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On October 13 2014 04:31 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 04:13 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 03:28 ketchup wrote:owb is also more townie than comadose who has voted on a fairly bandwagon type of vote without explaining much. see: On October 13 2014 00:12 ComaDose wrote:
ugh hmmm im not sure what to do.
##vote GhandiEAGLE
sorry jeff So, ##Vote ComaDose I should also mention this is pretty fucking terrible. You make a joke of my post about you trying to leading town, then make posts like these. Let me vote how I want because you aren't doing anything for me with your posts. In fact, they serve to confuse town still more than help. ComaDose should be looked at more than owb. owb at least has said he has been busy, and voted no lynch. Comadose pretends to be confused, and still hops on ghandieagle bandwagon(which you started).
I'm just serving to confuse people? Please, indicate me as to where I led the town astray, I beg of you.
I don't think either coma or owb should be looked at today because there's nothing to look at. If we have a vig then they can get shot tonight. We don't learn anything by lynching either.
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I mean at the very least I doubt ketchup is scum for the way he's attacking me. A lot less underhanded about it than MB was, or even Req's phrasing.
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Sorry I'm not particularly organized in mafia, I'm more the conversational type and I post my thoughts when I have them. Not really sure how easy it would be to group anything up.
Alz, it's because we can actually learn a great deal from voting patterns as the days progress, (ie who voted for whom and why). Voting to lynch a lurker doesn't tell us much because they haven't posted a great deal and so you can't tell why people voted for them based on reactions/responses or anything nearly as easily.
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On October 13 2014 04:51 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 04:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 04:31 ketchup wrote:On October 13 2014 04:13 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 03:28 ketchup wrote:owb is also more townie than comadose who has voted on a fairly bandwagon type of vote without explaining much. see: On October 13 2014 00:12 ComaDose wrote:
ugh hmmm im not sure what to do.
##vote GhandiEAGLE
sorry jeff So, ##Vote ComaDose I should also mention this is pretty fucking terrible. You make a joke of my post about you trying to leading town, then make posts like these. Let me vote how I want because you aren't doing anything for me with your posts. In fact, they serve to confuse town still more than help. ComaDose should be looked at more than owb. owb at least has said he has been busy, and voted no lynch. Comadose pretends to be confused, and still hops on ghandieagle bandwagon(which you started). I'm just serving to confuse people? Please, indicate me as to where I led the town astray, I beg of you. I don't think either coma or owb should be looked at today because there's nothing to look at. If we have a vig then they can get shot tonight. We don't learn anything by lynching either. You don't think your hand holding of Requizen regarding tolkien was not leading him to a conclusion you drew out? Go read that exchange again. It's not like I think you are 100% scum, but your play sucks to help town. You attack more people than anything in your interaction with people. You are wishywashy with your reads which is excusable considering it is day 1, but then you attack people for the same things you are doing. A big one being the lack of voting, which you waited until the last day to do(aside from your initial ghandieagle sucky non-vote first post). You are DEFINITELY playing a game where you want to push votes. Lastly, I have repeated this multiple times. Your posts don't help town. They help to confuse town. In the last few pages, you jump from moonbear to tolkien, and back to ghandieagle. Over and over again. I honestly think comadose lynch would help town more than either moonbear,tolkien or ghandieagle at this point. If I could get enough votes, I'd even vote for you. It's just that too many people think you are good knowledge for being a "vet" which sucks. Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 22:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yay req!
Alright let's go a little further.
You think Tolkien is protecting someone? Who do you think he is protecting specifically? I can tell you that often mafia team members will actively try to distance themselves from any teammates in thread rather than protect them outright for fear of being connected, if one of them flips. This post is an exact example of your town teacher role you are trying to create.
I'm not getting into a long drawn out argument with you over this, so this post will be the last on the subject.
No, I was not leading him to a specific conclusion, I was pushing him to think critically when he already shown signs of started doing so. You know, good town play. Yes I can be aggressive at times, welcome to mafia.
'Wishy-washy' is probably one of the terms that I HATE the most when people throw it around. You would prefer I pick a read and stick to it like glue over the course of a day? Rather than constantly be updating reads and evaluating as the day progresses? Which do you think shows a more towny mindset, ketchup?
