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On October 13 2014 00:07 kushm4sta wrote:
whos scummy
Lol I totes forgot you were playing
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On October 13 2014 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:05 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 12 2014 23:29 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nevermind i misread something in your last post.
Anyways, you didn't answer my question.
You called DarthPunk mafia without knowing if he is town or mafia. More importantly, you have a possible blue read on him and ALL your posting implicates you are not more sure of him being mafia than blue.
So in your opinion it was the best play to out a possible blue role (because if DarthPunk was mafia -- as you said, he would need to be "bad mafia which he is not").
So in fact as per your posting you had a blue read on DarthPunk and the best way to handle it was to call him scum? I had both scenarios in mind. Why not saying he could be scum, get people talking, and not talking about the blue scenario? If you check, I immediately decided to not talk about DP and focus on geript. So the thought didn't cross your mind you will be called out for your crappy read (yeah it was really crappy)? You literally said this: On October 12 2014 07:11 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 12 2014 07:01 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:On October 12 2014 06:50 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 06:40 DarthPunk wrote:
What the fuck is it with people whinging about try harding.
Firstly: This is not try harding.
Secondly: Why would you not try your best?
Makes no sense and annoys the shit out of me. Raising suspicions on someone because he thinks that a guy that only posted an entrance COULD be mafia, instead is thinking that the guy IS mafia, is try hard for me. It looks like scum try hard. Your vote on damdred was also bizarre. Damdred looks terrible for what reason, specifically? You say you don't have a is about his alignment yet but still votes on him because "you don't care?" Congratulations, you successfully recited what happened in the thread. Care to draw a conclusion? or provide some analysis? Damdred looks terrible because his posts were useless and made no positive contribution to the thread. Which is pretty damn obvious in my opinion. Conclusion: geript is mafia tryhard and you are suspicious of being mafia or trying to look as mafia could you rephrase this so that it makes sense this time? Geript: trying too hard at the start of the game, picking on little things. He is mafia DarthPunk: his vote on damdred is too scummy. He is either bad mafia (which I don't believe so, he is a legend  ) or he tried to look as mafia for some reason.Start ignoring me, I really believe this at the moment. Here you do say "DarthPunk is either mafia ( which u do not believe!!) or he is town blue (which you did clarify later on)". Again how does it make any sense to out a guy you have a blue read on by calling him scum? My phrasing was bad. I mean only a bad mafia would be so careless to do that vote with that reasoning. But an okay mafia would do the too scum to be scum. I don't know DPs play but I find it plausible.You're again assuming I had only a blue read on him. I can call him out so at least I gather information about his alignment without making him look blue.I've already gave you all my reasons. I don't care if people will find my cases crappy. I'll come to the thread, say what I'm thinking and at least get people talking, specially on early day1 red: Although you called him a "legend" and "didn't think that is the case"? i am not sure i believe you regarding "i misphrased my thoughts". green: Yes i am because YOU SAID SO! Now you are giving excuses, but you really did say so. Literally, as i pointed out. But let's think for a moment you are telling the truth here and misphrased your post. The way you called him out made every single intelligent person realize what you are saying (mafia or blue). You basically put yourself into a situation where you hint you think DP is blue if he is not mafia and then you shut yourself down when people (obviously) call you out. Do you REALLY think it was the best way to call DP out, instead of let's say like: "DarthPunk why is your read on Damdred so bad? You can't possibly think he is scum for that, so why are you saying so?"
No, it was a bad way to call him out. I'm not justifying it. I'm explaining it. I agree with you.
Again, I decided to not talk about DP because I thought it would be bad.
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On October 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read.
You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning).
That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!"
Now you're misquoting me. I said he could be trying to look scum. It does not automatically implies he is blue.
If you think that was so clear, why people started saying my read was bizarre or forcing me to explain it? If it's clear, why don't you shut up about it?
If you think it was that clear, what do you think of people who forced me into talking about it?
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On October 13 2014 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also an okay mafia never ever does "too scum to be scum".
Never ever. They do "too town to be scum".....
Dat indirect burn
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On October 13 2014 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i am not going to convince you about my read on you so let's talk about somethingelse since you are the only one here.
