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On October 11 2014 10:56 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 10:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 11 2014 10:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 11 2014 10:45 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 11 2014 10:39 ketchup wrote:On October 11 2014 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 11 2014 10:23 ketchup wrote:
I honestly would have been less suspicious of Wave if all his post said was to vote ghandi because he is young as shit. Instead he had to color code everything! The color coding is way too strong for me. Wave please QQQQ What about the colour coding makes me suspicious, o delicious condiment? It's too try hard sir! I didn't expect that from you, nor do I think it was completely innocent in it's intention. QQThe Alzadar posts so far are actually the most suspicious because it doesn't really help townies at all while pretending to give out information. The games played especially means nothing despite the effort put in to make it seem that way. Elaborate on this, please. You seem to think that 'trying' is inherently scummy and I'm not following. As for your expectations and my intentions, how would you have any idea of either when you haven't played with me before? This is boring so far. I'm bored. Why aren't people voting for scum? And what scum are these? Jeff? It's going to take more than a sweeping declarative first post saying "vote jeff" to make me want to vote anyone right now. It shouldn't. Sonib what make you of the yung ketchup and his seeming absolute refusal to take any real stance whatsoever? What makes you think I have no real stance? I am just testing the waters, and seeing who responds in what way. I find that much more interesting than pretending that color coding anything helps anyone in game 
^ this basically would have been my response to wave
Idk about you wave, but back in my day, we didn't just know who scum were right off the bat. We had to work at it, poke around, dig through trash to figure it out.
In all seriousness though, I'm with ketchup on Alzadar's posting. Going so far as to let a league game decide his side?
Jeff - why is Wave scum?
Wave - why is Jeff scum?
ketchup - do you think Wave's color coding is actually scummy? Or are you just calling it distracting to nitpick?
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On October 11 2014 11:01 Alzadar wrote:
So ketchup's strat is clearly to accuse everyone else of making useless posts while making no useful posts.
I assume there's a bunch of euros we won't hear from for awhile, who is there other than frenchie?
And your strat is continuing to post useless crap and ask questions that you can certainly figure out on your own.
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On October 11 2014 11:12 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 11:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 11 2014 10:56 ketchup wrote:On October 11 2014 10:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 11 2014 10:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 11 2014 10:45 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 11 2014 10:39 ketchup wrote:On October 11 2014 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 11 2014 10:23 ketchup wrote:
I honestly would have been less suspicious of Wave if all his post said was to vote ghandi because he is young as shit. Instead he had to color code everything! The color coding is way too strong for me. Wave please QQQQ What about the colour coding makes me suspicious, o delicious condiment? It's too try hard sir! I didn't expect that from you, nor do I think it was completely innocent in it's intention. QQThe Alzadar posts so far are actually the most suspicious because it doesn't really help townies at all while pretending to give out information. The games played especially means nothing despite the effort put in to make it seem that way. Elaborate on this, please. You seem to think that 'trying' is inherently scummy and I'm not following. As for your expectations and my intentions, how would you have any idea of either when you haven't played with me before? This is boring so far. I'm bored. Why aren't people voting for scum? And what scum are these? Jeff? It's going to take more than a sweeping declarative first post saying "vote jeff" to make me want to vote anyone right now. It shouldn't. Sonib what make you of the yung ketchup and his seeming absolute refusal to take any real stance whatsoever? What makes you think I have no real stance? I am just testing the waters, and seeing who responds in what way. I find that much more interesting than pretending that color coding anything helps anyone in game ^ this basically would have been my response to wave Idk about you wave, but back in my day, we didn't just know who scum were right off the bat. We had to work at it, poke around, dig through trash to figure it out. In all seriousness though, I'm with ketchup on Alzadar's posting. Going so far as to let a league game decide his side? Jeff - why is Wave scum? Wave - why is Jeff scum? ketchup - do you think Wave's color coding is actually scummy? Or are you just calling it distracting to nitpick? I don't think it's nitpicking. I think it was not something I imagined Wave doing as the first post after game started so I naturally am cautious around it. I admit I have not played with Wave, but I feel that post is 100% questionable, and should be pointed out. This is especially compounded by the fact that it was also a really quick vote on someone. So, I called him out on it.
