem is: if you want to get serious, you will probably post when you have information to give and when you want to push town agenda. His opening didn't push town agenda. You think that he could have posted just because he felt obliged to. I don't think it that way. We should shift discussion now. As I said, this topic is saturated. It has been already analysed from more than one perspective | ||
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On October 31 2014 14:20 Oatsmaster wrote: SO WHY DO YOU KEEP BRINGING IT UP? YOU BROUGHT IT UP NOT ME. WHAT THE FUCK GLOWING BEAR. I wanted you to talk about it, you didn't want. I brought it up to say that your question was useless, not to re-engage the discussion. | ||
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On October 31 2014 15:21 VisceraEyes wrote: I like HF and Misder too. HF and Misder making posts that make me think they're thinking about the game critically. I think they town. Me HF Misder and GB town. JayB maybe trying to pocket me. He might just like my vernacular, but him saying #yoloswagtownmayor in response to a one-liner townread feels.....excessive I guess. I'm sorry, I don't get your read on Misder. He is basically throwing random questions everywhere which leads to nowhere. | ||
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On October 31 2014 14:25 Holyflare wrote: misder giving me some weird feels 1. went role fishing 2. questioned gb uselessly about his vote being in an illegitimate format 3. talking about the cat repeatedly 4. wants to analyse obi specifically when he hasn't even been here when there's multiple others that are the same What changed from this? | ||
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On October 31 2014 23:15 Holyflare wrote: he answered all of them are you even reading the thread?? Not again, HF... Yes, I'm reading the thread, yes, he answered. I want you to specifically point out what on his answers/latest posts made you change your mind. Like, it just looks like you're just sheeping VE. | ||
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On October 31 2014 23:19 Holyflare wrote: we are most probably going to analyse slam so use a vote on who you actually think is scummy instead please ##Vote:Holyflare Here we go again? Do you have any idea what analyse does? Because I don't. | ||
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My push on HF was just a joke. You can see I didn't vote him on the vote thread. I have to say I find VE suspicious | ||
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On November 01 2014 01:25 Damdred wrote: I wasn't paying attention to vote thread, ok GB but any other reads you want to get out their right now VE is not playing his town meta HF is okay You have still to define your meta this game I don't like lian I don't like Kirby I don't like jay Oats has yet to define his meta this game That's all I have for now. | ||
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He is okay. I find weird that Seuss find me scum, but I may be OMGUSing | ||
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If he was mafia, he would tell us that he was going to make a case based on his reads. He would just make us think he has privileged information. | ||
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On November 01 2014 04:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi guys. So who are we lynching eh? I vote for this guy. ##Vote: risk.nuke I find that commenting on something like Bigglesworth being third party as his sole contribution before fucking off to be highly suspect. Like, he was following closely enough to mention the Cat but not enough to mention his reads on anyone? Like, I haven't done much, but people talking about me without looking at risk.nuke need to have their heads examined. YOU'RENOTTOWNYOU'RENOTTOWNYOU'RENOTTOWNYOU'RENOTTOWN | ||
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On November 01 2014 05:59 Lord Tolkien wrote: Gummybear, y u no read me I dont feel the love. After all those games we've played together. I can't read you when you only make jokes bbylicious But if you actually start playing I will be able to. I'm expecting that after the 24 hours mark, because I know you. HF, VE lacks his town aggressiveness. He is not involved with the thread. He just came by, gives brief reads and votes for nuke who only has 1 post. Lol. | ||
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On November 01 2014 06:09 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467155-devils-riddle-mafia?page=38#751 Does this change your mind gb? Nope. I said he isn't town | ||
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On November 01 2014 06:19 Holyflare wrote: Half of what you said was his town meta It makes him 50% not town And the other 50% is his town meta which he is already self-aware, so... I'm not convinced. VE tends to be more insightful as town. The post hapa quotes is an example of that. He is voting for a lurker? Yes. But the way he dies it sounds different to me. | ||
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On November 01 2014 06:34 liancourt wrote: Prolly the only serious post. Hes like slam v2 trolly with a hint of bzness. Hes just stating facts and i dont know what hes doing. Null for now Is this part of your reaction read thing? | ||
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On November 01 2014 06:59 Holyflare wrote: Love how people totally ignored what I'm writing about jay and then blatantly later will repost it later like it's their original thoughts. Also not lynching ve because of his misder read aligning with mine. Enough said on that topic. Who are you lynching, then? Also: ##Analyze: Jay | ||
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So, who's mafia? | ||
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On November 01 2014 07:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm voting for risk.nuke because I believe him to be mafia. I've even explained why I think so. He is not the only mafia in the game. Who else is? | ||
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On November 01 2014 07:52 Damdred wrote: GB where's that case you promised and your scum reads? Give me more time damdy, I just got home from work. You can start by giving your reads yourself | ||
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On November 01 2014 07:53 VisceraEyes wrote: If they're as good as your VE read you can keep them. Just sayin. OR I can give reads and keep the thread going on instead of just saying "lololol lurker is mafia because lol" | ||
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I always put "lololol" while quoting posts I find careless. Anyway, you've made a point which I think it's fair. What bothers me isn't your inactivity, VE. I just believe that you have a tendency of being more insightful when you're town. | ||
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On November 01 2014 08:16 jaybrundage wrote: Again your saying things things that are strictly untrue. I first started posting to gb about how he called out someone's first post as not saying anything and if they didn't wanna joke they shouldn't post and that didn't make sense to me. So no I was not "only" arguing about policy. Second off you never called him mafia See this WHOLE POST you never once called him mafia. In fact I voted in the thread for LT BEFORE you did!! Are you being intentionally ironic. I don't get how you can type this shit and act like your in the right. What my post says is that your saying things in your posts that are strictly untrue and your shit flinging at me. And you continue to say things that aren't true and shit fling. Alakaslam said this is normal for you as both alignments which is baffling to me. Can anyone who has played with HF comment on this stuff. As it stands I wouldn't mind if he is out day 1 lynch. That doesn't tell much about his alignment, IMO. Anyway, I always have a hard time reading HF | ||
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On November 01 2014 08:20 Damdred wrote: Sure I'm thinking you could very well be scum right now. I have a town read on hf, oats, jay right now as well as loan. misar is a scum lean OOOOOH GOD DID YOU ROLL SCUM AGAIN? | ||