What's your read on CR?
Leaning town. I had some suspicions on him but his posts are making sense, which is not something that happens too much when he is mafia.
Yours?
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On October 13 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read.
You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning).
That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!" Now you're misquoting me. I said he could be trying to look scum. It does not automatically implies he is blue. If you think that was so clear, why people started saying my read was bizarre or forcing me to explain it? If it's clear, why don't you shut up about it? If you think it was that clear, what do you think of people who forced me into talking about it? Because i joined the fucking game after you made your post about you thinking he is blue.... There is no reason to shut up about it any more. Vanilla townies never ever try to look like scum for any reason. rofl, what other explanation there is for your phrase than "blue"?
You defended yourself and avoided the question.
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On October 13 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read.
You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning).
That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!" Now you're misquoting me. I said he could be trying to look scum. It does not automatically implies he is blue. If you think that was so clear, why people started saying my read was bizarre or forcing me to explain it? If it's clear, why don't you shut up about it? If you think it was that clear, what do you think of people who forced me into talking about it? Because i joined the fucking game after you made your post about you thinking he is blue.... There is no reason to shut up about it any more. Vanilla townies never ever try to look like scum for any reason. rofl, what other explanation there is for your phrase than "blue"?
Why making such entrance, then?
What so you get from his opening?
Tell me town motivation behind doing that kind of post.
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On October 13 2014 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read.
You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning).
That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!" Now you're misquoting me. I said he could be trying to look scum. It does not automatically implies he is blue. If you think that was so clear, why people started saying my read was bizarre or forcing me to explain it? If it's clear, why don't you shut up about it? If you think it was that clear, what do you think of people who forced me into talking about it? Because i joined the fucking game after you made your post about you thinking he is blue.... There is no reason to shut up about it any more. Vanilla townies never ever try to look like scum for any reason. rofl, what other explanation there is for your phrase than "blue"? You defended yourself and avoided the question. Because they think you are mafia as you did scummy thing. That would be my interpretation. Which is also why i am questioning DP about his read on you.
They think I'm mafia knowing I have a blue tell and wants me to say who this blue tell is?
Does this make sense to you?
As you said, it was clear I had a blue tell. Why not questioning me solely on geript instead of forcing me into giving my blue read on DP? Why town would waste time with known fact and even help mafia blue hunting?
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On October 13 2014 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:29 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read.
You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning).
That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!" Now you're misquoting me. I said he could be trying to look scum. It does not automatically implies he is blue. If you think that was so clear, why people started saying my read was bizarre or forcing me to explain it? If it's clear, why don't you shut up about it? If you think it was that clear, what do you think of people who forced me into talking about it? Because i joined the fucking game after you made your post about you thinking he is blue.... There is no reason to shut up about it any more. Vanilla townies never ever try to look like scum for any reason. rofl, what other explanation there is for your phrase than "blue"? Why making such entrance, then? What so you get from his opening? Tell me town motivation behind doing that kind of post. Town motivation for calling someone mafia at the start of the game? Well to get the game started... Get people talking about something game relevant.... Get people to take stances.. Put pressure on people who might be mafia...
He didn't call Damdred mafia, he said he didn't care for his alignment.
Are you scumreading me for attacking a post without even knowing its content?
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On October 13 2014 00:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also that's not what i said.
Not at all..
I said you gave yourself an out by saying DP is blue if not mafia.
Townies do not think someone is blue if they do a scummy thing "because town can act scummy if they are blue".
That's just bullshit. Townies push a case on scummy people because they want to lynch mafia.
You are not doing that.
Rayn, I've explained I have seen a similar play on team melee vets VS newbies.
I also commented your post on ritoky. I said everything was a matter of opinion and that I thought we wouldn't convince each other regarding him.
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On October 13 2014 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:33 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read.
You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning).
