[I] TLLOLOTGDTM

On October 09 2014 05:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
dafuq

we're not full owb

On October 09 2014 06:20 Dandel Ion wrote:

your fault for picking a name that looks like that tbh

On October 09 2014 06:31 AsmodeusXI wrote:


tho tbh I should be "Superior Pen Guy"

On October 09 2014 08:10 MoonBear wrote:
Ok after some talking to I'm /in

On October 09 2014 12:20 AsmodeusXI wrote:


I'm in Gold.

SIR.

Edit: And my superiority will be hilarious when I'M THE FIRST TO DIE.

On October 10 2014 00:23 Dandel Ion wrote:
if you really want

I'd strongly prefer questions be sent over PM once the game is underway, though.

€: if the answer is relevant to everyone I'll post it in thread either way, and if it isn't I'll pm either way.

On October 10 2014 01:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
miller can actually benefit town in some setups.


that's kind of why i dont want them in the thread >.>

On October 10 2014 01:40 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Beginning D1 is almost always a shitshow. But it is what you make of it, I suppose.

On October 13 2014 12:37 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Anything else?

On October 13 2014 14:01 ketchup wrote:


How do you feel about tolkien? He has been active and fairly good to look into. What about Soniv? He has also made enough posts to get a feel for him

I also agree with your view about Asmo's after lynch post. It felt very forced in an overly dramatic way.

On October 14 2014 00:15 WaveofShadow wrote:

'Proof'

I dunno I just have to decide if I'm annoyed enough with how people in this game have been playing to let you all attempt to lynch me, lose the game but be vindicated, or whether I actually care more about winning.

Probably the latter.

On October 14 2014 01:14 Alaric wrote:

Now you sound like day 1 Req.

Other than that... welp.
I was going to feel bad about lynching Moonbear (although more because his post upon returning seemed to imply RL stuff in the way of him playing) but then there was this Isaac-styled Night post and I had to laugh. Damnit Dandel.
I still stand by my choice not to switch my vote, not because I necessarily think Ghandi is town too but because of the mess that discussion caused.

I've got some opinions, but there's potential for them to drastically change once night actions are revealed so I'll keep the analysis/"update" for tomorrow.
As for what happened in-between, few things I'd like to point out:

Alzadar, not that I think you defending Wave is suspicious, but at this point I don't think it'll bring much. Since our goal isn't to keep the whole town alive but to lynch scum, it's better for us to accuse than to protect. The exception is when we're close to the deadline and we believe the current lynch is a contributing certified-town; the next deadline is 50+ hours away and I personally don't think Wave's in any real danger to be lynched, so we're better off letting that slide for now.

Cixah is most likely certified townie. If I understand the roles well, as scum the best he could do would be to convince a vigilante to shoot a townie tonight, then get lynched day 2 (a poisoner would be able to cancel his kill night 2 upon seeing Cixah flip red). That means we can be sure of Cixah's intentions whenever he posts, and there's never going to be any point to challenge them. However that doesn't mean that everything he says is right. I'm not saying I find your reads useless or wrong Cixah, I just want to remind people so as to reduce the chances of sheeping/bandwagoning using your certified status as an excuse.

Wave, as the post I quoted indicates, you're acting a bit contrary to what I expected from you-especially because you're a vet and you've probably dealt with mafia noobs already.
Could be you having a lot on your plate lately (you seemed to imply so in the offtopic GD) and I can understand that. However, if you're feeling frustrated because you're getting your experience challenged by the very ignorants you're trying to raise properly, think of it as training for the pebble's teen years.
Could also be you exaggerating (because you still don't like the way we play) to amplify the whole situation and get bigger reactions from us. Your and especially Tolkien's behaviour over day 1 made me more aware of these possibilities. In that case I'm wondering what kind of reaction you're trying to cause exactly.

(For the record I'm leaning toward the latter, also because being paranoid seems like a healthy mindset atm, I just wanted to make the joke. At least I didn't accuse you of WIFOMing us with the "do you think I'm good enough to mastermind you all?" instead. ;p)



I'm a bit perplexed by the association "I pay too much attention to Wave" => "Wave is scummy". I mean, he can certainly try to manipulate people in that direction, but whether or not you fall for it depends on you more than on him, don't you think?
Just a quick observation, I agree with your intention to broaden who you're looking at (waiting for a bit more Coma/mordek myself, now that owb came out the woodwork).

