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Hapa!! Would you shadow me if I roll town? | ||
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If he is okay with it I believe we will have the first qt flame war | ||
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Let us adore him! Abuse And then ignore him" | ||
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On October 09 2014 22:15 marvellosity wrote: Cannot handle the conflicting messages 2poets2handle | ||
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On October 10 2014 06:34 ritoky wrote: /in i permit anyone who wants to shadow me to do so. *awkward silence* | ||
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On October 10 2014 10:06 Asma wrote: I am still around and intend to observe. You should just play the game. The worst thing that can happen is you getting lynched | ||
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On October 10 2014 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote: /in YES!!! I like playing with you | ||
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That's all. /confirm | ||
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On October 11 2014 22:02 DarthPunk wrote: Lynch that ^^ guy first IMO. I haven't even get my role pm yet :/// | ||
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On October 12 2014 06:27 geript wrote: Why would you say he might be scum instead of just flat out calling him scum? He is trying to find a slip. Damdy, I'd say you're wrong and that I'm not really worried because even if you don't believe now you'll believe later because you can read me well Geript, I didn't came to the thread earlier because I just posted and when afk | ||
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On October 12 2014 06:30 Damdred wrote: Because until GB does his town tell that he doesn't realize he does he might be scum or not drunk enough yet Oh, I'm taking pills, so I don't think you'll see me drunk this game Which means I'll suck LOLOLOL | ||
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On October 12 2014 06:27 geript wrote: Why would you say he might be scum instead of just flat out calling him scum? I think you are trying hard here. 1st page of thread and you raise this kind of suspicion. Do you really believe he should be calling me scum instead saying I might be scum in the first page of the game? | ||
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On October 12 2014 06:32 geript wrote: How do you know that he's trying to find a slip? Doesn't that presume he's town? This sounds like complete bullshit. He did this in past game as both alignments, if I remember correctly. | ||
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On October 12 2014 06:40 DarthPunk wrote: What the fuck is it with people whinging about try harding. Firstly: This is not try harding. Secondly: Why would you not try your best? Makes no sense and annoys the shit out of me. Raising suspicions on someone because he thinks that a guy that only posted an entrance COULD be mafia, instead is thinking that the guy IS mafia, is try hard for me. It looks like scum try hard. Your vote on damdred was also bizarre. Damdred looks terrible for what reason, specifically? You say you don't have a is about his alignment yet but still votes on him because "you don't care?" | ||
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On October 12 2014 06:54 DarthPunk wrote: Congratulations, you successfully recited what happened in the thread. Care to draw a conclusion? or provide some analysis? Damdred looks terrible because his posts were useless and made no positive contribution to the thread. Which is pretty damn obvious in my opinion. Conclusion: geript is mafia tryhard and you are suspicious of being mafia or trying to look as mafia | ||
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On October 12 2014 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote: could you rephrase this so that it makes sense this time? Geript: trying too hard at the start of the game, picking on little things. He is mafia DarthPunk: his vote on damdred is too scummy. He is either bad mafia (which I don't believe so, he is a legend ![]() Start ignoring me, I really believe this at the moment. | ||
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On October 12 2014 07:15 Hopeless1der wrote: DP is intentionally trying to look scummy? is that your argument here? I'm saying he could. I don't want to discuss that anymore, really. | ||
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On October 12 2014 07:08 Damdred wrote: GB, i'm not really seeing mafia in geripts posting right now, he always rides my balls pretty hard. Could you point out something that shows him that way? Damdy, I don't believe someone who joins the thread, makes thousand of questions and raises suspicions on little things. Specially on page 1. | ||
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On October 12 2014 07:20 VisceraEyes wrote: In a vacuum vote-skipping is town-indicative...it shows a carelessness with regard to one's outward appearance and fearlessness of retribution in the form of OMGUS votes. The question is whether /you/ think it's scummy for DP or not. What do you think? Answering damdred: Damdy, the easiest thing for mafia to do is to come early in the thread and try to look contributive until someone townreads him. I did exactly what geript is doing in Mission. I'm more inclined to believe that mafia would be this tryhard at page 1 than town. Throwing votes is town trait. Throwing votes without reasoning, or even saying he doesn't care is scummy to me. But too scummy to be scum. As I said, I don't want to discuss this specific point anymore. | ||
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On October 12 2014 07:35 Chairman Ray wrote: This is worrisome. You guys started the game picking on small, insignificant things, and some pointless votes were thrown around. Wasn't too long before you guys all started town reading one another. Either you guys all have very obvious town metas, or this may indicate a conversation between mafia. Oh, hai! You've been reading my posts ![]() | ||
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On October 12 2014 07:41 Damdred wrote: @GB tell me what you think about CR right now He "parroted" me. Gotta hear more from him. I'm really worried about sqrt right now. He said hi and disappeared | ||
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On October 12 2014 07:48 Chairman Ray wrote: I think the scum claim was perfectly fine. He just wanted to make a math joke, unlike most scum claims that seem kinda forced. I'm more worried about him ducking out of the thread after making a joke. ^ this CR, you said exactly what I said about trying hard and throwing votes, so, that was kinda parroting. | ||
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Geript, damdy is playing just like his last town play and his line of questioning matches his recent townplays. When he is mafia he does question but posts some poor reasoned wall of texts after it As I said, just a meta read. | ||
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On October 12 2014 08:17 DarthPunk wrote: Well that doesn't really make much sense as you started this conversation saying: In the first quote, he says he sees me answering all questions In the second, he basically says that, although in answering questions, he wants me to elaborate a bit more. No contradiction. | ||
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On October 12 2014 08:23 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I've never had so many scum reads so early on ever. I like Damdred so far. And DP. I don't like CR or VE or geript or GB or hopeless. Oh, hai! Explain please | ||
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On October 12 2014 08:24 DarthPunk wrote: Was I talking to you? If I want you to answer a question or defend someone I will ask you. It clearly wasn't a contradiction. I'll point out your question even if it isn't directed to me | ||
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On October 12 2014 08:28 DarthPunk wrote: Please don't. If I am asking something there is a specific reason. If you continue to stick your nose where it isn't wanted I will policy lynch you. If you really feel the need to give your input. Wait until the person I am actually talking to answers first. Fair enough. You're right. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [questioning] + On October 12 2014 06:26 geript wrote: Hello "town." Why'd you take so long coming to the thread? On October 12 2014 06:27 geript wrote: Why would you say he might be scum instead of just flat out calling him scum? On October 12 2014 06:32 geript wrote: How do you know that he's trying to find a slip? Doesn't that presume he's town? This sounds like complete bullshit. On October 12 2014 06:37 geript wrote: If you're happy to play, then why are you bullshitting so much early? I don't think his massive questioning is a town trait. I think it's a scum trying to look like town here. Look, it's easy to start questioning and look contributive at early game. It's a good opportunity for mafia to gain two points. But check the second quote. He raises suspicions on damdy for saying that I might be mafia instead of being incisive. Should damdy be really that incisive when I've only posted twice? Why picking on this? He picked on this because it is easy to pick and look contributive. It's easy to see something little and question about it, specially when there's nothing to infer from it, and gain town points by doing that. I see much more a mafia doing this than a townie. Now, on DP On October 12 2014 06:35 DarthPunk wrote: Holy crap. Damdred looks terrible already. Don't know if he is scum or town but I kinda don't care. ##vote: Damdred "I have no idea about his alignment but I'll vote him LOLOLOL I DON'T CARE" Not caring is a mafia trait, right? So this is really scum. But isn't this too scum? Like, if you're mafia, you would risking posting like this? So, my conclusions on this post is 1) He is mafia trying to be read as town because he is too mafia to be mafia, or 2) He is blue fishing for a null read. He starts looking scummy but then goes to a town like position, which would make people only lean town on him. But talking about blue roles is stupid, it only helps mafia. That's why I didn't want to talk about it. This took to long, I think I made my point. | ||
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On October 12 2014 08:58 DarthPunk wrote: GlowingBear, What if I said that I would 100% lynch a shit posting townie day one even if I knew he was town. If you KNOW he is town, you're mafia. If you think the guy is town and is posting shit, ignoring him is better. You have to keep townies alive. | ||
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On October 12 2014 09:04 DarthPunk wrote: Nope. I would lynch a shit posting townie day one as town. Even if I knew he was town. Damdred was shit posting at the start, So I wanted to lynch him. And I LITERALLY didn't care what his alignment was. I think you were too quick to say he was shit posting. His question was okay. What specifically looked like shit on damdys early posts? | ||
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Ritoky reads are bizarre. He may be mafia does anybody know how to turn back to mobile version? Extremely hard to use website version on a phone | ||
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On October 12 2014 12:25 geript wrote: Super Dumb heuristic #1 I'm going to keep track of how many ridiculous reasons are used to call people town or mafia from now on despite the fact that I'm pretty sure that you've already made like 4-5. Including your completely unsubstantiated and I'm pretty sure flat out wrong meta read on Damdred. I'm sorry I made a joke :/ | ||
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On October 12 2014 12:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Everyone seems absurdly suspicous of DP what the fuck man, CR/GB. Yes? What do you want from me? | ||
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On October 12 2014 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote: stop calling DP scum just cause hes suspicious and you are not. I just said that I thought he could be blue? Lol. | ||
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On October 12 2014 15:37 geript wrote: I don't really remembering CR doing much past this post. That means he's likely less interested in playing which is only really understandable to me if he rolled scum. THIS is a very good observation | ||
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On October 12 2014 15:13 DarthPunk wrote: I get you now but you should have phrased it better. Glowing bear what do you make of this food spam guy? I've said that his read post was has but him posting food doesn't make him scum or town. I'm gonna analyse that post later tomorrow, after I re read the thread | ||
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On October 12 2014 16:57 Oatsmaster wrote: How about him backtracking on that statement a few posts later? Sounds townish. What do you think about it? | ||
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On October 12 2014 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Just answer the fact you called DarthPunk mafia with the thought in mind you didn't know if he is mafia or town and how on earth it does make any sense at all? It made sense to me at that moment. I've seen Haru doing the same thing as blue (team melee). Yes, it's not a good play, but I can't understand town motive behind saying "I'll vote for him without having any idea of his alignment because I don't care". Why do you come to the thread and say that? He said that damdy had shitty posts. My god, it was still page one. His only post was asking me what would I think if he called me mafia. Do you think this is so shitty to the point of a town being ready to kill a town? So, this made me think that he tried to open the game looking scummy. I don't know if that's because he is mafia trying to look too scum to be scum or a blue fishing for a null tell (he goes for a vote streak which is a town trait, objectively. Looking scummy and then trying to look townie would grant him a close-to-null tell). This was my thought at the moment and I was sure pointing it out would least give us information to work with. I will NOT read him solely on that and I think nobody should. But I think it's okay to use it as a secondary argument. | ||
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On October 12 2014 11:17 ritoky wrote: just finished reading the thread, don't particularly have much. prob towns: VE - His posts have a similar feeling to how I am feeling. I rolled mafia for the first time in all of my games on these forums last time and it was just stressful. Rolled town and felt instant relief. His first post reads very much the same. He also keeps pushing people toward giving/looking for alignment indicative information. sqrt - getting scumread by a lot of people and posts this: which is fairly contrary to much of the general sentiment in the thread. don't really see that coming from a mafia perspective. dem maf leaners: geript - this is a bit of a meta read coming from limited experience playing with him, so take it with a grain of salt. however, in the games i have played with geript when he is town he starts out early on in 1 of two moods: happy or angry. neither of those is serious of tryhardy. he got a little happier later on, but that felt in response to VE being happy less so than of his own accord. he just doesn't feel townie geript who's babies i would consider having at this point. damdred - "i have a super amazing town tell on GB that will auto-town read GB but i won't explain it and i plan to post this multiple times in the thread so everyone knows how amazing the read is but not give you any content in regards to it at all." yeah, no thanks dude. seems more interested in looking like he is doing things than doing them to me. Why his reads are bad: "VE is town because he has a relieved feeling in his posts". Do you really believe that this is something you can read from a forum game, or that this kind of thing is so clear that makes you believe someone is town? Also, he says VE is gathering information from people. From his perspective, isn't geript too? Isn't DP? Why solely VE got a town pass? He then townreads sqrt. He came to the thread, made a joke and lurked. Contributed with nothing. When he posts his reads, he is town because he have different reads from everybody? Do you think this is alignment indicative? I don't. He says geript isn't scum because he isn't happy. Again, that feeling thing. Also, Rayn, it's totally okay to have the same scum read of your scum read. Mafia can always bus and in this particular case, we have different reasonings. And you know that. And you knowing that worries me. His scum read on damdy is basically saying that he should be telling us my town tell. If damdred says it to everybody, I'll be able to fake it. It's obvious. It doesn't make damdred scum for that. BUT the past of not being contributive is okay. I think damdred should speak more. | ||
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On October 12 2014 23:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so; You thought DarthPunk was mafia when you made this post? right? "Or trying to look as mafia" is me thinking he could be blue, but I didn't want to say it because it could help mafia blue hunting. But I was pratically forced to say it. | ||
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On October 12 2014 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nevermind i misread something in your last post. Anyways, you didn't answer my question. You called DarthPunk mafia without knowing if he is town or mafia. More importantly, you have a possible blue read on him and ALL your posting implicates you are not more sure of him being mafia than blue. So in your opinion it was the best play to out a possible blue role (because if DarthPunk was mafia -- as you said, he would need to be "bad mafia which he is not"). So in fact as per your posting you had a blue read on DarthPunk and the best way to handle it was to call him scum? I had both scenarios in mind. Why not saying he could be scum, get people talking, and not talking about the blue scenario? If you check, I immediately decided to not talk about DP and focus on geript. | ||
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On October 12 2014 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: So the thought didn't cross your mind you will be called out for your crappy read (yeah it was really crappy)? You literally said this: Here you do say "DarthPunk is either mafia (which u do not believe!!) or he is town blue (which you did clarify later on)". Again how does it make any sense to out a guy you have a blue read on by calling him scum? My phrasing was bad. I mean only a bad mafia would be so careless to do that vote with that reasoning. But an okay mafia would do the too scum to be scum. I don't know DPs play but I find it plausible. You're again assuming I had only a blue read on him. I can call him out so at least I gather information about his alignment without making him look blue. I've already gave you all my reasons. I don't care if people will find my cases crappy. I'll come to the thread, say what I'm thinking and at least get people talking, specially on early day1 | ||
