On October 15 2014 20:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So here is my problem with ritoky.

1) His read evolution on VE and how he explains it here. Does anyone think a townie would "accuse" their townread like ritoky says here? well i don't.

2) His scumreads now. He seems to have me, GB and kushmasta as scumreads. It doesn't make any sense at all for me being mafia with either of those people. It just doesn't. ritoky's thought process shows a complete lack of any logical thinking which i don't think is townie at all. He never answers me regarding the things he claims make me scummy (when those aren't even things -- he is not proving them, and he can't possibly prove them because they are not true). He claims i was acting scummily regarding kushmasta on N1 while what i did and my conclusion is what he claims to be more likely townie..... He claims doing something (in this situation scumreading or rather wanting to lynch lurkers) is scummy if done in a certain time. When i do it (except that i really don't) at some other point -- "well what the hell it's still scummy".

3) ritoky's vote on D1. He says he was following his strong townreads VE and CR onto Oats. That's fine, if it only was just that. But it's not. People who started the Oats lynch were DarthPunk and geript. ritoky doesn't think either of those guys is strong town. He scumreads geript. I don't even know what his read on DP is but it doesn't seem like it was town. Then VE votes. Then I vote. ritoky doesn't think i am town, didn't think i am necessarily town on D1. Then CR votes. Well CR hasn't done much on D1. Based on this the people voting on Oats (colors from ritoky's reads) are (in order of time of their votes):
DarthPunk
geript
VE
raynpelikoneet
Hopeless
CR

Notice that at this time the opposing wagons are geript and GlowingBear!!!!
So ritoky sheeps a vote pushed by his scumreads against lynches on his scumreads and says "i am sheeping my townreads although i am not as confident on the lynch as they are".

!!!!!

This is mafia behaviour. It literally doesn't make any sense at all. It also doesn't make any sense he isn't scumreading geript any more (or maybe he is, but then he scumreading like fucking mostly everyone in the game....)

ritoky is mafia.

##vote: ritoky

Rayn, my thoughts on your case:

1) Objectively, I think it's possible to a townie accuse his townread when he find something odd. I did that a lot. Any townie would do that because they aren't sure of who is town and who is mafia. I did thr with damdred, for instance.

2) Contradiction is not exactly a scum tell and there is a possibility he is not making associations, but just pointing out who he thinks is scum. Maybe he didn't think about a scum team making sense, and honestly, I think he shouldn't. It's unflipped association.

3) This is your strongest argument IMO, but think of it this way: if he is mafia, he could've just placed his vote outside the wagon instead joining it at the very end. So this argument is good but not as strong as it seems.
Maybe as mafia he joined only at the end so it makes it difficult to find mafia inside there.

That said, I just don't think your case is strong, but I believe he is mafia because of passivity. He is not contributing, he is not engaging himself in arguments to find scum, he is not scum hunting, etc.

Rayn, I'll vote sqrt or ritoky today. Maybe geript if you can convince me he is mafia and not only for they damdred meta thing. I derped a lot regarding geript, but his stream of thoughts seems genuine to me.

GlowingBear

Brazil12446 Posts

October 16 2014 14:23 GMT

#1443

Does VE agree on ritoky?

GlowingBear

Brazil12446 Posts

October 16 2014 15:28 GMT

#1444

You know, nevermind. I have a strong scumread on sqrt and I'm voting him.

I've already give reasons why and there is another one: I find odd that he strongly scumreads CR but votes hopeless based only on math. It's like it was planned to kill DP and make hopeless' claim look bad.

GlowingBear

Brazil12446 Posts

October 16 2014 15:35 GMT

#1445

VOTE SQRT WITH ME
HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS MUCH MORE THAN 1 MAFIA TRAIT.

ALL WE HAVE GOT ON THE OTHER ARE SPECIFIC REASONS BUT NOT AN OVERALL GAMEPLAY

SQRT IS THE MOST SCUMMY IN THE GAME SO PLEASE VOTE FOR HIM

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

October 16 2014 16:01 GMT

#1446

WE ARE KILLING GERIPT TODAY SHUT UP!

SHUT UP GB WE ARE KILLING GERIPT! TODAY!

Damdred

15669 Posts

October 16 2014 16:02 GMT

#1447

I would be comfortable killing Geript or kush today.

I'll give you another chance gb i realize i could be in omgus waters right now, so sway me.

VE is it only geript today for you or would you listen to a kush lynch maybe?

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

October 16 2014 16:03 GMT

#1448

I'm never voting for anyone else until geript is dead.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

October 16 2014 16:07 GMT

#1449

Like I'm not even trying to be a jerk here, but I'm THAT certain about geript. He doesn't play this way as town. As town he tries - he makes cases and makes observations and argues with people. You think if geript was town he'd let the wagon get this far on him? YOU'RE WRONG IF YOU THINK YES!!!!

Damdred

15669 Posts

October 16 2014 16:11 GMT

#1450

Yea, I have my own reasons but I think this is scum geript I just think kush is scum kush to though.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

October 16 2014 16:12 GMT

#1451

I promise I will look at other cases once geript is dead. But I literally can't bring myself to do anything else until this dude hangs. The tunnel is real.

GlowingBear

Brazil12446 Posts

October 16 2014 16:23 GMT

#1452

What does Rayn think of this?

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

October 16 2014 16:35 GMT

#1453

Rayn fundamentally disagrees with how I play this game, but I think he agrees that geript is mafia.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43266 Posts

October 16 2014 16:38 GMT

#1454

On October 17 2014 01:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
WE ARE KILLING GERIPT TODAY SHUT UP!

SHUT UP GB WE ARE KILLING GERIPT! TODAY!

raynpelikoneet

Finland43266 Posts

October 16 2014 16:40 GMT

#1455

I don't disagree with you VE. I don't disagree with your play nor do i disagree with your case.
geript hasn't done a single townie thing after 24h into D1.