Avogadro's Number Mini Mafia

On October 12 2014 06:26 Damdred wrote:
Geript is now in my town circle because I never know how to take his plans.

GB if I said you might be scum what would you say?

On October 12 2014 06:29 GlowingBear wrote:


He is trying to find a slip.

Damdy, I'd say you're wrong and that I'm not really worried because even if you don't believe now you'll believe later because you can read me well

Geript, I didn't came to the thread earlier because I just posted and when afk

On October 12 2014 06:30 Damdred wrote:
Because until GB does his town tell that he doesn't realize he does he might be scum or not drunk enough yet

On October 12 2014 06:33 GlowingBear wrote:


I think you are trying hard here. 1st page of thread and you raise this kind of suspicion.
Do you really believe he should be calling me scum instead saying I might be scum in the first page of the game?

On October 12 2014 06:36 GlowingBear wrote:
LE TRYHARD IS STRONG IN THIS GAME

On October 12 2014 06:50 Hopeless1der wrote:

Is this like claiming miller but helpful instead? What about the possible game mods.

On October 12 2014 06:52 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Hi!
I'm sqrtofneg1, which equates to i.
Therefore you should lynch me.

On October 12 2014 06:57 DarthPunk wrote:
In b4 scum team rolls over because I rolled town.

On October 12 2014 07:02 DarthPunk wrote:


Why? All he has done is claim scum.

On October 12 2014 07:03 DarthPunk wrote:
Geript what do you think about glowingbear?

On October 12 2014 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:


I kinda like hopeless at the moment.

On October 12 2014 07:35 Chairman Ray wrote:
This is worrisome.

You guys started the game picking on small, insignificant things, and some pointless votes were thrown around. Wasn't too long before you guys all started town reading one another.

Either you guys all have very obvious town metas, or this may indicate a conversation between mafia.

On October 12 2014 07:56 GlowingBear wrote:
Considering meta, damdy is most likely town to my eyes

On October 12 2014 07:56 GlowingBear wrote:
Considering meta, damdy is most likely town to my eyes

On October 12 2014 11:14 Sn0_Man wrote:
i felt like taking u down a notch
errybody was sucking ur dick and u were acting mega high and mighty

On October 12 2014 11:17 ritoky wrote:


what did you have for dinner?

i envision you eating some form of fast food tonight unfortunately. please prove me wrong.

On October 12 2014 11:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm okay with rito for now. I'm okay with anyone who calls me town for now, because they've got good ass reads.

On October 12 2014 12:22 GlowingBear wrote:
No town would make me hungry

On October 12 2014 12:33 GlowingBear wrote:


I'm sorry I made a joke :/

On October 12 2014 06:33 GlowingBear wrote:


I think you are trying hard here. 1st page of thread and you raise this kind of suspicion.
Do you really believe he should be calling me scum instead saying I might be scum in the first page of the game?

On October 12 2014 06:48 Damdred wrote:
DP you always think i look terrible....well the two games we have played. On that note, what do you think of hopeless and GB so far DP?

On October 12 2014 06:52 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Hi!
I'm sqrtofneg1, which equates to i.
Therefore you should lynch me.

On October 12 2014 06:56 Chairman Ray wrote:
Did I get the wrong role pm? The one I got says I'm town... was there a mistake?

On October 12 2014 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like the only people who should be taking offense to that statement are mafia. You're not MAFIA are you DP?

On October 12 2014 08:15 Damdred wrote:


I'm not really understanding the read overall and want GB to elaborate on it a bit more. Everything you've done so far has looked pretty towny.

On October 13 2014 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Probably not.

GlowingBear. Where did your scumread on geript go?

On October 13 2014 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay Oats now confirmed town.

On October 13 2014 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't think geript has asked me anything for realz.
He asked me to "be townie". What's that??? And said he isn't townreading me. Fair enough. Then he should do something about it.

DP did do that, yes. I don't like his read on Sn0, and he isn't even voting for him so why would he not talk about ritoky if he thinks he is scum and i don't?

On October 13 2014 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So you've been looking forward to playing with me again but you don't really wanna play with me?

On October 13 2014 09:56 DarthPunk wrote:


Do you think he just didn't open his qt for 12 hours or so? It certainly doesn;t make him confirmed town or anything but I don't want him to be lynched today at least.

If you couldn't lynch sqrt who would you lynch geript?

On October 14 2014 01:48 GlowingBear wrote:


Geript, give me your impression on this read.

On October 14 2014 01:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
When did I say anything like that about Oats? I'm not sure what to think about Oats, historically I've had a hard time reading him. I will say though that from my experience with him he's posting a lot more freely than in games where he's mafia...leaving me thinking he's town this game.