(On that topic, filters are weird. I looked at everyone's length after people mentioned Soniv said "enough" because I thought he wasn't very present, and he's actually got 5 pages. Oo And I only have 2 myself, despite feeling like I spammed.)



Fuck that post ends up revolving a bunch around Wave in the end, although indirectly. Whatever, I still think my points have value so here it is.

On October 14 2014 02:25 mordek wrote:
Why are we talking about different games and numbers? This sounds like scum activity.

On October 14 2014 03:10 mordek wrote:

It's not important right now. This tells us nothing of who are next lynch target should be me. We really should stop talking about it. Personally I think all this conversation does is give scum an opportunity to act ignorant of their numbers.

On October 14 2014 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote:

That's not true in the slightest. Scum are happy to secure a mislynch since it's often very difficult to specifically pin it on any one person. Hell I don't think Soniv can take credit for MB going down on his own at all, simply the standing out factor is that he stood his ground. You can even look at that either way saying 'oh well he must be town because he stood his ground even in the face of a mislynch and the potential for him looking bad---no scum would want that' 'or 'he must be scum because the lynch was showing the potential of being carried elsewhere by wave/people who switched to Jeff (Note to self: Have another good look at the Jeff wagon) so he stood his ground to keep it there.'

Both options are equally likely to me--people have been calling me scum for trying to head lynches on people---do I look like I'm afraid to take any heat?

On October 14 2014 08:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
also OWB is lurking so fucking much, holy shit

pls post dude

On October 14 2014 04:42 onlywonderboy wrote:
I have to go to work now so I'll be gone for most of the evening. I should be able to check back in tonight after the night phase ends and see what's going on. If not I'll definitely be able to catch up during my morning class tomorrow.

On October 14 2014 10:29 GhandiEAGLE wrote:

Now You're assuming me blaming you at all is a post attempting to make you mad. This was the case in the first 24 hours. This was not the case after that.

"If youre not helping town youre against it." And with that attitude you will have lost four townies before even getting on the right track. Don't be an idiot, we need a good lynch tonight.

My last post in OT before my read post in Maf thread was over 5 hours ago. And they were throwaway posts I was able to add in between classes. I have no idea how that reflects on my circumstances.

You're clearly trying to go for my throat here, but you also ignored my question while in 5 minutes being the first to respond to LT's death. It was immediately with a vote for me, quick and dry. It was also a massive flip from who you were suspecting earlier. I don't know how this isn't completely suspicious to some people, but frankly Wave is playing you guys. Maybe not because he's scum, but he's wrong and posting inconsistent things combined with claims that aren't actually supported.

Oh and he either ignores all my questions, or sweeps them aside in order to keep the target pointed on me.

On October 15 2014 00:17 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I think, in terms of hours, it is pretty late. He only really actually started talking as soon as Soniv began a bandwagon against him.

On October 15 2014 01:08 Requizen wrote:

Sure. My personal opinion is that there are other people who are more likely to be Mafia, but I've been wrong before.

On October 15 2014 01:24 Alaric wrote:
Why not push for them and point out how they're more suspicious than Soniv to you when prompted about him, them?

Ultimately the game is about lynching mafia, not "not making mistake" and being fine with lynching a random because you couldn't read him.
'cept for D1, but that's because it's hard to have a definite read...

As for Coma:

Uh... yeah. Can't really argue about that, especially since I defended the guys with the "RL stuff" card saying I wouldn't question it. You're unrelated to Ghandi, in that you aren't both scum.

However Ghandi's still the "easy" solution because he's been attacked so much, and without Asmo's case on soniv (and Tolkien dying, which seems to have removed a cushion between Wave and Soniv (or just made it one less person for Wave to argue with so he does it harder with the remaining ones )) he'd still probably be the current bandwagon... alongside you.

