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Blazinghand *
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United States25551 Posts
October 13 2014 08:20 GMT
#15
/in
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Last Edited: 2014-10-13 19:46:45
October 13 2014 19:40 GMT
#22
Palmar's back is hugue

here's how it works

1. person suggests team
2. we vote on whether we like team or not
3a. if team is approved, players on team pm host saying whether or not they sabotage
3b. if the team isn't approved, go back to step 1 with the next person on the list getting a turn to suggest
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October 13 2014 21:18 GMT
#28
On October 14 2014 06:11 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 04:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Palmar's back is hugue

here's how it works

1. person suggests team
2. we vote on whether we like team or not
3a. if team is approved, players on team pm host saying whether or not they sabotage
3b. if the team isn't approved, go back to step 1 with the next person on the list getting a turn to suggest


Thanks I think I can do this


what often happens is the first suggester or two teams get rejected (and this gives people an idea of who votes what) before a team is accepted. In some versions, there's a limit on how many teams can be proposed in a round to prevent things from running too long
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October 14 2014 00:56 GMT
#35
Well, I'm excited! Resistance is nice because nobody dies.
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United States25551 Posts
October 14 2014 05:23 GMT
#43
Leaders generally always include themselves.
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United States25551 Posts
October 14 2014 06:54 GMT
#46
We're not gonna "let" palmar do anything, he makes a decision and we vote. Without giving away too much, I'm gonna say this so that there's no confusion.

1. Never talk about scum strategy at all. Scum have no QT. They can't talk with each other. Anyone who tries to discuss what scum should do is helping scum enormously, because one of the few advantages we have over scum is they can't coordinate. Because discussing scum strategy helps scum a ton, I will automatically assume anyone who does it is scum.

2. Generally, vote "no" more than "yes", especially to teams you're not on. This will let us see more teams and see people's votes on more teams. If you are neutral, by default you should vote "no" on any given team.
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United States25551 Posts
October 14 2014 07:32 GMT
#48
On October 14 2014 16:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On October 14 2014 15:54 Blazinghand wrote:
We're not gonna "let" palmar do anything, he makes a decision and we vote. Without giving away too much, I'm gonna say this so that there's no confusion.

1. Never talk about scum strategy at all. Scum have no QT. They can't talk with each other. Anyone who tries to discuss what scum should do is helping scum enormously, because one of the few advantages we have over scum is they can't coordinate. Because discussing scum strategy helps scum a ton, I will automatically assume anyone who does it is scum.

2. Generally, vote "no" more than "yes", especially to teams you're not on. This will let us see more teams and see people's votes on more teams. If you are neutral, by default you should vote "no" on any given team.

So you dont care what decision he makes and therefore what decision any future leader makes.
By dont care I mean you will react to the result of his decision but you wont censure the leader beforehand.
Im sure that will work out for us....


Just read resistance guides. There are so many out there.


...yes? I'll react to what happens. Given Palmar's zero posts so far in the thread, I can definitely say I have no read on him. Did you expect something else?
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Blazinghand *
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United States25551 Posts
October 14 2014 07:49 GMT
#50
On October 14 2014 16:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont expect anything.

Your plan is we let the leader do whatever he wants the vote. Correct?
Or is it just for day 1.


"let the leader do whatever he wants the vote"...? maybe i'm having an off day here but I really don't understand what you're saying. at all. The leader does not control my vote. I control my vote.
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Blazinghand *
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United States25551 Posts
October 14 2014 18:11 GMT
#117
I do think the default should be "no". Look, I'm not saying you shouldn't vote yes, or shouldn't allow yourself to be convinced. In fact, if everyone only voted "no" then there would be no point to voting no, because it wouldn't gain any info, right? I think that unless you have a reason to believe it's 3 townies in a team, if you're like "eugggg not sure", then you vote "no". I'm also not saying that we can't hold people accountable for "no" votes. But there will be more information if we vote no more than we vote yes. In the situation Palmer is talking about, people had legit reasons to think Dirk and Navi were town (less on Navi, but still). The fact that it's possible for a yes-vote-default system to work, doesn't mean that it's the best system. It's worth noting that Tunnel Rats eventually _did_ become a "no by default" system and we had issues where no team was passing, so I wouldn't even hold it up as an exmaple of "yes by default is good" since it wasn't yes by default. As scum I had to explicitly step in to avoid an inevitable "loss for both sides because nobody votes in a team" due to the way the rules were structures.
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Blazinghand *
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United States25551 Posts
October 14 2014 21:09 GMT
#128
works for me
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October 14 2014 21:17 GMT
#130
>sees BH vote
>asks someone who isn't BH why he's voting
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United States25551 Posts
October 14 2014 21:18 GMT
#131
what is it, batsnacks, you afraid to state your opinion before hearing other people talk?
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United States25551 Posts
October 14 2014 21:23 GMT
#134
On October 15 2014 06:21 batsnacks wrote:
I was thinking about this specifically:

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 21:40 Palmar wrote:
On October 14 2014 21:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Although we can see if there's a weird yay vote that shouldn't be there.
Men, voting patterns work both ways.

Yeah, but a yes vote is a much less neutral affair. a yes vote from someone not on the mission is always going to be a big deal.

Doesn't matter, you'll see when we get to actually voting.


Why so confrontational BH?


What's your opinion? Still not seeing an opinion out of you
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United States25551 Posts
October 14 2014 21:31 GMT
#136
On October 15 2014 06:25 batsnacks wrote:
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On October 15 2014 06:23 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 15 2014 06:21 batsnacks wrote:
I was thinking about this specifically:

On October 14 2014 21:40 Palmar wrote:
On October 14 2014 21:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Although we can see if there's a weird yay vote that shouldn't be there.
Men, voting patterns work both ways.

Yeah, but a yes vote is a much less neutral affair. a yes vote from someone not on the mission is always going to be a big deal.

Doesn't matter, you'll see when we get to actually voting.


Why so confrontational BH?


What's your opinion? Still not seeing an opinion out of you


My opinion is that you're being unnecessarily confrontational.


what's your opinion on the team?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
October 14 2014 21:38 GMT
#138
On October 15 2014 06:34 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2014 06:31 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 15 2014 06:25 batsnacks wrote:
On October 15 2014 06:23 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 15 2014 06:21 batsnacks wrote:
I was thinking about this specifically:

On October 14 2014 21:40 Palmar wrote:
On October 14 2014 21:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Although we can see if there's a weird yay vote that shouldn't be there.
Men, voting patterns work both ways.

Yeah, but a yes vote is a much less neutral affair. a yes vote from someone not on the mission is always going to be a big deal.

Doesn't matter, you'll see when we get to actually voting.


Why so confrontational BH?


What's your opinion? Still not seeing an opinion out of you


My opinion is that you're being unnecessarily confrontational.


what's your opinion on the team?


Please and thank you, magic words, etc.

Spoon full of sugar, etc.

I don't have an opinion on the team. Marv said putting him on the team is a terrible idea and palmar did it anyway. Liam is pretty cool I like the cut of his jib. That's all I got. Why did you yay them?


what do you think of Palmar and Marv?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
October 14 2014 21:52 GMT
#140
On October 15 2014 06:46 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2014 06:38 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 15 2014 06:34 batsnacks wrote:
On October 15 2014 06:31 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 15 2014 06:25 batsnacks wrote:
On October 15 2014 06:23 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 15 2014 06:21 batsnacks wrote:
I was thinking about this specifically:

On October 14 2014 21:40 Palmar wrote:
On October 14 2014 21:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Although we can see if there's a weird yay vote that shouldn't be there.
Men, voting patterns work both ways.

