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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 14:08 GMT
#1350
Oh hmm I just ignored all that green shit. Yeah at this point of you're claiming then out with it. If not, whatever.

Soniv, still waiting on dem reads from yesterday. Time is ticking and very few people other than me have the key to your salvation.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 14:17 GMT
#1353
Where's your stuff on Asmo and coma?
I read your little vote business on Jeff but all it really comes down to is you think he's scummy because he votes the person who looks worse than him.

Something you could arguably be doing right now.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 14:47 GMT
#1356
Nah now I'm just using the term to describe the group of you.

SONIV ANGRYYYY
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 15:22 GMT
#1358
Yup.
Though consider, is that a mistake scum is likely to make? When I'm scum I'm hyper - aware of almost everything I say and do, so a flagrantly wrong comment like that would be a no-no.

As would blatantly lying about going to bed and then posting after that point for fear of being caught.

I didn't want to bring that up just yet but I suppose of is a good time. Essentially this means that either Jeff is terrible scum (would fit with the way he's played most of this game) or he's actually town.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 15:51 GMT
#1362
Coma you're too cute
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 17:08 GMT
#1366
I thought of something completely at random.
Out of everyone here, who has been the most politician-y? Off the top of your head.
My thoughts immediately turn back to Asmo.

I want my top 3 to be right so badly and I think if they're not then I'm completely lost.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 17:12 GMT
#1368
If either you or soniv is 3P I suggest you claim.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 17:25 GMT
#1372
On October 16 2014 02:22 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 02:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
I thought of something completely at random.
Out of everyone here, who has been the most politician-y? Off the top of your head.
My thoughts immediately turn back to Asmo.

I want my top 3 to be right so badly and I think if they're not then I'm completely lost.


I called Asmo out for Campaigning for votes earlier too.

It's not campaigning for votes that I mean. I've done that, and I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
It's the tone and the way you talk. The 'I don't want to step on any toes, but,' kinda thing. I think there are more people in the game guilty of that as well but I can't check right now.

I also have to look into some other stuff later.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 17:28 GMT
#1375
On October 16 2014 02:17 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 02:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
If either you or soniv is 3P I suggest you claim.


If you were Serial Killer faced with lynching as Mafia, would you claim?

Is there ever a 3P-Town alliance?

100% all of the time. Town's priority is to lynch scum first and foremost, and every once in a while an alliance does happen (for the 3P in the hopes the game lasting until of some sort of kingmaker scenario, or the hope that they let him live in exchange for using his abilities on scum or something). If the 3P is survivor the chances of 3P surviving a lynch is even higher. Essentially if you had the choice between lynching a scum and a 3P, wouldn't you lynch the scum?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 17:29 GMT
#1376
I'm starting to really wonder about Alaric right now.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 17:31 GMT
#1377
Like what WAS with all the greenfont shit?
And why does he feel the need to point out the extremely obvious, that there is a bus going on (unless both soniv/Jeff are town and the scum are in the rest of lurk city, or we've been massively fooled by, say, himself or ketchup).

I think a lot of us have actually let Alaric skate by on early towncred without looking into him in a long time.
Either that or the quiet is making me paranoid. I hate being in charge of lynches. Good practice though.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 17:53 GMT
#1387
On October 16 2014 02:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like what WAS with all the greenfont shit?
And why does he feel the need to point out the extremely obvious, that there is a bus going on (unless both soniv/Jeff are town and the scum are in the rest of lurk city, or we've been massively fooled by, say, himself or ketchup).

I think a lot of us have actually let Alaric skate by on early towncred without looking into him in a long time.
Either that or the quiet is making me paranoid. I hate being in charge of lynches. Good practice though.


I'm having the same misgivings about that post. I've had a super town read on him all game, but that one post is worrying.

Also, could you explain what you meant by having the key to my survival? That also concerns me (rightfully so).

Wave, could you explain this bolded part:

Show nested quote +
On October 15 2014 23:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh hmm I just ignored all that green shit. Yeah at this point of you're claiming then out with it. If not, whatever.

Soniv, still waiting on dem reads from yesterday. Time is ticking and very few people other than me have the key to your salvation.


Why do you have a key (assuming you mean your vote) that only a few people have?

What I would like to hear from everyone still voting me - after this entire D2, what is it that makes all of you think I'm scum? Because a lot of what I'm reading seems to be people starting with the assumption that I'm scum to make imaginary associations and assume that information will be gained about other scum because they've already assumed I'm scum. I could understand this viewpoint coming out of D1/N1, but I can't fathom how people can still see me as scum after this entire day.

This was the answer that Jeff gave to the question I asked him:

Show nested quote +
On October 15 2014 11:56 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On October 15 2014 11:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Jeff, you never answered my question:

On October 15 2014 08:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 15 2014 08:39 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I was following the Wave-Soniv thing with a lot of interest, and Soniv is still my #1 most wanted. Right now, he's the only lynch other than me (but I'm innocent, I'm afraid) that tells us a lot.


What does it tell us Jeff? I want to hear it in your words, I don't want anyone else answering this question.



