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here's how it works 1. person suggests team 2. we vote on whether we like team or not 3a. if team is approved, players on team pm host saying whether or not they sabotage 3b. if the team isn't approved, go back to step 1 with the next person on the list getting a turn to suggest | ||
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what often happens is the first suggester or two teams get rejected (and this gives people an idea of who votes what) before a team is accepted. In some versions, there's a limit on how many teams can be proposed in a round to prevent things from running too long | ||
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1. Never talk about scum strategy at all. Scum have no QT. They can't talk with each other. Anyone who tries to discuss what scum should do is helping scum enormously, because one of the few advantages we have over scum is they can't coordinate. Because discussing scum strategy helps scum a ton, I will automatically assume anyone who does it is scum. 2. Generally, vote "no" more than "yes", especially to teams you're not on. This will let us see more teams and see people's votes on more teams. If you are neutral, by default you should vote "no" on any given team. | ||
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On October 14 2014 16:05 Oatsmaster wrote: So you dont care what decision he makes and therefore what decision any future leader makes. By dont care I mean you will react to the result of his decision but you wont censure the leader beforehand. Im sure that will work out for us.... Just read resistance guides. There are so many out there. ...yes? I'll react to what happens. Given Palmar's zero posts so far in the thread, I can definitely say I have no read on him. Did you expect something else? | ||
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On October 14 2014 16:40 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont expect anything. Your plan is we let the leader do whatever he wants the vote. Correct? Or is it just for day 1. "let the leader do whatever he wants the vote"...? maybe i'm having an off day here but I really don't understand what you're saying. at all. The leader does not control my vote. I control my vote. | ||
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>asks someone who isn't BH why he's voting | ||
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On October 15 2014 06:21 batsnacks wrote: I was thinking about this specifically: Why so confrontational BH? What's your opinion? Still not seeing an opinion out of you | ||
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On October 15 2014 06:25 batsnacks wrote: My opinion is that you're being unnecessarily confrontational. what's your opinion on the team? | ||
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On October 15 2014 06:34 batsnacks wrote: Please and thank you, magic words, etc. Spoon full of sugar, etc. I don't have an opinion on the team. Marv said putting him on the team is a terrible idea and palmar did it anyway. Liam is pretty cool I like the cut of his jib. That's all I got. Why did you yay them? what do you think of Palmar and Marv? | ||
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On October 15 2014 06:46 batsnacks wrote: I think Palmar either town reads or is trying to town read marv. I think marv does not town read palmar. I do not care what you think they think about each other, despite your repeated attempts to tell me what theyh think about each other. I care about what YOU think of them. Do you thinkt his is a good team? Come on, man. | ||
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this means the Oats question can be averted fairly easily, getting the entire townteam right only matters for mission 5. | ||
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On October 15 2014 19:27 marvellosity wrote: This is a good part of my read on him, yes bats has his own special charm as town, which doesn't bother me at all but does others apparently (see: Cell) oh, it bothers the heck out of me, he's an annoying dunderhead, but no way scum is such an annoying dunderhead | ||
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many sadness ow | ||
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h8 all u want m8 | ||
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>has no actual basis for this belief here's normally where I call you scum, but because of reasons, I don't actually think you're scum. I can't explain these reasons though because doing so might aid the scumteam | ||
