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On October 12 2014 03:48 Requizen wrote:
Why is asking for roles scummy? Maybe people are more truthful than you'd like to believe.
Voting at this stage seems dumb. No one has said anything to out themselves in any real way, other than the really long posts which make me think they're too tryhard to be Town.
But I've never played TL mafia so what do I know.
It has absolutely nothing at all to do with lying or telling the truth. Do you think it's good strategy for let's say, a cop to out himself before he can even get a check off, allowing the scum to kill him N1 for free? Do you think we should have our medic tell us who he is?
And how is voting dumb exactly? To those who care about the game, voting is absolutely everything. It is the only way most town members can exert any pressure at all and it is the only way at all we can win.
Are you going to play, or are you just going to bitch?
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On October 12 2014 03:57 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Wave, I do give a shit you scummy scummer scum. Nobody's helping me lynch your lying ass though.
Then do something productive, because this isn't it.
I know you're in elementary school and all, but calling me names isn't going to do anyone any good.
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On October 12 2014 03:50 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 02:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
owb is a lurker. If he doesn't post, then someone can vig him or he'll be modkilled.
Random thoughts:
Pretty sure Req has no idea at all how to play or what he's doing. I know i said I wouldn't do this, but it just doesn't seem likely to me that he's scum actively bluefishing in the thread. His scumteam would not be happy with that (though obviously if the scumteam is equally newbie it doesn't mean much).
Mordek you've had almost a day and a fair number of pages of thread. Surely you can give us a little more than that. Thoughts on Soniv? Alzadar? What do you think of my vote on Asmo?
And for that matter is anyone else in this game actually going to drop a vote at any point in time? First impressions on Soniv were actually scum. I honestly don't know what to think of you two with the early banter. Alzadar looked suspicious but I think I was "bandwagoning" with a bunch of posts saying what he was doing was suspicious. Asmo didn't seem to post out of character from his normal self but it's day 1 or w/e and its hard to see where words don't match actions. I was giving it some thought while working on the yard and I think I'm most convinced of Cixah. He read you as 55% scum. To me this is weird as I think you'd either be entirely convinced your town and setting the right environment or entirely convinced you're making some huge epic mafia play and pulling the wool over all our eyes. Seems to tentative. I understand doubts but feels like that and the 51/49 split is also just trying not to stick your neck out. I'm not sure if this is a good read but I will confidently assert it and meet any rebuttals with an open mind. Also I followed your advise and read all about WIFOM and the Princess Bride. How do you not make a WIFOM argument before a lynching? I thought Req's post about everything being confusing and angry was a sign he's not in the informed minority but that could also be a nice play on his part.
Ah, refreshing. A post I like.
On October 12 2014 04:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 03:40 Cixah wrote:On October 12 2014 03:39 Lord Tolkien wrote:On October 12 2014 02:17 Dandel Ion wrote:
Vote Count
WaveofShadow (1): GhandiEAGLE
Alzadar (1): Cixah
AsmodeusXI (1): WaveofShadow
GhandiEAGLE (0): WaveofShadow
Not voting (11): The rest
Currently, Waveofshadow is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in
Remember that voting is mandatory.
This votecount is correct. Wat. OH. I see. You're gonna be anal about capitalizing the "Vote", huh. Well anyways, going back to afking in confirmed town glory. I confirmed it for you guys earlier, IF YOU RECALL. How are you confirmed town exactly? All you've asked is take my word for it without actually posting anything relevant at all. :| Did you not see me both calling that I was town, then confirming it right after I read my PM? Clear town confirm here.
6ah plz. Tolkien is obviously confirmed town.
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On October 12 2014 04:12 Requizen wrote:
I'm saying voting is pointless right now because no one has said anything that says to me "yeah this person is totally this role or that role". Everyone is just asking one another what they think about things based on basically nothing. Seems silly to me.
But, if I may intuit based on who our organizer is, the most senior player is either Townie or low level scum. Because that's what I would do and Dandel gets me. And since your first post was so adamant to make sure people thought you were town:
##Vote WaveOfShadow
What?
What are you even saying?
You do know that the roles are randomized, right?
I mean I get your reasoning for the last part but ugh.
I hate it so much when people try to play mafia and base their shit on hosting in any way.
It's so fucking dumb and always ends badly.
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lol. MB see my post directed at Req above.
Why the fuck does Alzadar's 'look how many games so and so have played' shit list keep popping up?
I honestly can't believe anyone at all thought it had any use whatsoever.
I'm debating voting Req for a couple of reasons.
First of all, shitting on town tactics and atmosphere is scum motive---causes confusion, demoralizes, makes people angry.