Don't let the fact that he did something unexpected color your judgement - posting in a mafia game is completely different. Let what he says color your opinion.
@Cixah - trying to decide if wave is just being aggressive townie or taking advantage of the lesser experienced crowd to make a bold play. I'm feeling the former is probably correct - he can be a bloodhound when he wants to.
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Alzadar, you need to actually contribute.
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On October 11 2014 11:44 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +You said that you didn't 'expect that from me,' meaning that you must have some expectations as to how I play, yet I don't see how you could have any expectations since you don't know how I play. I mean, part of the reason I mentioned games played is we can actually look at them. Apparently you guys are particularly suspicious of me when I tryhard and get information, but we can just look at past game threads and see how Wave posts when he's mafia vs town.
But you're not getting useful information, you're just doing things that are seemingly helpful. Who are your scum reads?
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On October 11 2014 12:07 MoonBear wrote:
Hm if we don't vote to lynch someone Day 1 we end up in Day 2 where the Scum get a free kill in exchange for information that the cop people can get. However, how do the cop people communicate their findings to us? And how would we tell if the cop is a real cop or just someone pretending to be them?
It's kinda up to the cop(s?) to figure out how/when to convey that information to us. Then it's up to us to figure out whether or not to trust that information.
These are things that shouldn't be worried about right now, cop(s) will only have information by Day 2 at the earliest.
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On October 11 2014 12:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alzadar why does Jeff's posting make him scum?
(because he's not here to defend himself)
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On October 11 2014 22:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
I have to read the second half of your post but Alaric you are now officially my number one town read.
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Alaric, I love your skepticism, don't lose it.
Keep in mind, even if Jeff does flip red (assuming he ends up being the lynch target), that does not at all prove Wave's towniness on its own merit - bussing a teammate is a common strategy, and a scum Wave would know how to do it.
Wave's claiming protection was probably the sketchiest thing he's done thus far, but it's at least got viability behind it - if he comes out the gates as a super aggressive townie, pinpoints a scum and goes right for him, you bet your ass Wave will be a top priority scum target.
That said, Wave, we are still waiting for you to tell us why Jeff is scum. His posting is standard Jeff, which is unfortunate. I hope he starts taking the game seriously.
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@Cixah:
Swaglord is on your scummy list - ok, I agree. He has had bullshit, contentless posts thus far. But so has Jeff. There's not a whole lot to go on either of them, but Jeff is relatively fine in your eyes? Wave being your top read for the one reason you've given is honestly a bit silly.
Also - We will not know KP for sure until end of N1, and even then, all we'll know is how many people died. It won't tell us whether they're scum KP, town KP, etc. So we can get a rough idea once there's evidence, but speculating about numbers now, especially this early, isn't that useful.
That's all the "hard" thinking I can do until I get some coffee in me.
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On October 11 2014 22:52 Requizen wrote:
I'm ready for it to get a bit morw aggro, but right now it's just Ghandhi and Wave fighting.
I vote we kill them both and be done with it.
Are Jeff and Wave your scumreads? What do you think of Alzadar and Swaglord?
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On October 11 2014 23:45 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 22:37 Cixah wrote:On October 11 2014 22:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
6ah I'd like you to answer your own question towards me before I answer it.
Also, like much of what everyone else has posted, I'm not sure how anything you write against anybody there makes them scum.
Your points on alzadar are the most compelling of your three, though that's not saying a great deal since others have said it before. I think you did it just for the sake of starting the game which is fine. I just wanted your opinion before I generally just wrote off anything else said. Vanilla Town claim is awkward because it doesn't really further the game at all and yet here we are 3 pages later still talking about it. I don't like the call for protection that early. It makes me think you scummy because why wouldn't scum want steal the protect for their selves? Ghandi, Why are you a scum bag? You mean here you are still talking about it. Nobody else really did much. Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 22:52 Requizen wrote:
I'm ready for it to get a bit morw aggro, but right now it's just Ghandhi and Wave fighting.
