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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 12 2014 23:50 GMT
#759
##Vote Moonbear

I guess this is how this is going to down? I don't like the lynch based on what i've seen, I even think Ghandi is still the better pick even if he claimed vanilla town. I don't buy that claim either TBH, We'll have to wait and see after the night.

What's happening with coma then?
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 12 2014 23:50 GMT
#760
##Vote Moonbear

Not sure if the bold matters or not but here.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 13 2014 00:24 GMT
#786
Is staying quiet during night a thing? I feel like that's a thing.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 13 2014 03:45 GMT
#805
Right now I'm willing to live in a world where One of Soniv and Wave is scum.

There is still the posibility that both are scum, but it's not likely as someone has stated before. Atleast I remember reading it I'm not sure who said it. I'm going to sleep on it for now, I'll have a better look come morning.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 13 2014 15:08 GMT
#820
On October 13 2014 23:29 Requizen wrote:
Maybe it's just early for a lot of people, but this thread should not be this dead during the night. Town needs to be discussing the action for the next day and posting discussion about yesterday's failed lynching.

I have a large post coming soon, don't make me double.


Here's what I've been thinking,

I have two major possibilities that I believe in, One where either Soniv or Wave are scum. This make sense if you read more about their play on the moonbear lynch. Wave is the only one of the two that mentioned the possibility Moonbear turning up blue, which he did not, which shows a more town facing role in trying to get the lynch away from moonbear. Soniv however, expressed thoroughly that he thought moonbear would flip red which shows an agressive town approach in trying to hunt and get the right lynch on D1. Both of them come to the same agreement, which while wrong on the town facing side, both write it off as "acceptable" losses due to how Moonbear "played" or acted.

At the moment they both seem to have conflicting points of view while also not really drawing any hate for the actions at one another. This could also just be a rouse and BOTH could be Scum due to the following point,

Wave early in his posting, mentions his "Pre Game" strategy with Soniv in TS. I may be completely in the wrong for thinking this, but that phrase doesn't sit right with me in game with so much information being gleamed from every word. I Part of me thinks this was just the decided code on how they can mention the quickthread, but that's really loose reasoning. Most likely Paranoid, but it felt like something worth bringing up on N1.

With Moonbear actually turning up VT, we can't really glean any useful information as most of his posts don't really go anywhere. Either circular or just nothing in them.

I don't really feel like giving any other reads right now due to night kills likely being decided. I don't think I'm on it? But if Scum has a poisoner I could see me being the target.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 13 2014 15:09 GMT
#821
I didn't want to hit post yet, but I have to get back to work. I'll see if i can't post more during lunch.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 13 2014 20:09 GMT
#966
On October 14 2014 04:41 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 04:31 Alzadar wrote:
MoonBear (6): jcarlsoniv, Lord Tolkien, AsmodeusXI, GhandiEAGLE, Alaric, ketchup, AsmodeusXI, WaveofShadow, jcarlsoniv, Cixah

So who voted for MoonBear and why?

On October 12 2014 05:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:
y'know what? fuck it

##vote: MoonBear

You can, in fact, continue on the "he said, she said", that's how this game works. And y'know what you've said? Nothing. But you, more than any of the others who've done the same, come off as faux-contribution. Moreso than Alzadar. Asking about cops, trying to discern the setup, having 0 conclusions.

THE BEAR'S BLOOD WILL DRAIN RED

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Soniv was first here. This was still pretty early and I think he had some solid reasoning, it's similar to why I suspected MB.

Later he unvotes because he thinks MoonBear is going to be modkilled but revotes when MoonBear appears. I don't mind Soniv sticking to his guns here, MB was definitely suspicious. Dunno what I think of Soniv being completely unswayed by Wave's blue assertion.

Tolkien was next, seems like a straightforward vote. Was still early in the day and the other main candidate at the time was himself, so not surprising he would vote the other way. Later he was a big MoonBear defender.

On October 13 2014 03:59 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Sticking with Moonbear because I feel bad about no-votes, but I'm not 100% convinced.

##Vote: Moonbear


Ghandhi next, he just completely jumped on the bandwagon. Voted Wave early, which obviously wasn't going to happen, then hopped on the MB train and sat there happily till night.

Asmo felt it was between Ghandhi and MB, Ghandhi posted a wall that convinced him a bit so he flipflopped back to MoonBear. Doesn't seem too suspicious.

Alaric posts fucking massive walls, wtf. He voted and then said this:
On October 13 2014 07:13 Alaric wrote:
On the other hand, just because it's Moonbear's first game doesn't mean he's not maybe better at this kind of things than you. An issue for me here is that I have no idea what "serious" Moonbear is like, since he's always that jolly cheerful fellow with us in the off-topic thread (heck, even when he warns me it's more like "PSA from your friendly neighbour"!), which muddies my expectations.
But in the end I said I'd rather vote for someone dubious than an afk*, so I'm looking at him right now.
Moonbear, what that means is that you're close to a default lynch than a 100% scum read for me, so if you wanna stay alive it's up to you buddy! Be convincing, preferable before I go to bed.