Yeah, but a yes vote is a much less neutral affair. a yes vote from someone not on the mission is always going to be a big deal.

Doesn't matter, you'll see when we get to actually voting.


Why so confrontational BH?


What's your opinion? Still not seeing an opinion out of you


My opinion is that you're being unnecessarily confrontational.


what's your opinion on the team?


Please and thank you, magic words, etc.

Spoon full of sugar, etc.

I don't have an opinion on the team. Marv said putting him on the team is a terrible idea and palmar did it anyway. Liam is pretty cool I like the cut of his jib. That's all I got. Why did you yay them?


what do you think of Palmar and Marv?


I think Palmar either town reads or is trying to town read marv. I think marv does not town read palmar.


I do not care what you think they think about each other, despite your repeated attempts to tell me what theyh think about each other. I care about what YOU think of them. Do you thinkt his is a good team? Come on, man.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
October 15 2014 09:34 GMT
#167
With 8 players the mission size is 3 4 4 5* 5 right

this means the Oats question can be averted fairly easily, getting the entire townteam right only matters for mission 5.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
October 15 2014 10:26 GMT
#173
I buy bats as town, he'd never be so obtuse as scum
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
October 15 2014 10:29 GMT
#175
On October 15 2014 19:27 marvellosity wrote:
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On October 15 2014 19:26 Blazinghand wrote:
I buy bats as town, he'd never be so obtuse as scum

This is a good part of my read on him, yes

bats has his own special charm as town, which doesn't bother me at all but does others apparently (see: Cell)


oh, it bothers the heck out of me, he's an annoying dunderhead, but no way scum is such an annoying dunderhead
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
October 15 2014 10:29 GMT
#176
I feel like I am at my best as a mafia player when I'm calling people town by insulting them
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Blazinghand *
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United States25551 Posts
October 15 2014 18:03 GMT
#208
cause you're all town, duh
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Blazinghand *
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United States25551 Posts
October 15 2014 18:24 GMT
#210
that or something within one or two swaps close to that. I don't really share palmar's townread on liancourt but if the team fails it will be because of liancourt. Palmar probably town, batstnacks almost certainly town.
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Blazinghand *
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United States25551 Posts
October 15 2014 18:47 GMT
#213
oh i misunderstood who was on the team herp derp
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
October 15 2014 18:48 GMT
#214
In any case, 90% of your questions are just reading comprehension issues, and I feel no need to answer them or interact with you. Although you are town, batsnacks, you are irrelevant.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
October 15 2014 18:55 GMT
#216
IT TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
October 15 2014 19:20 GMT
#219
man where am I being sarcastic? just because I misunderstood something doesn't mean basnacks doesn't ALSO have reading comphrension issues
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United States25551 Posts
October 15 2014 19:32 GMT
#221
No action related to batsnacks can help because a prerequisite for that is BS being capable and willing to help
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Blazinghand *
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October 15 2014 19:49 GMT
#223
yup
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October 15 2014 19:55 GMT
#225
don't see what there is to not understand; I think you're town, but that doesn't make you useful or good. I'll try to get you on teams, so don't worry about proving yourself to me
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October 15 2014 20:09 GMT
#227
oh how could I say know to a face like that
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October 15 2014 20:27 GMT
#230
such betray
many sadness
ow
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United States25551 Posts
October 16 2014 19:00 GMT
#265
slam has always been slam
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October 16 2014 21:35 GMT
#270
I see nothing wrong with the current pace.
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October 17 2014 07:28 GMT
#277
it's something only townies understand oats
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United States25551 Posts
October 17 2014 10:37 GMT
#281
I changed my mind on batsnacks. I was just thinking about good times I fooled town as scum, and was remembering that game where I pretended to be moving to a new house and you all bought it like suckers. Well, bats was town that game and I remembered him getting super angry and buttinjured at everything. Now he's all inquisitive and shit, this definitely isn't town bats. No way. He's deffo scum, I vote against any team on him.
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October 17 2014 10:50 GMT
#283
See, he even sounds like scum when he's trying to criticize me. Can't let this guy be on a team
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October 17 2014 10:52 GMT
#287
look ignoring me for a moment, you gotta admit batsnacks is playing different
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October 17 2014 10:55 GMT
#290
I don't get how that game having 15 players is related to this game having 15 pages
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October 17 2014 10:55 GMT
#291
or are you just saying he hasn't been antagonized enough? cause it didn't take much last time
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October 17 2014 10:59 GMT
#293
I dunno man he could have been more obtuse, you know? Like maybe he's just in general a moderately obtuse guy, and his maximum obtusity comes out when he's town (ie yelling at people like he did in cell) and when he's scum he's more reserved? this could be like an inverse Oatsmaster situation yanno
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October 17 2014 10:59 GMT
#295
man i think my logic has been pretty much impeccable this game, whatever

h8 all u want m8
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United States25551 Posts
October 17 2014 11:01 GMT
#298
>says i'm mafia
>has no actual basis for this belief

here's normally where I call you scum, but because of reasons, I don't actually think you're scum. I can't explain these reasons though because doing so might aid the scumteam
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October 17 2014 11:03 GMT
#300
damn marv can't argue with that
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October 17 2014 11:05 GMT
#302
The reason I can't argue with that is the same reason I can't add a string to an int ; logical refutations are incompatible with your cases and trying to add them together makes the thread throw type disagreement errors.
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October 17 2014 11:15 GMT
#309
i managed to wriggle out of any punishment for that though, I think I ended up playing a game during my ban because the host was like "yeah that marv dude is no good, bh u are 2 sexy 5 me"

in any case, marv, you admit batsnacks is acting differently, yet here he is on your team, so you're going to get nayvoted, and there's no real way around it. Since I'm town, this means your team won't pass without at least 1 scum voting for it (which, if it somehow is three town, they wouldn't). Entirely possible of course, since you have batsnacks on your team, and he's probably scum; so with him and the town you could get a majority of 5.

so I guess my principled refusal could be in vain. but perhaps other will see my example, and will realize the glory and valor of my cause. sometimes, man needs to rise beyond these base desires and needs, and become something divine. You see, marv, through the act of playing mafia, i become something more than I was, something more than I am. We are but worms, complex and wonderful worms, but worms nonetheless. I mean, we've got uh, you know different stuff, but when it comes down to it, what we do with this life doesn't have intrinsic meaning. we need to grant it extrinsic meaning, meaning assigned too it by the highest possible arbiter of humanty, ourselves. this is why I play mafia. I play marfia because it's fun, because I value it. And so regardless of your extreme saltiness, or perhaps batsnacks extreme saltiness (there are a couple possibilities for what's goin on here), you should rejoice in the refined and endlessly complex pleasure that comes from playing such a glorious game. By writing this paragraph, I am doing the same.
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October 17 2014 11:18 GMT
#313
what, you guys don't have fun playing mafia?
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October 17 2014 11:28 GMT
#318
ugh, the point is that he's only obtuse, he's not buttinjured. this is a shallow reflection of the true bats you nitwits. can't a guy change his mind about stuff, I even say I changed my mind

if you're both town, after you finish calling me bad post game, I'm going to point out that you're awful for not noticing that I say "I changed my mind on batsnacks"

in fact, you can apologize to me then for not believing in me, yes.
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October 17 2014 11:29 GMT
#319
actually, if you want to stay ahead of the game, you can just apologize right now, but only if you're town ok
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October 17 2014 11:29 GMT
#320
oh yeah also, brb like 30 hours, phone only from here until then
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October 17 2014 11:34 GMT
#324
<didn't read game I'm referencing
<has an opinion on it anyways
<calls me lazy about meta

Mfw
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October 17 2014 11:34 GMT
#325
On October 17 2014 20:33 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2014 20:28 Blazinghand wrote:
ugh, the point is that he's only obtuse, he's not buttinjured. this is a shallow reflection of the true bats you nitwits. can't a guy change his mind about stuff, I even say I changed my mind

if you're both town, after you finish calling me bad post game, I'm going to point out that you're awful for not noticing that I say "I changed my mind on batsnacks"

in fact, you can apologize to me then for not believing in me, yes.