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On November 01 2014 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I've given plenty of insights. The following are insights I've made in the thread: HF and Misder seem to be thinking critically about the game > town GB seems genuinely aggressive > town JayB seems to be buddying me > mafia? risk.nuke seems to be third-party hunting > mafia! That's like four more insights than like 3/4 of the players in the game! How about you define "insightful" for me if inactivity isn't your beef? Commenting on specific posts and getting more aggressive. Like, you know HF and he is always thinking critically even when he is mafia. Fanfic is an example. I would love explicit examples of how he is genuinely thinking critically. I'm okay with your read on Misder "Jay seems to be buddying me" is a read but not insightful. He could do this as both alignments. Nuke seems to be third party hunting = not insightful, as the cat isn't a lynchable player so he can't be 3p-hunting. But if you think he was 3p-hunting, Misder did the same and you didn't call him out for that. I think lian, for example, posted a lot so you can get a first impression, but you have none. Therefore, yeah, you gave insights, but you haven't been too muh insightful | ||
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On November 01 2014 08:30 jaybrundage wrote: I thought lying and shit flinging are chiefly mafia traits. GB if you have a town read on HF can you tell me why? He did some poke at misder but misder replied and that was it. Is there anything else that would make you think HF is town? Nope. As I said, I have a hard time reading him. He is null to me. | ||
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On November 01 2014 08:35 jaybrundage wrote: I would join a risk.nuke lynch. He is a coinflip and always a liability late game. Add the fact that he always lurks. And not much reason to keep him around. Also LT I don't believe I have seen you contribute yet still waiting. If he flips town I'm lynching you | ||
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I don't like day1 lurkers and this guy just came to the thread to say WOAH and gave nothing else to us. ##Unvote ##Vote: risk.nuke | ||
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On November 01 2014 08:58 risk.nuke wrote: Don't have any reads for you mate. This game started a bit to soon for my convenience, I'm packing to move on sunday and spending a lot of the time seeing my friends before I go. I've been following the thread whenever I had time. I was planning to go to bed but I'm here if anyone want to ask me stuff. Who's mafia? | ||
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On November 01 2014 09:01 ritoky wrote: oh god, i am at an impasse. policy tells me to never lynch the person who is the most active on d1 and policy tells me to lynch the first person who suggests lynching someone for being a lurker.....GB WHY ARE YOU BOTH? Because I rock. No, really, after Avogadro, I'm never letting total lurkers to live past day1 | ||
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On November 01 2014 09:03 Lord Tolkien wrote: BUT MOOOOOM, I got TLLOLOTGDTGN tonite, can't I wait till LATER to contribute? NO. GODDAMN, TOLKIEN! | ||
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On November 01 2014 09:04 risk.nuke wrote: The people who got their role pm in red. Next question. Why shouldn't you get lynched day1? | ||
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On November 01 2014 09:09 Blazinghand wrote: heh, GB, of course you disagree with RNG, you are scum-- RNG has proven it. now DIE. I'm scum with the largest filter day1. Try again BH lol | ||
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On November 01 2014 09:12 jrkirby wrote: I don't even know how you find the post count of a post. As far as I can tell, you're pullig numbers out of your ass. Trust me, he isn't. It doesn't make RNG less horrible. | ||
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BH IF YOU ARE TOWN YOU'RE MESSING THE THREAD. DISCUSSING RNG WON'T GET US ANYWHERE AND IT WON'T GENERATE CONVERSATION MORE THAN BRINGING READS TO THE THREAD. COME ON! | ||
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On November 01 2014 09:20 Blazinghand wrote: mmhmm, "rng is disrupting scumhunting", a historically common scum response to rng. Like, I know i've been kinda joking a bit, but literally the most common scum response to rng is to claim that rng is disrupting the thread somehow (rather than just calling it bad or ignoring it) This is WIFOM, BH. If we are heading away from productive discussion, it's town's duty to get it back on track. | ||
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On November 01 2014 09:35 jrkirby wrote: I guess this is fair enough to me. I have a slight town-lean read on GB, but I think RNG can be very powerful day 1. If anyone trys RNG after day one, I will want to lynch you though. So I'm going to drop my slight town read on GB and my vote on the unproductive LT in favor of the power of RNG. This is a hearthstone flavored game here. Just so everyone knows, this is a vote for RNG, not for GB in particular. BY FIRE BE PURGED. + Show Spoiler + Cause Ragnaros has a random target, yeah? ##Unvote: Lord Tolkein ##Vote: GlowingBear This guy is scum. Props to me for pointing him out so early in the game. | ||
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On November 01 2014 09:42 Circumstance wrote: So, we have GB as a call for the D1 backup, and some people seem to be jumping onboard for risk.nuke. I've read the case for lynching risk.nuke, and I'm not yet completely sold. I don't have a solid read on him yet, so can anyone give me a reason we should lynch someone else INSTEAD of risk.nuke? You can start by telling who you think is scum. | ||
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On November 01 2014 10:10 ritoky wrote: what statistics are you using for this? can we lynch this guy? like srsly. he doesn't give reads, he talked incessantly about the cat, does more nothing, now he wants rng because d1 reads suck? you haven't even tried to develop strong reads or push for information in any way. you're just looking for easy shit to talk about to appear active and involved, and when it doesn't work out you have an excuse. welcome to my scum list. Of course we can and I'm certain he is scum. | ||
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On November 01 2014 09:42 Circumstance wrote: So, we have GB as a call for the D1 backup, and some people seem to be jumping onboard for risk.nuke. I've read the case for lynching risk.nuke, and I'm not yet completely sold. I don't have a solid read on him yet, so can anyone give me a reason we should lynch someone else INSTEAD of risk.nuke? This post is also bad. | ||
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On November 01 2014 10:16 Damdred wrote: analyze jrkirby OH HERE YOU ARE! Geev reeds. | ||
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Now he thinks I'm town mean but he is okay with RNGing me? When did I get townie to his eyes? But this is unflipped association. Not good yet. I just don't think he would instantly call his scum partner town that early. But his is WIFOM. | ||
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On November 01 2014 10:47 Circumstance wrote: Do you want me to explain my schedule to you? I will if you want. As for GB's question, my current reads aren't strong enough to lay out on the table right now, and frankly, I don't know how much it matters at this stage. We've got some clear targets that are slowly beginning to get multiple votes placed on them. If we don't consolidate, we run the risk of a no-lynch, which doesn't benefit anyone. I don't WANT to lynch you right now, GB, because I'm not a fan of RNG and you keep discussions going. But before I place my vote on risk.nuke, I want to hear the argument against it, assuming there is one, to see if it holds water. It's plurality lynch. The player with most votes dies. There is no "no-lynch" | ||
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I also know for a fact that sometimes he uses this to generate discussion. But there are two problems here: 1) He came to the thread late when discussion was already generated. There is plenty of information to have reads now. So this excuse to use RNG is off 2) It rolled one of the most active and prolific player in the game, so the chance of a mislynch is very high. But he insists to use RNG. It looks like he is trying to get town off the right track, because he is insisting on a mechanic that is going to lead on a mislynches. He is not reading the game and he is not caring for the game. You can see that he refuses to talk about anything else. Who BH thinks is scum? Nobody knows. Who BH thinks is town? Nobody knows. Passivity and creating confusion. Mafia traits. BH is mafia. | ||
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Why he didn't start the RNG that time and not now? | ||
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I'm sure he is mafia. ##Vote: Blazinghand | ||
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On November 01 2014 22:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Why dont you vote the person you think is the scummiest? Do you view the lynch as something other than a device to kill scum? What kind of answer do you expect to get with the second question??? | ||