Second, there is barely any effort being put forward.
The issue of course is the fact that this could simply be how Req plays the game of mafia. Soniv I'm interested in your thoughts. You know why. In fact I think I asked for your opinion on something else a little earlier and I'm not sure if you gave it.
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And for those talking about how they didn't know:
On October 10 2014 00:33 Dandel Ion wrote:
I should probably note that that is absolutely not required since I'm going to completely RNG the roles and alignments
No johns, ladies and gents.
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On October 12 2014 04:24 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 04:20 Requizen wrote:
I asked because I skipped a handful of posts per page and skimmed the rest. As I said, my play time is limited D1 and N1 and my reading time is low, so I genuinely don't know.
As to people thinking I'm scum because my posts are stupid, you're going to feel awfully silly when you realize I'm just Vanilla and have no clue how to play the game. But hey, if noob = scum then you got me. pls, this is like a play I would make in live mafia. d1 policy lynch inc Note I was always town whenever I get policy-lynched in live.
Sorely tempted.
SORELY tempted.
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On October 12 2014 04:25 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 04:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol. MB see my post directed at Req above.
Why the fuck does Alzadar's 'look how many games so and so have played' shit list keep popping up?
I honestly can't believe anyone at all thought it had any use whatsoever. It was also wrong. Clearly had a 67% margin of error at least.
See now my fire is going.
I feel exhilarated.
Swaglord shall we stomp some fucking scum?
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Trial by fire yo.
No mercy, I stated it before the game started.
You don't want to be lynched, then do something about it.
Play the game.
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So here's a question for you MB.
You dropped a wall of text all focused on me, and then right at the end of it, dropped everything again and said this:
So reverse we shall away from the focus of "he said, she said" details and to engagement. Lord Tolkein, AsmodeusXI and Requizen have the absolute worst engagement out of everyone here. Out of them Lord Tolkein has played 3 games and the other have never played before.**** I honestly think we should be talking about them. Asmo has said he will post again later but Tolkein and Req's posts have just been weird.
No conclusions.
No analysis.
DICK ALL.
You scum?
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Like what the fuck was the point of your entire post?
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Stop talking about reversing.
If you are going simply by how engaged people are in the game I should tell you two things.
First of all, I don't think I have ever seen a game in all of my time on mafia where the person with the largest filter was scum. It's simply impossible to keep up that level of discussion without being afraid of slipping or actually doing so.
Second, the above probably doesn't apply to me, especially in this game, at least from other people's POVs.
On October 12 2014 04:37 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 04:32 WaveofShadow wrote:So here's a question for you MB. You dropped a wall of text all focused on me, and then right at the end of it, dropped everything again and said this: So reverse we shall away from the focus of "he said, she said" details and to engagement. Lord Tolkein, AsmodeusXI and Requizen have the absolute worst engagement out of everyone here. Out of them Lord Tolkein has played 3 games and the other have never played before.**** I honestly think we should be talking about them. Asmo has said he will post again later but Tolkein and Req's posts have just been weird. No conclusions. No analysis. DICK ALL. You scum? what is there to analyze? The only "analysis" I've seen from anyone is they "have a feeling" based on nothing. That's not a conclusion that's a joke.
Req you have to start somewhere. Mafia games would never go anywhere at all if people didn't start posting and make conjecture. You'd actually be surprised how many times 'feelings' can be correct because they're often based on the 'tone' of people's posts. You want to know how you can start properly contributing? Stop shitting on everything everyone is doing.
My point against MB is based on the fact that he goes into in-depth analysis (even though it's wrong) about me, then shifts the entire focus of his post in the last paragraph, talks about where he feels the REAL focus should be, and yet in that very same post does exactly what he feels we should be doing by focusing on me and not offering any insight into why he feels the three of you are specifically suspicious. Believe me, there is plenty of analysis that could be dne.
My reason to vote Asmo, for example---I've lynched scum for far less.
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Req I'm telling you right now, I'm not going to spend time arguing with you over how the game should be played and what you should or shouldn't be doing.
You can either contribute in a positive fashion and help the town win (assuming you're town) or you can swing by the neck until you are dead (or possibly be shot..?). Your current demeanor/attitude suggests you'd rather have the latter.
Entirely your choice.
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On October 12 2014 04:42 ketchup wrote:
The Cixah bandwagon is too real. Especially when coming from Alzadar and GhandiEagle. Wave is looking more and more townie just because people want to parrot previous arguments against him for badly thought out logic.
Moonbear's post was fairly terror. I hoped he would provide more. So moonbear, who are your top scum now that you know this game isn't rigged? There's no way only one person is scum to you right now right?