Well it's rather convenient to change your mind just when he's going onto a team isn't it??? Literally just finished a game where bats wasn't butt hurt at all so i find it hard to believe you have this read when he was inquisitive in fantasy and pointing out your slips and shit


What game
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#329
Oh that game

Man the only memory I have from that game is being right on OO and OWS
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#397
oh come off it, mission 1 always fails, and most people have no idea what's going on at least until the start of mission 2.
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#402
so... what's up guys
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#427
pretty sure votes will be revealed, they're just hidden during the tallying process, like in resistance.
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#430
oh, i get it now. welp, oats is definitely town
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#463
On October 21 2014 03:04 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2014 11:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah. Well after this mission vote I will explain the benefits and drawbacks of a hidden vote.

Show nested quote +
On October 20 2014 11:01 Blazinghand wrote:
pretty sure votes will be revealed, they're just hidden during the tallying process, like in resistance.

Show nested quote +
On October 20 2014 11:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah what bh said.

Show nested quote +
On October 20 2014 12:24 Blazinghand wrote:
oh, i get it now. welp, oats is definitely town


What happened here?



Well, I didn't want to explain exactly why since it makes me look bad, but Oats was trying to fool scum into thinking the vote was permanently hidden. Basically, this would cause scum to not try to hide how they were voting. If he had been successful, scum would have voted without trying to WIFOM for this vote. Unfortunately, I derped and mentioned that votes will be revealed during the tallying process. Later, I realized what Oats was going for.

Basically, Oats wouldn't have tried to do this as scum. Scum would... well, scum would say what I said. Trying to hide this info from scum and trap them is an unbelievably townie move. Oats is absolutely town.
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#466
what, you don't get the reasoning? Oats was trying to trick/trap scum. Even if it was laughably ineffective, it was a legitimate attempt
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#468
On October 21 2014 03:13 marvellosity wrote:
how do you know this? or are you extrapolating one conclusion from a whole variety of possibilities, which seems to be the case?


Oh, come on. He was trying to hide the fact that yay/nay votes are revealed at day end. Why would anyone try to hide that? The answer is obvious. If scum think their voting is hidden, they'll vote honestly and we'll get a lot of info. It's the only possibility that makes sense, and the fact that you're doubting it honestly makes me very suspicious of you (After all, Oats is traditionally "lynchbait" and would have been a good person to blame a mission failure on)...
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#471
Dude, Oats literally tried to hide info from scum. He's obviously town. Get over yourself.
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#474
You've pointed out no holes in my logic. Oats will come into the thread and tell you that's what he was planning. The fact that you lack the intense skill, experience, mental fortitude, and general sexiness that I have doesn't make me wrong. You just have to recognize when someone's play is so far above your level you can't comprehend it.
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#476
On October 21 2014 03:21 marvellosity wrote:
he'd come into the thread as either alignment and say that dumbass


You think he'd lie to his teammates as scum, faking an attempt to trick them? I don't think so.
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#484
On October 21 2014 03:26 Damdred wrote:
Trying to trap someone in some way is towny right?

Though i'm not sure how I feel about BH going out of his way to explain the trap to nullify it I guess


yeah, i fucked up. if i get scumreaded for this, it's my fault for not being constantly vigilant. I'll do better next time.
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#486
On October 21 2014 03:28 batsnacks wrote:
Okay I understand now...

Oats would be town by default in a normal game because scum!BH wouldn't confidently say Oats is town, if Oats were scum.


yeah, or I'm town and I correctly identified another townie. ._.
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#491
On October 21 2014 03:31 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2014 03:30 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure marv, bats used a trap that was sorta like it in fantasy football mafia and he was town.

I don't think that this makes him exclusively town though but its more towny to me.

Oats ate an apple

once i saw a townie eat an apple

therefore oats is a townie

nice


Oats acted in a way that was calculated to disrupt scum and provide town a massive advantage

I once saw a townie try to do this

therefore oats is townie

oh wait that makes total sense, because trapping scum =/= eating an apple
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#526
FWIW Mission 4 is effectively easier than missions 2 and 3, since it requires 2 sabotages to fail. Pretty sure it's more likely to get 5 people with 1 or 0 scum in it than it is to get 4 people with no scum, combinatorially.
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#542
Ok Oats, let's see what you got
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#553
Oats is obviously town
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#561
I know oats is difficult to read, but this kind of tricky thing jsut strikes me as a classic town oats move
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#568
Wait, so Oats. You weren't trying to fool scum when you made this post? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469022-the-resistance-avalon?page=22#426

because that post is like basically the same length as the explanation I gave. I can't imagine you didn't have time to say "votes will be revealed after they are tallied"... but somehow had time to write that. No, you must have been trying to help town, and now for some reason are claiming you weren't.
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#571
but... why wouldn't you just say that? why say you'll explain it after the vote results? there's no answer to this other than that you're town
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#573
On October 21 2014 14:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2014 14:42 Blazinghand wrote:
but... why wouldn't you just say that? why say you'll explain it after the vote results? there's no answer to this other than that you're town

So at least we get one confused voting day if scum don't know what they are doing.

But apparently they do so meh.

But it's not to trick scum into assuming that their votes won't be revealed


Well, if you say so! Heh, I guess I shouldn't expect so much. I thought I had inadvertently screwed up some sicknasty plays, but it looks like we're good.
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#575
No, it's your turn to submit a team. Do it.

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#586
I'd prefer a team to be oats + bats + 2 new players. rather than oats + bats + marv + one new player. I've also decided lian is acceptable. nay on this team cause it's not what I want
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#588
On October 22 2014 02:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2014 01:44 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd prefer a team to be oats + bats + 2 new players. rather than oats + bats + marv + one new player. I've also decided lian is acceptable. nay on this team cause it's not what I want

That's really dumb.

Unless you're willing to be more specific, I can't reply to that.
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#597
On October 22 2014 20:56 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2014 01:44 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd prefer a team to be oats + bats + 2 new players. rather than oats + bats + marv + one new player. I've also decided lian is acceptable. nay on this team cause it's not what I want

like you're quite clearly not even reading the game.

me/lian/bats was the successful team.


You're scum and didn't sabotage
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#601
On October 23 2014 01:20 marvellosity wrote:
Oh this is fun. Why did I reject Palmar's team with me in it?


Plausible deniability. You'd rather be teamed with two players.who play notoriously scummy as town. Also you wanted to be able to ask this question
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#604
On October 23 2014 02:06 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2014 02:03 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 23 2014 01:20 marvellosity wrote:
Oh this is fun. Why did I reject Palmar's team with me in it?


Plausible deniability. You'd rather be teamed with two players.who play notoriously scummy as town. Also you wanted to be able to ask this question

liancourt plays townie as town by the looks of things. Unless you think his play looks remotely scummy. Do you?

and batsnacks is really obvious town when he's town

Keep it coming


>"batsnacks is really obvious town when he's town"
>cell mini
>mfw
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#607
On October 23 2014 02:15 batsnacks wrote:
Idk if that example works here. Didn't Marv think I was obvious town in cell mini?