I vote we kill them both and be done with it. lolwut Show me where we've been fighting. At least you're playing a little now. Alright good posts in the last little while. I'll come clean a little---it was obvious to some of you but to others not so much---I don't have anything concrete on Jeff. Wanted to see if I could make him play the game a little essentially and see how he'd react. It might be a little early to give that up right now but I grow bored of it and would like to focus people's attention elsewhere. My vote on him stays though until he does play the game---as people have said he has done nothing but troll and be typical Jeff at this point. If he's scum and is not help[ing town then great. If he's town and is being useless, I don't have a massive problem ridding the town of chaff D1 (though it would probably be better served as a vig shot if his play is still egregious). Soniv some questions for you, good buddy. You had no problem with my attack on Jeff at the start, but as time goes on you seem to take more and more issue with it? Why the change in opinion exactly? As far as people's opinions on my claiming protection---plz. Maybe 6ah can be excused a little bit for attacking me on it here (and whoever else did? I forget) but you Soniv....I dunno man. Of course it doesn't make any sense at all to ask for protection from a realistic POV at the start of the game before anything has happened. But it serves two purposes: first, early WIFOM against the scumteam if our protection does (and probably should imo) at least consider it. Second, a show of confidence and bravado seems to be exactly what town needed to stir things up just a little bit. The best reaction to my opening post however goes to Alaric who saw through everything basically immediately---on it's own that doesn't necessarily prove him town or scum, just an insightful player, but in combination with the fact that he came up with the exact same points in his posts that Soniv and I came up with in pregame on TS about Req and others exhibits a townie mindset, and good critical thinking that I think almost everyone else in the game lacks so far. People need to stop simply focusing on what I (and others) are posting but why? What is the motivation behind it? Is it scum or town, and why?
Because as time went on, you never provided a reason. I'm as up for a good Jeff-lynching as the next guy, but the longer someone goes without actually giving a reason, the more it falls apart.
You asked me to vote for someone, I said "no, give me a reason". You still didn't provide a reason, and as you've now admitted, your vote was for the exact reasons I knew it was, and it gained exactly as much traction as I said it would.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 11 2014 10:18 jcarlsoniv wrote:I've really only played 13 games? wow Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 10:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 11 2014 10:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:
sic 'em wave
I'm curious who's around tonight What, you're going to let me do all the work? I doubt we'll be lynching scum if I'm the only one voting...care to join me, frand? Oh, no no no, of course I wouldn't let you do all the work. But I'm sorry to disappoint, I tend to be a vote prude in the early days. It doesn't mean a whole lot right now, and unless I really want to pressure someone in particular (and think my vote will actually do that), I keep my vote in my pocket for a bit.
He has no fear of actually being lynched, even if several people jumped on it because D1 is almost never as clean cut as that. Now that we're starting to move towards the halfway point, votes and cases will actually hold some clout.
I'm reserving my thoughts on Asmo until he makes more than 1 shitty post. Actually that goes for most of y'all, make some [less shitty] posts.
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On October 12 2014 00:12 WaveofShadow wrote:I've caught scum on single posts before. It's completely doable. I still think Jeff has a reasonable chance of flipping scum, but Asmo's right now is higher. The problem I have with you is you do a lot of sitting back and watching/waiting and you are very reserved in terms of your stance taking. You take your time to answer a lot of other people's questions, and ask some of your own, great. But where is your direction? You have none that I can see, and I don't like it. You're aimlessly floating wherever the thread goes. I think I had a townread on you earlier but that has pretty much dissipated. + Show Spoiler +Meta says this is perhaps how you play, but it doesn't look great and meta is shit anyway.
lol your spoiler was my answer
I agree that you can absolutely catch someone off of one post. But there's one thing you have to remember - we're in a game with people who have never played mafia before. I totally remember my first game and having no idea what to post. That said, I did post, and while you really want to pressure people, I'm trying to get the lay of the land.
In the last two games I've played, I tried to be super aggressive and confident about my reads. They were almost all awful - see your league game and whatever game we played in together before that. On top of that, I've always been reserved D1, so I'm sorry if that offends your oppa gungho style, but that's the way it's going to be for now.
My direction - Alzadar is scummiest. If he continues to not give real posts in the face of me continually telling him to contribute, then I will happily lynch his face away. Swaglord and Jeff are equally scummy in my eyes, if not a bit more on swaglord because I expected more from him, but I don't remember if I've actually played with him. Alaric is the towniest townie that ever did town.