Req has little to no connection with me, so lynching me has no impact on how he flips. You pursued him closely, but never really gained traction for it. Despite this lack of traction, you still made a push for it. If you flip red he's finally essentially proven townie and will sort out this whole mess with him. If you flip green, I think everyone would be ok with a Req lynch (or at least force his potential blue role). I think if you flip red Alzadar is also under a lot of consideration. When you flip red you'll also finally prove me innocent, something that nothing else but my own death will do (since Wave and Ketchup are pretty damn town).

My point is that you have a connection with many more players than I do. Other than passing exchanges, right now I really only have significant connections with you, Wave, and Ketchup, and we know most about those people. You're the only real question mark tied with me, and maybe Coma is as well.


So, the fact that I have made connections with people while Jeff has made very few actually makes me look more scummy because it potentially could create more information if I were to turn up red. This doesn't make any sense.

I'd also like to point out that Req has still been completely absent since all of you have accepted his shitty play.

I'd yell at him in OT but that's probably bending the rules. Let me do this one more time because you almost made me reconsider my req read. You and I talked a little about personalities before the game started and there was a text you sent me. Do you truly think that someone capable of posting the way he does is capable of putting on an act of this calibre? (no offense at all, req, I'm not trying to say your shit-posting in OT is any worse than anyone else's ) REALLY consider that.

Now as far as me 'holding the key,' I say that because if I change my mind in the next little while, I have complete faith that I convince enough of town to change with me. I think there may be another person or two who can do the same. What I'm saying is right now, I don't really have any desire to do so. + Show Spoiler +
(Also I'm well aware how dickish and arrogant that makes me sound, but mafia )


I think regarding Alaric I know exactly what I'm going to do, and that's leave him until other stuff has resolved. I have an idea regarding him but it will have to wait unfortunately.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 18:09 GMT
#1394
##unvote
##vote: mordek


This interests me actually.
Mordek you say you haven't been politician-y, but
On October 12 2014 01:53 mordek wrote:
Ok. I've been trying to re-read and trim my post up so I don't have any distracting details. My main thought is I can't see Wave making that big post which obviously creates a confident and open atmosphere right from the start, absolutely a Town move, and then it's some huge reverse psychology thing. We're going to find out soon if he points us in the wrong direction as the leader.

I don't have great reads on scum, I'm not sure what makes a good read vs. a feeling. So far Swaglord has been contentless, changes the subject, or is just unrelated and doesn't build any conversation. Also owb has not posted yet, do we know if he has a good reason not to?

On October 12 2014 05:03 mordek wrote:
Ok I may have posted too hastily. If Cixah is another role that we should be worried about as town, he'd only have one night to do whatever it is because he wouldn't be able to confirm the next day. I can't imagine this being worth the risk over just trying to talk people out of voting for him.

On October 13 2014 05:21 mordek wrote:
Look I'm fine if I've made a misread. However in one post I'm almost confirmed town and in your next post my style is newb mafia. You also managed to miss a post that quotes you twice?

On October 13 2014 05:50 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2014 05:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On October 13 2014 05:28 mordek wrote:
On October 13 2014 05:06 mordek wrote:
I'm going with my gut. I'm fairly sure Wave is town. I've been uneasy about Tolkien the whole time. We're going to learn a lot after the first day. Prove me wrong to change my vote.

##Vote Lord Tolkien

On October 12 2014 01:53 mordek wrote:
Ok. I've been trying to re-read and trim my post up so I don't have any distracting details. My main thought is I can't see Wave making that big post which obviously creates a confident and open atmosphere right from the start, absolutely a Town move, and then it's some huge reverse psychology thing. We're going to find out soon if he points us in the wrong direction as the leader.

I don't have great reads on scum, I'm not sure what makes a good read vs. a feeling. So far Swaglord has been contentless, changes the subject, or is just unrelated and doesn't build any conversation. Also owb has not posted yet, do we know if he has a good reason not to?

I don't know how this is a bandwagon. Me and Wave voted for you and now I'm hopping on a wagon?

You're not the only one. Just check the votecount. Your reasoning feels weak.

So does wave's but not lynching him D1.

Ok, so I see you posted this twice so I'll respond. This is D1, I've tried to push and poke a couple things and observe. I haven't seen any better argument for someone being scum. Honestly, point me to who you think is scum and why and I'll vote if it makes sense. I'm not changing my vote just because Wave unvoted either.

On October 14 2014 03:12 mordek wrote:
Wow epic fail on rewording that second sentence. "This tells us nothing of who are next lynch target should be." Period, no leftovers from the edited prior sentence. Wow that looks dumb lol.


A lot of your posting just doesn't look great at all. Gives me bad feels.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 18:12 GMT
#1396
Ok Soniv, but if you ignore reqs posting meta, then purely within the confines of this game his posting feels genuine to me as well.

Ad as far as lynching you for information goes, yeah some people have really taken that and gotten carried away. I only mentioned the information thing because I had both you and Jeff as scum and I feel we get good info either way, then people started using it as part of ways to push either of you.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 19:39 GMT
#1418
Eh, I don't think people understand the meaning or use of a pressure vote. Oh well.