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Rayn, we have different impressions from ritoky's post. Our main arguments are only opinion, do I find it hard to convince you of what I see on ritoky and I find hard that you will convince me of what you see on ritoky's post. I propose we change the subject at this point | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:07 kushm4sta wrote: whos scummy Lol I totes forgot you were playing | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: red: Although you called him a "legend" and "didn't think that is the case"? i am not sure i believe you regarding "i misphrased my thoughts". green: Yes i am because YOU SAID SO! Now you are giving excuses, but you really did say so. Literally, as i pointed out. But let's think for a moment you are telling the truth here and misphrased your post. The way you called him out made every single intelligent person realize what you are saying (mafia or blue). You basically put yourself into a situation where you hint you think DP is blue if he is not mafia and then you shut yourself down when people (obviously) call you out. Do you REALLY think it was the best way to call DP out, instead of let's say like: "DarthPunk why is your read on Damdred so bad? You can't possibly think he is scum for that, so why are you saying so?" No, it was a bad way to call him out. I'm not justifying it. I'm explaining it. I agree with you. Again, I decided to not talk about DP because I thought it would be bad. | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read. You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning). That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!" Now you're misquoting me. I said he could be trying to look scum. It does not automatically implies he is blue. If you think that was so clear, why people started saying my read was bizarre or forcing me to explain it? If it's clear, why don't you shut up about it? If you think it was that clear, what do you think of people who forced me into talking about it? | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also an okay mafia never ever does "too scum to be scum". Never ever. They do "too town to be scum"..... Dat indirect burn | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i am not going to convince you about my read on you so let's talk about somethingelse since you are the only one here. What's your read on CR? Leaning town. I had some suspicions on him but his posts are making sense, which is not something that happens too much when he is mafia. Yours? | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i joined the fucking game after you made your post about you thinking he is blue.... There is no reason to shut up about it any more. Vanilla townies never ever try to look like scum for any reason. rofl, what other explanation there is for your phrase than "blue"? You defended yourself and avoided the question. | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i joined the fucking game after you made your post about you thinking he is blue.... There is no reason to shut up about it any more. Vanilla townies never ever try to look like scum for any reason. rofl, what other explanation there is for your phrase than "blue"? Why making such entrance, then? What so you get from his opening? Tell me town motivation behind doing that kind of post. | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because they think you are mafia as you did scummy thing. That would be my interpretation. Which is also why i am questioning DP about his read on you. They think I'm mafia knowing I have a blue tell and wants me to say who this blue tell is? Does this make sense to you? As you said, it was clear I had a blue tell. Why not questioning me solely on geript instead of forcing me into giving my blue read on DP? Why town would waste time with known fact and even help mafia blue hunting? | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Town motivation for calling someone mafia at the start of the game? Well to get the game started... Get people talking about something game relevant.... Get people to take stances.. Put pressure on people who might be mafia... He didn't call Damdred mafia, he said he didn't care for his alignment. Are you scumreading me for attacking a post without even knowing its content? | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also that's not what i said. Not at all.. I said you gave yourself an out by saying DP is blue if not mafia. Townies do not think someone is blue if they do a scummy thing "because town can act scummy if they are blue". That's just bullshit. Townies push a case on scummy people because they want to lynch mafia. You are not doing that. Rayn, I've explained I have seen a similar play on team melee vets VS newbies. I also commented your post on ritoky. I said everything was a matter of opinion and that I thought we wouldn't convince each other regarding him. | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have no idea what you are trying to achieve with this so explain yourself. Ok. Explaining further. You're a town and you saw my post on DP. "Tried to look scum" sounded like I had a blue tell on DP. What would a townie do? 1) Force me into saying who I think is blue 2) Inquire me regarding my other scum read You agree with me it would be (2), or at least never (1), right? But people forced me into saying that I thought DP was blue. So: A) Either you're wrong on saying I was clearly hinting DP was blue or B) It was clear and scum tried to force me into saying I think DP is blue. Therefore, what do you make of people who forced me into giving my blue read on DP? | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: He called him useless which would mean he is either mafia or anyways not helping the town. Which translates into a message to all the people: "Don't be useless because you'll get lynched if you are". That'sa pro-town behaviour regardless of DarthPunk's alignement. If he had kept his vote on Damdred and just pushed his lynch it would more likely to be mafia behaviour. But he didn't. He is calling all the people who make useless posts out. Is that a mafia trait to you? Like i can understand you initially give DP a scumread for his vote on Damdred. but still? scumreading him for that is ridiculous given what he has done since. You understand that that was my early impression and that I have new reads right now, right? I mean, I'm trying to clarify my early play. I don't have strong reads on them. I actually don't have strong reads on anybody yet. I just find that the most scummy, for now, are sqrt and ritoky. I'm waiting for more posts from them both, and from Damdred, whom I'm ready to rescind my town pass. | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: (1) is not relevant. People would force you to say you think DP is blue because they think you already think so and if you give a different reasoning for your scummy post you are 100% mafia. Why would anyone do (2) instead of (1) as you have already outed your "blue or mafia" read on DP? Which is why i don't believe you, this is too easy to figure out. It is too easy to figure out in case you are town you should never have said what you did in the first place. It's too easy to figure out (1) is obviously the correct answer. And i don't believe you are dumb enough to not see that. I might be dumb then, because no, if I'm town, I'd never force someone into clearly saying his blue read on anyone, because it could be clear for me but not clear for mafia. I'm never going to help the blue hunt. I don't think (1) is irrelevant and I find odd that you think it that way. | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Probably not. GlowingBear. Where did your scumread on geript go? I'm not feeling he is scummy anymore. Null for now. I'm actually going to re read the thread soon to consolidate my reads | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:59 Oatsmaster wrote: all Im seeing is the same thing from 2 pages ago. Why are you still arguing if you think hes scum? Are you trying to convince GB that he is scum? Propose something different, contribute. You've being hiding too much. Who's mafia? | ||
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There isn't a single scum read from you. And as Rayn said, we've been debating for two pages, and you think we are both town. Why not strongly interveining and put us in the direction of your scumread, if you have one? | ||
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On October 13 2014 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk. maybe ritoky is mafia after all. I don't believe GB is scum anymore and noone is really pushing sqrt which i would expect mafia to do in case he was town and ritoky was whatever alignment. This is a good observation. Also, I noticed that Oats, who's being too passive, never cited sqrt in his posts. I am NOT doing associative reads right now. I just think that lynching one of them would be pretty informative. | ||
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On October 13 2014 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote: you clearly dont understand the situation. X plain, puhleeze. | ||
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On October 13 2014 01:24 Oatsmaster wrote: lynching for "info" is really bad. Why are you proposing it? I'm not lynching for info. You've being too passive and rayn brought a good point regarding sqrt. You both are acting scummy. | ||
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On October 13 2014 01:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Explain how does the part you bolded make any sense at all? I literally had a brainfart and it in fact does NOT make any sense. ![]() ##unvote ##vote: GlowingBear LOL it totally makes sense. That guy claimed scum. He says hi and goes into lurking. Doesn't contribute at all but with bad reads. WHY is nobody pushing him? Easiest thing to do as mafia. | ||
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On October 13 2014 01:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Then why use that word? You dont use words unless you mean them. And you are implying that my flip is connected to sqrt. Thats associative. Will be associative if one of you flips mafia. But I'm not willing to lynch you based on associative reads now. That's what I'm trying to say. | ||
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On October 13 2014 01:33 VisceraEyes wrote: ChairmanRay is pushing him GB. ChairmanRay is pushing him so the whole statement is pointless because someone is doing what rayn says no one is doing. It's not a good point at all. That post from CR is old. I think mafia would be more inquisitive. But okay, I've got your point. | ||
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On October 13 2014 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote: YOU CANT LYNCH ME BASED ON ASSOCIATIVE READS. THERE ARE NO FLIPS. ITS NOT POSSIBLE. OH MY GOSH WHAT IS THIS GAME>?? ????!?? I meant unflipped association. I'm not trying to lynch you out of unflipped association. That's what I'm trying to say. God my phrasing is awful... | ||
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On October 13 2014 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote: No one would do that. Of course. Why did I think you would do such a bad thing GB? Because I said you never cited sqrt in your posts, which could make people think I was making unflipped associations, or that I was willing to lynch you both out of unflipped associations. I'm not. The game is actually pretty hard to figure out, IMO. I'm worried about Snow Man and Kush. Where are these guys? | ||
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On October 13 2014 02:04 Oatsmaster wrote: actually you know what. ##vote GlowingBear This is how easy Rayn got mafia to vote for me | ||
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On October 13 2014 02:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Rayn thinks Oats is now confirmed town GB. ggnore. For reasons unknown... Do you think Rayn might be mafia, VE? | ||
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On October 13 2014 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know what rayn is yet. But he's alive, so I'm certainly not going to do anything. Why not? I don't understand this. | ||
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I was town and I was right on him. It doesn't mean much I've been giving reads and explaining them the entire game. I don't think you guys have strong reasons to call me scum. I'm trying to understand what's happening in the game. | ||
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On October 13 2014 02:38 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't realize what game it was, no. I didn't follow the link because he said "does anyone think anything is similar" rather than "I find X similar to this game, and Y as well but he does Z differently so that gives me pause" I actually said that his line of questioning was similar to his townplay, like the one you could find on that micro mafia. I think damdred is more inclined to do unsubstantiated wall of posts when he is mafia. I have yet to search for a game he played as mafia to show you that, but I'm too lazy to do that. But it's up to you to believe it or not. Just find and lynch scum. I also said that I'm ready to rescind my town read on him. Reason being: he is too passive. | ||
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On October 13 2014 02:44 Hopeless1der wrote: It is not up to us to believe. This is why you are being scumread, you say you know something then refuse to share with the class. Do you have a reason at all or are you making up bullshit? we dont know, hence we ask. I've never refused to share. I'm giving you all I remember. I have this feeling that damdred is town for his line of questioning. I also have a feeling he probably isn't mafia because he isn't doing shitty unsubstantiated wall of posts. I've brought a game to exemplify what I believe his townplay is. I don't remember which game he played like that as mafia, but I have this feeling that mafia!damdred would do wall of posts. | ||
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I'm also amazed that you guys are reading me as mafia. | ||
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On October 13 2014 05:28 Hopeless1der wrote: where the fuck am i the link to team melee in the database goes to http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-strategy/46135-tvz-help-vs-hydralurk wtf? You're looking for it to see haru trying to look scum? I can give you our hydra qt | ||
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On October 13 2014 06:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I would lynch this guy before anyone else in the game. I would lynch kush | ||
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On October 13 2014 17:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Like geript calls out GB early on for decent reason, then backtracks on him for really nebulous reasoning based on something he said way earlier (evidently on reread or whatever)... I don't know, it all looks shady whilst I'm reading GB as mafia. VE, you're making unflipped association... | ||
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On October 13 2014 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: To clarify. I don't think sn0 is necessarily town. I think he is basically unreadable on d1 and what he has said is in line with his towngames imo. Geript has a point on oats. Oats could be mafia because is not crazy-pushing anyone. GlowingBear is clearly not scumhunting and making posts without even thinking what he says. His scumreads changed suddenly to sno & kush.... surprise surprise lurkers. I don't buy his defense. I just don't. For a second i thought he was town because of his comment on oats but then he went back to derpland immediately. Ritoky could still be scum. I don't see what he is trying to achieve wirh his latest posting. Other people look more or less town. Not lynching sqrt. You're constantly misreading me. I want them both to come to the thread and play. They were lurking all day one. Wtf, we have no tucking information on them! We are reaching n1 without having any idea if their alignments. You guys are saying I'm not scum hunting, but I was pointing out what I thought was wrong since the beginning of the game. My reads changed and I'm suspicious of sqrt, oats, DP. Sqrt is simply skimming the thread and posting unreasoned reads. He didn't even realis Rayn replaced Barakos. Thread was already heated when he made his entrance and went inactive. Oats is mostly posting one liners and not scum hunting at all. I pointed that he had not a single scum read in his filter. DP, yes, I promised reads but I went lazy. You're calling me scum for that? Also, only now you've read what I said of you, and now you scum read me for that? Now that Rayn wants me lynched? And then you're suddenly convinced? You haven't read what I posted before? And you were one who forced me into saying my blue tell. I also explained to Rayn that that was my read on that time. You're voting on me solely on that? | ||
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VE is also suspicious. My filter is mostly reads and he says my filter is mostly fluff. Give me examples of fluff and why that is fluff. | ||
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I'd rather lynch oats. Why is oats confirmed town to you, Rayn? | ||
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On October 13 2014 20:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Your reasons are horrific. Please make a proper meta read if you really want to push me. And watch it get deconstructed piece by piece. Go ahead Glowingbear. I'm not making a meta read out of you. I'm scum reading you for being too passive. Come on, you say you scumread ritoky. There is no reasoning in your filter. Why do you want to lynch ritoky? | ||
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On October 13 2014 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote: What do you mean by too passive? Thats in comparison to something. What? ritoky is scum for posting food pics. Posting a horribly bad list post. Not interested in finding scum, more interested in antagonizing people. I can see scum on ritoky as well. Oats, when you keep posting without giving direction to the thread or at least giving reasoned reads, you are not contributing, you're being passive. It's not a comparison. Who else do you think is scum? | ||
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Take a look: On October 13 2014 07:56 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, I'm back, but I have a really busy thanksgiving weekend. I'll touch on the people who I haven't yet, and go back to the festivities. Barakos has few posts, but they are all really good. Rayn is null Kush hasn't done anything. Neither has Sn0. Ritoky is interesting. I have no idea what all the food pictures are. Oats is town. My vote is on glowingbear. Don't expect me to talk until tuesday. This post solely can make me scum read sqrt. Multiple reasons: 1) Not reading the thread (doesn't know that rayn replaced barakos) 2) Obvious reads/ null reads (kush hasn't done anything, neither has sno. No shit.) 3) Ritoky is interesting (WHAT?) 4) Not giving reasons behind his reads (or poor/forced reasons in his filter. He scum read CR because he TRIED to "inflate his filter"???) 5) Dropping his vote on me without explaining it, not caring for the lynch. BUT Considering he is town. He said he was going to drop his vote on me until tuesday. Which means is a guaranteed vote on a townie, who people is constantly scumreading. I believe that mafia would use this to guarantee a mislynch on me. It means that some mafia will suddenly scumread me. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? | ||