Although marv thought you were obvious town, he was the only one basically. If Marv is scum and you're town, then there's no town Marv to point out your towniness, so you're a great scapegoat
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#615
On October 23 2014 04:16 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2014 02:16 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 23 2014 02:15 batsnacks wrote:
Idk if that example works here. Didn't Marv think I was obvious town in cell mini?


Although marv thought you were obvious town, he was the only one basically. If Marv is scum and you're town, then there's no town Marv to point out your towniness, so you're a great scapegoat

No. bat got lynched with one vote more, and he mainly got lynched because he pissed people off.

Did I even consider bats might be mafia, did I mention it as a possibility? No, because he was blatantly town.


mmmhmmm. and when the sabo comes down on the mission of oats/bats/marv/onemore, the only person who won't be suspected is you. you don't even need to call bats or oats or the 4th missioner scum, that's the beauty of it, marv. it's so cunning.
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#619
I changed my mind back, you're the scum
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#620
I suppose it's plausible your'e both scum, but I get the feeling you'd try to avoid having 2 scum on the D1 mission due to issues like accidentaly double sabotage.
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#622
On October 23 2014 04:37 liancourt wrote:
Can we agree if this succeeds bh is defo scum?


I don't agree!
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#624
On October 23 2014 05:26 liancourt wrote:
What if i added u to my 5 man list?


that would be good, but that wouldn't change my opinion on the "bh is deffo scum" statement
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#627
On October 23 2014 08:59 Alakaslam wrote:
What if it doesn't go?


it won't get voted in, nobody liked the team last time, not sure why we'd like it this time
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#629
Probably whoever hasn't posted since the team was suggested.
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#631
Well, first off, we don't have to accept my team. I'm only the 4th, right? On top of that, given that a bunch of you have scumreads on me, aren't you like super interested to see what team I'd pick when I gotta put my money where my mouth is? This is pretty important information for you guys.
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#632
Like, I need a chance to prove you guys my alignment, so why not give me that chance? If you really think I'm scum, then this will just provide more evidence to use against me or to find my scumbuddies, so why not let me have a bite at the apple today?
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#634
On October 23 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote:
I want to make a meta read on BH but I'm far too lazy to actually find a scum game of his and compare, so I'm going to make vague statements phrased as a question instead.


ftfy
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#636
On October 23 2014 11:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2014 10:28 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, first off, we don't have to accept my team. I'm only the 4th, right? On top of that, given that a bunch of you have scumreads on me, aren't you like super interested to see what team I'd pick when I gotta put my money where my mouth is? This is pretty important information for you guys.

Not interested at all.
It doesn't matter who you associate yourself to, no flips so no confirmation.

Normally, yes, but this isn't mafia, this is resistance. If you can't figure out why team suggestions say stuff about people or about who those people chose, then it's fair to ignore all the info. I won't make the mistake of overestimating you again.
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#638
My team would be Oats Bats Me Alakaslam

but just me saying that doesn't mean anything unless I say that and have it risk being voted in, see?
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#641
On October 23 2014 12:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
ok lets do some math.
Assuming scum are not crazy and didnt sabotage the first mission even though they were in it.

3 town.

5 left.
You are taking 1 town.
so 3/5 are left.
You will defintely take one scum.

Good job BH, you just chose the team that failed the mission and it could be like almost all of us that is scum.





you have successfully determined that I think marv is scum
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#643
On October 23 2014 12:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why wouldnt marv fail the first mission?
And why would he give everyone a town read?

look, let's say the second mission is marv bat oats and... liancourt. and there's a fail. marv would deffo be kept on and put on a third mission. instead of saboing one mission and potentially blowing his cover, he gets to sabo two. you and bats, no offense, got no chance against marv in an argument. hell, even I don't, unless I bring my absolute A game. you know how this would go if he was scum.
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#646
On October 23 2014 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2014 12:59 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 23 2014 12:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why wouldnt marv fail the first mission?
And why would he give everyone a town read?

look, let's say the second mission is marv bat oats and... liancourt. and there's a fail. marv would deffo be kept on and put on a third mission. instead of saboing one mission and potentially blowing his cover, he gets to sabo two. you and bats, no offense, got no chance against marv in an argument. hell, even I don't, unless I bring my absolute A game. you know how this would go if he was scum.

Nah, not happening. He can't fake it that long. He's said it himself.

Also, this is like too complicated. The game is simple almost all the time.
No failure = no scum.


you're right, scum marv would never lie about his ability to fake it. It's also worth noting that marv isn't a very good scum player-- he's got a lot of scumtells, so despite being good at town he rarely fools people as scum. In this way, marv is a one-sided player. we don't have much to fear from a potential scum marv, and you have convinced me.


*things in italics in this post are sarcastic
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#660
"blazinghand, you've been right all along"

"blazinghand, I finally see what you were saying. your play and logic was so high-level i actually couldn't understand it. But I understand now"

"blazinghand, you're correct. I can't believe I ever doubted you"
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#737
So marv was deffo scum playing the long game as we.see
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#748
of course i was gonna nay it, the team had marv on it and marv is a spy
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#757
The fact that Yamato hasn't updated the op for replacements or important posts is annoying as shit. The voting thread is hard to read because there's no clear dilineators as to when days or groups start or end, and yamato seems to not really care that we understand what's going on. Which is fine. It just means I have to ahndle things.

Here's what I've put together as a timeline of things that have happened. do not give me towncred for this. this is for me. I'm posting it here so I can use it. I'm not doing this for you, b-baka!



D1
team leader order determined: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469022-the-resistance-avalon?page=2#38
palm, marv, lian, oats, bats, kels (now damd), slam, bh
Palm proposes Palm/marv/liancourt: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23132559
palm's team voted down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469022-the-resistance-avalon?page=14#269 . yays: Palm, Slam, Lian. Nays: Marv, Lian, Oats, BH
Marv proposes lian/marv/batsnacks: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23134495
Marv's team passes http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23140788 . yays: marv, bats, dam, palm, oats, slam. nays: BH
Mission 1: Success http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23143766

D2
Liam proposes Lian/marv/bats/oats http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23144915
Lian's team rejected. Nays: Everyone but Lian. Yays: Lian http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23150269
Oats proposes the same team, lian/marv/bats/oats. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23154094
Oats' Team passes. Yays: Marv, lian, oats, bats. Nays: Palm, BH, Slam. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23165002
Mission 2: Failure with 1 Sabotage http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23167709

D3
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#760
EBWOP: messed up a votecount

On October 25 2014 07:51 Blazinghand wrote:
The fact that Yamato hasn't updated the op for replacements or important posts is annoying as shit. The voting thread is hard to read because there's no clear dilineators as to when days or groups start or end, and yamato seems to not really care that we understand what's going on. Which is fine. It just means I have to ahndle things.

Here's what I've put together as a timeline of things that have happened. do not give me towncred for this. this is for me. I'm posting it here so I can use it. I'm not doing this for you, b-baka!