##unvote

Vote/read on mordek was never real tbh, but I wanted to see who I could make do stuff. Only person to jump was owb, though that's pretty interesting sine he's been doing it alllllllll game.

On October 16 2014 04:02 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 03:52 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 16 2014 03:34 Alaric wrote:

Soniv:
+ Show Spoiler +
About the key thing, this is how I view it (from reading today's filters only):
- before Ghandi switched and I voted, it was 6-5 for you. A tie would be against Ghandi I think, haven't checked hard, but iirc owb has the oldest post, and he isn't likely to switch, so for you to die people needed to switch. ComaDose certainly won't because he seems convinced that killing Ghandi will somehow clear him (and I think however Ghandi flips there are strong arguments against him either way, part of why I don't think lynching Ghandi will produce much), Cixah and ketchup don't look like they would either (ketchup offered a hand but I dunno how firm he is).
That means that Wave, because he tends to be listened to, and because he's one of the rare people not completely set yet, has the power to either force a tie or break it (even more so had he known I'd vote against you, that was 6-6 but Ghandi switched while I typed).

As for lynching you, sure there's a risk you'll flip green.
But not only do I think it's a tiny risk, we also stand to gain much more from your flipping (whether red or green, already said I'm coming for Asmo if you flip green myself) than Ghandi's. Both your posting has been a bit poor today, but I could easily attribute that to both of you being in a kinda deadlock for more of the day; and if given more liberty, I'm much more afraid of you leading us astray than I'd be of Ghandi. Even if he's scum he doesn't push us toward wrong lynches (that pretty much everyone ignores him doesn't help).

As of now we can't know which one of you is red, or if you aren't even both red (I don't see it as likely but it's not impossible), but I'm pretty damn sure one of you has to be scum, and your flip will give us more stuff to catch the remaining 2-3.
Add to that that I won't be around for the deadline in case of last minute shenanigans/twist (if you want to claim do it in the next 4 hours), and that I didn't think the situation could change (I'll admit I'm wrong, the new mordek wagon proved that with a perfect timing, uh), and I didn't see the point to fish for "maybe scum" instead of "very probably scum + info on the others".

If you give me a better lynch? I'll bow, and I'll switch to that. But my reasoning was (and still is, unless twists like a mordek slip or something) that it's between Ghandi and you tonight, and that you are the "better" lynch.



I'm so confused how you think my posting has been bad today. You had a town read on me D1, and my posting was so much worse D1, and I'm happy to be the first to admit that. Once again, I'm feeling like my entire play today has been largely ignored.

I have tried to hand you guys a better lynch, and it was completely passed off as everyone giving Req a pass for being Req. I also now believe that Jeff is scum (something I did not think was true D1), and I've tried to push him as well. Is this going to be the theme of the game? Every day it's going to be Jeff vs. someone that ends up flipping town, only to continue it on the next day?

You think you're going to get information from my flip, but all you'll find out is how god damn wrong you've been and how much time you've all wasted.

On October 16 2014 03:31 mordek wrote:
I like how Soniv dodged the claim or your getting lynched questions too. Admittedly he could be in meetings but let's not forget.


? What did I dodge?

I can get behind what Soniv is saying here. I've already said I think he's played better than Jeff during Day 2 so between the two I'm still going to vote Jeff. In fact
##Unvote
##Vote GhandiEAGLE

The Jeff flip will give us insight into Soniv's alignment and we can decide whether or not we trust him from there. If they are both mafia it would be a pretty masterful bus.

This is pretty untrue.

ketchup, what do you think? Who should it be today?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 19:44 GMT
#1422
That it would be good scumplay. If they're both scum they have had no choice basically all day.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 19:46 GMT
#1425
You both need to stop posting defenses and attacks of each other at this point.

Right now one of you is dead and we don't know which. If you're town then what you want to do is leave behind something that will help us win the game (because you can still win after you're dead). You have 4h.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 19:48 GMT
#1427
On October 16 2014 04:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 04:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
That it would be good scumplay. If they're both scum they have had no choice basically all day.


If we were both scum, don't you think there would be more people than just ketchup interested in pressuring Req?

What? How do you figure?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 19:59 GMT
#1433
On October 16 2014 04:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 04:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 16 2014 04:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 16 2014 04:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
That it would be good scumplay. If they're both scum they have had no choice basically all day.


If we were both scum, don't you think there would be more people than just ketchup interested in pressuring Req?

What? How do you figure?


There would be at least one other person in the thread interested in pushing it, right?

Let's assume Req is town (because this is your viewpoint). And let's assume 3 scum (that seemed to be a reasonable conclusion that we arrived at +1 3p). That means that if both Jeff and I were scum, there would be one other person in the thread on our team. This day has been the Soniv and Jeff show from the start, so would it not follow that the scum team would want to be coordinated early on to get the votes somewhere else? Ketchup and I were really the only ones pushing Req, so does that mean you think ketchup is scum?

What?
If you're both scum then if I were the third scum the absolute last thing I would ever do is be caught trying to push somewhere else. That's terrible.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 15 2014 20:03 GMT
#1435
Soniv did you claim VT?
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