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I'm trying to figure the game out, and I've just brought the scenarios I think is likeable. I think that mafia COULD be just watching us killing ourselves.It IS a possibility. Again, I think we are doing a bad job reaching night one without enough information from other players. And yet you couldn't find a fluff post. Just said I should read my filter. You've just read it and you have no example? ¬¬ And I am inquiring oats because I want him speaking more. Would you let me? | ||
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On October 13 2014 21:03 DarthPunk wrote: So what you are saying glowing bear. Is that because Sqrt is voting you, REGARDLESS OF SQUIRTS ALIGNMENT mafia must be voting for you? That sounds like a pretty fucking poor argument. What I'm saying is that if he is town, that is a guaranteed vote for a mislynch. He will look suspicious and mafia can force a mislynch on him next day, IF HE IS TOWN. It's PRETTY REASONABLE that mafia uses that guaranteed vote and reach a mislynch by the end of the day. | ||
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On October 13 2014 21:03 DarthPunk wrote: Who are the Mafia glowing bear? WHO ARE THE MAFIA??!?! WHY ARE THEY MAFIA?!?! OATS IS MAFIA BECAUSE HE IS BEING TOO PASSIVE, HE JUST STARTED TALKING ABOUT RITOKY NOW, BUT CHECK HIS FILTER AND SEE IF HE IS TRYING TO SOLVE THE GAME SQRT JUST GAVE HIS REASONING BECAUSE I INQUIRED HIM WHY HE WAS SCUMREADING PEOPLE, THEN HE CAME WITH SHITTY READS LIKE "CR IS INFLATING HIS FILTER" AND "GB DOESN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT DP". HIS ENTRANCE WAS WHEN THE THREAD WAS HEATED AND HE HAVEN'T SAID A SINGLE WORD TO TRY TO SOLVE THE GAME. I hope caps lock shows my scumreads now. | ||
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On October 13 2014 21:10 DarthPunk wrote: Go make a convincing case with arguments that are persuasive. It is not my responsibility to prove your filter is fluff, it is YOUR responsibility to prove that it ISN'T You know this argument is shit. Really DP, If someone accuses me of something, is not my duty to prove I'm innocent, is his duty to prove I'm guilty. Like, come on. | ||
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On October 13 2014 21:12 DarthPunk wrote: No you are saying that if he is mafia, mafia are trying to lynch you and if he is town mafia are trying to lynch you. What you are saying is bullshit. I'm saying that I can't see a scenario when an untunneled town drop his vote on someone and simply doesn't care for the lynch, making sqrt mafia. And if he is town, is easy to see that mafia would try to use that guaranteed vote and mislynch him day2. If you're really town and what I'm saying is written in their qt, I'll fucking pm you everyday with a quote from there | ||
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On October 13 2014 21:15 DarthPunk wrote: That is not how this game actually works. This is exactly how everything works. You want me to give my scum reads and reason them, and convince you that people I point out are guilty. That's how you catch mafia. You don't catch mafia saying "I'M INNOCENT LOLOLOLOLOL" Come on. | ||
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On October 13 2014 21:16 DarthPunk wrote: If your filter isn't full of nothing then why do you not want to prove it and assuage my suspicions? If you accuse me of having a fluffy filter, why aren't you trying to convince people that I actually have one? What do you want me to do? Quote every single post from my filter and say: "look, this isn't fluffy! see?" You know you're wrong now. You're tunneling and is starting to force bad arguments now. | ||
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On October 13 2014 21:22 DarthPunk wrote: Three of the best players in the game agreed. I don;t need to prove shit. Basically Sure, whatever lets you sleep at night bby. The best players on the game are mislynching a townie and letting people with much less contribution to the game survive. The best players on the game are either mafia or not the best players on the game. Your reffusal to bring examples is weird. You have no substantied read on me. Are you sheeping rayn because it's easy to mislynch me now? Well, if you're town, it seems you don't want me to convince you. What are your scumreads, besides me? | ||
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On October 13 2014 21:20 DarthPunk wrote: My vote is on you motherfucker. When you are the leading wagon, proving your innocence is EXACTLY how this game works. I say your filter is fluffy compared to the game VE linked. Now you prove me wrong or you WILL get lynched. And THAT. IS EXACTLY. How this game works. LOL I've been defending myself for hours and explaining all my posts. Proving I'm not posting fluff is impossible. Let me show you what you're doing right now: I accuse you of typing with your nose. Prove you're not. | ||
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On October 13 2014 21:31 DarthPunk wrote: That isn't going to get me lynched is it? LOL do you really not understand that proving yourself to be town is part of the game? You know why I think you refuse to prove your filter isn't EXACTLY the way VE said it is. Because he is right, you are scum, and you CAN'T I understand that proving I'm town is part of the game. I try to do that explaining my posts. But I don't have the onus of proving I'm not posting fluff. It's your onus when you're accusing me, and then I'll defend myself. But again, you can't find a single fluff, you just keep saying I'm mafia for a thing you can't prove. You want me to defend myself? 1) I have one of the biggest filters on Day1. This is enough motive for NOT lynching someone Day1. 2) I have been active as hell (although I shouldn't) and commenting everyone throughout the game, trying to figure out and considering every scenario, analysing every option 3) I have been constantly giving reads when I get them Some of my reasonings were bad, some weren't. This doesn't make me mafia. You say I'm not scumhunting? You think that asking questions and pointing out suspicious things isn't scumhunting? Do you really think I'm the most passive person in the game? | ||
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On October 13 2014 21:30 DarthPunk wrote: That's not how I work. I focus on one thing at a time. Right now I want to lynch you. Before I wanted to lynch you, I'm sure you can read my filter and become enlightened as to what I feel about things. And now you're dodging. Boy, you're mafia. | ||
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You're not my strongest read. I'd rather lynch one of the ones I've already pointed out. It's useless talking to you right now and I've already defended myself all that I could. I can't do anymore. | ||
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On October 13 2014 22:03 Oatsmaster wrote: It makes me feel bad to lynch angry people. Can you go quietly to your death GlowingBear? Btw, passivity is hardly a scumtell. Passivity is mostly a scumtell I'm starting to not care anymore. 13 people in the game, only 5 or 6 are active. I'm wasting my breath with people that are already convinced I'm scum, even if I'm showing I'm not. I'm voting sqrt and I'm not taking my vote out of him unless if it is to lynch you or DP. I want to clarify anything that makes you guys say I'm mafia. But I can't even understand why are you reading me that way. Nobody pointed out a fluff of mine. I've already explained my blue tell/scum tell on DP. I'm constantly evaluating lynch options. I can't do more, really. | ||
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On October 13 2014 22:07 DarthPunk wrote: What do you want me to say. It's Kush, he just ninjavoted Sn0_Man but he unvoted so I don't even think he knew if he was voting for someone or not. It means he is online, following the thread, voting and not contributing. Scummy. Whatever. | ||
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On October 13 2014 22:21 kushm4sta wrote: yo gb why sqrt? there are people more deserving of a plynch. i like sqrts brief early game arguments. I think sqrt's early arguments are bad and that he didn't try to contribute when thread was heated. He just said hi and went off. Then came back, post shitty lists without reasoning, and goes offline again. It's not a plynch, is a strong scum read lynch. It's different from you that lurked all the game and didn't fake contributing. | ||
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On October 13 2014 22:19 Oatsmaster wrote: If you could explain why your play is different from that other game linked, that would be cool. I don't see much difference to be honest and I surely can't explain. I'd say I always play differently each game. Maybe you'll see that my scum play isn't like what I'm doing here. You can check Mission Minimafia, where I replaced 3d12. | ||
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On October 13 2014 22:18 Oatsmaster wrote: You could make a slamdunk case on practically anyone in the game, be around a bit before deadline, post a shitton and convince either VE/rayn or DP not to lynch you but lynch the dude you posted about. Other than that, its a bit hard. What you said, 6-7 people are inactive therefore passive. not all of them are scum. At most 50% are. Therefore passivity isnt exclusive to scum and isnt a scumtell. I can't make a slamdunk case when I'm arguing that someone has a lack of posting. The hugest problem in sqrt is that he lacks posting AND when he posts he fakes contributing when he is not. So, regarding sqrt: 1) He is constantly lurking 2) When he comes to the thread, he doesn't contribute to he ongoing discussion. Just says hi and goes lurking. 3) When he posts reads, he does not explain motives behind it. Just makes a list and goes into lurking again 4) When inquired to explain reads, arguments are forced (CR trying to inflate filter was too much for my heart) 5) Votes on a townie and says won't be posting until day2 Come on... | ||
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On October 13 2014 23:00 Damdred wrote: Mission mafia is probably not the best thing to point to because you replaced in with only a cycle or two to go. And had special rules that you had to submit to or die. This game is probably your scum meta, its pretty close to arnie but is a bit more refined and it shares some characteristics of your play here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466211-tl-mafia-lxviii-fanfic-crossover-edition?user=GlowingBear GB did you ever answer the question I posted to you? What question? | ||
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THERE you will find a lot of fluff. A LOT. I am trying much more here to solve the game than I was in there. Like, really damdred, I woke up and all I did until now was skim through the topic and answer questions | ||
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Because he doesn't care. He just drops his vote and whoever gets lynched, it's fine, because there is already townies being voted. He simply does not care. | ||
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On October 13 2014 23:06 Damdred wrote: probably missed it do to autocorrect Rephrase it so I can understand it lol | ||
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On October 13 2014 23:21 Oatsmaster wrote: but he has to know its gonna cause huge controversy. How many scum players you know claim scum in their first post, then play like this? The "too scum to be scum" player ![]() | ||
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On October 13 2014 23:14 Damdred wrote: In your filter you called me town repeatedly and then when you came under pressure you said that you were ready to rescend it. Mostly it seems that this was due to me being absent from the thread correct? And that I was to passive? But then even though you say these things you never make mention of it again or try to scum read me later on either, it all feels like you are trying to negate pressure on you with some of your reads at that point. Ok got it. You were absent and not pushing your reads so it made me have second thoughts on your gameplay. But you said you're traveling so I decided to give you more time. I have stronger reads than you so why should I focus someone I have leaning town than focusing my scum reads? | ||
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They do. I'm one. If you keep believing someone is "too scum to be scum", you'll let a lot of obvious scum slip through your fingers | ||
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I'll check the thread from hour to hour but I won't be playing much now. | ||
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On October 14 2014 01:03 geript wrote: @VE. How sure are you of that meta read on GB? Also what you think of oats? I'll anticipate his answer: not so sure. He played with me like.. 2 times? And he only reviewed my most recent town game. There's no much difference between then | ||
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On October 14 2014 01:29 Oatsmaster wrote: no fuck no info no sucks no what the fuck no please no. Sigh... Is he your mafia partner? Do you really think he is town? | ||
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See? There's no fluff posts inside the quote. You're welcome. (This is how stupid proving the absence of something is) | ||
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None of my reasonings are bad... God... | ||
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On October 13 2014 23:04 GlowingBear wrote: I can't make a slamdunk case when I'm arguing that someone has a lack of posting. The hugest problem in sqrt is that he lacks posting AND when he posts he fakes contributing when he is not. So, regarding sqrt: 1) He is constantly lurking 2) When he comes to the thread, he doesn't contribute to he ongoing discussion. Just says hi and goes lurking. 3) When he posts reads, he does not explain motives behind it. Just makes a list and goes into lurking again 4) When inquired to explain reads, arguments are forced (CR trying to inflate filter was too much for my heart) 5) Votes on a townie and says won't be posting until day2 Come on... Geript, give me your impression on this read. | ||
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On October 14 2014 01:59 geript wrote: I think it's terrible. I have no clue if lurking is alignment indicative for sqrt. Point 2 is ok-ish. Point 3 is wtf? List reads followed by lurking is bad play; but it's bad play from both alignments and not terribly specific. Point 4 is a supposition not an actual objective fact. Wasn't it Sn0 who said he wouldn't be posting until day 2? Point three, the main factor is that he post his lists but does not explain them. He just drops names and a vote on me. Just like "hi, look, I'm contributing. Bye bye". And no, it was sqrt who said he was going to vote me and just come back on Tuesday. | ||
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I have a hard time seeing Rayn as mafia. I'm having a hard time seeing VE as mafia (my suspicions on him were mostly OMGUS), I'm having a hard time seeing you as mafia. I have no idea about the others. | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Your entire case is "He said X and then lurked" which people do regardless of their alignment. Howcome you're not calling out Sn0_Man for lurking? Is it simply because he refuses to play rather than "promise content" like sqrt? The main problem isn't only that he is lurking. Is that he is following the game, faking contributing, and then lurking. Do you understand this? It's different from just lurking, like snow and kush. I don't like them either, but they are JUST lurking. They aren't posting unreasoned reads or faking contribution. | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I can kinda see that part of the read, but frankly I don't think that MAKES him mafia - why can he not be a townie short on time or whatever? What do you make of the fact that rayn supposedly refuses to lynch sqrt today? Like, if you can easily see sqrt as mafia, then why can't you see rayn as mafia when he supposedly refuses to lynch sqrt today? I haven't seen him strongly refusing to vote sqrt. Can you quote it for me please? I can't filter dive, too much time searching and I'm at work. I don't make anything of it. Rayn easily busses his partners, and I also can see Rayn not wantig to lynch someone he believes is town. | ||
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On October 14 2014 02:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Like why would you even care about me quoting it if it doesn't change your opinion? It changes because he didn't give a reason to not lynch sqrt. Like the way he townread oats. This makes him less town to my eyes. But I don't believe he is a good lynch target for today. He has done more than a lot of people. | ||
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I don't like him but I don't see how it is better than to lynch sqrt or inactives. | ||
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On October 14 2014 04:40 geript wrote: nah, still playing league. Still think Oats/Damdred are mafia. I retract my townread on VE. He's probably mafia. Don't feel like explaining why. But basically, there's no way he could possibly suck this much as town. Also, how did he forget that GB has an 8 page filter if he's town. He's read him a bunch apparently to think he's mafia but doesn't realize how much he's posted? WTF. This. And damdred voting for you is also horrible | ||
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On October 14 2014 04:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Basically geript is looking for the easy mislynch rather than the lynch that he believes in the most. If he did, he would've voted me. | ||
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TOTALLY WRONG WE ARE LYNCHING ONE OF THE MOST ACTIVE GUYS IN THE THREAD THAT IS CONSISTENTLY CONTRIBUTING WE SHOULDN'T LYNCH GERIPT TODAY | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:03 geript wrote: No I'm not. Because Town VE likes going on lurker lynches. Especially when he has a bunch of townreads. Yah I thought you were town. There's literally no reason to think I'm mafia. So no I don't think that town VE is all like, "I'll avoid a lurker lynch on Sn0, a lurker lynch on Damdred and a effectively lurker lynch on Ritoky to jump on Geript because of shit reasons." You're a solid town player. I don't think you can suck this badly. All that said, GB reading me as town like that is a really fucking scummy post. LOOOOOOL WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS GAME. | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:05 DarthPunk wrote: I kinda want to just lynch glowinbear to see if I am right and he is scum. You have NO REASON to lynch me NO FUCKING REASON. I can anticipate: you're wrong. | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:10 DarthPunk wrote: I actually have a whole host of reasons to lynch you. Your reasons are completely off and lacking actual proof. GOD THIS GAME IS MAKING ME ANGRY | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:11 ritoky wrote: Dear rayn, I have a gut mafia read on geript from the start. I think VE makes some decent points. I think damdred makes an interesting point as well regarding if x is your top scum read then why do you then spend time pushing/making a case on y? Could you please give me reasons as to meritorious things geript has done and/or a non-coin flip target? Sincerely, ritoky ![]() Damdred isn't even playing the game properly. I'm indifferent to lynching him at the moment. | ||
