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On October 13 2014 07:27 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 07:26 ketchup wrote: It says voting is mandatory. He is definitely mod killed if he doesn't vote. I mean there is still a chance for moonbear to participate, but the fact that you guys think letting mafia have two kills on day 1 is a good idea. What a joke. This is why letting it stay on moonbear is definitely a good town move even if you think he is scum or town. However we don't really gain anything from the voting record this way.
We gain night actions, and information. You really want to give mafia two kills on day 1 if moonbear is a no show? We end up voting on some other rando, and now we have given mafia two kills on DAY 1. What are your percentages that you think you will get a scum vote on day 1?
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This discussion isn't silly, because there is a high chance moonbear will be night killed. We have like 1-2 hours, and he is still a no show. I wanted to bring this up before people manipulated everyone to take the vote off moonbear, and put it on someone else.
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Err sorry, that was incorrect. There is a high chance moonbear will be mod killed*
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On October 13 2014 07:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Talk of modkilling stops here. It is extremely unproductive. MB is not going to be modkilled. We are going to talk about which scum we are going to lynch today.
I feel a lot better about my vote on Jeff right now---I didn't really consider his taunting me earlier particularly scummy because that's a tactic I've only ever see more experienced scum use but I feel it's possible. The fact that he's leaving his explanations/defenses until right at the end of the day to force a scramble for majority is pretty anti-town as well. He has also shown he doesn't give any fucks about this game at all so I can think of no good reason to keep him around, even if he is town. Would you want Jeff in a 3-man LYLO?
Vote accordingly, people.
You aren't a mod, stop trying to dictate how this game goes. Until a mod comes out and tells me this isn't allowed, I will definitely keep posting about it. The mod kill discussion was 100% legit because of this random ass move to jump on the ghandieagle bandwagon started by you, and followed by Tolkien.
On October 13 2014 07:34 MoonBear wrote: I've been busy zzz. Just because I write like Bill Gross doesn't make me scum. Focus on the people trying to be disruptive instead. Read into what people are doing and not people write on D1 imo since there's so little to read into anyway. You guys are getting so twitchy about each shadow in the forest as if there are ghosts as you drive through and ignoring the wolf howls right outside.
##Vote: GhandiEAGLE
This moonbear jump on ghandieagle bandwagon is hilarious.
##Vote: MoonBear
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On October 13 2014 07:41 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 07:39 ketchup wrote: This moonbear jump on ghandieagle bandwagon is hilarious.
##Vote: MoonBear Yeah no.
You haven't responded all day today, and you expect me to believe you when you randomly join in to vote ghandieagle AFTER there was already effort put in by tolkien and wave to get jeff lynched? Yea okay dude.
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On October 13 2014 07:44 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 07:42 ketchup wrote:On October 13 2014 07:41 MoonBear wrote:On October 13 2014 07:39 ketchup wrote: This moonbear jump on ghandieagle bandwagon is hilarious.
##Vote: MoonBear Yeah no. You haven't responded all day today, and you expect me to believe you when you randomly join in to vote ghandieagle AFTER there was already effort put in by tolkien and wave to get jeff lynched? Yea okay dude. Y'all m'fk'ers act like they forgot about Dre real life and the fact I mentioned Ghandi before anyway
Who cares if you mentioned ghandi before? You haven't given me enough to justify the vote RIGHT NOW. What is making you vote on ghandieagle? The only thing I see is that you jumped on the ghandi bandwagon because it's rolling really strong!
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On October 13 2014 07:47 Lord Tolkien wrote: I kind of want to lynch ketchup for continuing to instigate the whole "o my god don't listen to them they're vets, MANIPULATION" line of thought.
Go ahead dude. Feel free to do it.
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On October 13 2014 07:45 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 07:44 MoonBear wrote:On October 13 2014 07:42 ketchup wrote:On October 13 2014 07:41 MoonBear wrote:On October 13 2014 07:39 ketchup wrote: This moonbear jump on ghandieagle bandwagon is hilarious.
##Vote: MoonBear Yeah no. You haven't responded all day today, and you expect me to believe you when you randomly join in to vote ghandieagle AFTER there was already effort put in by tolkien and wave to get jeff lynched? Yea okay dude. Y'all m'fk'ers act like they forgot about Dre real life and the fact I mentioned Ghandi before anyway Who cares if you mentioned ghandi before? You haven't given me enough to justify the vote RIGHT NOW. What is making you vote on ghandieagle? The only thing I see is that you jumped on the ghandi bandwagon because it's rolling really strong!