I'd say I value consistency, but your circumstances, that make your vote on Ghandi less suspicious, now say that it's not a strong vote either because you didn't have much time or material to be 100% sure of your initial call, eg. circumstances have changed between then and now.
If you didn't have the convenience of Ghandi to place your vote, who would you investigate/pressure? And why?

(I know the arguments against Soniv are solid but if he's your pick it's going to look like a bandwagon... )

On October 15 2014 01:32 Requizen wrote:

I don't think Coma or ketchup are Mafia. I've given my reasons for voting Coma multiple times, the filter button is up and to the right if you want to read them. I voted for ketchup because he's pissing me off and pressuring me over nothing so I did the same to him.

I don't think my opinion on anyone at this point means anything. My scum read is still Wave. Jeff is town but he's just shitty.

On October 14 2014 01:20 Requizen wrote:
To that end I'm going to go through filters and post my thoughts given the results of last night. I will skim through somewhat quickly, as the thread is fairly large, so link me to anything I may miss about a person. They will come as the day progresses.

At the moment, my two biggest Scum reads are still Wave and LordyT. Partially left over from last night, partially because my reasoning still feels good to me. Wave because what I posted above, LordT for the reasons I discussed yesterday. Additionally:

-his early "role call" was highly suspicious
-His list of players is highly iffy. Knowing that MoonBear was VT and (myself) knowing I am not scum, he noted us as scummy. Knowing that he and Wave are on my watchlist, he noted them as townish. And he calls Alzadar scum for "not paying attention to him", which is very much attention drawing.
-His vote changed plenty enough for me to be suspicious. I understand using votes as pressure, but he jumped to many people I don't find suspicious/think may very well be town, and he helped push the MoonBear train pretty hard.

These two are my top picks atm. Please respond with criticism/discussion, or if you are the accused respond with your rebuttal.

On October 15 2014 02:59 Requizen wrote:

You blatantly left it out of your "in depth investigation" to make me look like worse.

I haven't changed that stance. I don't have a good read on you. My instincts don't scream mafia but you haven't posted enough helpful things to be confirmed town. You are 20%~30% scum, which doesn't mean anything. If the votes go towards you, I have no problem letting them go through because I don't think you're confirmed town like some other people. If they don't, that's fine too, I think Wave is a bigger threat (for reasons listed multiple times).

I am not flipping on things. My opinions have formed slowly and changed slowly, and I have been outspoken and honest about it every step of the way. Ignoring that and trying to utilize misinformation makes you look bad, and I'd rather not have to pursue you.

As an aside, I'm removing my vote from ketchup since, as I said before, I don't think he's scum and I just jumped on him because he was on my case. I hope this reasoning is clear enough that it can be referenced in the future without someone twisting my actions to try and draw attention off of themselves.

##unvote

On October 15 2014 03:10 Cixah wrote:



This is the most sketchy post I've seen you make in this whole thread OWB, which while not many your stuff has some substance to it. Why are you campaigning for a Wave vote now when he hasn't even be brought to the table in 2 pages?

On October 15 2014 11:53 ketchup wrote:
Wave, it's not the lack of posts that annoy me about the lurkers, but the lack of interaction between everyone in the thread. Right now, it's usually me, you, or soniv. Before this, we could add in tolkien too. The majority of the players have very little interaction between each other. I'm trying very hard to force interaction when I can, but it doesn't work the way I want. I tried to pressure Req to expand on reads, and he went defensive on me. Worse yet, he seems more confused than ever.

On October 16 2014 02:10 ComaDose wrote:
i cant tell if ghandi is convincing or desperate

On October 16 2014 02:33 mordek wrote:
Nice, managed to secure the name of a lurker-tier.

On October 16 2014 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like what WAS with all the greenfont shit?
And why does he feel the need to point out the extremely obvious, that there is a bus going on (unless both soniv/Jeff are town and the scum are in the rest of lurk city, or we've been massively fooled by, say, himself or ketchup).

I think a lot of us have actually let Alaric skate by on early towncred without looking into him in a long time.
Either that or the quiet is making me paranoid. I hate being in charge of lynches. Good practice though.