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Just please stop being stupid. Night one is giving me eye cancer. Sqrt is obvious mafia and town can't see it. It's horrible. I was in doubt that oats would flip mafia after how easily his wagon was formed. People easily sheeped DP. DP ISN'T PLAYING WELL if he is town. Stop giving him this super veteran aura. We will find scum between people that didn't want to vote for sqrt and that easily sheeped oats. I can see a world where sqrt is town. I simply can't see. Also, WTF Rayn, I pointed out sqrt's slips a lot and only now you noticed he said that thing about Tuesday? Did you filter dive me before considering lynching me? WTF. It's the second time someone votes on me without even knowing what I've been posting. VE, it's only night one and you're already bitching. Like, please, calm down if you're town. And WHY are you considering I'm scum with geript? I mean... WTF again. | ||
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On October 14 2014 06:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: So: DP is town Hopeless is town GB is town geript is town CR probably town (don't like his last second entrance after half-day lurk) Damdred probably town VE i dunno i don't like the defeated attitude and it seems forced kush can go die with his "i will never play games i join in" sqrt probs mafia ritoky probs mafia why is the game hard again? The bolded seems true. | ||
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No Fucking Way Either hopeless or dp are mafia. | ||
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A) 1 Square Root, 1 π, 1 i, 1 Fraction, 1 Negative Nine Thousand Three Hundred and Seventy-Eight, 8 Fours B) 2 Square Roots, 1 π, 1 Prime, 1 Fraction, 8 Fours C) 2 Square Roots, 1 π, 1 Prime, 1 Negative Nine Thousand Three Hundred and Seventy-Eight, 8 Fours D) 1 Square Root, 1 π, 1 i, 2 Primes, 8 Fours Modifications - pick one at random: 1) Remove one Four and add one Prime. 2) Use setup as-is. 3) Remove one Prime and add one Four if possible." You have to roll D AND 3 to have 3 primes. 1/4 . 1/3 = 1/12 0.083 chance. No fucking way. By the way, I suck at math. Please correct me if I'm wrong. | ||
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I'm probably wrong. But it's still a small chance | ||
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On October 14 2014 11:41 Hopeless1der wrote: do you understand the concept of probability? Unless both DP and I are lying, setup D was rolled. You literally have to call us both mafia to think another setup was rolled. If any power role flips (or even claims), you lynch me and DP and rofl all the way to the bank. So now that we know D was rolled, you're down to 33% chance to have 1, 2, or 3 primes present in the game. Does that still seem unreasonable? Hmm. Yes. I mean, there's a highly unlikely possibility of both of you being mafia, but I admit my math was dumb. Very dumb. | ||
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On October 12 2014 06:30 Damdred wrote: Because until GB does his town tell that he doesn't realize he does he might be scum or not drunk enough yet Then On October 14 2014 02:32 Damdred wrote: I think I have my read on GB for right now thank you. I spent those posts talking about the dodge because I was asked about it and to clarify my earlier comments, it took that long because of semantics. Read on hopeless is that he seems to be contributing to the thread and giving his thoughts, hes claiming the named blue role that has no powers and nobody is counter claiming him or claiming with him. Its highly likely that he is town. Damdred, day one is over and you haven't told us if I had done my town tell. Moreover, you said you had a read on me but didn't share it with us. 1) Why aren't you sharing it with us? 2) If you have a scum read on me, why weren't you pushing me? 3) if you have a town read on me, why weren't you fighting my wagon? Your filter is mostly focused on me. You've spent most of your game busy with me. But then you follow the wagon that was being built: On October 14 2014 04:17 Damdred wrote: Geript, why put in that much work on Oats and not vote him? It seems like the only reason that you are voting me is some twisted meta read that is invalidated in the same game that we were playing and the game I posted. This feels like you are trying to look towny and trying to find a good mislynch to me. Soft pushing oats to see if it picks up traction while hardpushing me for the easy mislynch today ##Vote Geript How did you suddenly read geript as mafia here? Is that how you see him now? | ||
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VE is a good player, he would've called you mafia for that. He didn't Damdred, what do you think of damdred and ritoky? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?user=sqrtofneg1&view=all Nothing alike this game we are playing. He was much more active there and have much more comprehensive reads. Here is an example of one of his reads in there: On May 29 2014 07:05 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I propose a new wagon: Fuba. He votes jwz, and then unvotes him the next post with this explanation: Soon after, he votes him again. His next significant post, and his last post is this: Has there been significant discussion about jwz? Also, I disagree that the fact that he hasn't defended himself or offered an alternative wagon indicates that he's scum. I feel that jwz's attitude right now is more like a town who's resigned to being mislynched. This guy hasn't made much contributions. This guy doesn't look like town to me. This guy is scum. ##Vote: fuba Nothing alike his list post with his unreasoned vote on me. | ||
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On October 14 2014 14:38 geript wrote: Not going to lie the "I've already done/wrote" that is something I see a bunch from mafia. Wow. That's all you've got from his response? I've posted a lot of information. What do you make of them? | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:06 VisceraEyes wrote: I kinda don't want to lynch anyone but geript ever in my life. On October 14 2014 05:30 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Oatsmaster Explain how you were convinced to shift to oats, who you said you have a hard time reading. | ||
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On October 14 2014 22:17 kushm4sta wrote: playing the game would be you doing something, then going away so people can respond. instead you do nothing and sit there in the thread and spam. u scum? HAHAHAHA You mean that skimming through filters, bringing scummy posts to light, diving the database to search for a town play from a scummy player so you can compare gameplay is me doing nothing and just spamming? I'm sorry, I should've lurked and just voted someone, like you did. That's totally playing the game. | ||
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On October 14 2014 22:27 kushm4sta wrote: what you are doing is actually easy as fuck for scum to do. hmm u almost got lynched yesterday then you started trying. THAT IS SCUMMY AS FUCK SIR. Why exactly that is scum? Why would I bother trying to figure out who is mafia at night if I were scum? I could keep myself quiet, as every other player is ridiculously doing. | ||
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On October 14 2014 22:33 kushm4sta wrote: scumminess is merely the absence of towniness. Kthxbai | ||
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On October 14 2014 22:38 kushm4sta wrote: if only this wasn't a lie and you would actually go away lol If only mafia could kill me so I don't have to hear this kind of bullshit after putting effort in the game. | ||
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On October 14 2014 22:46 Damdred wrote: GB, i'm awake now and about. What do you think of geripts response to me? In fact what do you think about his whole approach to me (meta read etc)? Also I just flipped in the game hes modding if you want to check it out I was town. I think that his response was bad. Your answers weren't convincing and he focused only the part regarding you saying that you wouldn't explain again what you've already said in the game. | ||
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On October 14 2014 22:54 kushm4sta wrote: sorry gb i was out of line. just makes me mad when im trying to keep up with the game and you post page after page of "hmm im the only one here" "im still the only one here" "where is everyone" etc! Fair enough, kush. I'm just upset I was the only guy active and that was my way to relieve. | ||
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On October 14 2014 13:53 Damdred wrote: I'm sold on Geript being mafia right now, all his points about me (while it could be said are omgus) they do not line up. Rayn picked a few a part pretty good with my thought pattern, and explained it pretty well. And i'm documented in the thread for reading him scum there, and some reasons for it. 1) I am not sharing my read with you because I wasn't asked and i was in a little bit of a hurry 2) I haven't been pushing you because im pretty sure you aren't scum presently 3) You seemed to do a pretty decent job defending yourself, your filter was big enough where you shouldn't of been the lynch and there was plenty of sentiment to move away from you. So not sure what I was defending you against. I have been tied up with you in my limited thread time, i should be free more tomorrow The bolded is basically you saying that it was already explained. And geript said you could be mafia for that. Bugs me that you focused on saying you didn't say that instead of commenting on geripts response. | ||
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On October 14 2014 23:12 Damdred wrote: Obviously I think its bad, I scum read him now. His meta on me is bad, and his response is bad. I really didn't think i have to put that into every single post to satisfy you GB. Also I said more about geript in my nexxt post so not sure how i'm not saying anything more. It just feels like your trying to nitpick me into being scum gb What is bad in his response? This is what I wanted you to say. I already understand his meta read on you was bad. Yes, it was bad. It was contradictory. But I don't think it's yet a scum slip. Like: why he decided to go against you instead voting on me? | ||
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Geript is scum. Who are his partners and why? | ||
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On October 15 2014 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is basically never ever going to be mafia after last night. GB seems frustrated in a townie way in people scumreading him. The only thing against him would be he suddenly fucked off before the lynch when another wagon that was not him formed. DarthPunk and Hopeless are town, don't be dumb with this GB. Damdred is town, most likely. I have already made a town case on him. Chairman Ray is still bit of a question mark so do not totally count him out. He has basically made a case on sqrt and then... well pretty much nothing. We need you to prove you are town CR, there are just too many people lurking the fuck out of the game. I already told what i think of geript and why. Maybe i'll tonight find the game where he acted similarly. I totally forgot about that one and in case geript is mafia which i assume that would most likely make GlowingBear town. sqrt's posting is just terrible. ritoky hasn't said anything rememberable and there is something i am going to check regarding him before the deadline. kush is just not playing and only talks about unimportant stuff like modkills, spamming etc etc. The only thing he has said on D1 is a townread on GB (or rather -- it wasn't a townread, it was "cases on GB are bad") without explanation. scum!kush cannot force himself to read filters so calling someone who is town town makes sense as he didn't even comment on the cases in ANY way. Then there is the shitty vote on VE which is also not explained in any way. The problem is there are too much lurkers. There are three people completely lurking and ritoky kinda semi-lurking (i call it lurking when people do not take part into discussion and talk about irrelevant things). They can't all be mafia even if geript is, and atm i do strongly believe geript is mafia. Step up your fucking game townies in that pool. Or at least TRY to play the game. Please. How did you switch to strong townread VE? Why geript flipping mafia would make me town? Regarding oats lynch, I was at work and couldn't do much, but he was one of my strongest scumreads so I was ok with his lynch. I only started doubting when I realised how fast the wagon on him was formed and after noticing the vote count. How can you affirm both hopeless and DP are town? Don't get me wrong, I'm also reading them as town now, but I find the possibility of having 3 primes very low. Also, what else made you drastically change your town read on geript to a scumread? Only his meta argument on damdred? | ||
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On October 15 2014 01:11 kushm4sta wrote: all game long you bitch about lurkers. it's such a broken record that you are probably scum. You don't understand kush, town lurkers are destroying the game. I can't read someone as town if he doesn't give me information. It's bizarre the amount of question marks I have in this game solely for lurkage | ||
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On October 15 2014 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay I'ma stop you right here. It doesn't give mafia extra info about the setup unless someone counterclaims, at which point it becomes the WRONG move for mafia to make because they lose one of their members. There's no "free town cred from the numpties" if someone counterclaims, and in this setup there's like zero chance of townies not counterclaiming at some point (because setup). There's no situation where mafia's first impulse is to "claim Prime" geript. You're just making things up. Hmmm not really. Consider that mafia could have 2 square roots. It means it's setup B or C. They know that. They also know that there is only one prime or a maximum of two primes if condition (1) happens. So it's easy to claim prime and be safe with it. I don't know if I was clear here... | ||
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On October 15 2014 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Like ALL of the setups include at least one prime - so mafia KNOW FOR A FACT that if they claim Prime, SOMEONE ELSE will ALSO claim Prime and fuck up their day. Condition (3) can make a game without primes. Condition (1) can make a game with 2 primes There is also a base setup with 2 primes and the possibility of having three primes. I find it very safe to claim prime. I'm actually getting inclined to believe hopeless fake claimed now. | ||
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We found a mafia. ##Vote: Hopeless | ||
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On October 15 2014 07:16 geript wrote: Maybe one of VE/Rayn is the third. That night kill makes zero sense. Who's the second? | ||
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Damdred, vote hopeless, there can't be another prime in the game. What are you waiting for? | ||
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On October 15 2014 08:09 Hopeless1der wrote: GB who did you check last night? I checked Rayn. I thought he was going to die instead of DP. Why does that matter to you? You had a town read on me and hopeless isn't even playing the game. Why are you hesitating? | ||
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Oh, I thought it was damdred. Completely reasonable to check someone you expect to die. If I get a check night 2 I'll know for sure the other person's alignment. | ||
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On October 15 2014 08:31 Hopeless1der wrote: GB why didnt you check me? Why would I check you if you were not going to die? With a flipped check, I could check anyone night2 and get his alignment, including you. | ||
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I rescind my claim. I was already about to rescind because I've gathered enough reactions from my fake claim and I losing more time debating this will be detrimental to town. | ||
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On October 15 2014 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote: okay, now go vote sqrt please. Gonna read through the reactions and analyse possible scenarios first. | ||
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On October 15 2014 09:15 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't give a shit what you say. He did something really REALLY dumb if he's town - something that will cost him his life AND yours depending on the flip. You'd better hope he's mafia. It wasn't a good play because you suspect me for now on, but I think it was okay to gather reaction. I mean, if you're mafia and see two townies, one possibly fake claiming, you'll be okay with lynching any or even both *cough cough geript* As I said, I'm gonna re-read and analyse scenarios | ||
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On October 15 2014 09:15 VisceraEyes wrote: No, that's not how this works. There's no "reaction testing" in a forum game because there are no "reactions" on forums. You claimed cop, and now you're gonna fucking die. Your patner geript can wait. There is no reason for me to rescind my claim if I was mafia now. I would've fight your argument and try to mislynch hopeless instead of retracting it. | ||
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On October 15 2014 09:20 VisceraEyes wrote: There's no reason for you to claim cop if you're town. WIFOM IS FUN!!!! Reaction testing. Maybe I even could get hopeless to concede if he was mafia. Anyway, just think about it. I wouldn't rescind if I was mafia. I would've fight you and even manage to mislynch hopeless because his filter is shit. Or mislynch me and blame me for the worst play of the year as town. | ||
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On October 15 2014 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Like any reactions you could have gathered are tainted by falsity. Look at how Kush and sqrt reacted - instantly voting Hopeless based on YOUR claim. What is there that is useful in how they reacted? What is there that is useful in how ANYONE reacts to a lie if you're town? Mafia KNOW that you're lying man! They KNOW if Hopeless is real or not, so they ALREADY KNOW THAT YOU'RE LYING IF YOU ARE TOWN!!! You're a lying scumbag and you're going to fucking HANG GB. VE, CR was a big question mark. Look at his reaction and see if that is coming from a mafia perspective. | ||
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On October 15 2014 07:13 geript wrote: I'm not sure which we lynch. We definitely lynch 1. Geript you were ok with lynching any of us. At this point of the game, you could have an idea of who was acting scummy and who wasn't Hopeless wasn't contributing until now. I was. It was okay to believe that hopeless was mafia and I was town, specially considering that fake claiming now is a poor play as mafia. Yet you had no idea who to lynch. I expect mafia to fake a confusion or insta voting than actually trying to understand the scenario first. And that's exactly what you and kush did. | ||
