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geript what I'm most interested in right now is you thoroughly explaining who you think is mafia and why.
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Maybe it was GB; I think it was a conversation with DP. Whoever it was, that person is almost assuredly town.
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On October 17 2014 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
geript what I'm most interested in right now is you thoroughly explaining who you think is mafia and why.
I've told you. Right now, I honestly have no clue. Thus why I'm trying to read specific people. Are there any people you want me to read specifically?
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On October 15 2014 06:17 sqrtofneg1 wrote:GlowingBear is looking town. Excellent posts such as these: Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 11:24 GlowingBear wrote:
"Base Setups - pick one at random:
A) 1 Square Root, 1 π, 1 i, 1 Fraction, 1 Negative Nine Thousand Three Hundred and Seventy-Eight, 8 Fours
B) 2 Square Roots, 1 π, 1 Prime, 1 Fraction, 8 Fours
C) 2 Square Roots, 1 π, 1 Prime, 1 Negative Nine Thousand Three Hundred and Seventy-Eight, 8 Fours
D) 1 Square Root, 1 π, 1 i, 2 Primes, 8 Fours
Modifications - pick one at random:
1) Remove one Four and add one Prime.
2) Use setup as-is.
3) Remove one Prime and add one Four if possible."
You have to roll D AND 3 to have 3 primes.
1/4 . 1/3 = 1/12
0.083 chance. No fucking way.
By the way, I suck at math. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 13:34 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 06:30 Damdred wrote:
Because until GB does his town tell that he doesn't realize he does he might be scum or not drunk enough yet Then On October 14 2014 02:32 Damdred wrote:On October 14 2014 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Damdred why did you spend like 4 posts of real time trying to clarify whether or not GB "dodged" when you don't know what your own read on GB is? If it is to clarify Hopeless' intentions or whatever, what is your read on Hopeless? I think I have my read on GB for right now thank you. I spent those posts talking about the dodge because I was asked about it and to clarify my earlier comments, it took that long because of semantics. Read on hopeless is that he seems to be contributing to the thread and giving his thoughts, hes claiming the named blue role that has no powers and nobody is counter claiming him or claiming with him. Its highly likely that he is town. Damdred, day one is over and you haven't told us if I had done my town tell. Moreover, you said you had a read on me but didn't share it with us. 1) Why aren't you sharing it with us? 2) If you have a scum read on me, why weren't you pushing me? 3) if you have a town read on me, why weren't you fighting my wagon? Your filter is mostly focused on me. You've spent most of your game busy with me. But then you follow the wagon that was being built: On October 14 2014 04:17 Damdred wrote:
Geript, why put in that much work on Oats and not vote him? It seems like the only reason that you are voting me is some twisted meta read that is invalidated in the same game that we were playing and the game I posted.
This feels like you are trying to look towny and trying to find a good mislynch to me. Soft pushing oats to see if it picks up traction while hardpushing me for the easy mislynch today
##Vote Geript How did you suddenly read geript as mafia here? Is that how you see him now? Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 02:33 GlowingBear wrote:On October 15 2014 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like ALL of the setups include at least one prime - so mafia KNOW FOR A FACT that if they claim Prime, SOMEONE ELSE will ALSO claim Prime and fuck up their day. Condition (3) can make a game without primes. Condition (1) can make a game with 2 primes There is also a base setup with 2 primes and the possibility of having three primes. I find it very safe to claim prime. I'm actually getting inclined to believe hopeless fake claimed now. Show that he's working to figure out the game. Same thing with rayn. He's town. Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is basically never ever going to be mafia after last night.
GB seems frustrated in a townie way in people scumreading him. The only thing against him would be he suddenly fucked off before the lynch when another wagon that was not him formed.
DarthPunk and Hopeless are town, don't be dumb with this GB.
Damdred is town, most likely. I have already made a town case on him.
Chairman Ray is still bit of a question mark so do not totally count him out. He has basically made a case on sqrt and then... well pretty much nothing. We need you to prove you are town CR, there are just too many people lurking the fuck out of the game.
I already told what i think of geript and why. Maybe i'll tonight find the game where he acted similarly. I totally forgot about that one and in case geript is mafia which i assume that would most likely make GlowingBear town.
sqrt's posting is just terrible.
ritoky hasn't said anything rememberable and there is something i am going to check regarding him before the deadline.
kush is just not playing and only talks about unimportant stuff like modkills, spamming etc etc. The only thing he has said on D1 is a townread on GB (or rather -- it wasn't a townread, it was "cases on GB are bad") without explanation. scum!kush cannot force himself to read filters so calling someone who is town town makes sense as he didn't even comment on the cases in ANY way. Then there is the shitty vote on VE which is also not explained in any way.