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I don't want to lynch oats nor HF today. I want to lynch one between nuke, Kirby, BH, maybe Damdred. Let's consolidate. | ||
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On November 01 2014 23:27 Oatsmaster wrote: relax, still got like 10 hours to go. Which one you prefer strongly? and which one you dont actually wanna lynch? I'd like to know which one do you prefer, first. Who is your top scumread? | ||
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My first thought was that maybe we should lynch Kirby But after reading BH's previous games I want to lynch him so much. | ||
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On November 02 2014 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote: so which one of the 4 do you not really want to lynch? Maybe not damdred but I'm okay with lynching any, really. | ||
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On November 02 2014 00:39 Damdred wrote: While I would love to lynch GB today I mean I really would love to lynch gb. I am 100% not lynching into the biggest filter on day one. GB still hasn't delivered cases like hes promised or a lot of updated reads but hes usually not spammy as scum either so possibly a d3 lynch. BH has a shot at being scum for his inactivity really, misder has a decent shot That's the only reason you want to lynch me? You know I can spam as both alignments. Why a d3 lynch and not d2? | ||
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On November 02 2014 00:45 Damdred wrote: because i hate lynching the biggest filter on d2 just like on d1 its just a bad idea generally. GB we've been over your meta a lot, you are more standoffish as scum and you are fluff make promises that you don't keep and when you do its just bad. Right now you have 2/3 scum traits right now. So if i had a gun i might shoot you but i don't. I can be lazy as town and not deliver the case I promised at the right time. I've done this a lot. Like, lol. And you've only said 1 scum trait which is actually a null tell. You made a case on why you think someone is TOWN when he isn't really getting lynched. What the hell are you doing? | ||
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On November 02 2014 00:48 Damdred wrote: and look how you responded to my initial post of reads it wasn't. WHY DO YOU THINk THIS DAMMY! IT was like you were trying to set up suspicion on me with "Did you roll scum again damdred". Thats not normaly gb,You generally try to find out reasons behind someones read. you also went with the total lurker lynch instead of trying to find the scummiest person in the thread. So overall you are leaning scum to me gb, and you very well could be a good lynch. Read my filter. I gave reasons to go for lurkers like jay gave reasons he doesn't like day1. You read him town and, me, mafia. But anyway, I'm not sticking to the lynch lurkers policy. I'm putting my reasons behind all my votes. But if you think I'm scum, why do you think BH is probably mafia too when I'm hard voting him? | ||
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On November 02 2014 01:00 Damdred wrote: I said could be due to his inactivity, its just a meta suspicion bh has to do more or less to get a firm scum read. What about those cases and reads you promised gb I'm lazy. And I was going to make a case on Kirby but now I think he is leaning town, so, meh. Who do you want to lynch day1 then, damdy? | ||
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On November 02 2014 01:04 Damdred wrote: Not sure yet i got a few hours to decide that yet, misder has a decent shot with how hes approaching things. You see, this is the problem. When you got asked to give reads, you made a giant case to say why someone is town, but regarding scumreading, you just say I look scummy for null tells and says Misder is a good shot because the way he is approaching things, but you do not spend the same energy to prove your point regarding me and him as you spent to say jay is town | ||
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On November 01 2014 08:20 Damdred wrote: Sure I'm thinking you could very well be scum right now. I have a town read on hf, oats, jay right now as well as loan. misar is a scum lean So you're saying you have no other notes other than jay? What about these others? | ||
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On November 02 2014 01:36 Damdred wrote: I could if I wanted to, i've already said why i think your scum so theres that. I thought so. ##Vote: Damdred | ||
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On November 02 2014 01:39 Damdred wrote: Your still being lazy and scummy gb, why not make a case instead of being lazzy? Trying to discredit me isn't going to work now, damdy. Anyone who reads my filter will see that I gave reads plenty of times. I even said that, by BH's meta, I thought he was scum. | ||
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1) You made a town case and no scum case. 2) You said that you actually copy pasted notes. 2.1) You could have done that before to help town, but you didn't; 2.2) You said you had to got to the computer to give better reads. Where were you typing your notes then?; 2.3) When required to post your notes of other reads, you simy said you didn't wanted to (it means you actually didn't have any other notes); 2.4) Who makes notes with quotes formats instead of just copy pasting the content of a post? 3) You suddenly shifted for Kirby who you had no reads. | ||
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On November 01 2014 22:48 Damdred wrote: Why make a post about how you don't like what I'm doing when I'm clearly not in the thread? That's cool though I'll give my reads better when I get on a comp The computer post thing. | ||
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ALL LIARS. IF YOU DON'T GET DAMDRED LYNCHED I'LL PUNCH A WALL... WITH MY HEAD. | ||
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Place your votes on Damdred Don't force me into making a huge case on him. We already have enough motives to lynch him. | ||
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On November 02 2014 02:14 jaybrundage wrote: @Damdred I don't see where anyone specifically asked you for your read on me. Can you post it I couldn't find it. Your biggest post is a post about me being town. But I know I'm town that doesn't help me. Also you seem to be saying you find GB scummy. But then you also state you don't wanna vote him cause he has the biggest filter. Considering how early we are in the game I can understand your sentiment. But the problem is that you don't present a case for someone that we can lynch TODAY! @BG You wanna switch to Damdred as i can see. What opinion do you currently have on BH as he was your last top scum read. Still scum. Not as much as Damdred. | ||
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On November 02 2014 02:22 jaybrundage wrote: I could never not accept a case freely offered. GB you gonna deliver? No. I'm lazy today AND busy. Gotta study. So please. Don't force me. | ||
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On November 02 2014 02:52 Holyflare wrote: stop using you have the highest page filter as a reason not to lynch you if you post that you can spam as both alignments btw, doesn't look that great ^^ ^^ now vote damdred. | ||
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1) he is lying about his notes so lynch all liars 2) he doesn't want to put himself in a aggressive instance which is mafia trait. I really can't understand why this can be wrong | ||
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On November 02 2014 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Ehhhh....I think whoever is Aldor Peacekeeper is mafia. Making the lynch into a majority lynch speaks of someone trying to save whoever was up for lynch when it was plurality. :/ Anyone else getting that same vibe? Yeah. | ||
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On November 02 2014 03:26 Damdred wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=39#769 Read that post gb, i put something in it so go look for scum somewhere else I've read it and you mostly don't attack the items right on the spot. | ||
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On November 02 2014 03:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Like there's now a possiblity that we don't even GET a lynch. That move doesn't feel pro-town to me. Funny that you can to the thread just to say that. Seems opportunistic to me. Also, huge coincidence that thing happening and you coming in here, right? | ||
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On November 02 2014 03:32 VisceraEyes wrote: What are you saying? Do you think I'm mafia? I think you're not town. | ||