I think most can agree that MB was not convincing that he wasn't scum. Which maybe he thought was alright since he was Vanilla.

You've all discussed Wave already.

Cixah's post is weird:
On October 13 2014 08:50 Cixah wrote:
##Vote Moonbear

I guess this is how this is going to down? I don't like the lynch based on what i've seen, I even think Ghandi is still the better pick even if he claimed vanilla town. I don't buy that claim either TBH, We'll have to wait and see after the night.


You think Ghandhi is a better pick, so you vote MoonBear when it was still within a vote of being Jeff? Obviously the IC claim makes it hard to suspect Cixah but you better believe if it doesn't get announced tomorrow that you are gonna swing.

From all that, Ghandhi is the most suspicious. Either completely bandwagony Townie or scum happy to sit on a mislynch without really debating the issue.

This is a good post. I agree with many of these deductions.

The biggest point in the context of this post is clearly Cixah. I hadn't paid much attention to how he posted into his vote, but in this light, if he doesn't flip IC, he's immediately suspicious. You don't go with your #2 to kill someone you're not sure of.


My reasoning for the vote of moonbear was strictly due to time. I couldn't come up with a case strong enough to convince myself at the time that Ghandi was a better lynch. I may have counted wrong but I was fairly certain that Moonbear had 5 at the time to Ghandi's three. If I couldn't convince myself that it was a better lynch what chance did I have of convincing anyone else?

I will flip green tomorrow.
I do not want protection for tonight, nor do I think it's a good idea. If there is anyone in the thread that probably should have it would be Alaric, Asmo, or Wave.

This game is akward, every time I ask myself who I think Scum is I get 5 potential different answers and Non of them have over lapping people with exception to maybe ghandi, but even then that plays on if you think he's just posting like a jackass or if he's trying to just distract and save face at the moment.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 14 2014 00:39 GMT
#1026
On October 14 2014 09:38 Dandel Ion wrote:
yo i forgot to do this publicly at game start: Mafia have 1 factional Killing Power per night.

party on


Can I get a little bit of insight on what this means? It helps math.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 14 2014 02:06 GMT
#1054
I'm legit frustrated my internet died an swallowed my post with it. I have to get to bed, but one thing I'm sure of, if waves vote comes off ghandi in the next 18 hours. He's the scummiest guy in the world.

I'll post what I can tomorrow. I'll be in meetings most of the morning, but I've got a treat of an idea.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 14 2014 02:37 GMT
#1062
Guilty of what ghandi? I was just mid confirmed to be town. I've always been town facing yet you've done nothing relevant to the game at all.

Here is what I think happened at night.

1) the scum do not have a role blocker. If they did, it is likely it would have been used on me in order to prevent the mod confirm from going out giving them a free mislynch on day 2.

2) I think the Vigi shot LT. The posts at he posts at the start if day 2 give me that feeling based in the remorseful ness of a few players.

3) I think the scum used their shot in Alaric in hopes of the protect not being there.

4) Cop checked soniv or ghandi. We'll have to wait and see but one of these two turned up red.

After all that, Coma, owb and Alaric need to post and they need to post now.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 14 2014 02:43 GMT
#1065
Fucking phone autocorrect. I need a tablet, half that post didn't even make sense. I'm going to bed before I break my phone in frustration.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 14 2014 02:52 GMT
#1067
If that's the case it's likely that they didn't know either then. It's a role just like any other listed in the ot, I see no reason why it couldn't have been blocked too.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 14 2014 09:20 GMT
#1122
Wave I still don't sit right with you pulling your Vote off of Ghandi. Ghandi's voting pattern and who is he voting with and against are consistently 100% against town. Why the change of heart when everything he's said practically shows he'll flip red?

Ketchup's roleblock claim is odd. I'm not going into speculating roles, but I still think the Scum don't have a role block and Ketchup's RB on him was likely due to a town using his power at night. I'll have to go back and check fliters, but that seems the most likely to me. This is because it makes too much sense for the RB, assuming scum had one, to be on me for the easiest Mislynch NA.

Requizen, your post pattern feels weird. You've gone from wounded sheep to a toothless blood hound barking at at the wind. I'm unsure what to think yet, but there is still some merit to your Scum read IMO.

I really need alaric to post. It's going on too long at this point for me to not think something is up there.

Questions for today:
Soniv, Red or Not? (this is for everyone).
Wave, Why did you move from Ghandi?
Asmo, Talk to me about Req and OWB. I get your feeling on Soniv, it makes sense in one of my scenarios but I need to know more about the others. Who are Scum #2 and #3?
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 14 2014 09:43 GMT
#1123
Also, when you get a chance Dandel, can we get a vote recap?
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 14 2014 11:31 GMT
#1128
I'm posting and working at the same time.