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On October 15 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of MY VOTE NEVER MOVING OFF YOU EVER. I know you won't read me as town anymore. You'll be tunneled because of this. But give it a chance and think about it. | ||
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On October 15 2014 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote: fake confusion or instavote... which leaves town to actually confusion? Is that the tell we're going for here? GB why you gotta pull this halfbaked shit I really want to just vote you and call it a day. Oh god. Examples of what I expected from mafia: "Hmm, I'm not sure, hmm... maybe glowing or... hmm... hopeless" or "lol it's hopeless BAM VOTE" What I expected from town "This doesn't make sense because of this and this... but also bla bla bla" Do you understand the difference? I find it hard to explain... | ||
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On October 15 2014 09:34 Hopeless1der wrote: wait that doesnt really explain it. Am I town or not GB? I believe you are, from your reaction. | ||
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On October 15 2014 09:30 VisceraEyes wrote: That's what I did too GB. Am I mafia? Like you're spouting retardation. You found a reason for why I was fakeclaiming. You didn't just vote someone or believed you should kill any of us. | ||
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On October 15 2014 09:36 geript wrote: Saying you have been contributing is a stretch. I really don't care. VE will probably get you lynched. If you're town then we'll lose when VE goes to lynch me next probably. Whatever. I'm voting my read. Like, I already thought hopeless was mafia. But it's hard to imagine the immense amount of sheer stupidity it takes to reaction test ther from your position. Like even if he is mafia, there's no way he backs down from the claim because you're already lynch bait. Like part of fake claiming is having a good read on the setup and position and state of the game. Like I really don't care what you are right now. Geript, hopeless would never admit I could be town if he was mafia. He would pressure me until the very end. | ||
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On October 15 2014 09:40 geript wrote: Not necessarily. All he needs to do is hold the claim. He will mostly hold the claim and try to get me lynched. I don't believe he would defend me with the 1 for 1 argument. | ||
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On October 15 2014 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote: ugh....GB you really need to rethink how you play this game. Can we please discuss sqrt? GB actually raised a decent point overnight on him. Go check out any of sqrt's games, he doesnt do this massive list posts. He has the same style of posting, but its way more broken up, 1 thing at a time, discuss it in thread, develop his reads instead of this game where he sits in a corner and plucks posts from a filter. This game he posts a list of surefire reads and votes, then disappears. My gameplay vary. I like to try eccentric ways to find scum. They mostly suck. But well, I try, and I have a good time with it. His last wall looked like the game I've brought from him. I'm not THAT sure we should lynch him. Maybe he was really busy. I'd rather look at his play today. Ritoky is concerning me the most now. And Damdred. | ||
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On October 15 2014 09:45 Hopeless1der wrote: honestly, am i supposed to suspect you're mafia? Like if it gets to LYLO and we're hurting for a lynch i'm going to bring this up but right now what you did is fucking suicide. That's exactly what I'm saying. If you were mafia, you would never defend me with that argument. | ||
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On October 15 2014 09:47 geript wrote: Nah. Bc if you're town he knows you can be fake and trying to pull an awesome Geript force scum to concede tm fakeclaim. Plus at worst odds are that you're fake claiming ( medic or someone else is cop). Plus he looks better inherently because he claimed way before you did. Like if he gives you the chance to rescind then he gets to keep his confirmed town status everyone is giving him and be useless. I've done it before. It's kinda fun. Do you believe that was the case? | ||
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On October 15 2014 09:48 geript wrote: Qft Eccentric =/= good If you're town you should understand how dumb what you did was and feel bad for it. Yes, it was dumb, but oh boy, it was funny. Now that I fake claimed, what are your updated reads? | ||
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Check this ongoing game (Football) where he already flipped. He is much more inquisitive with his reads there. He has 3 pages of filter on October 13 there, and here he has half. He is not trying to solve the game here. I'm convinced damdred is mafia. | ||
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On October 15 2014 09:29 VisceraEyes wrote: My guess is that the scum team is sqrt/geript/GB and they were in panic-mode after D1 because of all the strong townies aligning against them, so they're trying something really really outlandish and unorthodox. That's my guess. I'll look again tonight after All-Stars. In the meantime, every townie votes GlowingBear or accepts that they'll never win this game. ![]() | ||
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On October 15 2014 10:06 Hopeless1der wrote: "townies must vote mafia or they cannot win" whats the problem here? grammar nazi-ing the use of the term "they" when referring to multiple persons of the same faction? Yes. He is putting himself outside the town faction ![]() | ||
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On October 15 2014 10:44 Damdred wrote: Good god, I was sitting in the car waiting to get back to the comp so I could read the conversation. This fake claim bullshit just sends me up a wall, ever since noir 2 it just sends me into a rage. GB give me your reads, you been defending yourself and throwing out suspicions randomly I thought you were town. So give me something show me where you are instead of asking people where they are Mafia Damdred Ritoky Probably mafia Sqrt Kush had scummy attitudes once but I don't believe are mafia Geript VE Town Rayn Hopeless ------------- Damdred, you're scum because of the things I've brought from you. I'll consolidate that read later, but you are not trying to solve the game. Simply not giving reads. You still haven't said if I have my town tell that you promised you can read at the very beginning or the game. I have a 12 page filter. You still don't have any idea? Your response for me was shit. I'm going to comment that on my consolidation. Ritoky is just giving random posts, calling people scum without really wanting to get information from them. He went to total lurkage and haven't said a single word since night one started. Sqrt was my top scum and everybody knows why, I've said plenty of times why. I liked his post after night one but I have to read more from him day2. I may be biased because he called me town. Depending on how he at day2, I'm voting on him. Kush is just mega lol hard not caring. Gonna check his town play if he is like this. But he was kinda stupid on mission, which gives me doubt if he not caring is alignment indicative. I gave derped reasons on geript and VE. But they are mostly town to my eyes. That's all you need to know. | ||
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On October 15 2014 10:53 Damdred wrote: Right now looking at this "reaction test" Kush is the most likely to be mafia. But why wouldn't you fucking believe a cop claim? My god, this did nothing but shit up the day. I'm trying to calm down. Its hard for me to say not to lynch GB for this stupid shit especially for the vote on me in the thread because its so shit and her reasons for lynching me are so bad. Having a hard time seeing why a towny would claim someone was mafia just for a reaction test and then rescend totally destroying part of the day that could be scum hunting instead and then voting someone who wasn't even here for most of it. I think Kush is probably mafia, GB has a shot at being mafia for being so antitown in all of this and i still like geript for mafia in all of this. 3 hours of a 48 day cycle. I rescinded fast so town could get back to the right track. It was a dumb move and I know it. I admit it. But destroying part of day2 is overreacting. | ||
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On October 15 2014 11:02 Damdred wrote: You are playing for shit GB. I've said a few times that I had my read on you, I said that you were probably town and of course you did this town tell at one point which is showing frustration and an inability to get your reads across in a clear manner. A really crappy town tell, but when your mafia you are much to sure of yourself and always hammer stuff down. Which by the way your doing now basically. You are scum reading me on not giving reads? I gave a read on geript, on rayn on VE. So that point is totally null, gave one on hopeless, I had you as town now I don't so good job. Your whole case is shit your whole case bulls down in the thread, damdred is not here. You are probably mafia for destroying the start of the day so GG My case doesn't boils down to you being inactive. You are misreading me. If I'm town, tell people I'm town. Don't say "GB is probably town, I don't know" Say "GB gave his town tell people, I'm sure he is town" SPECIALLY when I'm the main wagon. SPECIALLY. You're scumreading geript SOLELY on contradiction. SOLELY on being confused on your meta. You were just parroting Rayn. | ||
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On October 15 2014 11:07 Damdred wrote: GB seriously? Rayn didn't scum read geript till well after the lynch, way after I said that he was misuing my meta....are you serious right now? Well, I'm not sure now. Let me check what came first. | ||
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On October 15 2014 11:11 Damdred wrote: I posted because I GOT HOME. Check fanfic, I ALWAYS disapear for awhile then reapear now. Check almost any game i've been in and I always say "I"m driving home around now so i'll be back when I can". Always show back up around 9 pm eastern or 10 at the latest. You are just coming up with reasons to discredit me now. Ok, I'll consolidate my case on you so we don't stay like this cat and dog discussion. Would you vote sqrt? | ||
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On October 15 2014 11:21 Damdred wrote: Just depends on how the rest of the day goes, if you continue to play like this i'll probably vote for you. I'd be happy with a kush lynch the way hes playing, or a geript lynch. sqr comes down to a lurker lynch and low hanging fruit and i'm not into that bad list post or not I'm playing okay now. I'm not derping anymore. You're just OMGUSing if you want to mislynch me because I have fair reads on you. But is rather not talk about us anymore. I want to listen more about others. Ok, what on sqrt makes you think he could be town but not kush? | ||
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On October 15 2014 11:32 Damdred wrote: And GBs listpost is bad, he says that sqr is his top scum read but hes voting me? Thats crazy, GB is so mafia Lol damdy you should sleep or consider not misreading me. I said he WAS my top scumread but now I'm not sure because of his last post. It is clearly written... | ||
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On October 15 2014 11:34 Damdred wrote: Ok i am prone to omgus, ill admit that. SQR is at least giving reads or opinons about stuff even if it is fragmented and not giving us much else. Kush is just sitting around going i'm playing mafia trolling and voted on hopeless without even trying to figure out the situation and came up with a town read on you from reading one page of your filter even though he didn't say what page. This is good. | ||
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On October 15 2014 11:39 Damdred wrote: Could you take a random page in yoru filter and honestly say this person is town? Ok maybe i misread, but what did you find out about when i posted about the messed up meta and when rayn posted it? I haven't found it yet. I'm gonna do that later because I'm lazy right now. | ||
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I'm gonna sleep damdy. I'll take a look at it when I wake up. | ||
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My bad. I retract it. | ||
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On October 15 2014 11:55 Damdred wrote: Also you didn't answer my question Select one page of your filter and if it was someone else could you town read that person off of it? Oh, I didn't realise it was a question. I'll be biased answering that but I have it this way: I can possibly have a feeling that someone is town by reading just one page. Well, people even find mafia by looking at just one post. But the thing is: do you really believe he clicked my filter and decided to search for a random page from it? Or he would start from page one? But page one has nothing alignment indicative so... No, I don't believe someone cod rest assured I'm town. | ||
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1) I immediately rescinded my claim because I thought it would be detrimental to town to keep that discussion. Yes, it was after VE pointed out a problem, but I was planning to rescind soon. Look into VE's argument: + Show Spoiler + "Like here's where your story falls to pieces. If you're parity cop then you knew going into the night - not at the end of the night but GOING INTO the night that there were 3 primes claimed. This means that from YOUR perspective, you knew that there was 1 between DP and Hopeless and that there is ZERO DOCTOR. That means that you DO NOT get a check when you "out", because mafia will KILL YOU." A parity cop must check anyone regardless if he is going to die or not. I could simply keep this discussion going and make my way out of it. I could simply say that "yes, I checked Rayn because I had to check someone and I plan to check other person at night" and keep going trying to kill Hopeless. Simply as that. It was very dumb to claim as town? Yes! It is even worse claiming as mafia? Yes. If hopeless gets lynched and flips prime, I, as mafia, would get lynched day3. It would be better to hide and try a mislynch on townies today. There are a lot of unconfirmed townies this game to get a mislynch. Horrible move as mafia. I'm saying it again: I am VT and I fake claimed to get reactions. I've never done that before and I decided I should give it a shot. It was horrible. 2) There is no way I'm mafia after I've put so much effort in the game, specially at night one. I filter dived a lot of people, searched for previous games to understand meta and came back with that to the thread. You were basically scumreading me for saying DP was blue but pointing him out as scum. But check the rest of my gameplay and see if it convinces you I'm mafia. Now I defended myself, answering Rayn. Rayn, I think Hopeless is town for his reaction. He didn't flip, there was a chance he was mafia. I mean, there is a possible setup where there is 2 primes and 1 parity cop, and simply 2 primes without any PR. I expected him to, as mafia, start coming full throttle against me. I mean, if a mafia got busted, I think he would turn aggressive and try to get me mislynched at least to save himself. Yet he thought I could be town fake claiming. To be honest, now that I think more out of this, this doesn't mean much. I just realised that if we are in a setup where there is only 2 primes and no power roles, there is also a GF, which means that there is no Power Role so he KNOWS I'm town and he ALSO knows I'm vt if he is mafia. God my claim was more retarded than I thought. Anyway, I'm still having him as town... CR, for his stream of thought, his confusion but trying to solve it, I don't think mafia would do that and look genuine like CR did. I believe that he turned from a question mark into a leaning town after my fake claim. Now, on geript: On October 15 2014 07:13 geript wrote: I'm not sure which we lynch. We definitely lynch 1. This is his first post, even after hopeless thought I could be town. He didn't have second thoughts here. He decided that the thread should definetely lynch one. It will be a mislynch anyway. Now, check this post I've just realised On October 15 2014 07:19 geript wrote: Did I have a bad read on GB. If that's the case then why claim. THIS POST IS COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT. Why is he asking if he had a bad read on me? Why is he asking why did I claim? WAS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE POSTED ON THE SCUM QT? Like, it sounds like he knows I'm VT and he is trying to understand why I decided to fake claim. LOL Damdred just posted this: On October 15 2014 07:22 Damdred wrote: Glowing did you bread from cop? Why check hopeless here? And asked nothing else, neither came back with a follow up. Again, he is not trying to figure the game. I'm having a hard time believing he is town. Kush simply voted on Hopeless and fucked off. Like I would expect from a mafia, because he wouldn't care who to lynch: VE's reaction was very solid logic and I believe that his inquisitive tone makes him townie. That's what I've got, Rayn. | ||
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On October 15 2014 21:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Again. There was three prime claims and a parity cop claim. Every fucking townie "knows" one of the claims is scum because THAT'S HOW IT IS!!!! Why is voting for the more unreasonable claim scummy but not voting not scummy as you are saying (regarding geript, kush and CR)? You are turning the situation upside town. Assuming you are town you should SUSPECT the people who doubted there is mafia in you/Hopeless. Not the people who say "lol this claim is way more scummier and one of the dudes is mafia anyways". I still can't understand why you would even remotely think mafia!Hopeless would shoot prime!DP ever on N1. There is literally zero reason to do so, if Hopeless was mafia they would NEVER EVER shoot DP because DP is the ONLY backup lynch for them if someone claims a power role (which mafia cannot know exists / not). That seems to be the ONLY purpose for your fakeclaim, and the reason is retarded. You also had the MOST reason to shoot DarthPunk on N1. That is a fact and it definitely does not make you look any better. And this: It was retarded, Rayn. I've admitted it. I just wanted to give it a try. I've re read it and I don't think it's good anymore. I'm not sure if I posted it here. I thought it was good because it looked similar to one of his posts in the game I've brought. But after I reread it, I just realised that the did a comprehensive read on everyone except Damdred, who whe just stated "Damdred has been pushing geript" and "I have no idea on ritoky" Like... really? "Damdred has been pushing geript"? LOLOLOL Also, he scumreads CR but votes on hopeless based on only the math thing I've brought. I didn't even claim yet. So, after re reading it, I think it's terrible | ||