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On November 02 2014 03:33 Holyflare wrote: damd has claimed aldor so i have no idea what you are trying to say with your last line there and what ve is saying makes sense and damd is your like 100% scum read so wtf dude I didn't see he claiming o.O | ||
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On November 02 2014 03:31 Damdred wrote: Sure, i'm up for lynch and in a 9 hour time frame I doubt I could put out enough content especially when a lot of the other people who look scummy to me are somewhat policy lynches in the case of miser, GB shouldn't be lynched today due to the fact of the biggest filter though still hasn't done anything they promised so theres that, and i'm trying to bounce ideas about jrkirby to get feedback while i'm writing my case. So I really don't want to die as a power role i doubt i get nk'd because i'm a horrible towny, so its just lynch i have to avoid. He is already predicting he is not going to be the night kill. Damdred, why did you use your power? | ||
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On November 02 2014 03:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't see how him not pasting his notes matters. I just don't see any of the things that he's done as coming from an exclusively scum mindset. I'd press for more spotlight and stuff but I'm still not entirely sure what's going on with this push. I'm perfectly willing to let things play out for now because I have work in like 30 minutes and we have plenty of time to talk regardless. You really can't understand what is scummy about him lying? | ||
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On November 02 2014 03:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't understand why scum would tell such an easily verifiable lie. But do you understand why a town would lie about having notes instead of just saying he was answering a question? He slipped. He wasn't invested into finding scum. That's all. | ||
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On November 02 2014 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Ehhh....like, I don't like that you redacted the JayB notes out because that was going to be what I used to determine whether the notes are fabricated or not. It's in a spoiler, why would you redact something out of them? UUUUGGGHHHHHHHHHH ^ this. I'm killing damdred. See you guys in 25 hours. | ||
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On November 02 2014 04:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't know how you jump from "lying about notes" to "not scumhunting." That is a fairly remarkable leap. ... 2 separate things. 1) he is lying, BOOM 2) he post an analysis why someone is town but couldn't analyse why someone is scum, so... Not scum hunting BOOM | ||
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On November 02 2014 04:05 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm really tired of you scumreading me while agreeing with posts I make. I may kill you in the night. That is all. Well, I didn't realise damdred was claiming at that time and I may be wrong on you. Whatever, kill the guy who is finding scum. That's very good. | ||
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On November 02 2014 06:34 Alakaslam wrote: You said you were going to be gone, what are you doing here I was gone for a moment. I'm back now. Hi. | ||
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On November 02 2014 06:36 Alakaslam wrote: You said like 25 hours whaaaaaaaaaaaat is thisssssssssss Well, I couldn't be away anymore Am I scum for that? | ||
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Mmmmmmmkay. | ||
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Lynch GlowingBear. | ||
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On November 02 2014 07:20 Damdred wrote: Every time he has been scum that i've seen (if you can point me to a game woudl be cool) where all he did was make excuses post during certain time periods and never actually commented on anything. So give me a game to look at so i can have a better rounded opinon then Like this game. | ||
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Then read noir and tell me if it doesn't looks different. | ||
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On November 02 2014 07:29 Holyflare wrote: hogwarts is completely different to this game as bh was like afk the entirety of the first 2 days I think his writing style is similar. | ||
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On November 02 2014 07:39 Holyflare wrote: who? You. | ||
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On November 02 2014 07:40 Holyflare wrote: i just said his notes aligned with what i'm thinking and my list so no shit i'd defend him if i think he's towny? That makes him town, I suppose. Scum can't have similar reads to townies, right? | ||
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On November 02 2014 07:42 Holyflare wrote: have you got short term memory loss? i defended lian and robik from your crappy anti-town reads last game and was correct and pushed for all the mafia and also did the same thing in fantasy 1 where i defended lian and damd and was correct and pushed for all the mafia Well, this is not the game here, so that doesn't help me. Anyway, you can continue arguing with BH. | ||
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On November 02 2014 07:44 Holyflare wrote: like the only reason you pushed damdred is that he didn't have his notes and he's 100% scum for it (much like bh, ve etc etc) and now he has his notes and i'm "hard defending" someone you shouldn't even be scum reading anymore like wtf? He had no scumreads. He put more effort to say why someone is town than to say why someone is mafia. When asked to make a list, he delays it for a lot of time, then comes back with notes with little content in them, drastically contrasting with his read on jay, which was much more in depth and which he says he just copy pasted. No post was quoted on his notes, just links. Why the jay read is so drastically different from every other? (Regarding writing style). He doesn't have a strong scumread HF, and you lynched bats for that. It makes me baffled that you didn't call damdred for that for so long. You have him time to write the list, HF. You know he could be writing them since I inquired damdred. Yet, when he had you his list; you were completely ok with that. | ||
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I'm saying he started tunnelling me after he RNG. He has no other reason to think I'm mafia but he tries everything to paint me red. Just because I was RNGd | ||
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On November 02 2014 09:53 Lord Tolkien wrote: Aha, but you forget. + Show Spoiler + I find this tunneling on me cute jay. What I don't find cute is this whole GB train going. Ugh, I'm still reading GB as town despite being horrendous this game. No, you aren't being passive this game but good god, really? Nein, neeeeein. Yeah, I'm being horrendous. I should be shifting the thread with catch up reads like BH. Or spamming jokes. Or hiding lists. Or simply lurking. Yeah. Worst town player. RNG is god. Actually, we should RNG every single day. We could make programs that can play by themselves by just RNGing. Totes fun. | ||
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I will sleep now and step up tomorrow if I find the energy to do so. | ||
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We will go to day2 without having any reliable information regarding them. I refuse to let this game turn into Avogadro 2. Seriously. | ||
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On November 03 2014 02:43 Damdred wrote: What in the world? Why circumstance? Why change off me? Why ignore everything that's been said I even wrote a case to ask me about missed? GB missed, is a policy lynch almost he's a lurker, did seem to fish some but nothing new to go on for me so idk what you want on that no new info to shape reads. So you don't think circumstance might be scum? | ||