Requizen, I'll keep asking until you answer. Who are scum and who are town for you?
Elaborate on this. Does this mean you think Cixah is likely town?
And while I won't disagree with your conclusion on me, do you think scum would want to avoid being caught pushing/parroting badly thought out logic?
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On October 12 2014 04:46 Alzadar wrote:
Bandwagon? I was the first to suspect Cixah, decided to actually vote cause Wave seems antsy to have us vote, and I trust him as our fearless Townie leader.
Strategic talk: if you hold the oldest vote on someone (as Ghandhi did), you shouldn't change it arbitrarily, you're giving up tiebreak power.
Strategically speaking, he knows very well there is no way in hell I get lynched today so it doesn't matter.
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Reaaallllyyyy want to hear from joey joe joe carlson the 4th now that activity has picked up.
As for the rest of you, take a good look at Asmo's few posts. Especially those that are voting Req for making excuses/martyring.
Why are we not lynching [red]Asmo[red] right now?
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Jeff you're hereby ignored until you post something of substance.
Except for voting posts that is, and while you're not my #1 priority at this point, keep testing me.
6ah, I'm tempted to /facepalm at that claim because it really doesn't do us a whole lot of good at this point, and makes rolesniping a little easier for scum. I mean unless you really thought you were getting lynched today (not even 24h in..?)
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On October 12 2014 04:58 Cixah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 04:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
Jeff you're hereby ignored until you post something of substance.
Except for voting posts that is, and while you're not my #1 priority at this point, keep testing me.
6ah, I'm tempted to /facepalm at that claim because it really doesn't do us a whole lot of good at this point, and makes rolesniping a little easier for scum. I mean unless you really thought you were getting lynched today (not even 24h in..?) It makes it easier for Scum how? I'm actually confused by that from a game play perspective, not from a "WHY DO YOU WANT ME DEAD" perspective.
Because ideally scum want to off blues/threatening presences at night, and now that they know you're not, they can avoid you.
Yes, it's possible this is a scum gambit to throw us off for a day, but I highly doubt you were going to be lynched today (I didn't want you gone thus far) and even if you were it would be terrible scumplay to fakeclaim this early.
I don't want to go any further with this because it's possible scum don't know what the proper what to have done this would be but as of this point 6ah is 99% town. Get your votes off him.
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Plz Alaric. I haven't done much? Even before MB's post?
SO much plz.
I get why (and soniv) are holding back on voting, but at the very least you do need to have some sort of direction and/or scum read to go off of. Are you leaning towards Jeff right now? if not, then who?
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On October 12 2014 05:29 Alaric wrote:
Oh God I wanted to write "weird that MB" and now it hurts my eye but I can't edit it out and correct it because Mafia!!§§
This game is torture for my inner grammar nazi.
My post is also a mess despite all the TL;DR so I'll try to explain it a bit better for Req (even though I think Wave would disapprove, since I guess he'd count it as giving scum information?).
You go on hunches, because people will fuck up and if they don't you want them to fuck up anyway. Once they do, you pin them to the wall and shove it under their nose and when they're unable to come up with a convincing explanation, you lynch them.
There are several postulates you can follow:
- scum are lurkers because they think the less they post, the less likely they are to slip up (that's where for example you can start voting against someone; if he's not afk that'll probably spring him into action as he doesn't want to die)
- when you lynch a scum, you examine who was defending it. I don't have much experience so I don't know how much it holds, but in the games I've played newbie scum would sometimes try to defend their teammates for fear that they'll be in a difficult situation if one of them gets lynched. So the next day people will look at them and say "Hey they were pretty adamant in their defense of X yesterday, wonder if they're scum too". It happens rarely though, because that implies somebody talked and that's so rare in my games. T_T
- on the contrary when scum talk it's not in their interest to make the game progress. They'll try to put town on the wrong tracks, push for lynching townies, or simply say a bunch of useless stuff so people lose time (and clarity of mind, there's so much to read wtf) with it, and in the meantime they can't be accused of lurking since they posted.
That's Wave's beef with Moonbear for example (even moreso because Moonbear used metaphors and stuff to colour his post I'd wager).
So if you want to help you can analyse people's posts, and try to formulate you deductions/hunches/"reads" in a concise way, or interrogate people you find suspicious.
Basically, be proactive and efficient in hunting down scum.
This doesn't exactly fall into the realm of 'giving scum information' because it's more 'general strategy' than the specific strategies of claims/fakeclaims/counterclaims. If this makes people like MB/Req stop bitching about 'lolz D1 useless' than I'm fine with it.
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