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On October 21 2014 04:48 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2014 04:45 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Yes, OWB was clearly just a bus for me to save myself. Because that makes sense. What the hell are you talking about? You literally never voted for OWB, bus or otherwise.
I constantly pointed to him. VERY constantly. When nobody else was. I said I wasn't confident in taking my vote off the person it was on, but even when there was no attention drawn towards him I took steps to make sure he didn't get away. That's why I said Alzahar's voting post wasn't entirely too useful, since it didn't cover things like that. Look through my filter if you don't believe me.
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On October 21 2014 04:53 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2014 04:48 Requizen wrote:On October 21 2014 04:45 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Yes, OWB was clearly just a bus for me to save myself. Because that makes sense. What the hell are you talking about? You literally never voted for OWB, bus or otherwise. I constantly pointed to him. VERY constantly. When nobody else was. I said I wasn't confident in taking my vote off the person it was on, but even when there was no attention drawn towards him I took steps to make sure he didn't get away. That's why I said Alzahar's voting post wasn't entirely too useful, since it didn't cover things like that. Look through my filter if you don't believe me.
Sure, you brought him up when no one was looking at him or suspecting him and never when he did anything that was any sort of suspicious. You tried really hard to make sure that people knew that you were "suspecting OWB" without ever putting your money where your mouth was, and during times where it was impossible to get anyone else to vote on him in any sort of serious manner.
Similarly, he and Wave voted for you, but both bailed really quickly as soon as it was clear you were going to go through. Then, he quietly jumped back on your vote after it was abundantly clear you were not going to die. Suspicious that he only liked voting for you when you weren't in danger of dying.
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I will put my money where my mouth is - if it looks like a Ghandi bandwagon is getting more lynch-steam than Wave bandwagon, I will gladly jump on it to make it through to the finish line.
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You're right, Req. It was all just a plot to vote people when it was unlikely they would die. This is of course completely opposite of the typical "bandwagon" theory that generally reveals mafia. So apparently voting at all, in any way, is obviously a bad thing and makes you suspect. One should clearly just never vote, or maybe better not even play because not playing is the only vote pattern that you'd believe isn't just an obvious scum tactic.
Never talked about OWB when he did suspicious things. Oh sure, like that time when he called me out really defensively and immediately snap-voted for me (which was also when I was town enemy #1 btw, and not at all at a time when I was "safe") when I was casually calling him out? Which, in retaliation, I said that he was #2 after Wave at the time, and then persisted in this belief. Also, the night before OWB died I was pointing to him as the next lynch. Then he died, for which I was happy because I felt that clearly vindicated me, except until you decided you wanted to see everything that I do as "suspicious."
C'mon dude.
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On October 21 2014 05:00 Requizen wrote:
I will put my money where my mouth is - if it looks like a Ghandi bandwagon is getting more lynch-steam than Wave bandwagon, I will gladly jump on it to make it through to the finish line.
This is really scummy. Ghandhi has shown himself to be pretty towny in the past 2 cycles, there's no townie reason not to care between lynching the two.
##Vote: Requizen
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For those who think I'm just making up my own narrative about req focusing on me, I invite you to read through his filter and decide for yourselves (discounting that day where he shit posted two lines about everyone). Like Jeff says, voting isn't everything.
Look I won't pretend that I've played admirably, or that I've even done well. That's why I can hope that you guys can be better than me here and do the right thing for once.
I will come to terms with whatever decision you guys make and just accept that I'm shit at this game and it's largely my fault.
I'm actually particularly pissed at myself because I even promised myself I wouldn't be giving newbies an easy time for being new before the game even began, and I went back on it. I should have learned after losing to Monte that one time, but obviously I didn't. Believe what you guys want, martyrdom or no, the effort I put into this game should be all that you need to show my innocence. I've put in way less effort as scum and beaten players much better (no offense).
I say this now because as it turns out we may be partying a little post exams tomorrow so I can't promise I'll be back for deadline. The fate of town is in your hands, where it should be. No more arrogance about leading. I can't honestly say I'm certain about Req being scum, but it's the closest thing I've got today. Read through, guys, and come to a decision.
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Meh, whatever, I'm pretty tired of this game anyway. Considering there's 3 on me now and the rate this thread went last cycle, I'm pretty much dead now.
See you in the postgame.
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Vote Cunt
Requizen (3): WaveofShadow, GhandiEAGLE, Alzadar
WaveofShadow (1): Requizen
Not Voting (2): mordek, Alaric
Currently, Requizen is set to be lynched. Day 4 ends in
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Drop your votes, you two. Although you can't change the current lynch without convincing someone to change.