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Damdred mostly spend his filter talking about me. His filter is little compared to his previous townplays. I know he was traveling but he came back at October 13. There was an ongoing game where he had 3 filter pages of gameplay on October 13. Here, he has half. He only comes to the thread when called to. Check this post: On October 14 2014 02:32 Damdred wrote: I think I have my read on GB for right now thank you. I spent those posts talking about the dodge because I was asked about it and to clarify my earlier comments, it took that long because of semantics. Read on hopeless is that he seems to be contributing to the thread and giving his thoughts, hes claiming the named blue role that has no powers and nobody is counter claiming him or claiming with him. Its highly likely that he is town. Ok, at the start of the game, he said I have a clear town tell and I know he can read me well. He said there that he already has a read on me. But does not share with thread. WHY? By that time, I was the main wagon. If he has a read on me, why not pushing me further or defending me? I inquired him. He answered this: On October 14 2014 13:53 Damdred wrote: I'm sold on Geript being mafia right now, all his points about me (while it could be said are omgus) they do not line up. Rayn picked a few a part pretty good with my thought pattern, and explained it pretty well. And i'm documented in the thread for reading him scum there, and some reasons for it. 1) I am not sharing my read with you because I wasn't asked and i was in a little bit of a hurry 2) I haven't been pushing you because im pretty sure you aren't scum presently 3) You seemed to do a pretty decent job defending yourself, your filter was big enough where you shouldn't of been the lynch and there was plenty of sentiment to move away from you. So not sure what I was defending you against. I have been tied up with you in my limited thread time, i should be free more tomorrow (1) What a shitty excuse. He didn't share a read on me because HE WASN'T ASKED? He needs to step up in the game for his own if he is town, not when he is asked to. He could be in a hurry, yes, but he posted here in the thread. He just posted "I have my read on GB". He could've posted "I have my read on GB and he is town". Hurry is not an excuse. He could simply try to dismantle my wagon if the thought I was town or push me if he thought I was scum. He didn't (2) He hasn't being defending me either. Nobody knew exactly what he thought of me. (3) I was being shitted on THE WHOLE GAME. So he was ok that the discussion was going on and on and on without trying to come to the thread and save, at least, precious time? Ok, checking his filter, he mostly posts answers to me and regarding my scum read on him, and on geript. He is scumreading geript solely for the meta thing. There isn't another single argument to scumread geript on his filter, and not even another scum read. Just geript. And me, now. When the thread was heating up after I fake claimed, this is what Damdred posted: On October 15 2014 07:22 Damdred wrote: Glowing did you bread from cop? Why check hopeless here? But after so many interactions, he only came back to say this: On October 15 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote: GB argument is this about me, Damdred is not here to defend himself or to react to situations therefore he is mafia! Damdreds activity on another game is double what it was that day, even though we were in different phases in the cycle and nobody was talking in this game but me and he answered every question I asked him. He was also up for lynch there and was trying to get his final reads out. Ritoky did the same BS in season of a witch, activity does not make me mafia or town. Look in season compare it to mission it was about the same time going on one i was way less active and town one i was way more active and mafia. And this is completely retarded that i'm having to defend myself based on activity and a bad meta read from people. Like this isn't even scum hunting its just trying to sound like you are. Good god Why didn't participate in the interactions? Why did he only come back to defend himself against my read on him? This is what I'm talking about Damdred. It is not only because he is lurking. It's his overall gameplay. He is always defending and hardly scumhunting. So, reasons why I feel Damdred is scum: A) His activity is a lot higher when he is town, even when he was traveling B) He is not analysing possibilities. He has been focusing on voting geript since the beginning of the game. He even did drop his vote on geript and laid back on Day1, when oats was about to get mislynched. C) He is not sharing reads with the thread or clearly scumhunting, he only comes to the thread when someones cites his name D) He has been overly defensive. | ||
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On October 15 2014 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: So where is your head at atm? Who is mafia? I was building the case on Damdred. Even after his responses, I'm positive he is mafia. You didn't give me your insight regarding the geript's slip. | ||
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On October 15 2014 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think the case on Damdred is good. At least is way fucking worse than a guy sheeping his scumreads onto another lynch when the other lynch targets are his top scumreads.... I don't know, Rayn. I still have sqrt as one of my top scum reads now. I find odd that you completely ignored the thing on geript. | ||
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On October 15 2014 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I find it odd that you have nothing to say about ritoky and my case on him. Okay let's go through your case on Damdred. X) This is simply just not true. A) Incorrect. For example in Season of the witch mafia at this point of the game Damdred had 3 pages of filter. You can't just pick one game where he happened to post more than in this one and call him mafia for it. B) What fucking possibilities? If he thinks geript is mafia why should he do something else than lay out why he thinks geript is mafia and vote for him? Can you show me a town game where Damdred actively pushes lynches and continuously interacts with the thread because i cannot remember one (which is why i have always thought he is mafia early on). C) Yes he is, you just can't read between the lines or for some reason refuse to do so. D) How has he been overly defensive? Being defensive is not a scum trait because when someone calls you mafia of course you defend yourself regardless of your affiliation. It's funny you say this because your filter consists mostly of... defending yourself... Are you also being overly defensive? All in all your case is based on things that do not hold water or things that are related on meta - except that they really are not related to Damdred's meta because they are wrong. Game he is town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466211-tl-mafia-lxviii-fanfic-crossover-edition?user=Damdred&page=3 Look at how he is much more involved in interactions than he is in this game. Game he is mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462291-showdown-mafia?user=Damdred&page=2 Look at his filter size, his not so interactive behaviour, how he repeatedly talks about obi and palmar. Mostly, look at how he is not interacting much. Pretty similar to this game. He just does talk a lot more about other options in that game. But his activity and interaction are similar to this one game. | ||
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On October 15 2014 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like the meta part of your case on Damdred is exactly the same there was in geript's case on D1 which you called... sick change of mind!!! What in posting I much more comprehensive than what geript posted. Also, the suspicious part of geripts analysis on damdreds meta is that he said he doesn't know how to read damdred but is confident that damdred is mafia for meta reasons. | ||
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On October 15 2014 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: So why are Damdred and geript bussing each other with "equally shitty cases"? Isn't that pretty retarded thing to do as mafia? Hmm. Well, yes. Okay, I may need more time to reevaluate this. | ||
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On October 15 2014 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: GlowingBear i want your thoughts on ritoky and kush. Ignore your claim/unclaim thing because i don't think you can gather any alignment indicative things from that as people calling out scummy stuff cannot possibly be scummy..... I don't know about kush... His play as town is also not caring much... You can see mission mini mafia, he just placed a vote on Vivax when I've brought a lot of reasons and went full afk. I'm afraid to lynch him today. Ritoky, on the other side, wasn't playing good. I have yet to read his latest posts with a little bit more of attention. But I don't have good vibes from him. Rayn, we agree on sqrt. What do you think of lunching him today? Also, please, check that post from geript. Try to understand it inside the context it was posted. I want your insight. | ||
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Damdred, I've already answered that in the exact post I've put him as leaning scum. His post after night1 looked like his townplay so I wasn't very sure on him. After, I re read his post and felt it was off. He is again my top scum read. Also, Rayn brought good points about my case so I'm reconsidering it. | ||
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On October 16 2014 01:20 VisceraEyes wrote: The only other person I'll consider voting for today is geript. Read my posts. Read my wall. Read what I've brought from geript. | ||
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On October 16 2014 01:27 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't understand your point on geript. All you say is his reaction looks "out of context" which doesn't make sense - regardless of his alignment, he thought you were town on D1, then you claimed, so he questioned his read of you. What is out of context about his quote? Hmm. It seems I derped again. I thought he posted here instead of in the scum qt. That is what I meant for our of context... | ||
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On October 16 2014 02:10 Damdred wrote: So just reread what GB said last night and today about sqr. It does not make much sense to me, he has him as his top scum coming into the day and because of a list post where he calls gb town, he puts him as probably mafia but still would probably vote for him today. Instead of making a case on what is probably his top mafia, he soft pushes him to rayn to see if he can get permission to lynch him or at least get some form of traction and while all of this is going on....make a mega case on me while still seeing if he can get sqr lynched. This just feels so much like mafia trying to find someone to lynch. This is a complete misread of my posts and I've made my line of thought pretty clear when changing opinions. Also, there is no sense saying I am searching someone to mislynch or a permission to Lynn. I've being scumreading sqrt since day1. I've being comparing metas throughout the whole game. I could easily jump on oats last day or any other wagon. I decided to push sqrt because he was my top scumread. You're talking nonsense. Also, I'm a man. Stop saying "she". I feel my boobs growing everytime you say that. | ||
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On October 16 2014 06:15 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm done. Requested replacement. Good luck with this shit show. Game has 70 pages on day2. No way you are the only one trying to figure out the game. I've clearly said I am busy | ||
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Have I asked VE if he would kill sqrt? I don't remember. VE, would you kill sqrt? | ||
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On October 16 2014 12:42 Damdred wrote: Sure, GB has a weak case generating ability as town normally. That is he has a really hard time getting across what he thinks and really struggles with being able to articulate what he means as town. As mafia he does it sometimes, but generally hes really firm and does not struggle in getting across the points. He did it when he was talking about DP, which was why I backed off and generally town read GB early on, but for whatever reason it stopped and he really firm read people. Later on GB has went to the mafia firm stance (check fanfic and how he approached me past day 2 as well) and confusion over why the fake claim was a bad idea really made me think back towards fanfic when he showed confusion over the second lynch. I'm effortless as mafia. Read my fanfic filter again and see if I ever posted like I post here. I mean, damdy, I've already put you out of the lynch because I have to reevaluate reads on you and geript after Rayn pointed out problems on my read on you. Just calm down and let's try to find a lynch townies are ok to do. | ||
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On October 16 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote: i just placeholdered for ritoky. i was really sick yesterday and today im super busy. Can we kill kush? Like Lol. He never said he was sick yesterday and now he is saying he will be busy. Like Lol. I smell bullshit | ||
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On October 15 2014 20:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: So here is my problem with ritoky. 1) His read evolution on VE and how he explains it here. Does anyone think a townie would "accuse" their townread like ritoky says here? well i don't. 2) His scumreads now. He seems to have me, GB and kushmasta as scumreads. It doesn't make any sense at all for me being mafia with either of those people. It just doesn't. ritoky's thought process shows a complete lack of any logical thinking which i don't think is townie at all. He never answers me regarding the things he claims make me scummy (when those aren't even things -- he is not proving them, and he can't possibly prove them because they are not true). He claims i was acting scummily regarding kushmasta on N1 while what i did and my conclusion is what he claims to be more likely townie..... He claims doing something (in this situation scumreading or rather wanting to lynch lurkers) is scummy if done in a certain time. When i do it (except that i really don't) at some other point -- "well what the hell it's still scummy". 3) ritoky's vote on D1. He says he was following his strong townreads VE and CR onto Oats. That's fine, if it only was just that. But it's not. People who started the Oats lynch were DarthPunk and geript. ritoky doesn't think either of those guys is strong town. He scumreads geript. I don't even know what his read on DP is but it doesn't seem like it was town. Then VE votes. Then I vote. ritoky doesn't think i am town, didn't think i am necessarily town on D1. Then CR votes. Well CR hasn't done much on D1. Based on this the people voting on Oats (colors from ritoky's reads) are (in order of time of their votes): DarthPunk geript VE raynpelikoneet Hopeless CR Notice that at this time the opposing wagons are geript and GlowingBear!!!! So ritoky sheeps a vote pushed by his scumreads against lynches on his scumreads and says "i am sheeping my townreads although i am not as confident on the lynch as they are". !!!!! This is mafia behaviour. It literally doesn't make any sense at all. It also doesn't make any sense he isn't scumreading geript any more (or maybe he is, but then he scumreading like fucking mostly everyone in the game....) ritoky is mafia. ##vote: ritoky Rayn, my thoughts on your case: 1) Objectively, I think it's possible to a townie accuse his townread when he find something odd. I did that a lot. Any townie would do that because they aren't sure of who is town and who is mafia. I did thr with damdred, for instance. 2) Contradiction is not exactly a scum tell and there is a possibility he is not making associations, but just pointing out who he thinks is scum. Maybe he didn't think about a scum team making sense, and honestly, I think he shouldn't. It's unflipped association. 3) This is your strongest argument IMO, but think of it this way: if he is mafia, he could've just placed his vote outside the wagon instead joining it at the very end. So this argument is good but not as strong as it seems. Maybe as mafia he joined only at the end so it makes it difficult to find mafia inside there. That said, I just don't think your case is strong, but I believe he is mafia because of passivity. He is not contributing, he is not engaging himself in arguments to find scum, he is not scum hunting, etc. Rayn, I'll vote sqrt or ritoky today. Maybe geript if you can convince me he is mafia and not only for they damdred meta thing. I derped a lot regarding geript, but his stream of thoughts seems genuine to me. | ||
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I've already give reasons why and there is another one: I find odd that he strongly scumreads CR but votes hopeless based only on math. It's like it was planned to kill DP and make hopeless' claim look bad. | ||
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HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS MUCH MORE THAN 1 MAFIA TRAIT. ALL WE HAVE GOT ON THE OTHER ARE SPECIFIC REASONS BUT NOT AN OVERALL GAMEPLAY SQRT IS THE MOST SCUMMY IN THE GAME SO PLEASE VOTE FOR HIM | ||
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On October 17 2014 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: GB you are not reading into my case on ritoky very well but that's for tomorrow.. Maybe. I read and typed my analysis while getting ready to work. I promise I'll re read it. | ||
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Look at who his vote is now placed. Just because I said he voted hopeless instead of cr. But he is voting the most improbable person to be lynched today. | ||
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On October 17 2014 05:37 Chairman Ray wrote: Can we consolidate? I would not like to give mafia a choice of lynch here. I still prefer sqrt over geript. There's is a possibility that both wagons are mafia CR. also, there are already 4 people on geript. I hardly believe they could make another wagon. | ||
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I'm keeping on sqrt because geript will already be munched anyway. | ||
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On October 17 2014 07:05 Alakaslam wrote: Ridiculous, Rayn. I can see how you will react to my replies, the point is so you can do what you usually do. It seems we burn out at similar times, my reactions font seem any good to you then they probably aren't gojng to. Anyone else? I have to drive to la soon again Read sqrt's filter and say what you think of it. It's hardly 2 pages long. | ||
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On October 17 2014 07:17 Alakaslam wrote: I think sqrt is town. We've reached a point where everybody is town, then. ENDGAME! EVERYONE IS TOWN AND YOU WERE ARGUING FOR NOTHING | ||
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Rayn is probably town because of his stream of thoughts that were brought to the thread, the way he approaches the game, trying to solve it, and bringing information to the thread. VE I actually don't know. He just felt townie in some periods of the game. I am town because my role pm says so. | ||
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On October 17 2014 09:53 Alakaslam wrote: Are you aware of the length of VE's mafia career? Immediate FoS VE, however I should read first. No but I find better to lynch clear scumreads than to lynch VE. I'm not lynching him day3 There is one thing that bothers me on VE: his whining seems forced | ||