I'm not sure yet. I really want Soniv to say almost anything at all, Alaric too. Way too many people being silent and not actually being in here. It is stupid oclock in the morning so i'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

My idea on the RB not being used on me is more than likely scum not knowning that they could. Leads me to think that 1) there aren't any vets on Scum or 2) I'm being baited hard.

Soniv feels red, especially of late, but I need a post from him to confirm it.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 14 2014 11:49 GMT
#1131
'm not really sure what specifically I'm looking for in Soniv's post. His filter is too sporadic in the opinion of people, not to mention everyone he's pushed on has been lynched or be offed. That' seems to be everyone's major gripe for him, but I'm not ready to vote him yet.

There is an AWFUL lot of red posting in this thread for me. Everyone has something that makes them red to me. While that's obviously not possible, there seems to be no one consistent in who their list is.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 14 2014 15:00 GMT
#1147
On October 14 2014 23:58 Requizen wrote:
I have no opinions on Soniv.


Too late in the day for that Req. You need an opinion and you need one now.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 14 2014 17:56 GMT
#1186
Dandel if you get a chance can we get an updated vote soon?


Soniv is pushing heavy to get everything off him, which is good. However everything said by him does nothing but deflect attention for me. If Req is really your scum read soniv, What Committal opinon do you have on Req?

Req isn't helping matters but I still have no reason to distrust him yet. I Like his position less and less especially over the last 4 hours but he's still town to me. Req, you need to find something to you can stand on, and soon otherwise I think you swing soon.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 14 2014 18:00 GMT
#1190
On October 15 2014 02:59 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2014 02:56 Cixah wrote:
Dandel if you get a chance can we get an updated vote soon?


Soniv is pushing heavy to get everything off him, which is good. However everything said by him does nothing but deflect attention for me. If Req is really your scum read soniv, What Committal opinon do you have on Req?

Req isn't helping matters but I still have no reason to distrust him yet. I Like his position less and less especially over the last 4 hours but he's still town to me. Req, you need to find something to you can stand on, and soon otherwise I think you swing soon.


I don't quite know what you're asking here. Could you clarify?


You keep stating that he's deflecting the question that has him pinned on Scum. Which question are you refering to and How does NOT answering it or giving a STRAIGHT answer make him scum?
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 14 2014 18:10 GMT
#1195
On October 15 2014 03:08 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2014 02:59 Requizen wrote:
On October 15 2014 02:51 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 15 2014 02:48 Requizen wrote:
@Soniv

Did you purposefully ignore the post I made about you 5 posts after that?

On October 14 2014 04:37 Requizen wrote:
I don't know on Soniv. Again, like Alz, his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean. I like how he was on MB from early and stuck with it, so he wasn't really flip-floppy. Even if it was wrong, I like how he put down a feeling and then stuck with it rather that throwing his vote wherever.

But, his discussions (while moving the thread along), rarely give any of his own opinions. Other than his read on MB and an early read list, most of it is just talking about other player's reads until the end of the day rolled around. This doesn't scream scum to me, but it's very observer-like and lurky. Being around, talking without really drawing attention or saying anything that jumps can be a very effective stealth tool.


Like ketchup, you are "reading my filter" but ignoring the posts that make you look incorrect.

My reads at this point should be disregarded. My vote D1 was not wasted, because it would not have affected the end result of MB's lynch one way or another.

Is there a particular reason you and ketchup are both taking the same steps to paint me in a bad light?


Because we're noticing the same things?

I didn't ignore that post, it only reinforces my point - you aren't giving a read on me. "his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean" "this doesn't scream scum to me". These are very non-committal opinions.

You want my opinion? You look scummy as fuck. Moreso than Coma.

##unvote
##vote Requizen



You blatantly left it out of your "in depth investigation" to make me look like worse.

I haven't changed that stance. I don't have a good read on you. My instincts don't scream mafia but you haven't posted enough helpful things to be confirmed town. You are 20%~30% scum, which doesn't mean anything. If the votes go towards you, I have no problem letting them go through because I don't think you're confirmed town like some other people. If they don't, that's fine too, I think Wave is a bigger threat (for reasons listed multiple times).

I am not flipping on things. My opinions have formed slowly and changed slowly, and I have been outspoken and honest about it every step of the way. Ignoring that and trying to utilize misinformation makes you look bad, and I'd rather not have to pursue you.

As an aside, I'm removing my vote from ketchup since, as I said before, I don't think he's scum and I just jumped on him because he was on my case. I hope this reasoning is clear enough that it can be referenced in the future without someone twisting my actions to try and draw attention off of themselves.

##unvote

ketchup vote was still a shitty play. Revenge voting doesn't really help town. It was distracting, but I'm glad you at least dropped the vote now. You that willing to commit to a Wave vote? I've been pretty vocal that I think Wave is town, but I wonder what other people have to say since he's been away for a while, wonder if people's opinions have changed.



This is the most sketchy post I've seen you make in this whole thread OWB, which while not many your stuff has some substance to it. Why are you campaigning for a Wave vote now when he hasn't even be brought to the table in 2 pages?
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