I'm sorry if you don't like my play ketchup, but I don't think it's doing what you say it's doing---if you find it's confusing then you yourself can ignore what I have to say (and I can see you currently are) but shitting on my play and causing this argument is doing more for scum than town right now---if people listen to you by discrediting me then you are removing a strong and most importantly ACTIVE town voice which is extremely troublesome. I don't plan on changing the way I play the game, and I don't see any problems with what I am doing at all.
That's all I have to say on the matter. If you think I'm scum, go ahead and vote for me. If not, then drop it and quit shitting up the atmosphere.
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On October 13 2014 05:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 04:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hmm actually I just thought of something. Think it'll be Tolkien for me right now.
##Vote: Lord Tolkien What did you think of Wave? Do tell.
Narp.
Fuck today is hard tho.
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Ugh I think MB and Tolkien might both be town (or at the very least not scum).
##Unvote
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Fuck today really is too hard.
Soniv where the shit are you?
I normally don't like going outside of game but you just posted in OT, and you played a bunch of league. Surely you must realize that the town has very little direction right now, and surely you're not of the alignment of people who wouldn't care about that kind of situation...
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Req if I'm so unbelievably suspicious why are you voting for somebody I 'led' you towards and voted for myself for a while?
Hell ketchup can answer that too.
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I might just sheep Alaric. We should talk bro.
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On October 13 2014 05:35 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 05:28 mordek wrote:On October 13 2014 05:06 mordek wrote:
I'm going with my gut. I'm fairly sure Wave is town. I've been uneasy about Tolkien the whole time. We're going to learn a lot after the first day. Prove me wrong to change my vote.
##Vote Lord Tolkien On October 12 2014 01:53 mordek wrote:
Ok. I've been trying to re-read and trim my post up so I don't have any distracting details. My main thought is I can't see Wave making that big post which obviously creates a confident and open atmosphere right from the start, absolutely a Town move, and then it's some huge reverse psychology thing. We're going to find out soon if he points us in the wrong direction as the leader.
I don't have great reads on scum, I'm not sure what makes a good read vs. a feeling. So far Swaglord has been contentless, changes the subject, or is just unrelated and doesn't build any conversation. Also owb has not posted yet, do we know if he has a good reason not to? I don't know how this is a bandwagon. Me and Wave voted for you and now I'm hopping on a wagon? You're not the only one. Just check the votecount. Your reasoning feels weak. So does wave's but not lynching him D1.
Or ever.
Plz LT. My reasoning is fucking ironclad but you did something recently to give me pause.
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On October 13 2014 05:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Of course I'm here. I'm just observing right now. You're a big boy, you can live without me posting and validating your opinions. Speaking of which, I think you see me as town more than I see you as town. Don't think I don't notice your constant buddying up and using me as an excuse to make your reads valid to town.
I'm trying to look at the voting patterns. I don't think Swaglord is scum. He comes back with a big list post, but as far as list posts go, there was more than 0 content. Req makes an ok analysis and puts his vote on LT. Alright, cool, I'm glad Req started playing. A few hours later, a bandwagon has started and I'm not entirely sure why.
LT, I'm not really convinced on mordek either. He looks as bandwagony as Jeff (albeit with a bit more post content), just on different vote targets.
MoonBear's "defense" has left me very unsatisfied.
No, I expect you to do more. If you think that latest post was a buddying attempt you're sorely mistaken.
The bolded is exactly why I don't think he's scum either, but pre-flip association IS a bit dangerous so I can't discount it completely. Essentially my reasoning on LT is the fact that the wagons at the time were him and MB...LT then unvotes MB...as scum there is absolutely ZERO reason to do that if MB is town and you can pull off a mislynch. MB could still be scum but I have other reasons to believe he may not be and I'm not sure I want to force the issue.
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On October 13 2014 05:41 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 05:35 Lord Tolkien wrote:On October 13 2014 05:28 mordek wrote:On October 13 2014 05:06 mordek wrote:
I'm going with my gut. I'm fairly sure Wave is town. I've been uneasy about Tolkien the whole time. We're going to learn a lot after the first day. Prove me wrong to change my vote.
##Vote Lord Tolkien On October 12 2014 01:53 mordek wrote:
Ok. I've been trying to re-read and trim my post up so I don't have any distracting details. My main thought is I can't see Wave making that big post which obviously creates a confident and open atmosphere right from the start, absolutely a Town move, and then it's some huge reverse psychology thing. We're going to find out soon if he points us in the wrong direction as the leader.