Your reasoning for townreading GB was ballsack dude, you referred back to a post where he's calling you out about tryharding and you're all "Oh this looks townie I guess, even though he made this post to begin with and I've known he made it, NOW it makes him town"

Something a little bit like....

On October 14 2014 03:36 VisceraEyes wrote:

Anything ever come of this geript?

On October 14 2014 03:42 VisceraEyes wrote:

Well unless you can give me a compelling reason to vote someone else, I'm going to be wrong over here with my own reads and my townies.

On October 14 2014 03:49 VisceraEyes wrote:

GB isn't the most active person in the thread by a long shot geript, now you're just saying things that aren't even true. Is he MORE active than some? Sure. The most active in the thread? Not even close!

On September 08 2014 16:05 geript wrote:
HaruRH/Damdred. They're both conf mafia.
Look at Damdred's other games. He's forming reads exceptionally differently than he has as town. He's also less active. He's also more idk polarized. That's harder to explain but I'll try. There's less confidence (less wishy washy than he is as town) and more surety. It looks like he's saying things more so to make a point than to drive discussion (which is a theme I see in his town games). There's also fewer recurring themes or ideas that he latches onto.

I'll vote for either of these two today.

On October 14 2014 03:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Jesus he has 8 pages of filter.

Meh. Like half of that is defending himself, but yeah fuck it, I'd rather lynch someone who doesn't have 8 pages of filter on D1.

##Unvote

Elaborate on your Oats read geript. Like, you said early on that you think Oats would have strong scumreads like 2 hours into the game. Why do you expect that, and how has your read evolved since Oats has been posting?

On October 12 2014 16:57 Oatsmaster wrote:

What.
tell me the benefits of Scum claiming Prime with a 50% chance of AT BEST trading 1-1 with the real Prime.

DP is town cause he is trying to find scum/kill stupid people.
Also he isnt going around antagonizing people.

On October 12 2014 20:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dunno about gb man.
That push on DP was totes too dumb to be scum.

On October 13 2014 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote:

yeah GB, but then rikoty isnt scum.
The whole post doesnt make sense.

On October 13 2014 01:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
First time I've seen rayn be so polite.
I thought it would go like, "Play the game or you die"

On October 13 2014 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
What do you mean by too passive?
Thats in comparison to something. What?

ritoky is scum for posting food pics. Posting a horribly bad list post. Not interested in finding scum, more interested in antagonizing people.

On October 14 2014 04:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: geript

Geript uses page-count in filter to condemn Damdred when Damdred is evidently not around to make the posts. Rather than make a read on his content (which he should be doing if he's "seriously filtering him now") he falls back on activity to justify his vote. Geript is looking really really bad to me.

On October 14 2014 04:14 Oatsmaster wrote:

he did.

On October 14 2014 04:57 VisceraEyes wrote:

"Suck this much as town"? You've spent all game telling me how town I am and sucking my dick, and when I point out ONE inconsistency in your game I'm mafia because I can't "suck this much as town"? Are you joking me gerit?

On October 14 2014 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote:

GFO ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?! YOU CALL ME TOO SHITTY TO BE TOWN AND THEN AGREE WITH ONE OF MY FUCKING READS!??! FUCKING DIE GERIPT

On October 14 2014 05:10 DarthPunk wrote:
geript if you die who should we lynch?

On October 14 2014 05:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Do you realizticly think you can even get people to vote for Damdred?
Because i don't. So vote sqrt with me.

On October 14 2014 05:28 DarthPunk wrote:


Geript Vote oats with me. All he has done is sheep like fuck this game. As town he makes cases and has independent thoughts.

On October 14 2014 05:30 VisceraEyes wrote:

Oh all right. But I'm makin porkchops after this SO NO QUESTIONS!!!

On October 14 2014 05:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's really porkchops today.

On October 14 2014 05:32 ritoky wrote:


The fact that you just very recently played with me in the only game I was mafia on these forums and think I am not town from my current filter is absurd. I cannot believe your reads are that bad. But then again you just recently called VE bad and prob not town, so maybe they can be.

If you think I am fucking around, maybe you should stop looking at the pictures and read the content.

On October 14 2014 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Geript i don't think Damdred is mafia.
This looks like in line with his town play. He never says anything important, just flips stuff around asking questions.

On October 14 2014 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Hopeless is town because he claimed prime.

On October 14 2014 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If this is what you think why did you advice town to claim?

On October 14 2014 05:52 DarthPunk wrote:


There could be as many as 3 primes geript. so that makes no fucking sense to me.