D1
team leader order determined: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469022-the-resistance-avalon?page=2#38
palm, marv, lian, oats, bats, kels (now damd), slam, bh
Palm proposes Palm/marv/liancourt: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23132559
palm's team voted down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469022-the-resistance-avalon?page=14#269 . yays: Palm, Slam, Lian. Nays: Bats Marv, Oats, BH
Marv proposes lian/marv/batsnacks: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23134495
Marv's team passes http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23140788 . yays: marv, bats, dam, palm, oats, slam, lian. nays: BH
Mission 1: Success http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23143766

D2
Liam proposes Lian/marv/bats/oats http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23144915
Lian's team rejected. Nays: Everyone but Lian. Yays: Lian http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23150269
Oats proposes the same team, lian/marv/bats/oats. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23154094
Oats' Team passes. Yays: Marv, lian, oats, bats. Nays: Palm, BH, Slam. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23165002
Mission 2: Failure with 1 Sabotage http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23167709

D3

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#761
OK, I'm voting no to any team that includes batsnacks from now on since he tried to communicate a scum strat. seems clear enough to me. Also, his team includes marv, who is scum. Lots of reasons!
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October 24 2014 23:08 GMT
#765
On October 25 2014 08:05 liancourt wrote:
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On October 25 2014 07:54 batsnacks wrote:
And I'm yaying btw


but of of course you suggested it.

and um lets not announce how we're voting. Spies get too much info through it


fine, i'm not gonna announce how i'm voting, except to say that everyone should, like me, nayvote this team
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October 24 2014 23:08 GMT
#766
On October 25 2014 08:07 liancourt wrote:
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On October 25 2014 07:55 Blazinghand wrote:
OK, I'm voting no to any team that includes batsnacks from now on since he tried to communicate a scum strat. seems clear enough to me. Also, his team includes marv, who is scum. Lots of reasons!


i think hf posted that before the game even began but through that logic marv must be town


why
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October 24 2014 23:34 GMT
#768
On October 25 2014 08:25 liancourt wrote:
marv's team succeeded and he was first...no wait that doesn't make sense. If marv and bats were spy marv was first so he'd sabo. But since it was only bats spy he prolly thought not to sabo on the first mission to get himself a town read. If there's 2 spies on the same team they have to think whether or not to sabo or not taking into consideration of the other spy in the team. If it's a rule of thumb that when there's 2 spy on the same team that the first person sabos then marv should have sabo'd but he didn't so makes him town in my eyes.


I may be misunderstanding you here, so tell me if this is correct. You're saying:

If Marv and Bats were both spies, Marv would sabo and Bats wouldn't.
You think Bats was the only spy, and he played the long game and held back.
If there were two spies, they might run into coordination problems with saboing or not.
If there are 2 spies, usually the first person sabos (as Bats said), so if they were both spies, marv would have saboed.


I don't think you're wrong that in a marv + bats spy situation, bats always passes the mission. Since marv suggested the mission, he's in charge of saboing or not saboing. Where I think you're wrong is where you assume that marv always sabos when he brings along a scum bats. Admittedly, it's more likely that marv is scum and brought two townies with him (bats and oats are great choices since they're both super bad at defending), and played the long game. I think that's good evidence for marv being scum over marv + bats. But I dont' get how you come to the "therefore, bats is scum and marv isn't". Like, sure, it's kinda a risky move to bring bats with you on the first mission if you're a scum marv and bats is scum. But why does this mean that Bats is scum and not Marv?

Since Marv is significantly smarter and a better player than bats, a high level strat like holding your fire on the first mission to gain towncred is something that he's more likely to do than bats. If we go with the "there's one scum" theory, which is a reasonable theory, that theory points to the expert scum-player Marv choosing two weak townies to go with him and blending in for one mission.

regardless, we gotta nayvote this mission as it has both Marv and Bats
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October 25 2014 10:18 GMT
#775
dw marv just claiming scum
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October 26 2014 09:44 GMT
#789
probably some afk person
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October 26 2014 21:07 GMT
#794
Oh oops got confused. Put me down as a nay
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October 27 2014 02:59 GMT
#797
what is it with people and including marv?
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October 27 2014 20:13 GMT
#819
yeah i'm nay voting this one
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October 27 2014 23:23 GMT
#825
I'm just gonna nayvote you regardless unless you present a truly awesome team, because if you get nayvoted then *I* get to suggest a team.
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October 27 2014 23:29 GMT
#827
I'm pretty ok with Liam and Palm. interesting though Damdred that you don't try to get yourself on the team???

IMO Alakaslam you should bring me along. I've done a good job of pushing the conversation forward and trying to discern people's alignments in a public way. Although I haven't been perfect, and I've said things that people think are scummy, I haven't been afraid to say those things. I am not some cringing manservant of the "nay-triarchy" who will dumb down his ideas because the naytriachy says they're not allowed. If I have a reason for someone being scum, even if people think it's dumb, I'll share it.
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October 27 2014 23:48 GMT
#833
On October 28 2014 08:34 Damdred wrote:
Up to this point I really haven't tried to put myself out their to much so why should I be on a team? I want to win this game even though people have given up its still winnable and the best thing to do is to start getting thoughts out there maybe this isn't the team i should be on but its better to get thoughts out then not


yeah ok but look at it this way. if you want to get a team without yourself on it, you have to correctly identify the alignments of every other player in the game (4 town, 3 scum). However, if you include yourself on a team, you only have to identify 3 townies, not 4. So if you see 4 players who are sorta-scummy and you're not sure which one of them is the 4th townie, you can just grab the other team and have a team of 4. Or just in general, it's much lower-risk. I don't see why you wouldn't want yourself on a team
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October 27 2014 23:53 GMT
#836
eh, fair enough. still probably(?) not bringin you on my team when it's my turn. we'll see.
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October 27 2014 23:53 GMT
#837
last post @damdred
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October 27 2014 23:58 GMT
#839
On October 28 2014 08:57 liancourt wrote:
I m going give out my analysis once we go through a cycle and we go full circle back to palmars team. At the moment giving that analysis seems risky.


yeah unless you are like a hundo percent sure palmar is town, you shoud just post now rather than later. Palmar is captain #5 so his team gets automatically accepted if it goes to him.
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October 28 2014 00:02 GMT
#842
slam is town this game
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October 28 2014 00:04 GMT
#844
On October 28 2014 09:03 liancourt wrote:
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On October 28 2014 08:58 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 28 2014 08:57 liancourt wrote:
I m going give out my analysis once we go through a cycle and we go full circle back to palmars team. At the moment giving that analysis seems risky.


yeah unless you are like a hundo percent sure palmar is town, you shoud just post now rather than later. Palmar is captain #5 so his team gets automatically accepted if it goes to him.


Aw fux but i need to see all 8 teams this aint good....


just post your ideas dude i'm not gonna bite your head off literally
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October 28 2014 17:16 GMT
#870
or I could be town and marv is actually scum
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October 28 2014 17:54 GMT
#872
plausible, I admit.

I'd like to note that the observation "people don't bring bh on teams" does not equate to "bh is scum". Rather, it equates to "people think bh is scum" which is of course not the same thing at all
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October 28 2014 18:46 GMT
#874
On October 29 2014 03:40 batsnacks wrote:
I do think you're mafia though


Fair enough. I'm sure you've already explained yourself, but I'm here via phone and can't filter dive easily. Can you link me to your reasoning why I'm mafia?
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October 29 2014 18:38 GMT
#893
I'm still pretty sure marv is scum, and was the guy who sabotaged, so I'm nayvoting this team. I'll suggest a better team.
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October 29 2014 19:06 GMT
#895
well, I at least have demonstrated to batsnacks he has no reason to actually think I'm scum. I'm sure I can win over a few others.
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October 30 2014 04:43 GMT
#921
slam will definitely be on my team
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October 30 2014 06:35 GMT
#929
lian is scum with marv
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October 30 2014 20:23 GMT
#938
The fact that Yamato hasn't updated the op for replacements or important posts is annoying as shit. The voting thread is hard to read because there's no clear dilineators as to when days or groups start or end, and yamato seems to not really care that we understand what's going on. Which is fine. It just means I have to ahndle things.