I don't have great reads on scum, I'm not sure what makes a good read vs. a feeling. So far Swaglord has been contentless, changes the subject, or is just unrelated and doesn't build any conversation. Also owb has not posted yet, do we know if he has a good reason not to? I don't know how this is a bandwagon. Me and Wave voted for you and now I'm hopping on a wagon? You're not the only one. Just check the votecount. Your reasoning feels weak. So does wave's but not lynching him D1. Or ever. Plz LT. My reasoning is fucking ironclad but you did something recently to give me pause. Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 04:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 04:27 Alzadar wrote:Would still to hear a vote from you Wave. We're <5h from deadline and we need to start consolidating So, we've got two 3-votes and a bunch of 1s. How do you lean between the 3s? Heads-up: I'm going to a friend's for another Thanksgiving dinner at 5ish EDT, and very likely won't be back before 8. So it's T-1:30 on my vote. I'm sticking to Tolkien for now but I see Moon as pretty scummy so I'll change if that's how the town leans. I'm having trouble with it honestly. My top 3 are between MB/Tolkien for first right now, then Asmo in 3rd. Asmo's posting has improved since the first one that made me call him out, but I've caught people on first/single posts before (and have also been wrong before as well) and I'd be super annoyed if I let that go and turned out to be right on him. Tolkien I could see getting lynched as town and not giving too many fucks as it is now, and MB's attitude is just....weird. Like I can't tell if he truly believes that the way he's been playing is satisfactory and is pretty content just to consistently shit on me/townplay without being helpful to the town itself---at the very least I think Req sort of realized some of the issues with his play (whether that in itself is towny or scummy is probably discussion for another day) I don't feel a strong pull to one over another right now, certainly not strong enough to try to push the town towards one or the other. Hmm actually I just thought of something. Think it'll be Tolkien for me right now. ##Vote: Lord Tolkien Yeah, you sound super confident in that vote.
Read the above, honey. I don't think I want to lynch either today. lol and I'm certainly not lynching mordek.
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On October 13 2014 05:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 05:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 05:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Of course I'm here. I'm just observing right now. You're a big boy, you can live without me posting and validating your opinions. Speaking of which, I think you see me as town more than I see you as town. Don't think I don't notice your constant buddying up and using me as an excuse to make your reads valid to town.
I'm trying to look at the voting patterns. I don't think Swaglord is scum. He comes back with a big list post, but as far as list posts go, there was more than 0 content. Req makes an ok analysis and puts his vote on LT. Alright, cool, I'm glad Req started playing. A few hours later, a bandwagon has started and I'm not entirely sure why.
LT, I'm not really convinced on mordek either. He looks as bandwagony as Jeff (albeit with a bit more post content), just on different vote targets.
MoonBear's "defense" has left me very unsatisfied. No, I expect you to do more. If you think that latest post was a buddying attempt you're sorely mistaken. The bolded is exactly why I don't think he's scum either, but pre-flip association IS a bit dangerous so I can't discount it completely. Essentially my reasoning on LT is the fact that the wagons at the time were him and MB...LT then unvotes MB...as scum there is absolutely ZERO reason to do that if MB is town and you can pull off a mislynch. MB could still be scum but I have other reasons to believe he may not be and I'm not sure I want to force the issue. What do you mean you don't want to force the issue?? YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR VOTE PLACED. You have no idea who you want to lynch, you're completely undecided and clearly having issues figuring it out (I know, this D1 is especially hard). You tell me to do more? No, you push the issue. I'm content with my vote on MoonBear. And I wasn't talking about you last post being buddy buddy. It's a general trend in your posting this game.
Oh I know, that's 'cause you're my bud (and one of the few people who I can count on to explain the game to others when they obstinately won't listen to me, see ketchup). I have no problems buddying when I find it's appropriate and I'll do it shamelessly. In fact, I'm attempting to buddy up to Alaric right now.
I'll push the issue if I think MB is actually going to be lynched but until that point I won't. You're a smart boy though and we've been seeing the same things for much of the game. Maybe you'll figure this one out too.
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On October 13 2014 04:11 Cixah wrote:
##Unvote
I have another post comming, forgot to to that last night before bed.
So umm.....
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On October 13 2014 06:19 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I'm glad we could see eye to eye Alaric.