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A quick skim through his filter will show that he is the most passive player on the thread. Who is his top scum read? Nobody knows. Who does he think is town? Nobody knows. Not only he refuses to point fingers of suspicion, he also doesn't try to push the thread forward. He did it once. Just once. With oats. But it was still wishy washy. This is solely my case on him. I'll analyse his passivity post by post now, and bring minor arguments on him. Just click on spoiler: + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2014 12:01 Circumstance wrote: First game on TL, using TL's systems, thank God I'm town, makes things a lot easier. (Question: If someone votes in the separate thread, is that vote binding for the day?) Bad entrance. Downgrades his play (hi guys, I'm new on TL) and forced town claim (I'm town lololol makes things easier(?)). Doesn't look like a natural town writing style to me. As I said before, scum has a hard time trying to put himself in the game. Their writing style is mostly forced. On October 31 2014 12:18 Circumstance wrote: I think it's jumping to conclusions a bit quickly - the game had a clearly defined starting time, so if you didn't post pretty quickly, you'd look suspicious in that you were laying low. Seems like an innocent misread. You see, he doesn't compromises himself here in any position. He says people seems forced to post and that was an null tell from Kirby, BUT he also thinks that my push on him is also null. An innocent misread. So both of us were null at that time. I don't believe this. In a jokey atmosphere, when someone does what I did, there is clearly a motivation behind it. Which means 1) I'm town trying to bring serious discussion to the topic 2) I'm town having a scumread 3) I'm scum trying to look townie 4) I'm scum trying to pick on a bad post from town. That's what you can understand from my post. There is no space for "innocent misread". On October 31 2014 12:23 Circumstance wrote: Because I'm not ready to call out potential scum this early in, and the subject matter is pretty innocuous. Plus, I've dealt with a fair number of games where someone from town made these kind of quick claims that did not always pan out. Translation: I don't want to bring attention. On October 31 2014 12:51 Circumstance wrote: Just making things clear - if you didn't read portions of the thread, then what makes you say it's all fluff? "Just making things clear" = I'm not calling you scum for that, I just want clarification. Please don't be angry at me. On October 31 2014 13:45 Circumstance wrote: But the post specifically stated a goal of eliminating the Horde, which someone (don't remember who) suggested would be the Mafia. So what I'm wondering is, was Mr. Bigglesworth a sort of game event, or is there a Kel'Thuzad role? Useless WIFOM. Disconnected conclusions. "Horde may be mafia, therefore... IS THE CAT A SORT OF EVENT OR THERE IS A KEL THUZAD ROLE?" On October 31 2014 15:15 Circumstance wrote: I don't know enough about explanaition posts to try and write soomething super-detailed, and there isn't all too much just yet to go off of, so I'm just gonna give a brief explanation for my first formal action. The early suspicion for me is on Oats. A quick filter seems to show him being rather "floaty" - posting often enough to be seen as active, replying to discussion posts enough to be seen as involved, but not contributing to those same discussions enough to be seen as the originator of any idea. It seems like he's going out of his way not to initiate or develop any reads, not to move discussions forward, but merely to antagonize, to take existing discussions and say "this is bad, this is wrong, you don't know what you're doing". I can't tell if it's meant as a way to gain the trust of other players or something else entirely, but ATM, this doesn't feel like the way someone acts if they want the town to be moving towards any meaningful conclusion. Seuss, I understand where you're coming from on GB, but for my money, I think we might be learning more if we ##Analyze: Oatsmaster "EARLY" suspicion. Translation = "this is not going to hold water for long" Analyze Oats. Do not vote for him. NOW, THE MOST ILLUSTRATIVE POST: On November 01 2014 09:42 Circumstance wrote: So, we have GB as a call for the D1 backup, and some people seem to be jumping onboard for risk.nuke. I've read the case for lynching risk.nuke, and I'm not yet completely sold. I don't have a solid read on him yet, so can anyone give me a reason we should lynch someone else INSTEAD of risk.nuke? So, after being afk, he comes to the thread, HE IS OK WITH THE RNG LYNCH AS PLAN B, but he is NOT SOLD ON NUKE'S CASE and ASKS FOR ANOTHER ONE? Wow. He still has no scumread. He is not convinced of lynching anyone. And he does not take any stance. In this post, he is: 1) Mostly ok with lynching anyone 2) Not ready enough to sheep a case (still avoiding getting attention) 3) Never taking stances On November 01 2014 10:47 Circumstance wrote: Do you want me to explain my schedule to you? I will if you want. As for GB's question, my current reads aren't strong enough to lay out on the table right now, and frankly, I don't know how much it matters at this stage. We've got some clear targets that are slowly beginning to get multiple votes placed on them. If we don't consolidate, we run the risk of a no-lynch, which doesn't benefit anyone. I don't WANT to lynch you right now, GB, because I'm not a fan of RNG and you keep discussions going. But before I place my vote on risk.nuke, I want to hear the argument against it, assuming there is one, to see if it holds water. He doesn't want to bring attention, again. Like, lol, "my opinion isn't relevant, so I'm not giving it" lolololol. That's all. If you don't want to read everything, read the last two quotes. ##Vote: Circumstance | ||
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On November 03 2014 03:01 Damdred wrote: He could be done a few weird things but another lurker lynch. So you going to keep dodging or actually answer I'm moving off of you because I can't get you lynched today. I was completely annoyed for that and I almost gave up on this game. I can't see a world where a townie does what you did. But then I thought I should search for the other mafia. I remember Avogadro, so I decided to read the lurkers. Circumstance had a horrible filter after I analysed it. That's all. | ||
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WE NEED TO CONSOLIDATE FASTER WE CAN CHANGE TARGETS LATER AS THE THREAD PROGRESSESS BUT FOR NOW WE HAVE TO CONSOLIDATE I AM CONSIDERIG ONLY DAMDRED or CIRCUMSTANCE. PLACE YOUR VOTES. | ||
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WE NEED TO CONSOLIDATE FASTER WE CAN CHANGE TARGETS LATER AS THE THREAD PROGRESSESS BUT FOR NOW WE HAVE TO CONSOLIDATE I AM CONSIDERIG ONLY DAMDRED or CIRCUMSTANCE. PLACE YOUR VOTES. EBWOP: formatting | ||
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On November 03 2014 03:45 Damdred wrote: So are you just going after me or lurkers now GB? There's been at least 6 pages on obi, I posted a case and you ignore all of that? Yes. I think obi is mostly unreadable. But the way he posted in this thread sounds more like his town play than his scum play, IMO. But I won't ignore him. I just don't feel he should be lynched day1. I ignored your case because I think you are scum and because I almost gave up on this game. And I'm not going against lurkerS. I'm going against A lurker. If you saw the vote thread, you know I'm going against circumstance and not you just because it seems I won't get you lynched today. Anyway, have you read my case on you? | ||
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On November 03 2014 03:11 GlowingBear wrote: .: Circumstance, master of passivity A quick skim through his filter will show that he is the most passive player on the thread. Who is his top scum read? Nobody knows. Who does he think is town? Nobody knows. Not only he refuses to point fingers of suspicion, he also doesn't try to push the thread forward. He did it once. Just once. With oats. But it was still wishy washy. This is solely my case on him. I'll analyse his passivity post by post now, and bring minor arguments on him. Just click on spoiler: + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2014 12:01 Circumstance wrote: First game on TL, using TL's systems, thank God I'm town, makes things a lot easier. (Question: If someone votes in the separate thread, is that vote binding for the day?) Bad entrance. Downgrades his play (hi guys, I'm new on TL) and forced town claim (I'm town lololol makes things easier(?)). Doesn't look like a natural town writing style to me. As I said before, scum has a hard time trying to put himself in the game. Their writing style is mostly forced. On October 31 2014 12:18 Circumstance wrote: I think it's jumping to conclusions a bit quickly - the game had a clearly defined starting time, so if you didn't post pretty quickly, you'd look suspicious in that you were laying low. Seems like an innocent misread. You see, he doesn't compromises himself here in any position. He says people seems forced to post and that was an null tell from Kirby, BUT he also thinks that my push on him is also null. An innocent misread. So both of us were null at that time. I don't believe this. In a jokey atmosphere, when someone does what I did, there is clearly a motivation behind it. Which means 1) I'm town trying to bring serious discussion to the topic 2) I'm town having a scumread 3) I'm scum trying to look townie 4) I'm scum trying to pick on a bad post from town. That's what