The problem is there are too much lurkers. There are three people completely lurking and ritoky kinda semi-lurking (i call it lurking when people do not take part into discussion and talk about irrelevant things). They can't all be mafia even if geript is, and atm i do strongly believe geript is mafia. Step up your fucking game townies in that pool. Or at least TRY to play the game. Please. Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 15 2014 01:14 GlowingBear wrote:On October 15 2014 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is basically never ever going to be mafia after last night.
GB seems frustrated in a townie way in people scumreading him. The only thing against him would be he suddenly fucked off before the lynch when another wagon that was not him formed.
DarthPunk and Hopeless are town, don't be dumb with this GB.
Damdred is town, most likely. I have already made a town case on him.
Chairman Ray is still bit of a question mark so do not totally count him out. He has basically made a case on sqrt and then... well pretty much nothing. We need you to prove you are town CR, there are just too many people lurking the fuck out of the game.
I already told what i think of geript and why. Maybe i'll tonight find the game where he acted similarly. I totally forgot about that one and in case geript is mafia which i assume that would most likely make GlowingBear town.
sqrt's posting is just terrible.
ritoky hasn't said anything rememberable and there is something i am going to check regarding him before the deadline.
kush is just not playing and only talks about unimportant stuff like modkills, spamming etc etc. The only thing he has said on D1 is a townread on GB (or rather -- it wasn't a townread, it was "cases on GB are bad") without explanation. scum!kush cannot force himself to read filters so calling someone who is town town makes sense as he didn't even comment on the cases in ANY way. Then there is the shitty vote on VE which is also not explained in any way.
The problem is there are too much lurkers. There are three people completely lurking and ritoky kinda semi-lurking (i call it lurking when people do not take part into discussion and talk about irrelevant things). They can't all be mafia even if geript is, and atm i do strongly believe geript is mafia. Step up your fucking game townies in that pool. Or at least TRY to play the game. Please.How did you switch to strong townread VE? Why geript flipping mafia would make me town? Regarding oats lynch, I was at work and couldn't do much, but he was one of my strongest scumreads so I was ok with his lynch. I only started doubting when I realised how fast the wagon on him was formed and after noticing the vote count. How can you affirm both hopeless and DP are town? Don't get me wrong, I'm also reading them as town now, but I find the possibility of having 3 primes very low. Also, what else made you drastically change your town read on geript to a scumread? Only his meta argument on damdred? I slept over it and it doesn't make any sense for mafia!VE to act like he did after the lynch. As mafia VE is rational and altogether a good player as scum. As town he is also good but sometimes (well.. in fact quite often  ) driven by emotion rather than logic which is what he did at D1 end and N1 start. Especially you should be reading him town. Why would VE lynch Oats (while kind of contradicting himself) instead of just placing his vote on you (who he had a scumread on) when geript is not getting lynched any more? It's just far more likely he just followed DP onto Oats and then flipped his shit when he realized he should have just believed himself. Let's just say i don't think you are mafia regardless of geript's affiliation. It would just strengthen my read because of how geript likes to play. Why are you even asking this? You should be happy someone will believe you are near 100% town if geript flips mafia. I am not going to evaluate on my townreads unless people want to lynch them and are pushing the town to wrong track. Noone wants to lynch you so the discussion is useless in the first place. I am also pretty sure you wouldn't understand but the main point is what i remember of how geript plays scum and you both being mafia doesn't fit. Which players on the wagon are scum then? You noticed there is something wrong with the wagon. Oats flipped town so that shit surely didn't get any better so who is mafia there in your opinion and why? Hopeless basically outed himself as prime before even claiming (he was quite obviously asking geript "why should i claim my role") when geript told every prime should claim. DarthPunk would never have claimed prime as mafia in the situation he did. Come on.... It's quite simple. Regarding my read change on geript, yes. That. That read on Damdred makes zero sense by his own definition. geript also likes to push townies who are not being talked about and who are not current/even realistic lynch candidates when town is being lynched (in this case you/Oats -> geript suddenly pushes Damdred). I am still trying to find that fucking game (except that i'll have dinner first) so i can prove my point. I definitely don't like Chairman Ray. He pushes me, but then votes Oats without commenting at all about him. Scummy. DarthPunk is the first one who picked up on my 'townslip'. Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 09:33 DarthPunk wrote:Here is the town slip; So sqrt is clearly not reading the thread because he treats Barakos and rayn as separate entities. On October 13 2014 07:56 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, I'm back, but I have a really busy thanksgiving weekend. I'll touch on the people who I haven't yet, and go back to the festivities.