So I'm still waiting for moonbear to come up with his reasons on why he chooses to jump on ghandieagle this late. I hope he didn't post once, and then went away. What disqualified the other two people you spoke about? What happened with tolkien and Alzadar that made you change your mind?
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It may be odd, but I won't move my vote. I don't feel comfortable letting moonbear go with his low amount of content/posting. He hasn't shown to be helpful. So either he's unhelpful town who is playing badly, or he is scum who is playing badly. Either way, it's one less obstacle that stands in the way of town solving the game.
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On October 13 2014 08:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 08:40 ketchup wrote: It may be odd, but I won't move my vote. I don't feel comfortable letting moonbear go with his low amount of content/posting. He hasn't shown to be helpful. So either he's unhelpful town who is playing badly, or he is scum who is playing badly. Either way, it's one less obstacle that stands in the way of town solving the game. This was my logic on Jeff and you pushed against it like crazy. Do you see what Soniv just said? He knows MB will flip green (and I have a suspicion it will be more than that) and is still comfortable with it, WITHOUT offering reasons like you just did. He sat back all day while we were trying to figure things out and let the wagons progress like they did. I think soniv could actually be scum but I doubt we get the numbers to do him today. Right now I feel ok about Asmo, more so than MB.
I agree that I don't like soniv's interaction this last day. I also didn't like his interaction earlier when the mod kill topic came up. Then again, you were very against discussing it too, so it's not like everyone is going to agree with each other over everything.
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Still a vote on moonbear is better than removing votes from him this late into the day. I think removing votes from anyone this late helps scum more than it helps town.
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Do you really think town can swing a vote faster than scum can? Do you really want to see moonbear do this again for day 2?
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On October 13 2014 08:51 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 08:50 ketchup wrote: Do you really think town can swing a vote faster than scum can? Do you really want to see moonbear do this again for day 2? Well at the very least he won't have the excuse on D2 that 'we can't have any useful discussion.'
The problem is, if he is as town as you say, we still wouldn't be able to vote on him day 2 even if he plays badly. It's just better to get rid of him since he pinged a lot of people's radar on being suspicious, and he generally takes attention away from what you consider more scummy persons. This question of moonbear "is he or isnt he" will just keep popping up.
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On October 13 2014 08:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Ketchup how about this: you can dictate the switch target if you don't trust me.
I refuse. I will keep my vote on moonbear because i see him as an obstacle for town even if he is townie.
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If he's blue, it sucks but he played badly, and nothing he did helped us. Considering he hasn't come out as blue yet and there are less than 30 minutes left, I think he is not blue.
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There is actually less than 5 minutes left.
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On October 13 2014 08:55 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 08:55 ketchup wrote: If he's blue, it sucks but he played badly, and nothing he did helped us. Considering he hasn't come out as blue yet and there are less than 30 minutes left, I think he is not blue. Or he has no idea you're supposed to claim.
Then just like he did before, he would ask in PM to the mod or in game. I don't see a reason if he was blue that he wouldn't PM the mod or try to save himself properly.
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Basically moonbear randomly voted on the ghandieagle thing, then stopped posting here. He is either too busy or doesn't care. Either way, it doesn't help at all for town.
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On October 13 2014 09:05 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 09:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:so did you? On October 13 2014 08:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright as I said I sincerely hope you guys are right. I'll gladly eat the attacks I'm likely to face in the case of my being wrong because I know I won't get lynched because of it and we can move on and win. wave pls How is that an excuse OR a justification? I just said I 'd gladly be wrong because it would mean that we lynch scum. Remember how I DIDNT think he was scum?
Let's be fair, in a game of information, scum have more. This isn't a point in your favor. Just because you think he isn't scum doesn't make you any less scum. Even I could have removed my vote, but I didn't because last minute vote changes are not a good thing as town imo. Moonbear was unhelpful, and took a lot of the day 1 attention. If he kept playing like that, there's no way he would help day 2 and onwards. It's not something I want to see as town. I have my reservations about soniv, but this post doesn't mean much to me in regards to your alignment.
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Also I want to mention, that you bringing up he may be blue/ townie with a role, is really frustrating to try to bring confusion/chaos into the game. This is especially so because you chose to do so in the voting stage when there were less than 30 minutes left. If you thought he may be blue, why didn't you mention it the first time he was being voted on? Why didn't you mention it a lot earlier? Like, does it actually save moonbear? Moonbear could have outlived the vote, but if this was actually a thing, do you think scum would let him past the night stage?
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