you can understand from my post. There is no space for "innocent misread". On October 31 2014 12:23 Circumstance wrote: Because I'm not ready to call out potential scum this early in, and the subject matter is pretty innocuous. Plus, I've dealt with a fair number of games where someone from town made these kind of quick claims that did not always pan out. Translation: I don't want to bring attention. On October 31 2014 12:51 Circumstance wrote: Just making things clear - if you didn't read portions of the thread, then what makes you say it's all fluff? "Just making things clear" = I'm not calling you scum for that, I just want clarification. Please don't be angry at me. On October 31 2014 13:45 Circumstance wrote: But the post specifically stated a goal of eliminating the Horde, which someone (don't remember who) suggested would be the Mafia. So what I'm wondering is, was Mr. Bigglesworth a sort of game event, or is there a Kel'Thuzad role? Useless WIFOM. Disconnected conclusions. "Horde may be mafia, therefore... IS THE CAT A SORT OF EVENT OR THERE IS A KEL THUZAD ROLE?" On October 31 2014 15:15 Circumstance wrote: I don't know enough about explanaition posts to try and write soomething super-detailed, and there isn't all too much just yet to go off of, so I'm just gonna give a brief explanation for my first formal action. The early suspicion for me is on Oats. A quick filter seems to show him being rather "floaty" - posting often enough to be seen as active, replying to discussion posts enough to be seen as involved, but not contributing to those same discussions enough to be seen as the originator of any idea. It seems like he's going out of his way not to initiate or develop any reads, not to move discussions forward, but merely to antagonize, to take existing discussions and say "this is bad, this is wrong, you don't know what you're doing". I can't tell if it's meant as a way to gain the trust of other players or something else entirely, but ATM, this doesn't feel like the way someone acts if they want the town to be moving towards any meaningful conclusion. Seuss, I understand where you're coming from on GB, but for my money, I think we might be learning more if we ##Analyze: Oatsmaster "EARLY" suspicion. Translation = "this is not going to hold water for long" Analyze Oats. Do not vote for him. NOW, THE MOST ILLUSTRATIVE POST: On November 01 2014 09:42 Circumstance wrote: So, we have GB as a call for the D1 backup, and some people seem to be jumping onboard for risk.nuke. I've read the case for lynching risk.nuke, and I'm not yet completely sold. I don't have a solid read on him yet, so can anyone give me a reason we should lynch someone else INSTEAD of risk.nuke? So, after being afk, he comes to the thread, HE IS OK WITH THE RNG LYNCH AS PLAN B, but he is NOT SOLD ON NUKE'S CASE and ASKS FOR ANOTHER ONE? Wow. He still has no scumread. He is not convinced of lynching anyone. And he does not take any stance. In this post, he is: 1) Mostly ok with lynching anyone 2) Not ready enough to sheep a case (still avoiding getting attention) 3) Never taking stances On November 01 2014 10:47 Circumstance wrote: Do you want me to explain my schedule to you? I will if you want. As for GB's question, my current reads aren't strong enough to lay out on the table right now, and frankly, I don't know how much it matters at this stage. We've got some clear targets that are slowly beginning to get multiple votes placed on them. If we don't consolidate, we run the risk of a no-lynch, which doesn't benefit anyone. I don't WANT to lynch you right now, GB, because I'm not a fan of RNG and you keep discussions going. But before I place my vote on risk.nuke, I want to hear the argument against it, assuming there is one, to see if it holds water. He doesn't want to bring attention, again. Like, lol, "my opinion isn't relevant, so I'm not giving it" lolololol. That's all. If you don't want to read everything, read the last two quotes. ##Vote: Circumstance | ||
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On November 03 2014 04:28 Holyflare wrote: Damd the only reason i went so hard on obi is that i think he's super mafia and he was around to talk, I left shit for lt that is still unanswered. If we're killing a lurker it's risk and not circumstance You never want to kill my scumreads. Read my case | ||
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On November 03 2014 04:39 Holyflare wrote: I liked his oats post a lot His oats post is okeish, but his overall play isn't | ||
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Now. | ||
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I've just kissed the most beautiful girl I have seen. I can vote anyone today. Just tell me who. | ||
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Or circumstance. You have a joker role, LT. I'm almost sure of it. | ||
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CHECK WHEN HE WAS SCUM ON HIS LAST NEWBJE GAME. HE IS MUCH MORE CAPABLE OF BEING ANALYTICAL AND LOOK TOWNIE. | ||
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He is wasting his vote right now. | ||
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Can you guys Not want To lynch Damdred? Just how? How? | ||
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I BET it. | ||
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LYNCH CIRCUMSTANCE. OR DAMDRED. COME. ON. | ||
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On November 03 2014 09:27 ritoky wrote: i am busy with guests over, but trying to keep up loosely with the thread. don't like some of the late tagalongs onto this LT train, although I see some people defending him with 0 justification. can someone explain the justification for defending him? LT just claimed acolyte of pain....but not his power....how are we supposed to judge you if you don't say your power??????? like title of character is not rly anything without flips.... Justification: (1) He is a joker (2) Acolyte of Pain, for it's name, seems to be reasonable the the wants to be lynched. | ||
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I'm trying to lynch damdred/circumstance. If you have read Tolkien's scum games, you would see that this is not his scum meta also. He wants to be lynched. | ||
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I've brought a case on circumstance which is the SAME argument you used on batsnacks. But you're not trying to lynch him. Then, I've brought something super scummy on damdred. You give time for him to make his list and, when he delivers it, with a complete different format from the jay case, you dismiss the lynch because his list looks like yours. I really don't understand. | ||
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On November 03 2014 09:40 Seuss wrote: This looks less like joker and more like faking joker to get out of a lynch to me. He is doing stupid shit since the beginning of the game. | ||
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CASE ON CIRCUMSTANCE CASE ON CIRCUMSTANCE On November 03 2014 03:11 GlowingBear wrote: .: Circumstance, master of passivity A quick skim through his filter will show that he is the most passive player on the thread. Who is his top scum read? Nobody knows. Who does he think is town? Nobody knows. Not only he refuses to point fingers of suspicion, he also doesn't try to push the thread forward. He did it once. Just once. With oats. But it was still wishy washy. This is solely my case on him. I'll analyse his passivity post by post now, and bring minor arguments on him. Just click on spoiler: + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2014 12:01 Circumstance wrote: First game on TL, using TL's systems, thank God I'm town, makes things a lot easier. (Question: If someone votes in the separate thread, is that vote binding for the day?) Bad entrance. Downgrades his play (hi guys, I'm new on TL) and forced town claim (I'm town lololol makes things easier(?)). Doesn't look like a natural town writing style to me. As I said before, scum has a hard time trying to put himself in the game. Their writing style is mostly forced. On October 31 2014 12:18 Circumstance wrote: I think it's jumping to conclusions a bit quickly - the game had a clearly defined starting time, so if you didn't post pretty quickly, you'd look suspicious in that you were laying low. Seems like an innocent misread. You see, he doesn't compromises himself here in any position. He says people seems forced to post and that was an null tell from Kirby, BUT he also thinks that my push on him is also null. An innocent misread. So both of us were null at that time. I don't believe this. In a jokey atmosphere, when someone does what I did, there is clearly a motivation behind it. Which means 1) I'm town trying to bring serious discussion to the topic 2) I'm town having a scumread 3) I'm scum