Here's what I've put together as a timeline of things that have happened. do not give me towncred for this. this is for me. I'm posting it here so I can use it. I'm not doing this for you, b-baka!

team leader order determined: (link)
palm, marv, lian, oats, bats, kels (now damd), slam, bh


D1
Palm prop: Palm/marv/liancourt: (link)
palm reject: (link) .
      yays: Palm, Slam, Lian. Nays: Bats Marv, Oats, BH

Marv prop: lian/marv/batsnacks: (link)
Marv pass: (link)
      yays: marv, bats, dam, palm, oats, slam, lian. nays: BH

Mission 1: Success (link)


D2
Liam prop Lian/marv/bats/oats (link)
Lian reject. (link)
      Nays: Everyone but Lian. Yays: Lian

Oats prop lian/marv/bats/oats. (link)
Oats passes. (link)
      Yays: Marv, lian, oats, bats. Nays: Palm, BH, Slam.

Mission 2: Failure with 1 Sabotage (link)


D3
Batsnacks Proposes: Bat/Marv/Slam/Palm (link)
Bat team rejected.
      Yays: Marv and Bats. Nays: Everyone Else

Damdred Prop: Damdred Marv Lian Oats (link)
Damdred's Reject.
      Yays: Marv. Nays: Everyone Else

Slam Proposes: Marv/Palm/BH/Slam (link)
Slam's team Rejected.
      Yays: Marv. Nays: Everyone Else
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October 31 2014 01:05 GMT
#941
Why are you reading that post, that post is only for me.

But yeah was eating dinner for the past 12 hours basically. I've got a couple more hours of dinner then I'll do some analysis. Off hand my initial thoughts include "marv is probably scum due to his voting D3" and "slam is probably town given how much he's caring and how he seems visibly bothered by the low activity". Need to do a more in-depth read to formulate a team though
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October 31 2014 15:49 GMT
#945
so here's my basic thoughts

I'm including myself. Despite what people think of me, I'm town. I've done the right thing and people don't like my style or my attitude or whatever but honestly you guys are just afraid of the truth. I'll probably get nayvoted and this will go to Palmar, which isn't the worst thing, but at the same time I feel a need to defend myself here. Look, guys. I changed my mind a couple times on bats. I don't like Marv. I don't think Oats is autoscum for being the person added for Mission 2. All of these opinions make people think I'm scummy, but people seem to think that disagreeing with me is cause enough to call me scum. It's not, and you should all feel bad for doing this. Those of you like Oats who criticize me for copy and pasting my mission counter and adding new information to it can shove it; the fact of the matter is, that mission counter is useful for me and if you don't like it, you can ignore it.

In terms of who I am including. I'm including Slam and Palm. Both of them have voted in ways that have helped town. They passed marv's team, and like me, they opposed the oats/lian team when it counted. It's still possible they're scum since marv was on the D1 team and he was scum, but scum would have no reason to oppose the Oats/Lian/Marv/Bats D2 team, so I have a strong townread. I also particularly find Slam townie. He... he got motivated. He tried to push people. He showed a sense of renewed vigour and need to inject energy into a flagging town that is consistent with town motivations. Slam is normally illegible, but by golly, this game he's trying, and I'm down for that. Palmar gets credit for the nayvote, and i'm honestly less strong on that read. I haven't sensed the usual vibes from Palmar, but Resistance is a different game.

For my fourth and final member, I'm going with bats. And yes, I'm aware this is a third flip-flop on the Bats issue. I think his response to my post here: (link) is telling. I can't imagine scum would come out and be like "Your voting history is good... I don't actually know why I'm scum reading you". That's such a shit-eating answer, but it reflects where I think the town is this game. Scumreading people and not knowing why, then reflecting on it and being like "oh damn, I don't really know what I'm doing" because this game has no flips and limited info. That thought process is town.

So, with that in mind:

##suggest team:
Blazing "the baller" hand
Palm "the other hand" ar
Alakaslam A. K. A. Garthupalax, destroyer of worlds
Batsnacks... the batsnacks
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October 31 2014 17:38 GMT
#958
Marv you have voted yay on teams including literally every player today. You have no right to gripe
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October 31 2014 19:12 GMT
#965
So marv, you think bats is town?
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October 31 2014 20:31 GMT
#972
you know you're on this team right now palm
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October 31 2014 20:54 GMT
#974
So clearly he's not correct about people scum reading him
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October 31 2014 21:38 GMT
#993
On November 01 2014 06:02 marvellosity wrote:
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On November 01 2014 04:12 Blazinghand wrote:
So marv, you think bats is town?

why do you ask me questions that are made clear by my filter?


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November 03 2014 01:03 GMT
#1018
yeah I guess this is flip flop number 5 for me on bats.
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November 03 2014 01:35 GMT
#1020
it was perfect in the sense that it told us bats was scum, and it passed so clearly people liked it
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November 03 2014 18:11 GMT
#1057
hmm I don't like this team palm. I really don't see why there's all this trust in marv
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November 04 2014 17:17 GMT
#1064
why should I care if the team has one scum on it?
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November 04 2014 17:35 GMT
#1066
No, you're scum. so this team is bad
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November 04 2014 17:44 GMT
#1070
I'm nayvoting this team. Is that not clear?
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November 04 2014 17:45 GMT
#1071
so some context since apparently I'm not clear. Palm points out that this team mathematically has one scum on it, which is of course an inane observation, since the team will need 2 scum to fail. My response is:

On November 05 2014 02:17 Blazinghand wrote:
why should I care if the team has one scum on it?


I'm not asserting the team has only one scum, nor do I think this is a good scum. I'm just pointing out that Palmar's logic and reasoning skills are inferior to mine, because in the event there really was only one scum, this would be an acceptable team.

It is not.
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November 05 2014 01:58 GMT
#1079
On November 03 2014 23:41 Palmar wrote:
I'm ignoring my own game because I didn't get the roll I wanted



fuck the rules.
##propose
Palmar
Lian
Bats
Marv
Slam


so this was like 36 hours ago which means we have like 12 hours left

everyone's voting no, right?
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November 05 2014 06:28 GMT
#1081
On November 05 2014 14:46 Alakaslam wrote:
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On November 05 2014 10:58 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 03 2014 23:41 Palmar wrote:
I'm ignoring my own game because I didn't get the roll I wanted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L397TWLwrUU

fuck the rules.
##propose
Palmar
Lian
Bats
Marv
Slam


so this was like 36 hours ago which means we have like 12 hours left

everyone's voting no, right?

Lurking, actually.

I almost townread marv now.


which would mean, i assume, scumreading bats?
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#1087
On November 06 2014 00:47 Alakaslam wrote:
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On November 05 2014 15:28 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 05 2014 14:46 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 05 2014 10:58 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 03 2014 23:41 Palmar wrote:
I'm ignoring my own game because I didn't get the roll I wanted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L397TWLwrUU

fuck the rules.
##propose
Palmar
Lian
Bats
Marv
Slam


so this was like 36 hours ago which means we have like 12 hours left

everyone's voting no, right?

Lurking, actually.

I almost townread marv now.


which would mean, i assume, scumreading bats?

Yes I already basically did


I was a fool to trust him
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#1091
I think we have a good chance of victory, I'm not ready to give up yet! And marv, unless you can provide good reasoning to convince one of me, slam, damdred, oats, or enough reasoning to get bats to uh, show up and vote, it's silly to propose the same team. So what you have to sell me is this: slam/dam/oats scumteam, or sla/dam/oats contain 2 of 3 scum
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#1095
Hey Marv, having trouble finding your obvious Oats scumread. Here's a detailed list of every post you've made this game since 10/19 (when you said you were null on oats).

