EPTIf I roll mafia this game, I will retire afterwards
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Chairman Ray
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If I roll mafia this game, I will retire afterwards | ||
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I'm gonna roll scum again aren't I | ||
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On October 12 2014 06:56 Hopeless1der wrote: Must be. 2/3 down, games almost solved. Good job boys. Dang, I knew it was too good to be true. I must be hallucinating or something. | ||
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You guys started the game picking on small, insignificant things, and some pointless votes were thrown around. Wasn't too long before you guys all started town reading one another. Either you guys all have very obvious town metas, or this may indicate a conversation between mafia. | ||
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On October 12 2014 07:43 GlowingBear wrote: He "parroted" me. Gotta hear more from him. I'm really worried about sqrt right now. He said hi and disappeared Where did I parrot you? | ||
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On October 12 2014 07:45 Hopeless1der wrote: i'm more concerned that he claimed scum, but thats just me. I think the scum claim was perfectly fine. He just wanted to make a math joke, unlike most scum claims that seem kinda forced. I'm more worried about him ducking out of the thread after making a joke. | ||
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On October 12 2014 07:54 GlowingBear wrote: ^ this CR, you said exactly what I said about trying hard and throwing votes, so, that was kinda parroting. We have similar reads, but they're still different. You gave scumreads on people for picking on insignificant things and throwing votes. I gave a scumread from people starting to townread each other when most of the stuff that's happened is picking on insignificant things and throwing votes. | ||
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You, geript, sqrt | ||
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On October 12 2014 08:08 DarthPunk wrote: Why not VE if you are scum reading for giving town reads? VE's townreads are a bit different, he's fine to me atm. | ||
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On October 12 2014 08:08 DarthPunk wrote: Also you think Geript and I are double bussing? what do you mean by this? | ||
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On October 12 2014 08:14 DarthPunk wrote: Two of your scum reads are voting for your third scum read. My read isn't that the three of you are mafia together. I have a mafia lean on the three of you individually, and I think there's a good chance I'm correct on at least one of you. | ||
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On October 12 2014 08:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote: GB: and then Why would he not want to discuss his own scumreads? If GB were to drop a scumread, and then avoid talking about it, that could be scummy; however GB straight out said that he did not want to talk about it. Do you think that's something scum would do? | ||
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On October 12 2014 08:47 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Why would anyone not want to talk about their scumreads in the first place unless they made it up? I don't get it. After you get back from WCS AM, answer me this: Why would a scum want to make up a scumread without any reasoning? | ||
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Sqrt entered the thread with a joke scumclaim (which is fine imo), but then left for a few hours, and re-entered the thread with some really bad reads after some people were pushing on him. There's a clear difference when town is giving bad reads and when scum is giving bad reads, and it's clear that his reads show a scum mindset. His reasonings are all just "this person did X, therefore he's mafia", without any regard to why X is scummy. I will summarize all his reads: CR is mafia because he made 2 filler posts VE is mafia because he gave a townread on geript and himself Geript is mafia because he's buddying DP GB is mafia because he didn't want to discuss one of his scumreads What else do those 4 reads have in common? Firstly, they are barely relevant to the game with everything else that's happened. Secondly, they all appear near the start of their filters. So what does this mean? This means that sqrt probably just clicked on a few people's filter, read until he could comment on one thing, and then stopped there. Scummy as hell. One other thing that I find interesting. When I defended sqrt's read on GB, he responded to me normally. Let's take a step back and look at this. Sqrt thinks I'm mafia. That means when I ask him something, it should cross his mind that I'm mafia with an agenda other than getting more information. He should have noticed that I asked him about GB, and didn't respond at all on his reads on me. That's one very obvious thing a town sqrt should have noticed. What's more interesting is that he has both GB an I as scumreads, but when I defended GB, he responded to me like he's trying to convince me of his read. For someone who accused geript and DP of buddying, it should have been 1000% obvious that I'm buddying GB, but nope, not at all. Scum scum scummy scummy scum scum. ##Vote: sqrtofneg1 | ||
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I agree it is a very good observation, but doesn't mean much a few hours into the game when I've been busy all day. This is the first game I've rolled town in a long time, so if I don't go tryhard mode, you should definitely lynch me. In fact, I'll even vote myself if that happens. | ||
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On October 12 2014 19:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Other things. Hopeless is almost definitely town unless counter-claimed. Oats is almost definitely town for cutting out the shit talk someone tried to push after his claim. Whoever that dude was didn't even call hopeless mafia but only casted doubt on his claim for no reason (it was the correct play to claim). Why did you do that whoever you were? That was sqrt IIRC | ||