trying to look townie 4) I'm scum trying to pick on a bad post from town. That's what you can understand from my post. There is no space for "innocent misread". On October 31 2014 12:23 Circumstance wrote: Because I'm not ready to call out potential scum this early in, and the subject matter is pretty innocuous. Plus, I've dealt with a fair number of games where someone from town made these kind of quick claims that did not always pan out. Translation: I don't want to bring attention. On October 31 2014 12:51 Circumstance wrote: Just making things clear - if you didn't read portions of the thread, then what makes you say it's all fluff? "Just making things clear" = I'm not calling you scum for that, I just want clarification. Please don't be angry at me. On October 31 2014 13:45 Circumstance wrote: But the post specifically stated a goal of eliminating the Horde, which someone (don't remember who) suggested would be the Mafia. So what I'm wondering is, was Mr. Bigglesworth a sort of game event, or is there a Kel'Thuzad role? Useless WIFOM. Disconnected conclusions. "Horde may be mafia, therefore... IS THE CAT A SORT OF EVENT OR THERE IS A KEL THUZAD ROLE?" On October 31 2014 15:15 Circumstance wrote: I don't know enough about explanaition posts to try and write soomething super-detailed, and there isn't all too much just yet to go off of, so I'm just gonna give a brief explanation for my first formal action. The early suspicion for me is on Oats. A quick filter seems to show him being rather "floaty" - posting often enough to be seen as active, replying to discussion posts enough to be seen as involved, but not contributing to those same discussions enough to be seen as the originator of any idea. It seems like he's going out of his way not to initiate or develop any reads, not to move discussions forward, but merely to antagonize, to take existing discussions and say "this is bad, this is wrong, you don't know what you're doing". I can't tell if it's meant as a way to gain the trust of other players or something else entirely, but ATM, this doesn't feel like the way someone acts if they want the town to be moving towards any meaningful conclusion. Seuss, I understand where you're coming from on GB, but for my money, I think we might be learning more if we ##Analyze: Oatsmaster "EARLY" suspicion. Translation = "this is not going to hold water for long" Analyze Oats. Do not vote for him. NOW, THE MOST ILLUSTRATIVE POST: On November 01 2014 09:42 Circumstance wrote: So, we have GB as a call for the D1 backup, and some people seem to be jumping onboard for risk.nuke. I've read the case for lynching risk.nuke, and I'm not yet completely sold. I don't have a solid read on him yet, so can anyone give me a reason we should lynch someone else INSTEAD of risk.nuke? So, after being afk, he comes to the thread, HE IS OK WITH THE RNG LYNCH AS PLAN B, but he is NOT SOLD ON NUKE'S CASE and ASKS FOR ANOTHER ONE? Wow. He still has no scumread. He is not convinced of lynching anyone. And he does not take any stance. In this post, he is: 1) Mostly ok with lynching anyone 2) Not ready enough to sheep a case (still avoiding getting attention) 3) Never taking stances On November 01 2014 10:47 Circumstance wrote: Do you want me to explain my schedule to you? I will if you want. As for GB's question, my current reads aren't strong enough to lay out on the table right now, and frankly, I don't know how much it matters at this stage. We've got some clear targets that are slowly beginning to get multiple votes placed on them. If we don't consolidate, we run the risk of a no-lynch, which doesn't benefit anyone. I don't WANT to lynch you right now, GB, because I'm not a fan of RNG and you keep discussions going. But before I place my vote on risk.nuke, I want to hear the argument against it, assuming there is one, to see if it holds water. He doesn't want to bring attention, again. 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On November 03 2014 09:53 Oatsmaster wrote: There are no fucking jokers in this game or whatever you want to call them. Glowingbear, how many lynches have you pushed today really badly? It looks like you are going from one dude to another. Why dont you have multiple reads? How do you fucking know? My reads changes when the game progresses. What can I do? I'm not worried to keep reading people as town. I'm worried to catch scum. And scummiest people are Damdred and Circumstance at the moment, for me. Circumstance had very scummy behaviour + he has been lurking until now. | ||
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On November 03 2014 09:58 Holyflare wrote: this is nothing like batsnacks because batsnacks was active the entire game and still had no scum reads, circumstance actually outlined a good case on someone he thought was scummy and it's far better than the rest of the lurkers who for some reason you don't want to lynch over circumstance even though they have LESS scum reads damdred... i dunno he doesn't seem scummy he's been pushing cases and looking for things to do i don't really understand your read other than the claim thing which you changed half way through the game to something completely different and now you're back to his list and claim again You're reading circumstance as town because he brought a weak suspicion on oats that he didn't have the guts to vote for. He then has no reads and vote for the main wagon... His list thing is the scummiest thing I've seen in a mafia game. I'll get back to this told until he gets lynched. | ||
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On November 03 2014 10:06 Holyflare wrote: i didn't see the ninja vote but that's so scummy it's retarded if he's scum OH AND LT PLAYNG LIKE HE WAS PLAYING ISN'T? | ||
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On November 03 2014 10:45 Holyflare wrote: can't believe gb honestly says this is nothing like lt's scum game but doesn't even mention how it's nothing like his town game whatsoever, lt even agreed with me when i called him out on it rofl fail use or arguments to push his own bad gb agenda +++++++ You know the guy. You know he is a good player as both alignments. He clearly wants to be lynched. Anyway, lynch him and it will be proven. | ||
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On November 03 2014 10:50 Holyflare wrote: so you're sticking by the fact that the jester who is gathering votes claims jester then? Yes. Claiming jester made people think he was probably mafia trying to avoid a lynch, like Kirby. He wouldn't play like this if he didn't want to be lynched. By the way, thanks for correcting me lol. I was saying "joker" instead of "jester" | ||
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On November 03 2014 11:31 Damdred wrote: 29 minutes is not to late, i finaly got home Nonononono. Now we will lynch Tolkien because I want to know if in right. | ||
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On November 03 2014 11:33 Holyflare wrote: What the fuck is this Are you seriously mafia with all your bull shit berating me for calling lt mafia and now he claims medic and you want him lynched? This is me bored with town for not lynching obv scum. The guy just claimed acolyte of pain. It made no sense to you. Now he claimed north shire cleric and it makes sense? | ||
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On November 03 2014 11:38 Holyflare wrote: Nothing he does makes any sense but i sure as shit don't want to risk killing a medic??? Who kirby pretty much said was town He knows how to play as blue. There is no way he is medic. He will flip jester and you'll see it. Or his skill is like "if you are about to be lynched, the second most voted person will be lunched instead" Wanna bet? 2 hours of porn. | ||
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On November 03 2014 11:41 Oatsmaster wrote: thats horrible fucking play. Why are you such an asshole? I'm not an asshole. Why are you wasting your vote, then? | ||
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On November 03 2014 11:42 Lord Tolkien wrote: Who said I played blue before Gummybear? In my first newbie game, you tried to lynch lurkers, I said they could be blue, you said the correct play as blue is to act like a vanilla. | ||
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On November 03 2014 11:44 Oatsmaster wrote: So you think that jrkirby is not a legitimate target for what reason? How the fuck is you rolling your fat ass around saying "LYNCH THIS DUDE CAUSE I SAY SO" the whole fucking game not being an asshole? I've re quoted my case on circumstance three times. Have you read it? I don't think so. | ||
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On November 03 2014 11:47 Oatsmaster wrote: I mean, this is the 3rd time you are so sure about a lynch. What happened to damdred and circumstance? Are they still scum? Who knows. You clearly dont. Uhm, yes? I said repeatedly that I wanted to consolidate on one of those? | ||