On October 14 2014 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Inever read any of your posts past the town jesus post where i decided you are probably town.
You never said anything interesting after that and i basically forgot both of the scum left after D1 were in the game. lol.
Until the claimwarz!

On October 14 2014 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is there a world where geript is mafia and GlowingBear is not?
Wait VE what was the name of the World heavyweight champions game where there was the nomination lynch mechanic?
I think geript did something very similar there. Like there was a lynch going and he just dropped some random new lynch targets at the end of D1.

On October 14 2014 13:53 Damdred wrote:


I'm sold on Geript being mafia right now, all his points about me (while it could be said are omgus) they do not line up. Rayn picked a few a part pretty good with my thought pattern, and explained it pretty well. And i'm documented in the thread for reading him scum there, and some reasons for it.

1) I am not sharing my read with you because I wasn't asked and i was in a little bit of a hurry
2) I haven't been pushing you because im pretty sure you aren't scum presently
3) You seemed to do a pretty decent job defending yourself, your filter was big enough where you shouldn't of been the lynch and there was plenty of sentiment to move away from you. So not sure what I was defending you against.

I have been tied up with you in my limited thread time, i should be free more tomorrow

On October 15 2014 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Stuff happens in thread. geript comes in and says:
"yo those primes should claim!"

Hopeless says:
"why should i claim my role, does it help us in some way?"

Badam! The obvious answer!

geript not so good at figuring out setups.
lynch him D2, he probably claims some role but still lynch him.

On October 15 2014 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Look. Think about it yourself.
There is 2 prome claims. You are scum.
Would you claim another prime?

On October 15 2014 02:09 VisceraEyes wrote:

Hopeless was first to claim, risking counterclaim and certain defeat if he's mafia. Unless you have some sort of reasoning to think otherwise?

On October 15 2014 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like ALL of the setups include at least one prime - so mafia KNOW FOR A FACT that if they claim Prime, SOMEONE ELSE will ALSO claim Prime and fuck up their day.

On October 15 2014 02:40 Damdred wrote:
Geript, why is it every time you enter thread you just seemily try to make up things to make someone scummy. But then when you get called out or people reply to you or ask questions you just move onto another target?

And your "If I were mafia i'd claim a role by now" Thats such wifom

On October 15 2014 07:11 Chairman Ray wrote:
Yeah, I find it hard to believe that mafia would actually shoot the prime.

What does everyone think about just leaving both hopeless and GB alive today?

On October 15 2014 07:19 GlowingBear wrote:


Who's the second?

On October 15 2014 07:29 Chairman Ray wrote:


DP was arguably the top town. He had the most influence on day 1, directing everyone to his preferred lynch, and most people were townreading him. Do you think it's possible he was killed because mafia wanted to get rid of the top town?

On October 14 2014 06:07 Hopeless1der wrote:

well that sucks.

On October 15 2014 07:49 Chairman Ray wrote:
Hopeless is talking like GB is town, which concerns me.

On October 15 2014 07:57 Hopeless1der wrote:
he did instavote me. He's also fakeclaiming. Or BH fucked up and the game is void. Either way I don't actually care anymore. Lets lynch sqrt

On October 15 2014 09:14 GlowingBear wrote:
VE that's totally true.
I rescind my claim.

I was already about to rescind because I've gathered enough reactions from my fake claim and I losing more time debating this will be detrimental to town.

On October 15 2014 09:17 GlowingBear wrote:


It wasn't a good play because you suspect me for now on, but I think it was okay to gather reaction.

I mean, if you're mafia and see two townies, one possibly fake claiming, you'll be okay with lynching any or even both *cough cough geript*

As I said, I'm gonna re-read and analyse scenarios

On October 15 2014 09:20 GlowingBear wrote:


Why what?

On October 15 2014 09:29 GlowingBear wrote:


Geript you were ok with lynching any of us.
At this point of the game, you could have an idea of who was acting scummy and who wasn't

Hopeless wasn't contributing until now. I was. It was okay to believe that hopeless was mafia and I was town, specially considering that fake claiming now is a poor play as mafia. Yet you had no idea who to lynch.

I expect mafia to fake a confusion or insta voting than actually trying to understand the scenario first. And that's exactly what you and kush did.

On October 15 2014 09:34 GlowingBear wrote:


Oh god.

Examples of what I expected from mafia:

"Hmm, I'm not sure, hmm... maybe glowing or... hmm... hopeless" or "lol it's hopeless BAM VOTE"

What I expected from town

"This doesn't make sense because of this and this... but also bla bla bla"

Do you understand the difference?

I find it hard to explain...

On October 15 2014 09:38 GlowingBear wrote:


Geript, hopeless would never admit I could be town if he was mafia. He would pressure me until the very end.