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On October 12 2014 20:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: CR does it make sense to you GB is calling out people who are scumreading the same people he is? Also does it make sense to you he scumreads people for trying to scumhunt? Yes to the first question. Besides geript, ritoky's reads and different than GB's, and even the reasoning for geript is different as well. If I was scumreading someone and someone else was scumreading them as well, but for crappy reasons, I would totally call him out on it. It's a good indication of scum either pretending to be active or bussing. Can you give me the specific example for the second question? I'm not sure what it is referring to. Also when I was revisiting GB's filter, I noticed that he volunteered information that he was at a party like 4 times, even though nobody criticized him for being absent. Seems a little too defensive to me. If there's something scummy about GB to me, it would be that. I would still rather lynch sqrt today though. What do you think about him? | ||
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On October 13 2014 09:33 DarthPunk wrote: Here is the town slip; So sqrt is clearly not reading the thread because he treats Barakos and rayn as separate entities. If he had access to a scum qt you can bet your arse that he would know rayn had replaced in regardless of reading the thread or not. If rayn as scum it would be apparent in the qt cause he would be in the qt. If rayn is town all the scummers would be shitting their pantsu. Sqrt slipped ignorance of something scum would not be ignorant about. He is very likely to be town aligned, would not lynch for a few days. I don't think him mistaking bara and rayn is indicative of a town slip. It only indicates that he hasn't touched filters yet (because he would have seen the replacement in the OP), and he was browsing quickly (because he would have seen the mod note). I do agree that it's less likely for sqrt to be scum if rayn is scum. In my experience, I've never seen talk about replacements in the scum qt. Half the time the scum qt is barren until the first night. I'll revisit sqrt | ||
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You have my vote | ||
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jk, was a decent lynch | ||
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Scum shot the towniest person. DP or rayn would be obvious medic saves, unless mafia knew there wasn't a medic because they know there are three primes. If hopeless or DP dies - primes are real -> roles don't claim Scum shot a prime. Which means if the other prime-claim is scum, then any parity cop or medic claim would instantly kill him. Anyone else dies -> primes fake -> roles don't claim Scum was trying to hunt roles. If scum knew there are three primes, then there would be no risk of medic save, and they wouldn't need to hunt roles. Shooting the towniest person would be perfectly safe. But if someone random like me dies, the most likely explanation would be blue hunting. If there is a blue, he would claim at start of day anyways, so there's no loss to mafia having him die early and making hopeless/dp look bad. Nobody dies -> doesn't mean anything This is a complicated situation. Nobody dying would make it seem like there is a medic. If I was mafia this game, and I knew the prime claims were real, then I would hold my shot. By holding my shot, it gives the impression that there is a medic. Everyone would agree that medic shouldn't come out because the evidence of medic is already there. Town would believe that there is a fake between the primes. The likely course of action is both primes get lynched. So let's not do that. Ran out of time, will talk 2mrw if I don't die. | ||
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What does everyone think about just leaving both hopeless and GB alive today? | ||
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If hopeless was mafia, mafia would know there was a 50% chance of there being a medic. Would they really shoot the towniest person in the game, who was also a prime? DP was the #1 medic save. Additionally, shooting DP means that any role claim, be it prime or medic, or cop, instantly paints hopeless as scum. Would have been much better to shoot rayn if going after a top town, or hunt for the blue. | ||
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On October 15 2014 07:22 Damdred wrote: Glowing did you bread from cop? Why check hopeless here? He didn't check hopeless. The existence of a cop means there's only 2 primes. 2 primes have already flipped. Hopeless's prime claim was fake. | ||
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On October 15 2014 07:25 geript wrote: Why does DP die? Like that's the real question. DP was arguably the top town. He had the most influence on day 1, directing everyone to his preferred lynch, and most people were townreading him. Do you think it's possible he was killed because mafia wanted to get rid of the top town? | ||
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I want to lynch GB, tomorrow. If GB does turn out to be the parity cop, we get one check. Mafia gets the choice to shoot him tonight. If mafia wants to silence his check, they kill GB for us, and we can just lynch hopeless. If mafia doesn't shoot GB, we lynch GB, and if he's the parity cop, we still get the check. I think this is the most beneficial play. | ||
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On October 15 2014 07:33 geript wrote: He wasn't the person I expected to flip. Maybe I kinda forgot about him. But with the flip and the cop claim, that's like awful play if GB is mafia. Like the right tactic is to not shoot into the prime claims ever. So why kill DP? I don't get why he's the kill over Rayn or VE assuming both are town. Yeah I agree, if GB was mafia planning to fake claim, he should not have shot a prime at all. I can't think of a situation where this makes sense from mafia playing the game perfectly. Somewhere along the lines they either acted sub-optimally, or they're doing it intentionally to seem town. | ||
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On October 15 2014 06:18 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I kind of started it, and then had to do something for an hour, then came back to it. That's why half of it seems like it's written before the nightkill, and half of it after. Because it is. The only part of the big long post that 'seemed' to be written before the nightkill was the two and a half lines on DP. Everything else applies equally before and after. That's not half. It would have been much less effort to remove those two and a half lines than to explain yourself. This reads to me like "Hey, I made a read on DP, which means I had no idea he was going to die!" ##Vote: sqrtofneg1 | ||
