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On October 12 2014 03:48 Requizen wrote:
Why is asking for roles scummy? Maybe people are more truthful than you'd like to believe.
Voting at this stage seems dumb. No one has said anything to out themselves in any real way, other than the really long posts which make me think they're too tryhard to be Town.
But I've never played TL mafia so what do I know.
Is that a real question? The only ones who would actually want to know what roles are this early is scum. There is no reason for anyone that is pro-town to declare their role. Asking for roles doesn't have anything to do with honesty or not. Also, for someone who actively participated in quite a few pages since the games started, you are pretending that you don't know who is declared as what. The only thing the post achieves is it gives you excuses to pretend that "you weren't paying attention" or something similar like that. There's also the fact that you don't declare anything yourself despite asking other people to do the same. I don't see that post as anything but scummy. So again, I'm asking you. If you had to make a decision right now, who do you see as scummy and who do you see as town? If nothing changes, I'm 100% voting on you because your post gives me a lot of red flags.
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On October 12 2014 04:14 MoonBear wrote:
snip so I dont repost it on the same page
I have a real problem with this post. Mostly, I think there's a lot of parroting and bandwagoning on in regards to Wave who isn't really even the biggest scum read for me. You talk about logic, and then pretend that dandel ion would specifically pick Wave to be mafia/a role just because of his veteran status. That cannot be true at all. The roles are all randomized. We all know this. There is no fudging in between. I have serious problems with that
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On October 12 2014 04:20 Requizen wrote:
I asked because I skipped a handful of posts per page and skimmed the rest. As I said, my play time is limited D1 and N1 and my reading time is low, so I genuinely don't know.
As to people thinking I'm scum because my posts are stupid, you're going to feel awfully silly when you realize I'm just Vanilla and have no clue how to play the game. But hey, if noob = scum then you got me.
That's exactly the bullshit excuse I was expecting from a scummy player. It's not difficult to pretend not to have been reading anything despite the fact that you have been actively posting since the first page the game has started. Again, what is your point for asking for roles? The only motivation I can see behind it is fairly scummy. I'm keeping my vote on you until you prove that you will actually help town win.
Who do you see as town and who do you see as scum?
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The Cixah bandwagon is too real. Especially when coming from Alzadar and GhandiEagle. Wave is looking more and more townie just because people want to parrot previous arguments against him for badly thought out logic.
Moonbear's post was fairly terror. I hoped he would provide more. So moonbear, who are your top scum now that you know this game isn't rigged? There's no way only one person is scum to you right now right?
Requizen, I'll keep asking until you answer. Who are scum and who are town for you?
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On October 12 2014 04:46 Alzadar wrote:
Bandwagon? I was the first to suspect Cixah, decided to actually vote cause Wave seems antsy to have us vote, and I trust him as our fearless Townie leader.
Strategic talk: if you hold the oldest vote on someone (as Ghandhi did), you shouldn't change it arbitrarily, you're giving up tiebreak power.
That is actually true. My mistake!
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On October 12 2014 05:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Claiming VT isn't a noob move per se, but it is obviously incredibly useless. I do it all the time in TL mafia games. I thought it was pretty obvious I did it for fun but people keep proving me wrong.
I saw it as a fun post, but I'll still definitely question you on it. I don't see why you would be irritated at that since this IS mafia, and that SHOULD have been the expected response. I found it as a fun post that I didn't like because it didn't help
town from my prespective. I also enjoyed putting pressure on you about it because at the time I didn't think it came from someone who wanted to help town. The fact that other people have parroted this though makes me think you are more likely town. It also helps that you are trying to find more information from various people even if you are trying hard to put yourself on team soniv
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Similarly, I really wanted to put pressure on Requizen so I voted on him. I don't like his posts so far, and I really don't enjoy when people say things like "i was skimming posts" and then pretending that he is too "newb" to be scum. I'm fairly certain everyone has a general gist of what this game is about, and it bothers me when people pretend they were not "paying attention" so they are free to ask scummy things. I don't see how people already put in him in their town list already. He is still scummy since he still doesn't give substance to many of his posts. I will keep my vote on Requizen until he gives more information in his posts or someone points out exactly why he is a bad vote. He could defend himself, but other people are defending him, which is weird. For example, both Alaric and Asmo have said they don't trust him, but don't want to see him die day 1. Why not?
