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On October 16 2014 05:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:


At this point, yes, it would be awful. But when I had started pressuring Req, almost everyone, except for ketchup - who started pressuring Req first - wrote it off as Req being Req. Early in the day, it was not locked in that it would be me and Jeff, there was still plenty of time for things to go other ways, but your thickheadedness the entire day has kept it locked right in place.



I absolutely disagree that I should stop defending myself. If I get lynched, when I flip town there is more than enough in my posting history for people to work off of. I will not stop defending myself (and it's hilarious that I have to say this because there have been posts of "soniv isn't defending himself enough").

I have read "if soniv flips scum, then jeff looks bad because soniv avoided him D1". And I have read "if soniv flips town, then jeff looks bad because of the bandwagon on soniv". So why isn't the lynch going on someone who actually has a better chance of flipping scum.



I have claimed nothing.

On October 16 2014 05:16 Alzadar wrote:


Who are you asking?

On October 16 2014 05:17 Alaric wrote:

He said he wasn't 3P, and he certainly won't claim scum. So I guess he reserves the right to claim blue somehow?

On October 16 2014 05:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:


When you say this, are you saying "scum [soniv]" or "scum [team]". If you are saying the former, then disregard. If the latter, then you need to answer what I said before - do you think ketchup is scum then?

On October 16 2014 05:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:


...what?

You're saying the latter, that the scum team was trying to push onto Req, but you don't think ketchup (the only other person pushing with me) is scum. Which would mean you're actually saying the former?

On October 16 2014 05:34 Requizen wrote:
@Soniv and @Wave:

Can you both give full reasonings for your scumreads on Ghandi?

On October 16 2014 05:36 jcarlsoniv wrote:


It's a question you wanted answers from the thread on, but your question is conflicting.



^

On October 13 2014 11:59 onlywonderboy wrote:
Alright. First things first, I think the push for Wave being scum is mostly unwarranted. He has a lot of experience so it's easy to get caught up in the idea of "OMG if he's mafia we're screwed because he has the most experience and we have to be extra suspicious of him." That said, his play hasn't been inherently scummy. There have been several occasions where's he's tried to take control of the conversation and guide the town away from certain topics (the modkill discussion comes to mind). I believe that's honestly him trying to move the town in the direction of finding scum instead of limiting town options. He was the most active member Day 1 and I think he did the town more good than harm Day 1, no reason to even consider him for a Day 2 lynch atm.

That said, even though ketchup is the one pushing back on Wave's play the most, I also think he's town. I can see how Wave's play could seem abrasive and confusing to newer players so I think ketchup is just seeing it as scum play even though sometimes it takes a strong hand to lead the town in the right direction.

As far as scum goes I currently believe Asmo is scum. He's been fairly vocal but I don't think he's really contributed much of note. His actions around the lynch just seems a little off too. He switched off Ghandi just because of his long impassioned post that didn't really have that much substance. I think he felt comfortable pushing MB because it was clear a lot of people agreed it was a fine lynch and he could easily fall back on the defense of "he was a lurker anyway" when MoonBear flipped town. He did push MB early, but that was done to call him out for being a lurker which, again, can easily be defended. Pushing lurkers is important but it can also be a tactic for scum to actively look like they are doing town work. Also I don't like his post after the lynch. Just seems like he's trying to play up the fact he's a noob and his actions should be pardoned because he went about the first night wrong. Just rubbed me the wrong way.

On October 13 2014 12:53 onlywonderboy wrote:

Nothing really else of note. Seemed like a pretty standard Day 1 from the mafia games I played. A lot of name calling and people trying their name, people calling out lurkers, ect. Had I been caught up with the game by lynch time I would have gone ahead with Wave and switched my vote.

On October 16 2014 05:59 mordek wrote:
I'm not sure if Alz is just saying what I want to hear but I've been agreeing with a lot he's posted throughout the game but he also seems to explain things for people a lot. I'm not sure if that's a scum move or not but I thought I'd bring it up.

Coma has been really absent since soniv and ghandi have become the main focus.

On October 16 2014 02:43 onlywonderboy wrote:

Probably the quiet :p

Although, I think the fact that he hasn't put down a vote is more damning than the shitty green text. Maybe it's a timezone thing, but I wish he would just commit, because the longer he waits it just seems like he's waiting to vote when it would draw the least suspicion on him.

On October 16 2014 06:11 onlywonderboy wrote:

Uhg. I'm trying to stay active and I happened to read your post in class and that got me thinking about Alaric. I realized he hadn't voted yet and I thought it was weird. Hey, at least I didn't just agree he was scummy because of his weird green text questions. I mean I could have just not said anything but I don't see how that helps us catch scum.

On October 16 2014 06:21 ketchup wrote:
If people are still wondering, and haven't noticed by my entirely static vote on GhandiEagle. I think GhandiEagle should be the lynch today more so than Soniv. Soniv lynch vote is too difficult to justify at this point in the game for me. I think Soniv can be really helpful for town later on. I want to take that risk on keeping soniv alive for later. I do NOT think the same can be said about GhandiEagle.




Wave, you asked me who it should be today, I will go for GhandiEagle.

On October 16 2014 06:35 ketchup wrote:


If the mordek vote pressure is him trying, then what is the soniv vote on Req? That was soniv deflecting while jeff tries? I don't understand your separation. It's all the same thing. Either both are still trying or both are deflecting. Both have done similar things for their defense. Soniv's defense to me was at least showing he didn't care he was under pressure, while Jeff just bandwagons on Soniv. Soniv actually attempted to get another scummier read rather than just Jeff. You know what Ghandi has done? Nothing. He hasn't brought new information to town.

On October 16 2014 06:51 ketchup wrote:


New information is basically getting new information by doing something or bringing in a new interaction between the players.

For Soniv there are two things:

1.) I might have over analyzed certain interactions in my Soniv argument, and he points it out fairly simply that it could be seen in that manner, but it wasn't it. I think in a game like this, I prefer simplicity over complications. So, I am okay with taking this defense straight up.

2.) Similarly, I think Req's posting after Soniv put pressure on him was genuine. I think he doesn't speak in that manner unless something was really bugging him. I disagree with Soniv that Req is scummy now because to fabricate that type of post is extremely difficult. So, I give points to Soniv for causing Req to make that type of post. I do apologize that Req thought he had to make that type of post though. Again, I know Soniv dislikes this, but it is actually in favor of both of them that Req made that post. Basically Scum Soniv has zero reasons to push Req that far that it proves Req's more innocent than not.

For you, Jeff, I see nothing. Point them out to me, and I will reconsider my vote.