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in any case, marv, you admit batsnacks is acting differently, yet here he is on your team, so you're going to get nayvoted, and there's no real way around it. Since I'm town, this means your team won't pass without at least 1 scum voting for it (which, if it somehow is three town, they wouldn't). Entirely possible of course, since you have batsnacks on your team, and he's probably scum; so with him and the town you could get a majority of 5. so I guess my principled refusal could be in vain. but perhaps other will see my example, and will realize the glory and valor of my cause. sometimes, man needs to rise beyond these base desires and needs, and become something divine. You see, marv, through the act of playing mafia, i become something more than I was, something more than I am. We are but worms, complex and wonderful worms, but worms nonetheless. I mean, we've got uh, you know different stuff, but when it comes down to it, what we do with this life doesn't have intrinsic meaning. we need to grant it extrinsic meaning, meaning assigned too it by the highest possible arbiter of humanty, ourselves. this is why I play mafia. I play marfia because it's fun, because I value it. And so regardless of your extreme saltiness, or perhaps batsnacks extreme saltiness (there are a couple possibilities for what's goin on here), you should rejoice in the refined and endlessly complex pleasure that comes from playing such a glorious game. By writing this paragraph, I am doing the same. | ||
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if you're both town, after you finish calling me bad post game, I'm going to point out that you're awful for not noticing that I say "I changed my mind on batsnacks" in fact, you can apologize to me then for not believing in me, yes. | ||
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<has an opinion on it anyways <calls me lazy about meta Mfw | ||
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On October 17 2014 20:33 Holyflare wrote: Well it's rather convenient to change your mind just when he's going onto a team isn't it??? Literally just finished a game where bats wasn't butt hurt at all so i find it hard to believe you have this read when he was inquisitive in fantasy and pointing out your slips and shit What game | ||
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Man the only memory I have from that game is being right on OO and OWS | ||
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On October 21 2014 03:04 batsnacks wrote: What happened here? Well, I didn't want to explain exactly why since it makes me look bad, but Oats was trying to fool scum into thinking the vote was permanently hidden. Basically, this would cause scum to not try to hide how they were voting. If he had been successful, scum would have voted without trying to WIFOM for this vote. Unfortunately, I derped and mentioned that votes will be revealed during the tallying process. Later, I realized what Oats was going for. Basically, Oats wouldn't have tried to do this as scum. Scum would... well, scum would say what I said. Trying to hide this info from scum and trap them is an unbelievably townie move. Oats is absolutely town. | ||
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On October 21 2014 03:13 marvellosity wrote: how do you know this? or are you extrapolating one conclusion from a whole variety of possibilities, which seems to be the case? Oh, come on. He was trying to hide the fact that yay/nay votes are revealed at day end. Why would anyone try to hide that? The answer is obvious. If scum think their voting is hidden, they'll vote honestly and we'll get a lot of info. It's the only possibility that makes sense, and the fact that you're doubting it honestly makes me very suspicious of you (After all, Oats is traditionally "lynchbait" and would have been a good person to blame a mission failure on)... | ||
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On October 21 2014 03:21 marvellosity wrote: he'd come into the thread as either alignment and say that dumbass You think he'd lie to his teammates as scum, faking an attempt to trick them? I don't think so. | ||
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On October 21 2014 03:26 Damdred wrote: Trying to trap someone in some way is towny right? Though i'm not sure how I feel about BH going out of his way to explain the trap to nullify it I guess yeah, i fucked up. if i get scumreaded for this, it's my fault for not being constantly vigilant. I'll do better next time. | ||
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On October 21 2014 03:28 batsnacks wrote: Okay I understand now... Oats would be town by default in a normal game because scum!BH wouldn't confidently say Oats is town, if Oats were scum. yeah, or I'm town and I correctly identified another townie. ._. | ||
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On October 21 2014 03:31 marvellosity wrote: Oats ate an apple once i saw a townie eat an apple therefore oats is a townie nice Oats acted in a way that was calculated to disrupt scum and provide town a massive advantage I once saw a townie try to do this therefore oats is townie oh wait that makes total sense, because trapping scum =/= eating an apple | ||
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because that post is like basically the same length as the explanation I gave. I can't imagine you didn't have time to say "votes will be revealed after they are tallied"... but somehow had time to write that. No, you must have been trying to help town, and now for some reason are claiming you weren't. | ||