Barakos has few posts, but they are all really good.
Rayn is null
If he had access to a scum qt you can bet your arse that he would know rayn had replaced in regardless of reading the thread or not. If rayn as scum it would be apparent in the qt cause he would be in the qt. If rayn is town all the scummers would be shitting their pantsu. Sqrt slipped ignorance of something scum would not be ignorant about. He is very likely to be town aligned, would not lynch for a few days. On October 13 2014 07:56 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, I'm back, but I have a really busy thanksgiving weekend. I'll touch on the people who I haven't yet, and go back to the festivities.
Barakos has few posts, but they are all really good.
Rayn is null
Shows great attention to the thread. Either mafia, or just good townie. However, he's been jumping around, target wise. Goes from me, to Sn0 and ritoky, to GlowingBear, to Oatsmaster. He had pretty much no case on Sn0, ritoky and Oats, and yet people all jumped on to the Oats wagon. I don't like that. I still have no idea on ritoky. Damdred has been pushing Geript. VE is town. His logic against geript is excellent. EX: Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 15 2014 02:23 geript wrote:On October 15 2014 02:09 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 15 2014 02:06 geript wrote:On October 15 2014 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 15 2014 02:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
DP could be - I maintain that nothing he's done is outside his gamut as mafia.
But that's a world I'll start considering much later. Look. Think about it yourself. There is 2 prome claims. You are scum. Would you claim another prime? He could do that but it's unlikely. Thus why to look at hopeless in part. Hopeless was first to claim, risking counterclaim and certain defeat if he's mafia. Unless you have some sort of reasoning to think otherwise? He just got out of a scum game where he was caught. Looked similar to his play here. It's the right play for scum to claim. It gives mafia extra info about setup. Free town cred from the numpties. Etc. Okay I'ma stop you right here. It doesn't give mafia extra info about the setup unless someone counterclaims, at which point it becomes the WRONG move for mafia to make because they lose one of their members. There's no "free town cred from the numpties" if someone counterclaims, and in this setup there's like zero chance of townies not counterclaiming at some point (because setup). There's no situation where mafia's first impulse is to "claim Prime" geript. You're just making things up. Geript's the guy who pushed Oats. He also doesn't like Damdred. Currently, he wants us to look at hopeless. Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 05:47 geript wrote:On October 14 2014 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 14 2014 05:39 geript wrote:
Does Hopeless sheep this much as town? IDK. I've only played like 1-2 games with him iirc. Hopeless is town because he claimed prime. Yah but mafia should always claim prime. I don't think so. Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 02:34 geript wrote:
Also fwiw. If I were mafia I'd claim a role by now. .... I don't have any solid evidence against geript, but I don't like him. Hopeless isn't doing much either. No solid reads except me. Plus, probability wise, it's really unlikely he's actually a prime. Top lynch target today. ##Vote: Hopeless1der
I think is post is actually quite interesting. For a two very specific reasons. Neither of the posts he quotes for his town reads are separated apart very far, whereas when he finds scumread he usually has two very disjointed quotes that are far apart. Second, his reasoning for finding people town is surprisingly threadbare. "Looks like they're solving the game." The first trend continues in his other posts as well from what I can see. The thing that I find specifically odd about the first is that GB and Rayn are two of the more prolific posters in this game but he doesn't seem to have a wide range of things he's thinking about from them.
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Yah, on meta he looks towny imo. But that's something that I find a bit more interesting when I look at it from a different perspective.
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On October 13 2014 22:21 kushm4sta wrote:
yo gb why sqrt? there are people more deserving of a plynch. i like sqrts brief early game arguments.
This is a post that bugs me a bit after reading sqrt again. I don't understand why a vet would like any of sqrt's early arguments at all. There's essentially "filter fillerizing" "buddying" etc. They're not arguments I expect would resonate with any vet.
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On October 14 2014 22:54 kushm4sta wrote:
sorry gb i was out of line. just makes me mad when im trying to keep up with the game and you post page after page of "hmm im the only one here" "im still the only one here" "where is everyone" etc!