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On October 17 2014 10:30 Hopeless1der wrote: p.s. where the fuck is sqrt? He is trying to understand why your observation on the replacement was relevant. | ||
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On October 17 2014 10:38 Hopeless1der wrote: you think he'd like the chicken or the fish when we lunch him? I just care for the fried potatoes | ||
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On October 17 2014 04:13 sqrtofneg1 wrote: HAPPY BIRTHDAY BH!!! CR is scum. But so is geript. I'm fine with this lynch going through. LOLOLOLOLOL Here, we can see sqrt completely comfortable with the mislynch. Reason why he doesn't like geript? It's becasuse geript thought mafia would claim prime. Lololol | ||
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On October 17 2014 17:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: You guys need to read my case on ritoky. If slam is rown he needs to towntell the shit out of this game before i die because noone else can read him. I think kush is most likely to be mafia. He just doesn't care to play. Sqrt might be scum but i don't like a few things: (1) people pushing him. CR is a high volume lurker who is capable of posting well as mafia. As in making good posts on objectively scummy people. He isn't interacting with the game at all other than his cases on sqrt and dropping votes EOD. GB i would lynch the shit out of in a normal game because the dude is MAKING NO SENSE AND DOING SCUMMY SHIT!!! so yeah. I don't trust those people's reads becausd they are not playing vry well if they are town. Never ever lynch ve, hopeless and damdred. It's a shame if äevrn one of thosse guys is mafia but everyone else looks fucking terrible compared to them. It's also a shame this game was/is shit becaune noone is fuckinc playing. There was a feason i originally didn't want to join the game and now i regret my decision to replace in as this is a waste of my time.... I am making no fucking sense? Besides stupid fake claiming and the weird read on DP, I am trying to lynch sqrt since the beginning of the game. And the more game goes on, more scummy he looks, but somehow you refuse to see him this way. You decide to follow oats lynch and now you decided to follow geripts lynch and guess what? Both flipped town. You've been against the sqrt lynch since the beginning of the game but you have no reason to town read him. And yeah, in a normal game, you would lynch me. Why aren't you? You'll are reading me as town although you already said that you would lynch me if I did stupid moves like I did. You said I was bad last game and I was mafia. What is holding you from voting me? | ||
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YOU ARE NEVER THIS SILENT, COME ON. | ||
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I hope you bring things to the table because you commonly are much more contributive with your reads when you are town. | ||
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Sqrt brings odd early reads, which you can find in the spoiler + Show Spoiler [early reads] + On October 12 2014 08:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote: CR: Inflating filter, not doing much. Posts like this: or this: are completely different from what I remember of him playing, back in team melee mafia. On October 12 2014 08:28 sqrtofneg1 wrote: VE: Townreads geript, self confirms town, self proclaims best medic save, ect. Not rubbing with me in the right way. On October 12 2014 08:30 sqrtofneg1 wrote: geript: And then the next post: This post: looks like buddying DP. I don't like that. On October 12 2014 08:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote: GB: and then Why would he not want to discuss his own scumreads? On October 12 2014 08:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote: This is the thing I don't like. If you're named VT, why would you claim so early, even if someone says to? I would keep it to myself for a while at least. So, his motives for scumreading people is basically "he is trying to inflate filter with two posts", "geript is trying to buddy someone", "GB doesn't want to talk about his scumread", "hopeless claimed prime". Why is this mafia trait?: giving this bad reasoning and immediately lurking sounds like someone who just tried to look like he is trying to figure out the game, but actually isn't, and went full lurkage to avoid drawing attention, which he successfully did. Then, he comes back to the thread and post this: On October 13 2014 07:56 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, I'm back, but I have a really busy thanksgiving weekend. I'll touch on the people who I haven't yet, and go back to the festivities. Barakos has few posts, but they are all really good. Rayn is null Kush hasn't done anything. Neither has Sn0. Ritoky is interesting. I have no idea what all the food pictures are. Oats is town. My vote is on glowingbear. Don't expect me to talk until tuesday. So, he says that Barakos has good posts but he doesn't know about Rayn. Says obvious things about kush and Sn0 without giving his thoughts of what this means regarding alignments. Says Ritoky is interesting (why exactly? Ritoky was posting but wasn't contributing, he just posted a lot of bullshit and lurked). Then he says OATS IS TOWN. WHAT? WHY? A lot of people was in doubt regarding oats alignment. How does Oats is so certainly town? And if he thinks Oats is town, WHY DOES HE THINKS SO? How can he say that if he clearly isn't reading the thread or busy with thanksgiving? (remember: he didn't know rayn replaced barakos) Then he votes on me and goes lurking again, not caring for the lynch! And he didn't even bring reasons to vote me. He simply voted. I'll assume, then, that I am his strongest scumread (this will be important for further analysis) Why is this mafia trait?: as mafia, if you see wagons being formed on townies, you don't care for the votecount. You can simply drop your vote and fuck off because certainly a mislynch will occur. If you're townie, you'll make sure that your strongest scumread is voted or at least agree with a wagon brought by someone else, but reasoning your agreement. Not simply randomly dropping votes. Then, he posts that next to deadline reads: On October 15 2014 06:17 sqrtofneg1 wrote: GlowingBear is looking town. Excellent posts such as these: Show that he's working to figure out the game. Same thing with rayn. He's town. I definitely don't like Chairman Ray. He pushes me, but then votes Oats without commenting at all about him. Scummy. DarthPunk is the first one who picked up on my 'townslip'. Shows great attention to the thread. Either mafia, or just good townie. However, he's been jumping around, target wise. Goes from me, to Sn0 and ritoky, to GlowingBear, to Oatsmaster. He had pretty much no case on Sn0, ritoky and Oats, and yet people all jumped on to the Oats wagon. I don't like that. I still have no idea on ritoky. Damdred has been pushing Geript. VE is town. His logic against geript is excellent. EX: Geript's the guy who pushed Oats. He also doesn't like Damdred. Currently, he wants us to look at hopeless. I don't think so. .... I don't have any solid evidence against geript, but I don't like him. Hopeless isn't doing much either. No solid reads except me. Plus, probability wise, it's really unlikely he's actually a prime. Top lynch target today. ##Vote: Hopeless1der When I first read this post, I thought this looked like his town meta. But I was biased with his townread on me. After I read his post again, I realised it is terrible. Reasons: 1) He suddenly reads me as town for math posts. I think it is ok to read me as town regarding the Damdred post, but not math posts. Anyone could do that. I WAS HIS TOP SCUMREAD WHEN HE VOTED ME. How I suddenly turned into town? There is no way he reads me as town UNLESS he KNOWS I am town and looked for a reason to say so. 2) He tries to defend himself with what Darthpunk brought about his townslip, and reads him as town for that. He derps and says DP is either town or smart mafia when DP already flipped. His excuse, in a later post, is that this was written during night time and has old reads. Come on, this post came exactly 12 minutes after the flip. If he is town he would try to post this before the end of night because, well, he probably wouldn't die night 1 but who knows? But the most important part here is that he uses DP post to defend himself AFTER DP flips town. 3) VERY BAD: after doing this "comprehensive" reads, he just says that "Damdred is pushing geript" and "I still have no idea on Ritoky". REALLY? DAMDRED IS PUSHING GERIPT? THANK YOU! WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF IT? You still have no idea on Ritoky? Why exactly you don't want to talk about these guys? Like, Ritoky style of posting and lurkage felt pretty scummy. It's impossible that you aren't, at least, suspicious of him. 4) He says he doesn't like geript but does not know why. He reads VE as town because he has good logic. LOL. Having good logic ISN'T ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE. Again, the only why he could read VE as town like that is because he KNOWS VE IS TOWN. 5) Still regarding geript, he says he doesn't like him and bring two posts where geript describes that mafia would always claim prime. So, the most reasonable conclusion is that he doesn't like geript because he was bringing suspicions on Hopeless. Then, HE VOTES HOPELESS. THIS MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE. WHY IS HE VOTING SOMEONE HE THINKS IS FAKE CLAIMING IF HE FINDS SUPICIOUS THE GUY WHO SAYS MAFIA WOULD FAKE CLAIM? 6) He says CR is definetely mafia but VOTES ON HOPELESS. His using probabilities to vote on someone instead of voting his top scumread. WHY? As an overall analysis of this post, he is reading as town obvious town but people that are questionable, he has no opinion on them. He voted Hopeless BEFORE I fake claimed, but look at how he reacts later: On October 16 2014 01:17 sqrtofneg1 wrote: My thoughts on GB claim and stuff: First thought: WTF? That claim makes no sense. GB is mafia or Hopeless is mafia. Second thought: That claim makes even less sense for mafia to do. GB is town, therefore Hopeless is mafia. Third thought: Wait a second, he retracted his claim. Does that make Hopeless town? Do we actually have 3 Primes? I think the winning play is to not lynch GB or Hopeless. We need to lynch elsewhere. Ok, so, he was lynching Hopeless considering probabilities. Remember that he voted him before I fake claimed. I fake claimed, then rescinded. He suddenly believes that it's better to let both us and hopeless live. HOW DOES THIS CHANGES PROBABILITIES? WHY HE SUDDENLY BELIEVES IT'S BETTER TO KEEP US BOTH ALIVE? Moreover, LETTING US LIVE WAS HIS TOP SCUMREAD IDEA: On October 15 2014 07:11 Chairman Ray wrote: Yeah, I find it hard to believe that mafia would actually shoot the prime. What does everyone think about just leaving both hopeless and GB alive today? So, he is agreeing with his top scumread!! Why? Does this mean he is townreading CR? NOPE (see spoiler) + Show Spoiler [case on CR] + On October 16 2014 01:40 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Voting my next scummy looking person: Chairman Ray. Reason: D1: he thinks I'm top scum. And then, he votes Oats with this reason: An argument could be made that by that time, there was no hope of lynching me, but you don't vote someone that you haven't said a single word about. Day 2: Still only me. Let me point out that if you're town, you don't have only one scumread. There's 3 scum in this game, and the fact that he's only focusing on me indicates that he's mafia. ##Unvote ##Vote: Chairman Ray HE VOTES CR WHEN THE MAIN WAGONS ARE HIM AND GERIPT. HE THOUGHT GERIPT WAS SUSPICIOUS, WHY DIDN'T HE CONSOLIDATE ON HIM? He wasted his votes 2 following days. When oats was getting lynched, he kept his vote on me. When Geript was getting lynched, he kept his vote on CR. He is also much more interactive in his townplays, and posts a lot more. He has a clear stream of thoughts that aren't revealed in the game we are playing right now. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?user=sqrtofneg1 (13 pages of filter) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445959-newbie-mini-mafia-liv?user=sqrtofneg1 (7 pages of filter) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?user=sqrtofneg1 (10 pages of filter) That's it guys. I've gave plenty of reasons to vote him now. | ||
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On October 17 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i can. There's not enough mafia in rhis game because 6ppl are scummy. Kush is mafia and sqrt is not mafia with him. Do you have reading comprehension issues? Yes I have. Please help me explaining why they can't be both mafia together. | ||
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On October 18 2014 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I already did. Kush is incapable of townreading his scumbuddies. Can you bring more than one meta that proves this? | ||
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On October 18 2014 00:37 Damdred wrote: That case GB, it might be the best case i've seen you do before. I really like the parts about how he keeps siding with his top scum reads. So who do you think is his partners? Do you think CR is his partner with how hes scum reading him but not really pushing him? I've never put so much effort on a case since vets vs newbies. I don't know, I'm still not making associative reads, I just have single targets. But before that, why do you suggest CR? He also sided with geript, whom whe was suspicios of, and geript flipped town. | ||
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He is, again, agreeing with the person he is voting for. | ||
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You're kidding, right? I've just posted it. Page 79. It's huge, I promise you won't miss it. | ||
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On October 18 2014 01:15 kushm4sta wrote: dude that sucked Which parts? | ||
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On October 18 2014 01:17 kushm4sta wrote: ALL OF IT You obviously haven't read it. Ok guys, we are lynching sqrt day3 and kush day4 | ||
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On October 18 2014 01:17 Damdred wrote: CR is his only scum read left pretty much isn't it basically? I think CR looks pretty towny myself but i was wondering what you made of it Ok, we can talk about it, but first I want your updated reads. Geript was your main read and now he is dead and you said you were re reading the thread. What did you make of these? | ||
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On October 18 2014 01:25 kushm4sta wrote: listen, we can win this game and i'm in a position where i can start trying. gb your case is so sooo so bad. part 1: those shit arguments actually point townie. To have all those suspicions with logic behind them that early in the game is incredibly townie. His points aren't super solid, but they come from a paranoid state of mind that is very hard to fake. Plus, you are not giving his early game arguments as much credit as they deserve. This is what he says: This is what you say he says: YOu can see how his argument actually has reasoning behind it that makes sense/ That's not alignment indicative. So his argument on CR is pretty okay, is that what you're saying? You've just brought what he thinks of hopeless. | ||
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On October 18 2014 01:27 Damdred wrote: I'm goin to skip town reads right now because it will be obvious i think such an such is town and condensing a bit. I'm not sure if i'm just horrible at understanding geript and his tone and that we are just fundamentally opposed no matter what. Or we can read each other later on if we play enough, I could still see him being scum especially with how he quit earlier and it really sucks. Kush should be the #1 lynch today, he makes excuses in the thread about not contributing. He tells us he doesn't give reads during the night obviously but he still doesn't give reads during the day and just sits around trolling barely commenting on anyone besides negatively calling your cases bad for example GB. He then randomly looks at people never shows documentation that the person is town or where he got it from but calls them town anyway, this guy is scum and probably should be the lynch tommorow. Slam/Ritoky Is probably a good shot at being mafia, however I think kush is the better lynch. Ritokys posts had little to no content in it and a lot of the accusations that he was able to bring out didn't really seem fleshed out and seemed a bit bare especially for rit and who he attacked top town rayn. However slam has just gotten replaced in wants to talk bu thasn't read the thread or started to give thoughts yet so thats a negative but shouldn't be lynched today so he can prove he can do things and show his alignment. SQR, your case to me really slams the door on him pretty well. It does become a lurker lynch, but I think ti was CR who pointed out a good scummy point about him which I agree with and your case GB makes me think he is scum but I still woudl rather do Kush first I'm okay with lynching kush but I saw he being this bad as town. Mission LYLO and Fanfic are good examples. I have a pretty solid read on sqrt and I am lynching him tomorrow. I want him dead. We can lynch kush on the next day. | ||
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On October 18 2014 01:32 kushm4sta wrote: you have to realize that it's early game so ofc suspicions are going to be based on very little. He is still scumreading CR. Ok, you believe the early game argument is bad. Tell me what you think of the items I've written on mumbers | ||
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On October 18 2014 01:36 kushm4sta wrote: what is mumbers... YOU KNOW I MEANT NUMBERS | ||
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On October 18 2014 01:39 kushm4sta wrote: no i really didn't. now that i know it means numbers i still don't know wtf you are talking about. Of course you don't. You haven't properly read my case. | ||
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On October 18 2014 01:40 kushm4sta wrote: and don't call me bad because being busy and sick is different from being bad. But not giving reads and not contributing is bad... | ||
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On October 18 2014 01:50 kushm4sta wrote: no it's not. it's called BEING BUSY /SICK. which I will am so my temper is short. want to see some true badness? ok go to page 79 there's a huge wall of text the epitomizes badness right there. Are you stlli sick, busy? Because I am busy all week long and I'm still posting a lot | ||
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On October 18 2014 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is most likely going to be my last post of the phase because i am gonna be on the road for now on. VE, Damdred and Hopeless you guys NEED to vote together. Otherwise we do lose. Kill kush. Kill kush so very hard and in so many fires. VE you know kush. There is no chance he is going go be town. Then kill ritoky/slam. Then figure out the last mafia. You absolutely need to vote together!!! Then sqrt is going to be town. It means one of gb cr is mafia: - points against GB: D1 case from me. I don't know how valid it is anymore but reread it and figure out if i am right or wrong. DP's n1 and him dying. He if he made too much sense. Gb only pushing cases at the eod. Except for now. His response to my case on ritoky and him ignoring it multiple times. His conclusions from the fakeclaim shit. I've talked about it all. - points against cr: Lurking until deadlines and not participating into any discussions at all. Also read how ritoky treated those guys. You might find answers there. Sqrt you must vote with the people i just talked to. Otherwise you are mafia. That's the best i can give you guys. Don't fuck up. Please. So, you're NOT reading my case. | ||