On October 16 2014 03:03 mordek wrote:

Hi Ghandi thanks. It seems you've picked someone else to see if maybe that will get something started since, once again, the pressure's on you. I know I'm town so I'm currently going through to see who thought I was a good scum target as they are most likely scum. I'm kinda curious why you're the first person to press the issue since honestly, my posting looks lurker-scum.

@owb I haven't been able to pick up on any slips so while it's hard to be super confident it's not like I've been politician-y about things. I stuck with my feelings on LT (which iirc where well spoken by alaric in an earlier post D1) and I was wrong. Ok, those things happen. I had a feeling on Soniv but I've repeatedly said him and ghandi were my #1 reads. I could go either way.

On October 16 2014 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
##unvote
##vote: mordek


This interests me actually.
Mordek you say you haven't been politician-y, but






A lot of your posting just doesn't look great at all. Gives me bad feels.

On October 16 2014 03:52 jcarlsoniv wrote:


I'm so confused how you think my posting has been bad today. You had a town read on me D1, and my posting was so much worse D1, and I'm happy to be the first to admit that. Once again, I'm feeling like my entire play today has been largely ignored.

I have tried to hand you guys a better lynch, and it was completely passed off as everyone giving Req a pass for being Req. I also now believe that Jeff is scum (something I did not think was true D1), and I've tried to push him as well. Is this going to be the theme of the game? Every day it's going to be Jeff vs. someone that ends up flipping town, only to continue it on the next day?

You think you're going to get information from my flip, but all you'll find out is how god damn wrong you've been and how much time you've all wasted.



? What did I dodge?

On October 16 2014 04:11 ketchup wrote:
Here are a few questions that I am currently having:

Why is Wave jumping on the mordek voting that was started by someone he feels is so heavily scummy that he has been after him since day 1?

What's with the late day 2 vote switch by wave? I mean he could pressure mordek without voting for him.

What's with OWB's jump on mordek as well?

How did the mordek get three quick votes in the span of 1 hour?

On October 16 2014 04:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Eh, I don't think people understand the meaning or use of a pressure vote. Oh well.

##unvote

Vote/read on mordek was never real tbh, but I wanted to see who I could make do stuff. Only person to jump was owb, though that's pretty interesting sine he's been doing it alllllllll game.


This is pretty untrue.

ketchup, what do you think? Who should it be today?

On October 16 2014 04:54 GhandiEAGLE wrote:

Have you? Maybe I've been misinterpreting your question.

In the brief periods of time where I haven't had to constantly defend myself, I was doing a couple other things, like looking through the forgotten lurkers like Mordek. I found some stuff, talked about it, and had a couple people agree with me. I said it wasn't anything more than a vote meant to get Mordek talking rather than distracting people or lynching people.

After that though, I noticed that OWB switched his vote again. He's actually done this a large number of times day one; he's got a very fast trigger that he's been pulling. I remember saying he was a lurker, and then him immediately deflecting it by acting appalled that I'd suggest it and then snap-voting against me. He seems very eager to get on a bandwagon early, so that he can be on the train but never arouse suspicion. He never actually instigates anything, and almost never posts anything but defense (or his quick switches).

That said, I'm willing to take my vote off of Mordek now. Soniv is still Scummer #1 in my book, but OWB's flipping is damn suspicious and he's also been very unproductive. Asmo too has been sketchy, though to a lesser degree.

##unvote

On October 16 2014 05:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
owb I think you need to explain your posting and voting, because as far as I can remember you've just been shadowing me the entire game.

On October 16 2014 06:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Coma's absence.

And it's entirely possible that owb really has been coming up with all of that shit and I've simply beaten him to the bunch multiple times, but he posts stuff like this:

When I just barely post the slightest bit of suspicion on Alaric, he jumps on it and takes it further when there is no mention of Alaric ANYWHERE in his filter previously.

On October 16 2014 06:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
In fact, I never said he was scummy to begin with, just that we've all been letting him slide.

On October 16 2014 07:02 Cixah wrote:
The only problem I see with this situation is if Scum DO have a roleblocker and Ketchup's post from way back at the start of D2 is true that he got roleblocked.

If you claim roleblocked you realize what will happen right?

On October 22 2014 11:06 AsmodeusXI wrote:


Happy birthday then you poop.