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On October 21 2014 14:46 Oatsmaster wrote: So at least we get one confused voting day if scum don't know what they are doing. But apparently they do so meh. But it's not to trick scum into assuming that their votes won't be revealed Well, if you say so! Heh, I guess I shouldn't expect so much. I thought I had inadvertently screwed up some sicknasty plays, but it looks like we're good. | ||
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Unless you're willing to be more specific, I can't reply to that. | ||
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On October 22 2014 20:56 marvellosity wrote: like you're quite clearly not even reading the game. me/lian/bats was the successful team. You're scum and didn't sabotage | ||
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On October 23 2014 01:20 marvellosity wrote: Oh this is fun. Why did I reject Palmar's team with me in it? Plausible deniability. You'd rather be teamed with two players.who play notoriously scummy as town. Also you wanted to be able to ask this question | ||
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On October 23 2014 02:06 marvellosity wrote: liancourt plays townie as town by the looks of things. Unless you think his play looks remotely scummy. Do you? and batsnacks is really obvious town when he's town Keep it coming >"batsnacks is really obvious town when he's town" >cell mini >mfw | ||
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On October 23 2014 02:15 batsnacks wrote: Idk if that example works here. Didn't Marv think I was obvious town in cell mini? Although marv thought you were obvious town, he was the only one basically. If Marv is scum and you're town, then there's no town Marv to point out your towniness, so you're a great scapegoat | ||
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On October 23 2014 04:16 marvellosity wrote: No. bat got lynched with one vote more, and he mainly got lynched because he pissed people off. Did I even consider bats might be mafia, did I mention it as a possibility? No, because he was blatantly town. mmmhmmm. and when the sabo comes down on the mission of oats/bats/marv/onemore, the only person who won't be suspected is you. you don't even need to call bats or oats or the 4th missioner scum, that's the beauty of it, marv. it's so cunning. | ||
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On October 23 2014 04:37 liancourt wrote: Can we agree if this succeeds bh is defo scum? I don't agree! | ||
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On October 23 2014 05:26 liancourt wrote: What if i added u to my 5 man list? that would be good, but that wouldn't change my opinion on the "bh is deffo scum" statement | ||
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On October 23 2014 08:59 Alakaslam wrote: What if it doesn't go? it won't get voted in, nobody liked the team last time, not sure why we'd like it this time | ||
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On October 23 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote: I want to make a meta read on BH but I'm far too lazy to actually find a scum game of his and compare, so I'm going to make vague statements phrased as a question instead. ftfy | ||
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On October 23 2014 11:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Not interested at all. It doesn't matter who you associate yourself to, no flips so no confirmation. Normally, yes, but this isn't mafia, this is resistance. If you can't figure out why team suggestions say stuff about people or about who those people chose, then it's fair to ignore all the info. I won't make the mistake of overestimating you again. | ||
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but just me saying that doesn't mean anything unless I say that and have it risk being voted in, see? | ||
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On October 23 2014 12:06 Oatsmaster wrote: ok lets do some math. Assuming scum are not crazy and didnt sabotage the first mission even though they were in it. 3 town. 5 left. You are taking 1 town. so 3/5 are left. You will defintely take one scum. Good job BH, you just chose the team that failed the mission and it could be like almost all of us that is scum. you have successfully determined that I think marv is scum | ||
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On October 23 2014 12:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Why wouldnt marv fail the first mission? And why would he give everyone a town read? look, let's say the second mission is marv bat oats and... liancourt. and there's a fail. marv would deffo be kept on and put on a third mission. instead of saboing one mission and potentially blowing his cover, he gets to sabo two. you and bats, no offense, got no chance against marv in an argument. hell, even I don't, unless I bring my absolute A game. you know how this would go if he was scum. | ||