I can't remember the game. It had HF, Thrawn and Kush in it and I either ran it or cohosted it. I remember most everyone townread Kush early on. The only reason why it stands out to me is that Kush sound much more sincere in his bitching about filter lengths and the number of pages.
On October 15 2014 04:55 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 04:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 15 2014 04:44 kushm4sta wrote:On October 15 2014 04:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i will make sure you'll get lynched tomorrow if you do not play.
Do you think you are playing mafia now kush? This is a serious question. Do you think you have played mafia in this game -- while the game has been going on? yes i do honestly. we have very different notions of what it means to play mafia I guess Honestly, no you don't. You know what it is to play, and you know this isn't it. You're trolling, admit it. incorrect. If everyone played like rayn, mafia would be a game of pure logic. Low activity players add an element of psychology. You can't look at logic so instead you have to look at behavior and attitude. That's what rayn doesn't understand. And that's why he'll never be good at the game.
I find this post a bit interesting in the sense that Kush doesn't seem like he actually wants to do anything thing this game at all. I find that interesting because usually Kush wants to help at least a little bit as town. Like he doesn't care much, but he always seems to care a little bit more as town IIRC.
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Any more questions before you lynch me VE?
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On October 13 2014 05:20 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 04:56 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 13 2014 04:50 ritoky wrote:On October 12 2014 23:25 GlowingBear wrote:
He then townreads sqrt. He came to the thread, made a joke and lurked. Contributed with nothing. When he posts his reads, he is town because he have different reads from everybody? Do you think this is alignment indicative? I don't.
Why do you think this makes me mafia, yet DP isn't when DP arrives at literally almost word for word the exact same conclusion on sqrt a couple pages later? Your criticism is uneven; dat be a maf indicator. Your post about me felt like you were committed to scum reading me because of what you said last night, not particularly because you had a scum read on me. Very forced, over-committing. I also completely agree with CR about the point he made regarding over-stating how you're at a party even though no one prompted it. How do you feel about CR's case? I think it's not particularly good. He criticizes sqrt for having not read the thread/lack of context; yet I think he misses the context on when sqrt posted his reads by a mile. He then criticizes some not particularly early day 1 reads; yet he doesn't of the multiple others giving crap day 1 reads. I also feel like it stems a bit from not playing with sqrt before (idk if this is actually the case), cuz I know the last time I played with him he had a distinct posting style, we were both town and I ML'd him on d1. For that, I am wary of cases on him d1 as he is low hanging fruit from my previous experiences with him. That said, people seemed to agree with the case but not push forward with it at all which strikes me as odd (maybe just cuz sqrt isn't here). Basically I think it is meh at best. I think the better criticism is that sqrt isn't around at all and when he is around he doesn't seem to be actively pushing the game forward, simply responding to pings on him. sqrt is less town now than he was for me before, but not enough for me to be worried about him yet. ![[image loading]](http://img4-2.myrecipes.timeinc.net/i/recipes/sl/05/01/domino-cookies-sl-1017332-l.jpg)
This post bugs me too fwiw. Usually when town talk about things in context, they usually provide an example. This looks more like generic discrediting which is signed off with "oh and here's why you shouldn't do it because I've mislynched him before blahblahblah, but that was a while ago so it might not be actually be applicable, but even still I think he's town (but less town) for similar posting style." Ritoky's hard to read, but he's an ok shot for mafia too; moreso if sqrt is.
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wait geript your vote is on ritoky and you don't even have read the dudes posts?
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Honestly I don't even know who my vote is on right now
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fine i don't bother today any more.
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Blazinghand
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Vote count
Chairman Ray (1): sqrtofneg1
sqrtofneg1 (3): chairman ray, glowingbear, sqrtofneg1
glowingbear (1): ritoky
ritoky (1): kushm4sta
geript (4): VE, rayn, hopeless1der, damdred
Currently geript is set to be lynched. This day ends at Thursday, Oct 16 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). At that time, the player set to be lynched will be lynched.
Make sure to vote in the voting thread: (link)
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There is still time to vote for sqrt yet hopeless. You should bother.
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Hmm. It concerns me that both sqrt and cr are wasting their votes
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I mean kush ritoky and sqrt.
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Lol guys. Another point for voting sqrt: he has been throwing his vote out since day one.
Look at who his vote is now placed. Just because I said he voted hopeless instead of cr.
But he is voting the most improbable person to be lynched today.
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Like, please, tell me you're seeing what I'm seeing. Vote him please.
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Can we consolidate? I would not like to give mafia a choice of lynch here. I still prefer sqrt over geript.
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