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On October 21 2014 20:38 Dandel Ion wrote:
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This was a typo my ass. 
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Can someone explain how this plays out in the end game? We have 3 votes on Req and he has the oldest vote so he's getting lynched unless someone comes off and we got 4-2 or more on someone else. Right now Req has resigned himself it seems but I honestly don't think you can read that one way or the other. I'm more wondering on how the votes have played out so far this day. What does scum want to do? Hold off on voting and let a mislynch happen if Town!Req? Bus if Scum!Req? I'm trying to see if anything can be gleaned by voting so far but it doesn't seem there is anything solid.
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Well Req and Wave's votes are seemingly locked in on each other. That leaves four other votes, and four other candidates. Since nobody will vote for themselves, and everyone would rather lynch someone else than be lynched, we need a consensus among three of Jeff, Alaric, mordek and myself to change the vote to someone other than Wave and Req.
I suppose Req would change to someone other than Wave if it meant saving himself.
tl;dr you can't make much of the vote, but it's tough to change it at this point
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I would happily change my vote to scum. Wave and Ghandi are my two biggest scum picks. I could be convinced onto Alaric, maybe one of the two "blues", but only if it felt right.
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Ok, I read through Ghandi's filter and I'd say I'm fairly convinced he's town. I feel the need to return the favor to him and mention how atrocious and useless his filter is () but yeah, I think there's enough there that just doesn't have scum motivation.
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Told you Ghandi is the towniest of the remaining candidates (Wave, Ghandi and Req). Not that it means much to you since you're my primary scum read. But apparently nobody was going to pick up on that (actually Wave was suspicious of you too, which would make me lean more toward him as town), and people would go for either Wave or Requizen instead... which I'd be fine with, as long as we select the scummy one out of the 2.
I don't think it's actually interesting for scum to let a mislynch happen, because they trade 1 for 1... well, trading 1 for 1 doesn't really matter at this point. However, either they win tonight, or they can win the next day (by lynching Alzadar tonight since he's the last confirmed townie, and then you have one scum and 3 town.).
You can see it this way:
- if vote's on non-scum, they can just wait, whether they've voted on him, against him or not at all (if they haven't voted on him it's even better for them because they can switch their vote in case one of the townies has a change of mind). They can also pretend to defend him, but not too hard I guess otherwise the new target may be one of them. It creates fake activity though.
- if vote's on scum, either they have the ability to tip the scales, and they don't care too much as long as other votes go on someone else so they can switch at the last second, or something like that, or they don't have that ability and they'll have to push.
That... would actually make more sense for Wave to be scum then, I guess, since the vote lead is on Requizen and Wave also holds the tiebreaker to condemn him, so if 3 people vote on someone else (not himself) he can switch to save Req.
On the other hand that scenario only makes sense if both Wave and Requizen are scum and they've been playing the shit out of us, and I don't believe that (plus it'd make no sense to pile so hard on Requizen either, because he's basically dead if we want it too at that point; sure it could be a bus but why the heck do a bus when you could force mislynch?).
So... yeah. The current situation would only benefit scum!Wave in unrealistic scenarios (or they'd take huge balls, or scum would be so confident they can win they'd play with us).
Between that, and Wave sharing my suspicions (same reasoning here: why would he go in my direction if that means a bus? The cred he'd get from that wouldn't offset not straight-up winning the game), I lean more on Req being scum between the two of them.
##Vote: mordek
However, I'm putting my money when my mouth is and voting against the guy I'm 100% sure is scum, as opposed to the guy that "maybe" is scum, 70% chance or something. If noone shares my opinion and we have to take a bet with Req to stay in the game, I'll switch my vote, but! Because at that point I won't have a choice. I like certainty more.
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Uh... I meant it's not interesting for scum to let one of them go, as opposed to get a mislynch off. Thought too fast, compressed the sentence.
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100% huh. That is interesting.
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So you think there were only 2 blues or what Alaric? I mean, I thought I'd made the best case I could with the circumstances I had after Soniv died but there's obviously no other blues because I was the third one.
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Also about Wave I'm sure we can call him "letting things happen" because he's got his exams and he just doesn't have much time for the thread. I mean he could be lying about not having enough time and using his exams as an excuse, but I've consistently refused to question people's IRL commitments wrt participation in the thread so I won't start now. But that'd be dishonest (in the context of the game I mean, sure fake claiming like you did is lying too but in Mafia it's fair game) and I don't think Wave would do that just to win.
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