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On October 12 2014 06:13 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 05:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Asmo, consider that the conclusions MB draws on me have nothing to do with the misunderstanding at all, nor does his current three 'feel-based' scumreads. My answer of which was constructed was to answer a question put forward to be my one Mr. Ketchup. I answered and I also prefaced that they are 100% not based on anything because D1 arguments are really silly anyway. Google says it means going fishing for bluefish which is confusing. Does this mean something specific in mafia?
Can you give any other people if we exclude Wave from the list please? Who else seems scummy to you so far?
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On October 12 2014 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 06:08 ketchup wrote:On October 12 2014 05:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Claiming VT isn't a noob move per se, but it is obviously incredibly useless. I do it all the time in TL mafia games. I thought it was pretty obvious I did it for fun but people keep proving me wrong. I saw it as a fun post, but I'll still definitely question you on it. I don't see why you would be irritated at that since this IS mafia, and that SHOULD have been the expected response. I found it as a fun post that I didn't like because it didn't help town from my prespective. I also enjoyed putting pressure on you about it because at the time I didn't think it came from someone who wanted to help town. The fact that other people have parroted this though makes me think you are more likely town. It also helps that you are trying to find more information from various people even if you are trying hard to put yourself on team soniv --- Similarly, I really wanted to put pressure on Requizen so I voted on him. I don't like his posts so far, and I really don't enjoy when people say things like "i was skimming posts" and then pretending that he is too "newb" to be scum. I'm fairly certain everyone has a general gist of what this game is about, and it bothers me when people pretend they were not "paying attention" so they are free to ask scummy things. I don't see how people already put in him in their town list already. He is still scummy since he still doesn't give substance to many of his posts. I will keep my vote on Requizen until he gives more information in his posts or someone points out exactly why he is a bad vote. He could defend himself, but other people are defending him, which is weird. For example, both Alaric and Asmo have said they don't trust him, but don't want to see him die day 1. Why not? And who is on 'team soniv' exactly? Soniv can be on my 'team' since everything he said upon his return echoed earlier thoughts of mine. Whose team are you on?
As for req it's a difficult situation because I've seen scum play this way and try to play up the fact that they're new and they can get away with it, but you also must consider the fact that everything req has posted so far could very well be genuine.
I don't know. I am not part of any team, and just playing my own way to help.
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On October 12 2014 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 06:13 MoonBear wrote:On October 12 2014 05:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Asmo, consider that the conclusions MB draws on me have nothing to do with the misunderstanding at all, nor does his current three 'feel-based' scumreads. My answer of which was constructed was to answer a question put forward to be my one Mr. Ketchup. I answered and I also prefaced that they are 100% not based on anything because D1 arguments are really silly anyway. On October 12 2014 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
open bluefishing Google says it means going fishing for bluefish which is confusing. Does this mean something specific in mafia? Don't know which I don't like more. MB's blatant persistence in being unapologetic for his misgivings this game, or Req throwing them in our face. I guess if you're new there really is no way around it. Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 06:16 ketchup wrote:On October 12 2014 06:13 MoonBear wrote:On October 12 2014 05:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Asmo, consider that the conclusions MB draws on me have nothing to do with the misunderstanding at all, nor does his current three 'feel-based' scumreads. My answer of which was constructed was to answer a question put forward to be my one Mr. Ketchup. I answered and I also prefaced that they are 100% not based on anything because D1 arguments are really silly anyway. On October 12 2014 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
open bluefishing Google says it means going fishing for bluefish which is confusing. Does this mean something specific in mafia? Can you give any other people if we exclude Wave from the list please? Who else seems scummy to you so far? This post seems a little silly since 'quantity of reads' isn't the issue we have with MB to begin with.