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On October 12 2014 00:31 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 00:22 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I also gotta read more closely to find the scummers. I'm mostly posting on the principle that a few crappy townie posts are better than scum lurking. Content is better than crappy posts. Meta says Tolkien is trolly but I've only seen one game of his so again, not going off of that. I truly don't have a problem with Tolkien right now and don't find him scummy---I imagine he'll return to actually post something of substance soon. I don't remember you being aggressive or confident in either of the games you listed, and it's weird that you would defend yourself with meta by saying that you're playing differently from your town games. As for your direction the post on Alzadar is all well and good, but telling somebody to contribute, and on top of that issuing an ultimatum for all to see with no balls behind the post, and giving him plenty of wiggle room by describing exactly how he must appease you---what does that accomplish exactly?
I issued an ultimatum? I wouldn't call it that, but ok, why is that entirely a bad thing. You're asking me to take a stance, and then when I do, you yell at me for taking too hard of a stance?
How am I describing exactly how to appease me? By telling him he has to make real posts? Well yeah, I'd love to see some real posts so I can figure out his mindset, his motivations, his reads. And if he doesn't do anything to alter the opinion I have of him already, then yes, I will be happy to lynch him. I don't see why that's odd. And as far as I see it, you dicked around with a fake read that went nowhere, while I actually did have a scumread. Your Asmo scumread only comes recently (although I'll admit you have a fair chance right now of being right on that one).
Hey BoonMear, what's on your mind? Your only contribution was a question about how cops should communicate their findings. Why is your interest only in the po-pos? What do you think about wave? About me?
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On October 12 2014 00:39 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 21:52 Cixah wrote:
Question for Alzadar: How Town is Wave for you?
Wave is 70% Town. At this point he's really driving the discussion, I don't think he would such a central role if he was scum. I'd like to mention that MoonBear and ComaDose have made only the same kind of "observation with no conclusion" style posts that you all seem suspicious of me for. Which leads me to say - I feel like there must be some scum among those who are suspicious of me: after Wave and Soniv declared their suspicion I became an easy target for people to say "oh I'm suspicious of Alz" without actually contributing anything new. ketchup in particular has focused entirely on Wave and myself (both of us already being under suspicion when he did), and has basically only repeated arguments other people had already said.
Ok, so who among your accusers (there really only have been a few) do you believe to be scum? Ketchup was actually fairly early on in the Alzadar and Wave suspicions. Do you think ketchup is scum? If not, who?
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Oh wow, things happened.
Cixah, not sure why you claimed that early... I don't think you're in any real danger of being lynched.
Ugh, now I'm incredibly torn. MoonBear, while your post was glorious and fun to read, it was utterly useless. You can't take 80% of your post talking about wave and his behavior, not come to a conclusion, and then go off on some other non-conclusion bearing tangent. It's a huge "look at me I'm contributing" post, but there is 0 substance.
Req is scummy as fuck because of newbie claiming. T_T
The longer jeff goes without contributing, the scummier he looks. Swaglord is looking likely town for me.
Jesus fucking christ the claims lol. If everyone's VT, then nobody is!
On October 12 2014 05:31 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 05:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Can people stop making silly VT claims D1? Super annoying. Sorry, starting to realize how dumb this is. Staph blaming... super noob here.
god and the noob claims
can we just lynch everyone?
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y'know what? fuck it
##vote: MoonBear
You can, in fact, continue on the "he said, she said", that's how this game works. And y'know what you've said? Nothing. But you, more than any of the others who've done the same, come off as faux-contribution. Moreso than Alzadar. Asking about cops, trying to discern the setup, having 0 conclusions.
THE BEAR'S BLOOD WILL DRAIN RED
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On October 12 2014 05:40 Cixah wrote:It's my first game, sorry  . I've watch enough voice mafia to have my head say 'You probably shouldn't do this.' but I didn't feel safe with how hard and fast that bandwagon came at me. It still doesn't sit right with me how fast those 3 votes came out of the gate against me. Curious though, What made You (Soniv) and Wave think I wasn't getting lynch D1?
Because I have no reason right now to believe you're scum. There are definitely more proper targets than you right now. Bandwagons happen, votes shift a lot. There's still an entire second half of the day phase to get through.