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On October 23 2014 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Nah, not happening. He can't fake it that long. He's said it himself. Also, this is like too complicated. The game is simple almost all the time. No failure = no scum. you're right, scum marv would never lie about his ability to fake it. It's also worth noting that marv isn't a very good scum player-- he's got a lot of scumtells, so despite being good at town he rarely fools people as scum. In this way, marv is a one-sided player. we don't have much to fear from a potential scum marv, and you have convinced me. *things in italics in this post are sarcastic | ||
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"blazinghand, I finally see what you were saying. your play and logic was so high-level i actually couldn't understand it. But I understand now" "blazinghand, you're correct. I can't believe I ever doubted you" | ||
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Here's what I've put together as a timeline of things that have happened. do not give me towncred for this. this is for me. I'm posting it here so I can use it. I'm not doing this for you, b-baka! D1 team leader order determined: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469022-the-resistance-avalon?page=2#38 palm, marv, lian, oats, bats, kels (now damd), slam, bh Palm proposes Palm/marv/liancourt: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23132559 palm's team voted down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469022-the-resistance-avalon?page=14#269 . yays: Palm, Slam, Lian. Nays: Marv, Lian, Oats, BH Marv proposes lian/marv/batsnacks: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23134495 Marv's team passes http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23140788 . yays: marv, bats, dam, palm, oats, slam. nays: BH Mission 1: Success http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23143766 D2 Liam proposes Lian/marv/bats/oats http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23144915 Lian's team rejected. Nays: Everyone but Lian. Yays: Lian http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23150269 Oats proposes the same team, lian/marv/bats/oats. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23154094 Oats' Team passes. Yays: Marv, lian, oats, bats. Nays: Palm, BH, Slam. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23165002 Mission 2: Failure with 1 Sabotage http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23167709 D3 | ||
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On October 25 2014 07:51 Blazinghand wrote: The fact that Yamato hasn't updated the op for replacements or important posts is annoying as shit. The voting thread is hard to read because there's no clear dilineators as to when days or groups start or end, and yamato seems to not really care that we understand what's going on. Which is fine. It just means I have to ahndle things. Here's what I've put together as a timeline of things that have happened. do not give me towncred for this. this is for me. I'm posting it here so I can use it. I'm not doing this for you, b-baka! D1 team leader order determined: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469022-the-resistance-avalon?page=2#38 palm, marv, lian, oats, bats, kels (now damd), slam, bh Palm proposes Palm/marv/liancourt: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23132559 palm's team voted down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469022-the-resistance-avalon?page=14#269 . yays: Palm, Slam, Lian. Nays: Bats Marv, Oats, BH Marv proposes lian/marv/batsnacks: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23134495 Marv's team passes http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23140788 . yays: marv, bats, dam, palm, oats, slam, lian. nays: BH Mission 1: Success http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23143766 D2 Liam proposes Lian/marv/bats/oats http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23144915 Lian's team rejected. Nays: Everyone but Lian. Yays: Lian http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23150269 Oats proposes the same team, lian/marv/bats/oats. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23154094 Oats' Team passes. Yays: Marv, lian, oats, bats. Nays: Palm, BH, Slam. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23165002 Mission 2: Failure with 1 Sabotage http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23167709 D3 | ||
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On October 25 2014 08:05 liancourt wrote: but of of course you suggested it. and um lets not announce how we're voting. Spies get too much info through it fine, i'm not gonna announce how i'm voting, except to say that everyone should, like me, nayvote this team | ||
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On October 25 2014 08:07 liancourt wrote: i think hf posted that before the game even began but through that logic marv must be town why | ||