On October 20 2014 05:56 marvellosity wrote:
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On October 20 2014 05:56 batsnacks wrote:
On October 20 2014 05:54 marvellosity wrote:
I'm voting nay.


Who's mafia in our group?

Obviously not us :p

Still don't know if Oats is mafia, still don't know how to read him, still don't know why i'd put him on a mission at this point.

I'd rather put all my efforts into figuring out Palmar+BH+Slam.

Null on oats.

On October 21 2014 03:19 marvellosity wrote:
which would normally make Oats town by default, but i'm not sure if mafia would confidently declare other spies as townies in this game.


Null on oats

On October 21 2014 03:27 marvellosity wrote:
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On October 21 2014 03:27 batsnacks wrote:
On October 21 2014 03:19 marvellosity wrote:
which would normally make Oats town by default, but i'm not sure if mafia would confidently declare other spies as townies in this game.


This doesn't make sense to me.

Oats town by default -- not sure if mafia would declare another spy is town? Are you talking about scum!BH calling scum!oats town or...?

Are you talking about two spies? Or are you talking about 1 spy and 1 town?

What I'm saying is that in a normal game of mafia, it's highly unusual for a mafia to confidently declare another mafia town.

But this is different, so I'm not sure the same applies


Null on Oats

On October 21 2014 03:31 marvellosity wrote:
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On October 21 2014 03:30 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure marv, bats used a trap that was sorta like it in fantasy football mafia and he was town.

I don't think that this makes him exclusively town though but its more towny to me.

Oats ate an apple

once i saw a townie eat an apple

therefore oats is a townie

nice


disputing a townread on oats due to "traps", but still not a scumread on oats.

On October 21 2014 03:57 marvellosity wrote:
If we really decide Oats is the towniest, we can yay him in a future mission on this same day.

I do not understand this urgency to yolo yay vote the most unreadable player on TL Mafia.


noncommital on oats. calls him unreadable.

On October 21 2014 18:20 marvellosity wrote:
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On October 21 2014 14:26 Blazinghand wrote:
Wait, so Oats. You weren't trying to fool scum when you made this post? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469022-the-resistance-avalon?page=22#426

because that post is like basically the same length as the explanation I gave. I can't imagine you didn't have time to say "votes will be revealed after they are tallied"... but somehow had time to write that. No, you must have been trying to help town, and now for some reason are claiming you weren't.

as explained, you are a dumbass


shooting down a reason for townreading oats, but again not scumreading him.

On October 22 2014 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
Pretty tempted just to roll with it as the choice seems to have narrowed down to Oats+Slam for me.

On October 22 2014 20:54 marvellosity wrote:
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On October 22 2014 02:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 22 2014 01:44 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd prefer a team to be oats + bats + 2 new players. rather than oats + bats + marv + one new player. I've also decided lian is acceptable. nay on this team cause it's not what I want

That's really dumb.

I think BH is playing a different game to the rest of us


not really sure what you're saying here about oats, but it's not a case against him.

On October 24 2014 21:36 marvellosity wrote:
who's mafia then, oats?


On October 24 2014 22:10 marvellosity wrote:
You "don't expect to make a decision for a few days"?

lol Oats. lol. Activity for lian discounts him but not me? (with double the page count)

Biggest load of non-committal wishy washy nonsense I saw from you in a long time. Quite a feat.


interrogating oats

On October 24 2014 22:12 marvellosity wrote:
Absolutely no curiosity on Oats' part, who if he's town would be thinking "wow, one of these 3 guys is a spy and didn't sabotage the mission first time round, who could it be and why?"

No curiosity at all.

On October 24 2014 22:27 marvellosity wrote:
there are things that townies do, and things that mafia do.

there are mistakes that townies make, and mistakes that mafia make.

You did not do what a townie does, and you made a mistake that mafia makes. It's quite simple.


On October 24 2014 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
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On October 24 2014 23:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Bh doesn't count man.
Anyway
Fine, discount that.

Still works. You scum Bro.

Doesn't work at all because you've just shown you're not reading the thread or paying attention.

Keep 'em coming, babyboy.

On October 24 2014 23:28 marvellosity wrote:
It's not exaggerated at all, Oats.

"You don't have a mafiaread"

"er, yes I clearly do"

"oh yea... I guess I do, which I'd know if I paid attention to the thread in any way"

what is the exaggeration?

On October 24 2014 23:29 marvellosity wrote:
You literally accused me of something that was blatantly false.

On October 24 2014 23:37 marvellosity wrote:
Right. So your only justification for saying it was "super exaggerated" was my phrase in "any way".

What I said, however, is totally correct. You accused me of something that was blatantly false and verifiably false, and can be seen to be false by a basic read of the thread.


here we see a buildup to direct attack on oats as marv and oats call each other scum.

On October 24 2014 23:44 marvellosity wrote:
marvellosity
lian
batsnacks
Alakaslam
Damdred
Palmar
BH
Oats

Final answer


and here we see Marv has listed Oats has his top scumread.

Most of the rest of the time after this that marv talks about oats, he just points out taht he has proven that oats is scum without describing why:

On October 28 2014 19:29 marvellosity wrote:
Literally explained in great detail to the thread why Oats is mafia and I have idiots like liancourt running around ignoring it. There is literally no way for town to win, don't know why you're all going through the motions.


so if I had to point at what marv considers his case against Oats, it would have to be the exchange beginning here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469022-the-resistance-avalon?page=34#671

Palmar points out that the simple explanation is that Oats is scum, and the tinfoil hat explanation is that marv is scum. Marv responds to the tinfoil hat one, and oats to the simple one, saying "the game isn't that easy". Oats asks Marv about keeping cards close to the chest, then Marv asks Oats about Oats' reads. Oats says he's leaning between marv and bats based on activty and feels that discount lian. He isn't ready to make a decision yet for the next few days. Marv points out that he has double the page count of lian, and that based on activity he should be in the clear, not lian. Marv further points out that Oats isn't being curious. He's not pushing the issue, not trying to find out who's scum in the aftermath of this mission, despite the fact that, from the perspective of a town oats, one of the other 4 missioners to have non-saboed during the first mission.

marv says a true town here would be inquisitive and curious, not laid-back. So oats must be scum.

is this an accurate summary of that series of posts, Marv? is this why you think oats is scum?
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#1097
Hmm, ok. I'll be honest, I haven't done a serious reading of liancourt. Anything I should look into there, in your opinion?
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#1099
Here's what I've put together as a timeline of things that have happened. do not give me towncred for this. this is for me. I'm posting it here so I can use it. I'm not doing this for you, b-baka!

team leader order determined: (link)
palm, marv, lian, oats, bats, kels (now damd), slam, bh


D1
Palm prop: Palm/marv/liancourt: (link)
palm reject: (link) .
      yays: Palm, Slam, Lian. Nays: Bats Marv, Oats, BH

Marv prop: lian/marv/batsnacks: (link)
Marv pass: (link)
      yays: marv, bats, dam, palm, oats, slam, lian. nays: BH

Mission 1: Success (link)


D2
Liam prop Lian/marv/bats/oats (link)
Lian reject. (link)
      Nays: Everyone but Lian. Yays: Lian

Oats prop lian/marv/bats/oats. (link)
Oats passes. (link)
      Yays: Marv, lian, oats, bats. Nays: Palm, BH, Slam.