On October 15 2014 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:


He will mostly hold the claim and try to get me lynched.
I don't believe he would defend me with the 1 for 1 argument.

On October 15 2014 09:45 Hopeless1der wrote:

honestly, am i supposed to suspect you're mafia? Like if it gets to LYLO and we're hurting for a lynch i'm going to bring this up but right now what you did is fucking suicide.

On October 15 2014 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand what geript is talking about there. Maybe he can explain it.

So you think Damdred is mafai even though he shares your other scumreads?
Like is he bussing his whole team?

On October 16 2014 01:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Also of note: geript is treating me like a townie today while supposedly I'm one of his top mafia reads.

It's like they're fucking conceding guys, we just have to actually lynch them.

On October 15 2014 21:16 GlowingBear wrote:
Alright.

1) I immediately rescinded my claim because I thought it would be detrimental to town to keep that discussion. Yes, it was after VE pointed out a problem, but I was planning to rescind soon. Look into VE's argument:

+ Show Spoiler +

A parity cop must check anyone regardless if he is going to die or not. I could simply keep this discussion going and make my way out of it. I could simply say that "yes, I checked Rayn because I had to check someone and I plan to check other person at night" and keep going trying to kill Hopeless. Simply as that.
It was very dumb to claim as town? Yes!
It is even worse claiming as mafia? Yes. If hopeless gets lynched and flips prime, I, as mafia, would get lynched day3. It would be better to hide and try a mislynch on townies today. There are a lot of unconfirmed townies this game to get a mislynch. Horrible move as mafia.

I'm saying it again: I am VT and I fake claimed to get reactions. I've never done that before and I decided I should give it a shot. It was horrible.

2) There is no way I'm mafia after I've put so much effort in the game, specially at night one. I filter dived a lot of people, searched for previous games to understand meta and came back with that to the thread. You were basically scumreading me for saying DP was blue but pointing him out as scum. But check the rest of my gameplay and see if it convinces you I'm mafia.

Now I defended myself, answering Rayn.

Rayn, I think Hopeless is town for his reaction. He didn't flip, there was a chance he was mafia. I mean, there is a possible setup where there is 2 primes and 1 parity cop, and simply 2 primes without any PR. I expected him to, as mafia, start coming full throttle against me. I mean, if a mafia got busted, I think he would turn aggressive and try to get me mislynched at least to save himself. Yet he thought I could be town fake claiming.
To be honest, now that I think more out of this, this doesn't mean much. I just realised that if we are in a setup where there is only 2 primes and no power roles, there is also a GF, which means that there is no Power Role so he KNOWS I'm town and he ALSO knows I'm vt if he is mafia.
God my claim was more retarded than I thought.
Anyway, I'm still having him as town...

CR, for his stream of thought, his confusion but trying to solve it, I don't think mafia would do that and look genuine like CR did. I believe that he turned from a question mark into a leaning town after my fake claim.

Now, on geript:



This is his first post, even after hopeless thought I could be town. He didn't have second thoughts here. He decided that the thread should definetely lynch one. It will be a mislynch anyway.

Now, check this post I've just realised



THIS POST IS COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT. Why is he asking if he had a bad read on me? Why is he asking why did I claim? WAS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE POSTED ON THE SCUM QT?
Like, it sounds like he knows I'm VT and he is trying to understand why I decided to fake claim.
LOL

Damdred just posted this:



And asked nothing else, neither came back with a follow up. Again, he is not trying to figure the game. I'm having a hard time believing he is town.

Kush simply voted on Hopeless and fucked off. Like I would expect from a mafia, because he wouldn't care who to lynch:


VE's reaction was very solid logic and I believe that his inquisitive tone makes him townie.

That's what I've got, Rayn.

On October 16 2014 03:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
The Damdred thing is damming. Also your refusal to read and analyse the game. Also you going on and on about everything outside the game.

On October 16 2014 03:11 VisceraEyes wrote:


He never ever did comment on Damdred's content, and now he's not commenting on ANYONE's content.

On October 16 2014 03:14 VisceraEyes wrote:

Like this is so classic scum it's hilarious. Look at how the bolded discredits me while the question seems innocuous. He's asking me to justify my read on him WHEN I'VE DONE SO AD NAUSEUM EXPLICITLY IN THE THREAD. He's just trying to discredit the lynch on him, and the person pushing it. He's MAFIA guys.

On October 12 2014 06:34 Damdred wrote:
GB is pretty easy to read normally and he does have a pretty prominent town tell that he does in every game that hes town in.