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On October 25 2014 08:25 liancourt wrote: marv's team succeeded and he was first...no wait that doesn't make sense. If marv and bats were spy marv was first so he'd sabo. But since it was only bats spy he prolly thought not to sabo on the first mission to get himself a town read. If there's 2 spies on the same team they have to think whether or not to sabo or not taking into consideration of the other spy in the team. If it's a rule of thumb that when there's 2 spy on the same team that the first person sabos then marv should have sabo'd but he didn't so makes him town in my eyes. I may be misunderstanding you here, so tell me if this is correct. You're saying: If Marv and Bats were both spies, Marv would sabo and Bats wouldn't. You think Bats was the only spy, and he played the long game and held back. If there were two spies, they might run into coordination problems with saboing or not. If there are 2 spies, usually the first person sabos (as Bats said), so if they were both spies, marv would have saboed. I don't think you're wrong that in a marv + bats spy situation, bats always passes the mission. Since marv suggested the mission, he's in charge of saboing or not saboing. Where I think you're wrong is where you assume that marv always sabos when he brings along a scum bats. Admittedly, it's more likely that marv is scum and brought two townies with him (bats and oats are great choices since they're both super bad at defending), and played the long game. I think that's good evidence for marv being scum over marv + bats. But I dont' get how you come to the "therefore, bats is scum and marv isn't". Like, sure, it's kinda a risky move to bring bats with you on the first mission if you're a scum marv and bats is scum. But why does this mean that Bats is scum and not Marv? Since Marv is significantly smarter and a better player than bats, a high level strat like holding your fire on the first mission to gain towncred is something that he's more likely to do than bats. If we go with the "there's one scum" theory, which is a reasonable theory, that theory points to the expert scum-player Marv choosing two weak townies to go with him and blending in for one mission. regardless, we gotta nayvote this mission as it has both Marv and Bats | ||
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IMO Alakaslam you should bring me along. I've done a good job of pushing the conversation forward and trying to discern people's alignments in a public way. Although I haven't been perfect, and I've said things that people think are scummy, I haven't been afraid to say those things. I am not some cringing manservant of the "nay-triarchy" who will dumb down his ideas because the naytriachy says they're not allowed. If I have a reason for someone being scum, even if people think it's dumb, I'll share it. | ||
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On October 28 2014 08:34 Damdred wrote: Up to this point I really haven't tried to put myself out their to much so why should I be on a team? I want to win this game even though people have given up its still winnable and the best thing to do is to start getting thoughts out there maybe this isn't the team i should be on but its better to get thoughts out then not yeah ok but look at it this way. if you want to get a team without yourself on it, you have to correctly identify the alignments of every other player in the game (4 town, 3 scum). However, if you include yourself on a team, you only have to identify 3 townies, not 4. So if you see 4 players who are sorta-scummy and you're not sure which one of them is the 4th townie, you can just grab the other team and have a team of 4. Or just in general, it's much lower-risk. I don't see why you wouldn't want yourself on a team | ||
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On October 28 2014 08:57 liancourt wrote: I m going give out my analysis once we go through a cycle and we go full circle back to palmars team. At the moment giving that analysis seems risky. yeah unless you are like a hundo percent sure palmar is town, you shoud just post now rather than later. Palmar is captain #5 so his team gets automatically accepted if it goes to him. | ||
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On October 28 2014 09:03 liancourt wrote: Aw fux but i need to see all 8 teams this aint good.... just post your ideas dude i'm not gonna bite your head off literally | ||
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I'd like to note that the observation "people don't bring bh on teams" does not equate to "bh is scum". Rather, it equates to "people think bh is scum" which is of course not the same thing at all | ||
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On October 29 2014 03:40 batsnacks wrote: I do think you're mafia though Fair enough. I'm sure you've already explained yourself, but I'm here via phone and can't filter dive easily. Can you link me to your reasoning why I'm mafia? | ||
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Here's what I've put together as a timeline of things that have happened. do not give me towncred for this. this is for me. I'm posting it here so I can use it. I'm not doing this for you, b-baka! team leader order determined: (link) palm, marv, lian, oats, bats, kels (now damd), slam, bh D1 Palm prop: Palm/marv/liancourt: (link) palm reject: (link) . yays: Palm, Slam, Lian. Nays: Bats Marv, Oats, BH Marv prop: lian/marv/batsnacks: (link) Marv pass: (link) yays: marv, bats, dam, palm, oats, slam, lian. nays: BH Mission 1: Success (link) D2 Liam prop Lian/marv/bats/oats (link) Lian reject. (link) Nays: Everyone but Lian. Yays: Lian Oats prop lian/marv/bats/oats. (link) Oats passes. (link) Yays: Marv, lian, oats, bats. Nays: Palm, BH, Slam. Mission 2: Failure with 1 Sabotage (link) D3 Batsnacks Proposes: Bat/Marv/Slam/Palm (link) Bat team rejected. Yays: Marv and Bats. Nays: Everyone Else Damdred Prop: Damdred Marv Lian Oats (link) Damdred's Reject. Yays: Marv. Nays: Everyone Else Slam Proposes: Marv/Palm/BH/Slam (link) Slam's team Rejected. Yays: Marv. Nays: Everyone Else | ||