I don't think so. I'm just asking for him to give town more to work with. He can focus on you, or he can forget you for a few minutes. I don't really want to focus on you anymore, because you have had a lot of attention going your way. I wanted to see if he had any other people. Do you really want everything to be about you today as well?
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On October 12 2014 06:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
Obviously not and Ive stated so, but adding more useless reads to his list of the previous three does me no good. And on that note did you even read his post? He himself said he doesn't want to focus on me.
I don't understand. Why can't I ask him to actually give those reads since he didn't actually give them. I'm confused on what your problem is with that?
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Hi soniv
##unvote: Requizen
##vote: jcarlsoniv
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On October 12 2014 06:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:
care to explain?
Nope!
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On October 12 2014 06:48 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 06:16 ketchup wrote:On October 12 2014 06:13 MoonBear wrote:On October 12 2014 05:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Asmo, consider that the conclusions MB draws on me have nothing to do with the misunderstanding at all, nor does his current three 'feel-based' scumreads. My answer of which was constructed was to answer a question put forward to be my one Mr. Ketchup. I answered and I also prefaced that they are 100% not based on anything because D1 arguments are really silly anyway. On October 12 2014 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
open bluefishing Google says it means going fishing for bluefish which is confusing. Does this mean something specific in mafia? Can you give any other people if we exclude Wave from the list please? Who else seems scummy to you so far? Unless by this you just meant the original three he didn't discuss much.
Yes, I wanted more information from him about anything else. Doesn't matter what or who. I thought it would be nice to have. I just wanted to see him post more because I disliked his post on you a lot.
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Also, I am pretty tempted to vote on the lurkers/people not posting. Specifically comadose has been fairly comatose in his participation after those early exchanges.
I'd also like to see more from owb still.
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On October 12 2014 08:51 AsmodeusXI wrote:
So be it.
ketchup, why soniv? Don't be shy now.
Just playing around a bit in all honestly, and again I wanted to see how he would react. It was a simple trick, but he was very calm and rational.
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On October 12 2014 09:34 ComaDose wrote:
like wouldn't making baseless accusations be more scummy? i dont know becuase im new
Well, it's day 1 so it's not like anyone else will be making the most 100% spot-on accusations. Mostly, you have to go by player interaction, player activity, and stuff like that. Some people may give you bad vibes, and there's nothing wrong with that. Usually, you can ask this person(s) to clarify things they have said. Basically, you are attempting to get as much information as you can.
Who do you think is scummy in this game, and why are they that way to you?
##unvote jcarlsoniv
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Err sorry I quick edited the last part without thinking about it since I wanted to do it before too. QQ:
##Unvote: Jcarlsoniv
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I'm really confused by Wave's posts. He complains about people saying one thing, and never voting on the people they find suspicious. He then turns around and does the same thing. In the last two pages, he has mentioned moonbear, LordTolkien, and GhandiEagle. Yet, he has never voted on any of these people. To me, it seems like a scummy play which he can make because he seems to really want to control the flow of this game. I don't see it as a towny play because he causes confusion and it redirects a lot of the potential lynches over and over. He has done since the beginning, and he continues doing so.
The biggest issue I still have is that Wave seems like he really wants to control this game, and despite his efforts, it hasn't actually gotten us any closer to finding a real day 1 scummy player. Again, he has flip flopped multiple times on his top scum. He has also complained about multiple people not voting, but he has not actually voted for any of these guys. It is as if he is waiting for others to lead the charge so he can vote on them, and declare himself the best player ever.
I also dislike the interaction between Wave and Req when talking about LordTolkien. To me, it encompasses everything wrong with how Wave is playing this game. It was a lot of bread crumbing/hand holding from Wave to get Requizen to where he wanted him. If he is just playing a teacher town role, then it sucks. If Req had explained himself without that hand holding from Wave, we'd have much better reads.
Day 1 lynch on Wave is impossible I think, but I hope people don't just follow him blindly just because he has taken this teacher type role in the game.
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voting no lynch sucks, but i like it more than him trying to bandwagon on someone else's vote. It seems genuine here so I like it a lot.
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