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On October 18 2014 02:03 kushm4sta wrote: do you have the flu? do you work full time? do you go to school full time for chemical engineering and get fuck tons of homework? do you have a girlfriend? yes to all those questions for me. so i dont think your business can compete with mine. Nope Yes Yes but not chemical engineering, thank god Nope, finally! But if you have such a busy schedule, while even bothering signing in? | ||
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On October 18 2014 02:28 kushm4sta wrote: cause this is my procrastination I'm glad you're doing fine with your obligations, then | ||
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Only damdred gave thoughts on my case. Kush hasn't even read it properly | ||
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On October 18 2014 03:44 kushm4sta wrote: if mechanics are telling you someone is scum, that supercedes all other reads Why didn't you vote hopeless then? | ||
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On October 18 2014 04:07 kushm4sta wrote: i still have no idea what happened lol. all i remember is one of gb or hopeless must be scum. then i came back and that wasn't the case anymore. My claim doesn't matter in this perspective. He voted for hopeless before I claimed. If you're okay with sqrt thought you would be still voting for hopeless. Which means your excuse now is shit. Again: why aren't you voting for him, then? I'll let you think of a second excuse | ||
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On October 18 2014 04:24 Alakaslam wrote: Your case here is so bad I am voting you for it You'll have to be more specific. Tell me what is bad and why it's bad. I'll lynch anyone who says my case is bad without reasoning why. | ||
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You may not like the beginning and that's fine, they are not the strongest points. But the post-deadline analysis is very strong and you haven't attacked it directly. | ||
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On October 18 2014 05:08 kushm4sta wrote: gb can you restate what you consider the strongest part of your case concisely? without using all caps. Items on numbers | ||
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We are lynchig sqrt today and if he flips mafia we have the game figured out. Ez | ||
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On October 18 2014 05:10 Hopeless1der wrote: do not do that GB. you tell kush to go suck a lemon. It'll feel better and have a stronger impact as far as getting him to lynch sqrt. LOLOLOLOLOLOL | ||
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On October 18 2014 05:15 kushm4sta wrote: DUDE I READ YOUR CASE I READ IT ALL. I DONT KNOW WTF YOIU ARE TALKING A BOUT WIT HTHIS NUMBERS SHIT OMG KUSH THERE IS A LIST LIKE 1), 2), 3), THAT'S THE PART I AM REFERENCING, FOR GOD SAKE | ||
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Do the right thing. | ||
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On October 18 2014 07:17 Hopeless1der wrote: I'd rather discuss why you dont feel good about sqrt. Kush is not a valuable discussion topic. LOL CR's change is completely bizarre. | ||
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On October 18 2014 07:24 Chairman Ray wrote: What do you think is a possible scum team with sqrt on it? You and slam (ritoky). Makes perfect sense | ||
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On October 18 2014 07:24 Chairman Ray wrote: What do you think is a possible scum team with sqrt on it? Who is mafia then? | ||
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On October 18 2014 07:42 Chairman Ray wrote: I don't believe he can be on a scumteam with kush. I don't believe he can be on a scumteam with you. It's also unlikely for him to be on a scumteam with slam. No matter how strong of a scumread I have on sqrt, if I can't put him on a scumteam, Reason being? | ||
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On October 18 2014 07:42 Chairman Ray wrote: I don't believe he can be on a scumteam with kush. I don't believe he can be on a scumteam with you. It's also unlikely for him to be on a scumteam with slam. No matter how strong of a scumread I have on sqrt, if I can't put him on a scumteam, I mean 1) Why it is unlikely that he is partner with each of those guys? 2) So you're basically saying that you have being scumreading him since the beginning of the game, that he is your top scumread at the moment, but you're not voting him because you're making unflipped associations. You're basically claiming scum if he flips mafia | ||
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On October 18 2014 08:30 Chairman Ray wrote: Yes, I'm making unflipped associations. Given that it's mylo, why aren't you? It's LYLO (if we mislynch, day4 will be a vote race and I doubt town can win against scum), and it's EXACTLY because it's LYLO that I'm not making unflipped associations. Unflipped associations and thoughts regarding rayn's death are complete WIFOM. You are abandoning an obvious scumread to rely on WIFOM, solely. We have much more information from sqrt that truly says he is mafia, more than kush. | ||
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I INVITE EVERY TOWNIE TO READ AND RE READ MY CASE ON SQRT. I'M CERTAIN HE IS MAFIA. | ||
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On October 18 2014 09:32 Chairman Ray wrote: It's 5v3, so it's mylo. A no-lynch means that it will be 4v3 tomorrow, granting us an extra day and flip. Theoretically, a no-lynch would have some benefits and have some drawbacks. If someone like VE suggested it, it would be okay, but sqrt suggesting it is super scummy, given that he isn't even making use of the time we have. I think sqrt is just baiting people to townread him. Ugh... there is literally nothing I can do to read sqrt as town, yet the game doesn't make sense if he is. It sucks for town. We get another day but less one townie to properly vote, and our lynch options will be th same, since they will kill the most obvious town anyway. | ||
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On October 18 2014 09:35 GlowingBear wrote: It sucks for town. We get another day but less one townie to properly vote, and our lynch options will be th same, since they will kill the most obvious town anyway. They will kill the most townie person and the ones that looks scummy (sqrt and kush) will be kept alive anyway. We have to decide this today. | ||
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On October 18 2014 09:48 Chairman Ray wrote: and if kush flips town, I partially blame rayn. Stop relying on vets if you're town. Vets got two mislynches. Rely on your top scumread. Vote sqrt | ||
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On October 18 2014 10:05 Chairman Ray wrote: We don't exactly have the luxury at this point to vote off the scummiest acting player. We did on day 1 and day 2, but we don't on mylo. We lynch scum, whether it be sqrt or VE. There's a good chance after this game, we're gonna be saying "wow, sqrt played so scummy, can't believe he was town" or "dang, VE played so well, fooled us all". I really think lynching kush is less of a mistake. I'd rather give props to VE for fooling everybody than letting someone so scummy live. Like, we have to figure out who is scum, not who are the scum team. I still don't get why do you think kush makes more sense. Can you write a comprehensive case on him? Not that I'm going to change from sqrt. It's because I want to understand you | ||
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On October 18 2014 10:13 Damdred wrote: Ok glowing, bush refuses to give reads keeps giving excuses and discreetly throws dirt on things even when he's blurry has not like this He is horrible. I'm voting him day4. But there is no way I'm not voting for him today. Today we are lynching sqrt. I wrote a full case on him damdred. I've brought a ton of reasons to vote him. He is mafia. He will flip mafia. | ||
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On October 18 2014 10:59 Alakaslam wrote: Fortunately I now think you are town... But unfortunately I think you are Tunnelinf town. Who to lynch? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?user=sqrtofneg1&page=1 This is sqrt as bad town in team melee. He was ML day1. Still as bad town, his filter day one is bigger than his filter day3 here. Also, he is much more interactive than here. His reads aren't disconnected to his stream of thoughts like it is here. In this game, his reads are extremely disconnected from his votes. He scumreads a person, votes for another, or follow ideas that are brought from his scumreads, like CR. | ||
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On October 19 2014 00:50 Alakaslam wrote: What else hast thou to say? 1) Where the fuck is everybody 2) Sqrt is mafia, lynch him 3) Where the fuck is VE 4) There's a possibility that kush is bad town 5) Have you read the thread? | ||
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On October 19 2014 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I don't even know or care if Kush is mafia. I just want the game to be over. Rayn thought kush was best shot for mafia and rayn is now confirmed town. Good enough for me. You said you were going to read my case at night. Read my case. PLEASE. | ||
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Kill VE. | ||
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I've brought the most comprehensive case I could ever bring. There are still people lurking or not caring. Someone I think is town is simply voting for kush and fucking off I'm extremely upset with VE. He asked for a replacement but nobody replaced him... Yet ritoky was? Like... If we reach the end of the game and I see VE laughing at us that he was mafia all the time, I'll get very angry. And if he flips town, he game is over, and good for us for him being such a dick. People who has experience with VE. Would town VE repeatedly give up on this game? He is saying this game is unwinnable since night 1 | ||
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If you liked my case, why haven't you voted for him yet? | ||
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And if you actually flip red, I'm going rub your flip into rayn's face. | ||
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VE is most likely to be town. I may be wrong on this by I'd better be wrong with conviction. Voting for sqrt again AND IF YOU ARE TOWN, YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE WITH ME. | ||
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On October 19 2014 06:49 Damdred wrote: I want to know why GB said sqrt sqrt sqrt, got on ve said he will vote sqrt but is still on ve... I want to know why are you holding back your vote. | ||
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HERE IS A 3 DAY GAME WHERE TOWN KUSH DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467155-devils-riddle-mafia?user=rightinthefeels IF YOU'RE VOTING HIM BECAUSE HE ISN'T CARING FOR THE GAME, DON'T! IT'S NOT A MAFIA TRAIT FOR KUSH. IF YOU'RE VOTING HIM BECAUSE RAYN SAID SO, DON'T!! RAYN WAS WRONG WHILE VOTING OATS AND WAS TOTALLY WRONG ON GERIPT, AND MOREOVER, HE SAID KUSH IS MAFIA BECAUSE HE ISN'T CARING FOR THE GAME, WHICH, AS I'VE JUST PROVED, IS BAD HEURISTIC Thank you for your attention. | ||
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On October 19 2014 10:40 Damdred wrote: GB I believe your case and sqrt has me feeling weird always asking people why they townread him What's the problem with this? | ||
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On October 19 2014 09:46 Alakaslam wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: sqrtofneg1 ##unvote ##Vote: Kushm4sta Explain please. | ||
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It seems that kush played with both accounts Here's his filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467155-devils-riddle-mafia?user=kushm4sta It's still him not caring, though | ||
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On October 19 2014 16:41 Alakaslam wrote: To verify that sqrt HAS TO HAVE SEEN THAT. Now voting with you gb He is constantly lurking. How are you certain that he has to have seen that? | ||
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On October 19 2014 23:48 Damdred wrote: Glowing to answer you, it bothers me because town generally don't care that they are town read makes them happy not curious. Scum are curious why. That's my experience Hmm I don't think so. I think when you're scumread but most players, it is odd that someone calls you town out of nothing. I'm always suspicious when people call me town. | ||
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On October 20 2014 00:04 Damdred wrote: Maybe so gb. Talk to me where do we go after this, who do you see as mafia besides sqr We should definetely lynch slam. I'm starting to believe that maybe we should lynch him today. | ||
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On October 20 2014 00:15 Damdred wrote: You are so sure of sqr though why shenanigan onto slam today Tell me what do you think of the votecount today. | ||
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On October 20 2014 00:20 Alakaslam wrote: You must be kidding. Why bother asking me anything then. Why not? | ||
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You voted 6 minutes after sqrt. How's that relevant? Also, what reaction did you expect from sqrt? | ||
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On October 20 2014 00:38 Damdred wrote: Just from looking at votes it could be a bus, i don't think ve is suck here. A bus at LYLO? | ||
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On October 20 2014 01:02 Damdred wrote: Its either a bus or we are on town No shit, damdy. | ||
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On October 20 2014 02:06 Damdred wrote: Then why even ask a question that's dripping with wifom and the ability to be a sick in the answer. What do you want to look elsewhere now that your target has the votes Because I'm afraid that I could be wrong and mafia is ok voting for a town. Do you really think that it is WIFOM that mafia wouldn't bus at LYLO? They are one mislynch close to win the game. | ||
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I hope sqrt is town and I can join another game withou some ppl | ||
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On October 20 2014 04:47 Alakaslam wrote: You are the one bringing an attitude that is never happy. I disagreed with you for valid reasons until sqrt did something classically scummy while I was online and made absolute sure that inaction from him would not be WIFOM. So I proved you right for myself. You proceed to attack me as scum for that, and now want to get off sqrt. ![]() End of story. Slam, it is LYLO and there is a huge wagon on sqrt. Nobody is trying to think on it. It's bad. | ||
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On October 20 2014 05:15 Damdred wrote: Then think at me tv what do you want to do Now? Now I want sqrt to flip to see if I'm right or wrong. | ||
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Anyway, this was a very bad game because most townies lurked and VE just fucked off. Bah. | ||
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On October 20 2014 07:38 Damdred wrote: Also the great point you brought geript was my tone and nonwhining. But i wasn't passive. Sorry gb wasn't trying to scumhunt you almost home on it Yeah like it didn't feel like your townplay. But sqrt looked really bad to me... I'm glad that you flipped red, it means I can read you well and Rayn can't. | ||
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On October 20 2014 07:39 Hopeless1der wrote: Yeah I milked that for all it was worth. My failure to do anything as "confirmed" town seemed to have killed the game so kind of sorry, but it was effective. You did a very good job admitting I could be town. I would expect mafia to freak out and go full throttle on me. | ||
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On October 20 2014 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote: thing is that I knew you were lying either way. If I was actually prime, there are no other power roles. As scum, I literally know what the setup is. You basically can't be scum to me because of the 1v1 analysis. But you didn't freak out. Like, you could mislynch me, I'd flip green, and you would still carry your prime claim. | ||
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On October 20 2014 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote: i guess that'd have been possible. I'm glad I didnt because you buried sqrt for us. btw, wtf was with his gameplay? It really was incredibly scummy. Bah. Lurkage destroyed this game. I mean, did VERY BAD moves, like DP's and fakeclaiming. But I was participating a lot... I simply gave up at the end because no townie was there and I decided to not waste breath. | ||
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On October 20 2014 07:57 VisceraEyes wrote: GG all. Thought that Kush lynch was in the bag. K | ||
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On October 20 2014 09:51 kushm4sta wrote: you can't even blame lurkers for this loss though. and VE i found your play particularly distateful. It's like you gave up playing because of lurkers when you really had no reason to. Lol I can't? One got modkilled and another looked like complete scum. Meh. | ||
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On October 20 2014 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I told everyone to lynch kush. You would have looked horrible if townies used their brain. It's hard to scumread you/hopeless when everyine except ve was so goddamn scummy. ![]() Altgough imo you played well. I read you town by your actions. Hopeless gambled and won, then there was "no room" for him to be mafia in my world. You also wanted to kill geript and you were the only one reading damdred as town the whole game with a lot of certainty. I was the only active town at LYLO that was trying to still solve the game. Then I realised nobody was playing, so I just fucked off too | ||
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On October 21 2014 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well you pushed a townie all game long so... ![]() I am not blaming anyone for reading people wrong, Especially you, since the game was near impossble to solve because of inactivity. But you gotta understand if you read VE town and he refuses to vote for your lynch you are gonna 100% lose if you don't vote for his because of LYLO... Mafia WILL consolidate anyways if they win... That i think was the biggest mistake for the town. If you are on sqrt and think ecen one player on kush is town you NEED to vote for him. You just need to.... I see. This makes sense. I actually started believing we were heading to a mislynch. But, anyway... Gg | ||
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