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But yeah was eating dinner for the past 12 hours basically. I've got a couple more hours of dinner then I'll do some analysis. Off hand my initial thoughts include "marv is probably scum due to his voting D3" and "slam is probably town given how much he's caring and how he seems visibly bothered by the low activity". Need to do a more in-depth read to formulate a team though | ||
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I'm including myself. Despite what people think of me, I'm town. I've done the right thing and people don't like my style or my attitude or whatever but honestly you guys are just afraid of the truth. I'll probably get nayvoted and this will go to Palmar, which isn't the worst thing, but at the same time I feel a need to defend myself here. Look, guys. I changed my mind a couple times on bats. I don't like Marv. I don't think Oats is autoscum for being the person added for Mission 2. All of these opinions make people think I'm scummy, but people seem to think that disagreeing with me is cause enough to call me scum. It's not, and you should all feel bad for doing this. Those of you like Oats who criticize me for copy and pasting my mission counter and adding new information to it can shove it; the fact of the matter is, that mission counter is useful for me and if you don't like it, you can ignore it. In terms of who I am including. I'm including Slam and Palm. Both of them have voted in ways that have helped town. They passed marv's team, and like me, they opposed the oats/lian team when it counted. It's still possible they're scum since marv was on the D1 team and he was scum, but scum would have no reason to oppose the Oats/Lian/Marv/Bats D2 team, so I have a strong townread. I also particularly find Slam townie. He... he got motivated. He tried to push people. He showed a sense of renewed vigour and need to inject energy into a flagging town that is consistent with town motivations. Slam is normally illegible, but by golly, this game he's trying, and I'm down for that. Palmar gets credit for the nayvote, and i'm honestly less strong on that read. I haven't sensed the usual vibes from Palmar, but Resistance is a different game. For my fourth and final member, I'm going with bats. And yes, I'm aware this is a third flip-flop on the Bats issue. I think his response to my post here: (link) is telling. I can't imagine scum would come out and be like "Your voting history is good... I don't actually know why I'm scum reading you". That's such a shit-eating answer, but it reflects where I think the town is this game. Scumreading people and not knowing why, then reflecting on it and being like "oh damn, I don't really know what I'm doing" because this game has no flips and limited info. That thought process is town. So, with that in mind: ##suggest team: Blazing "the baller" hand Palm "the other hand" ar Alakaslam A. K. A. Garthupalax, destroyer of worlds Batsnacks... the batsnacks | ||
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On November 01 2014 06:02 marvellosity wrote: why do you ask me questions that are made clear by my filter? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uIwdrcJ.gif) | ||
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On November 05 2014 02:17 Blazinghand wrote: why should I care if the team has one scum on it? I'm not asserting the team has only one scum, nor do I think this is a good scum. I'm just pointing out that Palmar's logic and reasoning skills are inferior to mine, because in the event there really was only one scum, this would be an acceptable team. It is not. | ||
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On November 03 2014 23:41 Palmar wrote: I'm ignoring my own game because I didn't get the roll I wanted fuck the rules. ##propose Palmar Lian Bats Marv Slam so this was like 36 hours ago which means we have like 12 hours left everyone's voting no, right? | ||
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On November 05 2014 14:46 Alakaslam wrote: Lurking, actually. I almost townread marv now. which would mean, i assume, scumreading bats? | ||
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I was a fool to trust him | ||