Mission 2: Failure with 1 Sabotage (link)


D3
Batsnacks Proposes: Bat/Marv/Slam/Palm (link)
Bat team rejected.
      Yays: Marv and Bats. Nays: Everyone Else

Damdred Prop: Damdred Marv Lian Oats (link)
Damdred's Reject.
      Yays: Marv. Nays: Everyone Else

Slam Proposes: Marv/Palm/BH/Slam (link)
Slam's team Rejected.
      Yays: Marv. Nays: Everyone Else

BH Proposes: Bats/Palm/BH/Slam (link)
BH passes. (link)
      Yays: BH, marv, slam, oats, damdred. Nays: Lian, Palmar, batsnacks

Mission 3: Failure with 1 Sabotage (link)


D4
Palmar Proposes: Palm/Lian/Bats/Marv/Slam (link)
Palmar Rejected: (link)
      Yays: Slam, BH, Dam, Oats. Nays: Marv, Palmar, Lian. Bats abstains.

Marv Proposes: Marv/Lian/Bats/Marv/Slam (link)
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November 05 2014 22:59 GMT
#1101
So Bats passing mission 1 as scum seems pretty unlikely since that would be a high level play. This was one of the reasons i had a townread on bats, and I assume the fact that the D1 mission passed is the main reason you're townreading him. Is this accurate, Marv?
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#1103
On November 06 2014 08:01 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2014 07:59 Blazinghand wrote:
So Bats passing mission 1 as scum seems pretty unlikely since that would be a high level play. This was one of the reasons i had a townread on bats, and I assume the fact that the D1 mission passed is the main reason you're townreading him. Is this accurate, Marv?

the first mission passing was just confirmation of my read


Ok. Well, Marv, I don't like how much you've told people to look things up in your filter combined with how spread out most cases are across multiple posts. I don't like the fact that you're not driving this town personally by pushing your ideas and agendas on others aggressively. And I especially don't like how you voted during D3. When I started this off, I was looking for reassons to townread you, but I don't, and I can't. You've definitely taken stances. You've definitely been in thet hread. With a bit of research, all of your ideas and reads are there, but they're not easy to find. I don't like how you've flagged this game. I wish I were stronger on this scumread-- that you were the kind of person who more likely flags as mafia, or can't hold it together for a long scumgame. But that's not the truth.

I guess I'd have expected you to make it a bit easier for people to agree wtih you. You'd have done something on D3 other than literally yayvote every team and "give up" on the game. But then again, yayvoting every team because you've "given up" is pretty legit as scum. Suddenly, it's a lot easier to not get flak for yayvoting a team with scum on it, which, given that you yayvoted teams including like literally every player in the game, you almost certainly did.

No, I don't trust you Marv. I can't read your emotions or your feelings about this game, or your motivation. You're foreign to me. but I can read how you've voted and how you've suggested teams, and I think you're scum who has voted in scumteams and done a really darned good job of dodging responsibility and seeming "angry" about people not reading your filter. The response to any information request becomes a refernece to you hideously long, unreadable filter. The response to any strategic voting request becomes an angry torrent of yayvotes onto literally everything.

The perfect storm of "rage" to hide your intentions,t he perfect storm of incompetent voting to push your scumteams without getting any bad karma from it.

Marv, you're scum. You may be the only person left playing this game with me seriously, but you're still scum and I will NEVER yayvote a team with you on it.

anyone who's not marv who disagrees with me on this scumread, step forward now and let is debate and discuss. Let me open yoru eyes to the truth. Let us save this game.
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November 05 2014 23:33 GMT
#1105
And you yayvoted Oats adding himself to the team D2, then D3 you yayvoted literally everything? You're clearly not Merlin, given your voting pattern. If you're trying to make some sort of play here, Marv, I don't get it. If you're scum you're not drawing a counterclaim since Merlin would never CC
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#1108
...so you're a VT making some sort of play, then? Cause I know you're not Merlin.
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#1110
Hah, very funny. Yamato77 used full names in his PM though.
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#1111
I am interested in knowing, though, how did you figure out the 3 scum so well?
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#1112
nvm I mean you're definitely Merlin no doubt about it
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#1114
oh COME ON marv I was trying to create soime plausible deniability
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November 05 2014 23:52 GMT
#1116
you can't just do this, man. I was kinda in agreement on Damdr and Oats, and even though I liked Palmar, I did think he wasn't looking as townie as he usually did. Where's your FIRE? Where's the marv who I have great debates with? :_;
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#1117
I don't want to LOSE. You can't just concede on behalf of the team! We could have won!
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#1120
So I was wrong! I'm wrong all the damn time, I'm kinda a shit player. Other people were apathetic but we could have been manly and suffered through it together! as brothers in combat!

instead, we go out with a whimper
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#1121
Heck, even if we lost, the scumteam deserves to push through some good teams and win their win fairly. Maybe they wouldn't be proud of it, maybe it would be easy, but it would be a win with honor.
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#1124
what we deserved was a better more engaged game than this. But you gotta admit, my reads WERE evolving. I townread slam. I scumread bats.
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#1131
Scum played well enough imo
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#1133
Yeah oats, I agree, town could have won this.
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#1136
I'm disgusted
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#1140
This is my fault for not carrying town. By not stepping forward into the leadership role that only I am suited for, and by playing a following game, I let you all down. I let my faith in RNG and myself waver. I'll do better next time.
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#1142
Yeah in my mind this is a scum victory. Town could have won but that chance went away when Marv posted his role pm. Although Marvs decision to concede was unilateral, unsportsmanlike and against the rules, and although until he did so town had a chance, it was very likely scum would win. The fact that the have was a lurk fest doesn't change who the likely victor was.

Everything about this end is unsatisfying. It's not the host's fault though
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#1152
Yeah activity was fine, it was how people used their time.
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November 06 2014 09:50 GMT
#1157
On November 06 2014 18:46 marvellosity wrote:
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On November 06 2014 10:44 Blazinghand wrote:
This is my fault for not carrying town. By not stepping forward into the leadership role that only I am suited for, and by playing a following game, I let you all down. I let my faith in RNG and myself waver. I'll do better next time.

no, it's your fault for not following me like a good little doggy. ^_^

As the only SSS-Rank talented player on the town side, it was my job to solo win the game.
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#1159
On November 06 2014 18:55 marvellosity wrote:
and yes, Palmar, as VT I would have gone ham on you for your fucking bizarre attitude towards me from the get go.

fwiw your play was so different as Merlin that even I noticed, and I wasn't even looking for Merlin. I misinterpreted your strangeness as scumminess but them's the shakes. In a sense, we had lost regardless since even if we won you were the clear merlin. especially after your D1 team suggestion
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#1169
On November 07 2014 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On November 07 2014 01:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 07 2014 01:06 Palmar wrote:
yeah merlin is a weird role. I don't think it adds much to the flavor of the game.

However we also need to find a way to cut down the length of resistance games. Days lasting forever is a massive problem for mafia especially, but town too.

How did the first 2 games do it?
I dont remember the other one on this site being so slow.

Actually an easy way would be to put a cutoff at 24 hours or when all the votes have been submitted.
So at least there is some way of speeding up the day.


I didn't read this game after ~2 pages into the game but idk what went "shit" in this one.
Past three games were imo quite good in terms of activity and participation. I can get marv's frustration if the game was this inactive and if people played "wrong".

I personally hate the Merlin role and i don't think it should be used. It's already frustrating for town in live games, i can imagine it being even more shit in forum games, especially if town plays bad or "bad".


or, even worse, if Merlin unilaterally decides to post his role PM because he's tired of playing
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#1172
Oh don't pin this on me, you could have easily talked your way out of it, and I'd warmed up to others who I thought were scum. It doesn't even matter why you gave up, it was still a shitty move to do it when there are other players trying to play the game.
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