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that wasn't the only thing I posted since then and i was pushing you before that too soniv.
that short comment came after the one that alaric didn't like (boo) and highlighted parts of that post. I cant be much poking the fire if I am not posting much.
i'm less confident because my two reads were soniv and ghandi and they seem to be distancing themselves from each other with accusations. I will revisit to see if it is a ploy.
I do KNOW that 3 townies voted for ghandi and that means 0 mafia put their vote there. Combining this with showing up when he was in danger to secure a moonbear kill I will put my money where my mouth is and ##Vote GhandiEAGLE not because he is a default vote, but for the reasons above and because I am not so sure about soniv. jeff did damage control during the night but didn't shake me.
wave mentioned that he changed his vote to soniv because he said that flipping him would reveal more information. I have been saying i thought soniv was scummy for a while if not in so many words. but flipping ghandi red would be so great for my townie cred i could become like the second innocent child. lord tolk seemed to think that soniv would be crazy to be so brazen about lynching moonbear if he was mafia, but he is still my second choice.
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I should have said everyone who left their vote on ghandi at the end, which was lord tolk, moonbear, and myself.
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a little more on ghandi: if you look at his last reads they are even more wishy washy than mine.
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On October 15 2014 00:03 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 23:43 ComaDose wrote:
but flipping ghandi red would be so great for my townie cred i could become like the second innocent child. Are you saying you'd be willing to be marked as scum if Ghandi flips green?
well the logic doesn't work in reverse but it certainly wouldn't look good for me. i am referring to what wave previously pointed out that i voted for ghandi when I was unfortunately otherwise occupied and im unlikely to vote for scum. (thank you by the way for acknowledging this, i havn't posted anywhere else on TL since friday becuase this is the only thread i could barely keep up with)
that no mafia voted for him is not enough alone but like i said in that post you didn't like, it seems to suggest that its more likely scum voted for moonbear too. since jeff bandwagoned on that i consider it two strikes.
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On October 15 2014 00:12 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I wonder why you're choosing to push so late in the game Coma? Did you find an opening, or just what you think is an easy, safe target?
not so late in the game. i wish i could have been here more earlier. we are still in the first half of day two we got time to change our/each others minds.
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heh i do tend to post mostly at work...
ghandi the safest thing would have been to get on the soniv bandwagon becuase it would have kept me out of the lynching chair. also im pretty sure im the only one that brought up our two dead people voted for you with me.
about req im not sure. he seemed so townie to me day one but he has grown a spine. I think he is giving good different views. also he voted for wave day 1 which doesn't seem scummy really cause its kinda a waste. since then he has acted like wave if someone questions him (i.e. spazing a bit or as cixah called it barking at the wind) its a bit hypocritical but maybe he's just grumpy? I cant really see anything hes doing being good for scum.
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well yeah in addition to the reasons i mentioned i also agree with the other things people called out about ghandi. the pressure was on for me to make a move to i moved on the person i believe is the most likely to be scum regardless of current bandwagoning and what would save my skin.
for some of the same reasons surrounding the death of moonbear I have been saying im not sure about soniv. i was saying this before wave came out with his big attack. but could they both be scum? it doesn't seem too likely.
if i have to pick a third? i don't know im not so keen on forgiving asmo so quickly for the bandwagon on moonbear. guessing what the mafia could be doing does seem townie, but i'm convinced there are scum among those who voted for moonbear, maybe i am focusing too much on that. but if asmo is scum he just attacked soniv so it seems unlikely they both are.
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Interestingly the people that joined the bandwagon to lynch me, like alaric and req, are at odds with soniv now making me feel like there is nothing to learn about mafia following soniv from that exchange. especially because neither of them voted for moonbear day 1.
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On October 15 2014 02:53 Alzadar wrote:
What do we learn from a Soniv lynch? If he's red then Jeff probably is too; the reverse is also true if we lynch Jeff.
can you explain this? i was inclined to believe the opposite because of them pushing each other lately. if that's true i would feel much better about my #1 and 2 reads.
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On October 15 2014 07:08 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 04:04 ComaDose wrote:
Interestingly the people that joined the bandwagon to lynch me, like alaric and req, are at odds with soniv now making me feel like there is nothing to learn about mafia following soniv from that exchange. especially because neither of them voted for moonbear day 1. That's actually exactly why I've went to you ComaDose: because everyone's on Soniv, I don't think town would get anything from me joining the party, so I investigated other people... like you, who got left off the hook thanks to the Soniv bandwagon. Maybe I misread, but you're wrong in that I did vote Moonbear (I wasn't sure of it and I fucked up, but I still voted him). There's something from your different posts, though. You've been mentioning Soniv, Ghandi, Asmo and (more or less) Req, but when trying to draw associations, you said: - Soniv + Ghandi scum is unlikely- Soniv + Asmodeus scum is unlikelySo you bring up names but then you invalidate them through associations. Are you saying that you're having trouble to commit (which is unfortunate because once someone flip it may be too late even if it gives you conclusions, if we mislynch), but that you think Soniv shouldn't be lynched? Who are your reads then? From looking at the recent posts in your filter it looks like you're leaning Ghandi+Asmo, but you're refusing to say the word.
yeah I am second guessing my reads for the reasons i mentioned in those posts. just trying to get my thought process out in the open in case anyone has anything to add.
no doubt about me feeling the ghandi scum as that is where my vote presently lies for the reasons i outlined. my confusion about associations isn't strong enough to move my vote yet. But like i said him and soniv argued on the next page and i also had been leaning toward soniv for a while. also like i said I didn't want to forgive asmo so quickly for the not so explained jump on moonbear wagon but then he made an elaborate post calling for a lynch on soniv (which convinced a lot of people he wasnt scum). hmmm i just dont know i should even be trying so hard to draw connections between the three and maybe i should just be focusing more on identifying one bad one as opposed to connections between them. It wouldn't be hard to stage conflict.
that's another reason i asked alzadar to confirm why he thought ghandi and soniv were likely both red if one of them is. if i can understand his reasoning i could approach this differently.
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also yes thanks for correcting me i somehow messed up saying you didn't vote for moonbear.
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ghandi i never said anything about you lurking tho
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aye jeff stop discrediting me out of hand.
i said - no mafia voted for you, you switched to moonbear when in threat (i.e. joined townie linch band wagon), and your reads since were wishy washy. now i want to add the discrediting me out of hand too because you don't really address my points. ive already addressed the new point that i brought up.
i didnt say nuthin bout hunting lurkers (that would be pretty hyprocritical of me)
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i mean to say i already pointed out the new point that i brought up ... fuckin edits
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oh sorry i didnt read carefully enough and you did say
I feel like he's using my infamy for his safety.
without really combating my points so i thought you were continueing that line of thought in defense instead of reading me.
im not a lurker anymore guys i ate all the turkey and my bff is back in B.C.
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whats so wrong with my content.... 
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besides the lack there of
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since everyone has voted for jeff or soniv now does that mean that the mafia votes lie there as well? does that imply one of them arn't scum? should the town consolidate their votes onto someone to see who resists?
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i cant tell if ghandi is convincing or desperate
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