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On October 20 2014 05:56 marvellosity wrote: Obviously not us :p Still don't know if Oats is mafia, still don't know how to read him, still don't know why i'd put him on a mission at this point. I'd rather put all my efforts into figuring out Palmar+BH+Slam. Null on oats. On October 21 2014 03:19 marvellosity wrote: which would normally make Oats town by default, but i'm not sure if mafia would confidently declare other spies as townies in this game. Null on oats On October 21 2014 03:27 marvellosity wrote: What I'm saying is that in a normal game of mafia, it's highly unusual for a mafia to confidently declare another mafia town. But this is different, so I'm not sure the same applies Null on Oats On October 21 2014 03:31 marvellosity wrote: Oats ate an apple once i saw a townie eat an apple therefore oats is a townie nice disputing a townread on oats due to "traps", but still not a scumread on oats. On October 21 2014 03:57 marvellosity wrote: If we really decide Oats is the towniest, we can yay him in a future mission on this same day. I do not understand this urgency to yolo yay vote the most unreadable player on TL Mafia. noncommital on oats. calls him unreadable. shooting down a reason for townreading oats, but again not scumreading him. On October 22 2014 01:24 marvellosity wrote: Pretty tempted just to roll with it as the choice seems to have narrowed down to Oats+Slam for me. On October 22 2014 20:54 marvellosity wrote: I think BH is playing a different game to the rest of us not really sure what you're saying here about oats, but it's not a case against him. On October 24 2014 21:36 marvellosity wrote: who's mafia then, oats? On October 24 2014 22:10 marvellosity wrote: You "don't expect to make a decision for a few days"? lol Oats. lol. Activity for lian discounts him but not me? (with double the page count) Biggest load of non-committal wishy washy nonsense I saw from you in a long time. Quite a feat. interrogating oats On October 24 2014 22:12 marvellosity wrote: Absolutely no curiosity on Oats' part, who if he's town would be thinking "wow, one of these 3 guys is a spy and didn't sabotage the mission first time round, who could it be and why?" No curiosity at all. On October 24 2014 22:27 marvellosity wrote: there are things that townies do, and things that mafia do. there are mistakes that townies make, and mistakes that mafia make. You did not do what a townie does, and you made a mistake that mafia makes. It's quite simple. On October 24 2014 23:24 marvellosity wrote: Doesn't work at all because you've just shown you're not reading the thread or paying attention. Keep 'em coming, babyboy. On October 24 2014 23:28 marvellosity wrote: It's not exaggerated at all, Oats. "You don't have a mafiaread" "er, yes I clearly do" "oh yea... I guess I do, which I'd know if I paid attention to the thread in any way" what is the exaggeration? On October 24 2014 23:29 marvellosity wrote: You literally accused me of something that was blatantly false. On October 24 2014 23:37 marvellosity wrote: Right. So your only justification for saying it was "super exaggerated" was my phrase in "any way". What I said, however, is totally correct. You accused me of something that was blatantly false and verifiably false, and can be seen to be false by a basic read of the thread. here we see a buildup to direct attack on oats as marv and oats call each other scum. On October 24 2014 23:44 marvellosity wrote: marvellosity lian batsnacks Alakaslam Damdred Palmar BH Oats Final answer and here we see Marv has listed Oats has his top scumread. Most of the rest of the time after this that marv talks about oats, he just points out taht he has proven that oats is scum without describing why: On October 28 2014 19:29 marvellosity wrote: Literally explained in great detail to the thread why Oats is mafia and I have idiots like liancourt running around ignoring it. There is literally no way for town to win, don't know why you're all going through the motions. so if I had to point at what marv considers his case against Oats, it would have to be the exchange beginning here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469022-the-resistance-avalon?page=34#671 Palmar points out that the simple explanation is that Oats is scum, and the tinfoil hat explanation is that marv is scum. Marv responds to the tinfoil hat one, and oats to the simple one, saying "the game isn't that easy". Oats asks Marv about keeping cards close to the chest, then Marv asks Oats about Oats' reads. Oats says he's leaning between marv and bats based on activty and feels that discount lian. He isn't ready to make a decision yet for the next few days. Marv points out that he has double the page count of lian, and that based on activity he should be in the clear, not lian. Marv further points out that Oats isn't being curious. He's not pushing the issue, not trying to find out who's scum in the aftermath of this mission, despite the fact that, from the perspective of a town oats, one of the other 4 missioners to have non-saboed during the first mission. marv says a true town here would be inquisitive and curious, not laid-back. So oats must be scum. is this an accurate summary of that series of posts, Marv? is this why you think oats is scum? | ||