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On November 03 2014 11:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Repeatedly meaning twice and you dont directly try and change peoples mind. COOL STORY GLOWINGBEAR. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? You just said I was spamming the thread asking for those guys to be lynched and now you say I didn't directly try to change people's mind? I wrote a case on circumstance, a very thoroughly case, to convince people. Tried to direct then to there. But town wants to vote obv jester. | ||
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On November 03 2014 11:57 Oatsmaster wrote: It was not a thorough case. We should vig him though. I dunno what in the world Blazinghand is doing. It's not? I've analysed him post by post lol oats I love but seriously, come on | ||
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On November 03 2014 11:58 Holyflare wrote: Gb you should probably just stop talking until the flip and if it's mafia you should follow your own advice in regards to me from last game I will. I promise. | ||
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On November 03 2014 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote: no motherfucking jesters GB. get wrecked by superior game knowledge. dun b mean | ||
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On November 04 2014 00:09 Holyflare wrote: we're lynching who i say yo Yes and you'll say circumstance. I know it. You will succumb to my case | ||
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On November 04 2014 03:13 Blazinghand wrote: I'll put the finishing touches on my GB case before end of night since although I'm not the best shot for scum to make, they might wifom themselves into shooting me because of medic saves or whatever. I want to get this out there in case I die. Any requests for reads or cases? Yes. Are you going to post the case on me after or before the British analysis? | ||
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On November 04 2014 04:12 VisceraEyes wrote: BH might be mafia for not thinking he's the best shot mafia could make. Town BH always thinks he's the best shot for scum to make. Always. OR He is getting self awared that his play in this game is bad and that he is trying to bring a case on one of the most obv town in the thread. | ||
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Let's do this! ##Vote: Damdred Oh, wait... | ||
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On November 04 2014 09:14 Holyflare wrote: Is that a joke too?? You've called him confirmed mafia all game. No it's not a joke. Look at how much effort he put in the case. And I find the case pretty good, actually. The major problem is that my gameplay changes from game to game and I feel more confident after being coached by hapa. | ||
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On November 04 2014 09:20 Holyflare wrote: He's put that effort in all game.... I've never seen he doing such a big case. Look his latest scum game. He doesn't put that effort. | ||
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Bah. No way I would get the scum team, though. I've made so many guesses and all of them were wrong | ||
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On November 12 2014 12:30 Alakaslam wrote: he had a lightning rod very powerful town martyr power. Prevents a scum kp but directs it at yourself Oh, okay. Unfortunately, I died instead of misder | ||
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On November 12 2014 12:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You were obviously town. I called you town like early day 1 before you even realized people were pushing bullshit on you. Why did you vote me over jay? No fucking way. The notes shit was too bad | ||
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On November 12 2014 12:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Holyflare tunneled the fuck out of me and not a single townie bothered to read the accusations. It was lying, supposedly. I didn't bother because it smelled bullshit. I was too busy tunnelling. | ||
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On November 12 2014 12:33 Alakaslam wrote: oh yeah I was wrong about you lol nobody is 100% + Show Spoiler + Lol you thought I was mafia? | ||
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On November 12 2014 12:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: The notes shit did not mean a thing and everybody that thought it did should feel bad for thinking it. Come on. Someone makes a town case (his only case at the moment), says he copy pasted from his notes, gets immediately called out and required to post rest of notes, refuses to do, then posts notes with a completely different format from the town case. Like lol. Anyway, I ended townreading damdred. Which got me shot | ||
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On November 12 2014 12:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It doesn't matter. It's not relevant to the game. >.> I can see mafia getting caught on lying here but I couldn't see town lying. Just that :/ | ||
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On November 12 2014 12:39 Alakaslam wrote: But yeah gb I scumread you pretty much until you died I think Lol I thought I was universally read as town :/ What made you think I was mafai? | ||
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On November 12 2014 12:39 Damdred wrote: GB you asked me to post my notes awhile after your first post after my town case was sarcasm you only asked about noted much later Yeah, I believe you damdy. But god I thought that was a lie at that moment. | ||
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On November 12 2014 12:45 Damdred wrote: GB at least 4 people had a scum lean or read on you I think but I only person who put a case together Dude. Your case on me was very good lol. I was like: "lol I'm totes scum, I have no idea how I will deny this case" | ||
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Maybe I was biased. I have to refine my townplay. I was evolving good but I lost the "how to" somewhere. All my reads were bad for the last 3/4 games | ||
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On November 12 2014 15:15 geript wrote: HF is really easy to tell as town because of the difference in how and why he pushes. I hope other people pick up on this. This is so true. | ||
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On November 12 2014 21:34 Holyflare wrote: Love how everyone is saying this but I'm 9-1 as mafia? :D Oh, I'm not saying you didn't play well HF. Mafia win was totally deserved. But after this game I think your meta was like... revealed? If you check the obs qt, although everybody had shitty guesses, almost everyone had you as scum. I guessed you as scum just after I died lol. But yeah, very well played | ||
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On November 12 2014 21:45 marvellosity wrote: it's always different in-game to outside of the game. I've benefited from the same phenomenon. Yes it is. But I posted my guess on him right after I died, so... I think I would be on the right track if I survived I'm probably gonna play one or two mafias and enter an obs spree. Observing is easier to learn because you don't have the pressure of stablishing your innocence. Then I'll return as the supreme mafia player from TL. Be warned. | ||
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On November 12 2014 21:52 justanothertownie wrote: I can't wait. Shadow someone good instead of just observing though - that's way better. Good idea. I will do that. I was already coached by some players I admire, but I'm having a hard time applying their lessons :/ | ||
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On November 12 2014 23:50 Holyflare wrote: Not particularly. Lian wasn't participating in any of the game but still commenting on things 10 hours behind and was totally different from all his town games (even damd brought this up and nobody was interested) and jay... Was calling the guy whose reads he had sheeped all game mafia while still following all of those reads and also siding with all his mafia reads to push mislynches Lol I've noticed this but didn't think it was alignment indicative | ||
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On November 13 2014 11:58 Hopeless1der wrote: RNGesus told him to. Go read his FFL1 filter for a more detailed explanation on how BH likes to spend his D1's. ROFL @ RNGesus But he had a strategy in mind, it seems. He was trying to bait something. I don't know what this something is | ||
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