I hate that we are already at this point geript

On October 16 2014 01:17 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
My thoughts on GB claim and stuff:
First thought: WTF? That claim makes no sense. GB is mafia or Hopeless is mafia.
Second thought: That claim makes even less sense for mafia to do. GB is town, therefore Hopeless is mafia.
Third thought: Wait a second, he retracted his claim. Does that make Hopeless town? Do we actually have 3 Primes?

I think the winning play is to not lynch GB or Hopeless. We need to lynch elsewhere.

On October 15 2014 10:44 Damdred wrote:
Good god, I was sitting in the car waiting to get back to the comp so I could read the conversation. This fake claim bullshit just sends me up a wall, ever since noir 2 it just sends me into a rage. GB give me your reads, you been defending yourself and throwing out suspicions randomly I thought you were town. So give me something show me where you are instead of asking people where they are

On October 17 2014 01:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I'm not even trying to be a jerk here, but I'm THAT certain about geript. He doesn't play this way as town. As town he tries - he makes cases and makes observations and argues with people. You think if geript was town he'd let the wagon get this far on him? YOU'RE WRONG IF YOU THINK YES!!!!

On October 17 2014 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
AT this point if it's not geript then the only team I can see is Hopeless/Kush/CR or something...Hopeless + 2 lurkers or whatever. I'll figure it out if geript flips town. But I'm pretty sure he's mafia.

On October 17 2014 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
geript explain why you said you expect mafia to claim Prime but you've been utterly ignoring Hopeless as a potential mafia candidate today.

On October 12 2014 08:11 Chairman Ray wrote:


what do you mean by this?

On October 17 2014 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
geript what I'm most interested in right now is you thoroughly explaining who you think is mafia and why.

On October 15 2014 06:17 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
GlowingBear is looking town. Excellent posts such as these:



Show that he's working to figure out the game.

Same thing with rayn. He's town.



I definitely don't like Chairman Ray. He pushes me, but then votes Oats without commenting at all about him.
Scummy.

DarthPunk is the first one who picked up on my 'townslip'.

Shows great attention to the thread. Either mafia, or just good townie. However, he's been jumping around, target wise.
Goes from me, to Sn0 and ritoky, to GlowingBear, to Oatsmaster. He had pretty much no case on Sn0, ritoky and Oats, and yet people all jumped on to the Oats wagon. I don't like that.

I still have no idea on ritoky.

Damdred has been pushing Geript.

VE is town. His logic against geript is excellent. EX:


Geript's the guy who pushed Oats. He also doesn't like Damdred. Currently, he wants us to look at hopeless.

I don't think so.

....

I don't have any solid evidence against geript, but I don't like him.

Hopeless isn't doing much either. No solid reads except me. Plus, probability wise, it's really unlikely he's actually a prime.
Top lynch target today.

##Vote: Hopeless1der

On October 13 2014 22:21 kushm4sta wrote:
yo gb why sqrt? there are people more deserving of a plynch. i like sqrts brief early game arguments.

On October 14 2014 22:54 kushm4sta wrote:
sorry gb i was out of line. just makes me mad when im trying to keep up with the game and you post page after page of "hmm im the only one here" "im still the only one here" "where is everyone" etc!

On October 15 2014 04:55 kushm4sta wrote:


incorrect. If everyone played like rayn, mafia would be a game of pure logic. Low activity players add an element of psychology. You can't look at logic so instead you have to look at behavior and attitude.
That's what rayn doesn't understand. And that's why he'll never be good at the game.

On October 13 2014 05:20 ritoky wrote:


I think it's not particularly good. He criticizes sqrt for having not read the thread/lack of context; yet I think he misses the context on when sqrt posted his reads by a mile. He then criticizes some not particularly early day 1 reads; yet he doesn't of the multiple others giving crap day 1 reads. I also feel like it stems a bit from not playing with sqrt before (idk if this is actually the case), cuz I know the last time I played with him he had a distinct posting style, we were both town and I ML'd him on d1. For that, I am wary of cases on him d1 as he is low hanging fruit from my previous experiences with him. That said, people seemed to agree with the case but not push forward with it at all which strikes me as odd (maybe just cuz sqrt isn't here).

Basically I think it is meh at best. I think the better criticism is that sqrt isn't around at all and when he is around he doesn't seem to be actively pushing the game forward, simply responding to pings on him. sqrt is less town now than he was for me before, but not enough for me to be worried about him yet.

On October 20 2014 07:43 Damdred wrote:
Yea gb you can read me great honestly, now people will start giving me The oats treatment. I would give my meta to avoid that but i like winning as scum

On October 20 2014 08:50 Damdred wrote:
What is hfs meta read?

Id tell you what's wrong with it