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On October 12 2014 05:44 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 05:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:y'know what? fuck it ##vote: MoonBearYou can, in fact, continue on the "he said, she said", that's how this game works. And y'know what you've said? Nothing. But you, more than any of the others who've done the same, come off as faux-contribution. Moreso than Alzadar. Asking about cops, trying to discern the setup, having 0 conclusions. THE BEAR'S BLOOD WILL DRAIN RED + Show Spoiler + I hate that I like this post so much because I don't fully trust you yet I asked you a couple things in my filter, care to answer them? (I forget where or what they are lulz)
About Req? I'm seeing exactly what I expected, and I'm still trying to decide if he's being normal Req or if he's playing us. Either way I think there are probably better targets for D1? I understand the difficulty of D1 analysis, it's tough to figure out, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there for now. What I don't like is the continual complaining instead of attempting to emulate others and figure it out.
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On October 12 2014 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 05:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 12 2014 05:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 12 2014 05:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:y'know what? fuck it ##vote: MoonBearYou can, in fact, continue on the "he said, she said", that's how this game works. And y'know what you've said? Nothing. But you, more than any of the others who've done the same, come off as faux-contribution. Moreso than Alzadar. Asking about cops, trying to discern the setup, having 0 conclusions. THE BEAR'S BLOOD WILL DRAIN RED + Show Spoiler + I hate that I like this post so much because I don't fully trust you yet I asked you a couple things in my filter, care to answer them? (I forget where or what they are lulz) About Req? I'm seeing exactly what I expected, and I'm still trying to decide if he's being normal Req or if he's playing us. Either way I think there are probably better targets for D1? I understand the difficulty of D1 analysis, it's tough to figure out, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there for now. What I don't like is the continual complaining instead of attempting to emulate others and figure it out. Alright well assuming you aren't playing ME, you have my axe if you so desire. I think my one reservation here is the open bluefishing (regarding both Req/MB), unless we are to believe that scum Req/MB are newbie enough to not realize that's a no-no. They also truly seem to believe what he posted about the D1 being useless thing. Actually just realizing now how similar in attitude both MB and req have been. That's interesting.
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On October 12 2014 05:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Soniv, why MB instead of Alz? Alz is still the better read for me, especially since he's been mia since we turned against him.
Because Alz started posting contentless stuff, but has contributed at least a bit (even if I don't agree with what he's saying). MB has gone above and beyond to say less than nothing.
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On October 12 2014 05:55 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 12 2014 05:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 12 2014 05:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 12 2014 05:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:y'know what? fuck it ##vote: MoonBearYou can, in fact, continue on the "he said, she said", that's how this game works. And y'know what you've said? Nothing. But you, more than any of the others who've done the same, come off as faux-contribution. Moreso than Alzadar. Asking about cops, trying to discern the setup, having 0 conclusions. THE BEAR'S BLOOD WILL DRAIN RED + Show Spoiler + I hate that I like this post so much because I don't fully trust you yet I asked you a couple things in my filter, care to answer them? (I forget where or what they are lulz) About Req? I'm seeing exactly what I expected, and I'm still trying to decide if he's being normal Req or if he's playing us. Either way I think there are probably better targets for D1? I understand the difficulty of D1 analysis, it's tough to figure out, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there for now. What I don't like is the continual complaining instead of attempting to emulate others and figure it out. Alright well assuming you aren't playing ME, you have my axe if you so desire. I think my one reservation here is the open bluefishing (regarding both Req/MB), unless we are to believe that scum Req/MB are newbie enough to not realize that's a no-no. They also truly seem to believe what he posted about the D1 being useless thing. Actually just realizing now how similar in attitude both MB and req have been. That's interesting. yup Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 05:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Soniv, why MB instead of Alz? Alz is still the better read for me, especially since he's been mia since we turned against him. Because Alz started posting contentless stuff, but has contributed at least a bit (even if I don't agree with what he's saying). MB has gone above and beyond to say less than nothing.
also Alz's posting can easily be misconstrued as bad townie
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Yeah I'm not quite following either wave. Why would it be a problem to ask MB his reads - I would love to see him come to an actual conclusion as well.
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