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On October 15 2014 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote: Considering that you wouldn't have known he was going to (fake)claim cop, does GB playing setup speculation feel like a super townie "im figuring the game out" kind of thing to you? B/C that's the extent of sqrt's read of GB. nope, it's completely null | ||
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On October 15 2014 08:13 Hopeless1der wrote: So...instead of checking into the pool of unknowns you check the towniest person in the thread? ......Man I'm trying real hard to remember you're suiciding if you're scum. IMO, parity cop should check the towniest people | ||
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I don't know. I'll probably need to hear Rayn's advice on this. He said before the deadline that we should lynch any claimers and I would like to learn why. For now I think sqrt is the best lynch. | ||
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On October 15 2014 08:16 Hopeless1der wrote: Not when you expect them to die. You're looking to confirm as many people as possible without relying on flips as parity cop. Either way, since I would play parity cop checking the towniest person first and then unknowns later on, it stands to reason that other people might play that way too, regardless if it's optimal or not. | ||
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If I had to pick a mafia team, I'd say sqrt/geript/kush. That makes the most sense to me right now. | ||
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As of right now, I only want to lynch sqrt. I'm probably not correct on my scumteam, and giving other people the option of which of my scumreads to lynch, it most certainly will end up being the town among them. | ||
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On October 17 2014 05:40 GlowingBear wrote: There's is a possibility that both wagons are mafia CR. also, there are already 4 people on geript. I hardly believe they could make another wagon. I think there is a very good chance that both of them are mafia given how little geript is resisting compared to fanfic mafia. Still, it's best to consolidate just in case. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: geript | ||
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We should talk about kush. | ||
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On October 18 2014 07:17 Hopeless1der wrote: I'd rather discuss why you dont feel good about sqrt. Kush is not a valuable discussion topic. What do you think is a possible scum team with sqrt on it? | ||
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On October 18 2014 07:26 GlowingBear wrote: You and slam (ritoky). Makes perfect sense Makes perfect sense for me to be hard dunking on sqrt this entire game if we're both mafia | ||
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rayn's prediction on kush/slam/GB not looking too bad atm | ||
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On October 18 2014 07:34 GlowingBear wrote: What made you believe sqrt isn't a good lynch anymore? I don't believe he can be on a scumteam with kush. I don't believe he can be on a scumteam with you. It's also unlikely for him to be on a scumteam with slam. No matter how strong of a scumread I have on sqrt, if I can't put him on a scumteam, | ||
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We should lynch kush instead. There's not much more I can add that hasn't already been said. If you need to convince yourself that kush is scummy, just look at his filter, it's all there. We need to lynch kush because mafia shot rayn. Day 2 was lynch whoever rayn wants to lynch day. If rayn survived, this day would be another day of lynch whoever rayn wants to lynch day, and that means kush. I doubt there is any way someone here could influence rayn otherwise. If kush is town, then mafia just killed the wrong person. They would have literally won the game just shooting hopeless and let town sheep rayn into a kush mislynch. This is not something I expect the mafia team to WIFOM. | ||
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On October 18 2014 08:25 GlowingBear wrote: I mean 1) Why it is unlikely that he is partner with each of those guys? 2) So you're basically saying that you have being scumreading him since the beginning of the game, that he is your top scumread at the moment, but you're not voting him because you're making unflipped associations. You're basically claiming scum if he flips mafia Yes, I'm making unflipped associations. Given that it's mylo, why aren't you? | ||
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Ugh... there is literally nothing I can do to read sqrt as town, yet the game doesn't make sense if he is. | ||
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I'm sticking with kush. This is what I'm at right now. Sqrt can either be mafia, or the scummiest town who ever lived. Kush can either be mafia with scumteam A or scumteam B. They can even both be mafia. Whether or not I want to lynch sqrt, I would like kush to be first. | ||
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I think we have to vote off sqrt today tbh. Because of everything that has been said, and also he's voting with me on kush when I'm his only scumread. ##unvote ##vote sqrtofneg1 | ||
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On October 20 2014 16:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: A question: Did any of the townies think ve is scum on the final day? I was suspicious of VE for trying to sub out. He mentioned that he was waiting for a sub, but if that was approved, BH would have posted in the replacement thread, and if it was denied, he wouldn't be waiting anymore. I didn't want to mention it until the next day in case VE got shot in the night, but I had stronger confidence on the sqrt lynch because VE voted kush. So my mistake there. | ||
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) or he tried to look as mafia for some reason.