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team leader order determined: (link) palm, marv, lian, oats, bats, kels (now damd), slam, bh D1 Palm prop: Palm/marv/liancourt: (link) palm reject: (link) . yays: Palm, Slam, Lian. Nays: Bats Marv, Oats, BH Marv prop: lian/marv/batsnacks: (link) Marv pass: (link) yays: marv, bats, dam, palm, oats, slam, lian. nays: BH Mission 1: Success (link) D2 Liam prop Lian/marv/bats/oats (link) Lian reject. (link) Nays: Everyone but Lian. Yays: Lian Oats prop lian/marv/bats/oats. (link) Oats passes. (link) Yays: Marv, lian, oats, bats. Nays: Palm, BH, Slam. Mission 2: Failure with 1 Sabotage (link) D3 Batsnacks Proposes: Bat/Marv/Slam/Palm (link) Bat team rejected. Yays: Marv and Bats. Nays: Everyone Else Damdred Prop: Damdred Marv Lian Oats (link) Damdred's Reject. Yays: Marv. Nays: Everyone Else Slam Proposes: Marv/Palm/BH/Slam (link) Slam's team Rejected. Yays: Marv. Nays: Everyone Else BH Proposes: Bats/Palm/BH/Slam (link) BH passes. (link) Yays: BH, marv, slam, oats, damdred. Nays: Lian, Palmar, batsnacks Mission 3: Failure with 1 Sabotage (link) D4 Palmar Proposes: Palm/Lian/Bats/Marv/Slam (link) Palmar Rejected: (link) Yays: Slam, BH, Dam, Oats. Nays: Marv, Palmar, Lian. Bats abstains. Marv Proposes: Marv/Lian/Bats/Marv/Slam (link) | ||
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On November 06 2014 08:01 marvellosity wrote: the first mission passing was just confirmation of my read Ok. Well, Marv, I don't like how much you've told people to look things up in your filter combined with how spread out most cases are across multiple posts. I don't like the fact that you're not driving this town personally by pushing your ideas and agendas on others aggressively. And I especially don't like how you voted during D3. When I started this off, I was looking for reassons to townread you, but I don't, and I can't. You've definitely taken stances. You've definitely been in thet hread. With a bit of research, all of your ideas and reads are there, but they're not easy to find. I don't like how you've flagged this game. I wish I were stronger on this scumread-- that you were the kind of person who more likely flags as mafia, or can't hold it together for a long scumgame. But that's not the truth. I guess I'd have expected you to make it a bit easier for people to agree wtih you. You'd have done something on D3 other than literally yayvote every team and "give up" on the game. But then again, yayvoting every team because you've "given up" is pretty legit as scum. Suddenly, it's a lot easier to not get flak for yayvoting a team with scum on it, which, given that you yayvoted teams including like literally every player in the game, you almost certainly did. No, I don't trust you Marv. I can't read your emotions or your feelings about this game, or your motivation. You're foreign to me. but I can read how you've voted and how you've suggested teams, and I think you're scum who has voted in scumteams and done a really darned good job of dodging responsibility and seeming "angry" about people not reading your filter. The response to any information request becomes a refernece to you hideously long, unreadable filter. The response to any strategic voting request becomes an angry torrent of yayvotes onto literally everything. The perfect storm of "rage" to hide your intentions,t he perfect storm of incompetent voting to push your scumteams without getting any bad karma from it. Marv, you're scum. You may be the only person left playing this game with me seriously, but you're still scum and I will NEVER yayvote a team with you on it. anyone who's not marv who disagrees with me on this scumread, step forward now and let is debate and discuss. Let me open yoru eyes to the truth. Let us save this game. | ||
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instead, we go out with a whimper | ||
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Everything about this end is unsatisfying. It's not the host's fault though | ||
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On November 06 2014 18:46 marvellosity wrote: no, it's your fault for not following me like a good little doggy. ^_^ As the only SSS-Rank talented player on the town side, it was my job to solo win the game. | ||
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On November 06 2014 18:55 marvellosity wrote: and yes, Palmar, as VT I would have gone ham on you for your fucking bizarre attitude towards me from the get go. fwiw your play was so different as Merlin that even I noticed, and I wasn't even looking for Merlin. I misinterpreted your strangeness as scumminess but them's the shakes. In a sense, we had lost regardless since even if we won you were the clear merlin. especially after your D1 team suggestion | ||
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On November 07 2014 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I didn't read this game after ~2 pages into the game but idk what went "shit" in this one. Past three games were imo quite good in terms of activity and participation. I can get marv's frustration if the game was this inactive and if people played "wrong". I personally hate the Merlin role and i don't think it should be used. It's already frustrating for town in live games, i can imagine it being even more shit in forum games, especially if town plays bad or "bad". or, even worse, if Merlin unilaterally decides to post his role PM because he's tired of playing | ||
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