@MB, I want to point out that I'm still open to be swayed. No one's 100% guilty on D1. Come @ me with something good and I'll switch to that lurker scumbag Coma because he certainly hasn't done much good for himself. Vice versa for you Coma. Why aren't you scum?
Haha what say you now Alaric
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On October 13 2014 06:38 Cixah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 06:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 04:11 Cixah wrote:
##Unvote
I have another post comming, forgot to to that last night before bed. So umm..... No patience. I had things to do today. Most of the reasoning that the majority of the people have come to seems slightly influenced by wave or alaric in some way. Which is fine unless we don't actually get a good lynch after tonight. My reads right now. Soniv is majority town. His lurkyness right now is still mostly in the favor of town when it comes to who has pressed who. I'd like to see more of his opinion on Alaric and Wave's position, preferably before the lynch in 3 hrs. Wave is town. He's being augmentative but only because he's digging for more information. Assuming he doesn't die tonight, we'll have a decent idea of what's to come for d2. Moonbear and Tolkin seem the most scummy to me right now. Moonbear's posts have been analyzed and I really have nothing new to add to them other than I think the lynch on him is probably not tonight. I would feel more comfortable if we had a vigi shot or something similar for him, but that's really not my call. Tolkin's posts have been sporatically themed with a very heavy dose of "Cause Dissension at every Turn". His rabid unwillingness to answer any sort of questions in reguards to reads, why he's voting Bandwagon, and never moving any town facing conversation forward. Comadose hasn't said anything, but if he makes it to day 2 I think he'll make more of an appearance. For now I'm willing to lean on neutral because he legit has 1 page worth of filter. Post more. I need to know how you feel in this game, Specifically about Wave, Soniv, Tolkin, and Asmo. Ketchep leans town for me. I'm not convinced he's The Towniest Town in Town, but he's moving in that direction. Asmo is town. Azladar is Null for me. I'm still unsure how to read his, mordek, jeff's REALLY early bandwagon but it doesn't sit well at all with me. For now those 3 or neutral. Req is leans town but is playing like a wounded sheep. Req how do you feel about Azladar, Mordek and Jeff? I'm still holding my vote for now, but most likely it will be used on Moonbear. I'm not convinced outside of last second heroics that you're not scum. Either that or you're just playing with a giant veil over your words because you want people to read way to deep into your posts and find nothing.
I laughed at the wounded sheep comment, not gonna lie.
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On October 13 2014 06:48 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Ugh. This is such scum-centric votespread, idek.
Definitely dont like the MB wagon right now. And I'm clearly town. So.
Hm.
Yeah I won't bother explaining why because I'm just going to be accused of manipulating people.
I get the feeling we won't be lynching scum today....you may be right with your newbie-game lurker attitude.
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On October 13 2014 06:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 06:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 13 2014 06:48 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Ugh. This is such scum-centric votespread, idek.
Definitely dont like the MB wagon right now. And I'm clearly town. So.
Hm. Yeah I won't bother explaining why because I'm just going to be accused of manipulating people. I get the feeling we won't be lynching scum today....you may be right with your newbie-game lurker attitude. I want to hear about this opinion sometime if you can ever feel like people won't lynch you for it alone.
lol there's no way in hell I'm getting lynched for it, I'm just annoyed at all the people calling me out when I'm genuinely trying to be helpful.
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On October 13 2014 06:50 mordek wrote:
I feel like odds are at least one of the "vets" is on town side. There's a chance that's not the case but not a good one. My thoughts on Wave and Soniv to a certain lesser extent: They start off the game with what feels like a pro-town atmosphere. Since then they've backed off considerably I'd say. But they're back now which I guess was expected with the deadline coming up very soon. Lord Tolkien has still hasn't convinced me he's acting in the town's best interests.
So far I've voted Cixah and then LT. I thought I had somewhat of a meta-read on Cixah and probably had that creating some confirmation bias in my mind reading through his posts. So now that I'm convinced Cixah is town I thought I should look at who else voted Cixah. Obv Alz was also critiquing his posts but also Ghandi seemed to hop on the Cixah wagon. I thought I had a valid reason voting for him but Ghandi, like usual it seems, offered little insight.
I'm sticking with LT for now, that's what my gut says but I also thing Ghandi is at the least not-Town.
Mordek did you read what I wrote about LT? Do you think it makes sense for him to do what he did?
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If we resort to lurker lynch it'll be Jeff.
##Vote: GhandiEAGLE
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