That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!" Now you're misquoting me. I said he could be trying to look scum. It does not automatically implies he is blue. If you think that was so clear, why people started saying my read was bizarre or forcing me to explain it? If it's clear, why don't you shut up about it? If you think it was that clear, what do you think of people who forced me into talking about it? Because i joined the fucking game after you made your post about you thinking he is blue.... There is no reason to shut up about it any more. Vanilla townies never ever try to look like scum for any reason. rofl, what other explanation there is for your phrase than "blue"? You defended yourself and avoided the question. Because they think you are mafia as you did scummy thing. That would be my interpretation. Which is also why i am questioning DP about his read on you. They think I'm mafia knowing I have a blue tell and wants me to say who this blue tell is? Does this make sense to you? As you said, it was clear I had a blue tell. Why not questioning me solely on geript instead of forcing me into giving my blue read on DP? Why town would waste time with known fact and even help mafia blue hunting? I have no idea what you are trying to achieve with this so explain yourself.
Ok. Explaining further.
You're a town and you saw my post on DP. "Tried to look scum" sounded like I had a blue tell on DP.
What would a townie do?
1) Force me into saying who I think is blue
2) Inquire me regarding my other scum read
You agree with me it would be (2), or at least never (1), right?
But people forced me into saying that I thought DP was blue.
So:
A) Either you're wrong on saying I was clearly hinting DP was blue
or
B) It was clear and scum tried to force me into saying I think DP is blue.
Therefore, what do you make of people who forced me into giving my blue read on DP?
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On October 13 2014 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:44 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:29 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read.
You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning).
That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!" Now you're misquoting me. I said he could be trying to look scum. It does not automatically implies he is blue. If you think that was so clear, why people started saying my read was bizarre or forcing me to explain it? If it's clear, why don't you shut up about it? If you think it was that clear, what do you think of people who forced me into talking about it? Because i joined the fucking game after you made your post about you thinking he is blue.... There is no reason to shut up about it any more. Vanilla townies never ever try to look like scum for any reason. rofl, what other explanation there is for your phrase than "blue"? Why making such entrance, then? What so you get from his opening? Tell me town motivation behind doing that kind of post. Town motivation for calling someone mafia at the start of the game? Well to get the game started... Get people talking about something game relevant.... Get people to take stances.. Put pressure on people who might be mafia... He didn't call Damdred mafia, he said he didn't care for his alignment. Are you scumreading me for attacking a post without even knowing its content? He called him useless which would mean he is either mafia or anyways not helping the town. Which translates into a message to all the people: "Don't be useless because you'll get lynched if you are". That'sa pro-town behaviour regardless of DarthPunk's alignement. If he had kept his vote on Damdred and just pushed his lynch it would more likely to be mafia behaviour. But he didn't. He is calling all the people who make useless posts out. Is that a mafia trait to you? Like i can understand you initially give DP a scumread for his vote on Damdred. but still? scumreading him for that is ridiculous given what he has done since.
You understand that that was my early impression and that I have new reads right now, right?
I mean, I'm trying to clarify my early play. I don't have strong reads on them.
I actually don't have strong reads on anybody yet. I just find that the most scummy, for now, are sqrt and ritoky.
I'm waiting for more posts from them both, and from Damdred, whom I'm ready to rescind my town pass.
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On October 13 2014 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:51 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:33 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read.
You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning).
That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!" Now you're misquoting me. I said he could be trying to look scum. It does not automatically implies he is blue. If you think that was so clear, why people started saying my read was bizarre or forcing me to explain it? If it's clear, why don't you shut up about it? If you think it was that clear, what do you think of people who forced me into talking about it? Because i joined the fucking game after you made your post about you thinking he is blue.... There is no reason to shut up about it any more. Vanilla townies never ever try to look like scum for any reason. rofl, what other explanation there is for your phrase than "blue"? You defended yourself and avoided the question. Because they think you are mafia as you did scummy thing. That would be my interpretation. Which is also why i am questioning DP about his read on you. They think I'm mafia knowing I have a blue tell and wants me to say who this blue tell is? Does this make sense to you? As you said, it was clear I had a blue tell. Why not questioning me solely on geript instead of forcing me into giving my blue read on DP? Why town would waste time with known fact and even help mafia blue hunting? I have no idea what you are trying to achieve with this so explain yourself. Ok. Explaining further. You're a town and you saw my post on DP. "Tried to look scum" sounded like I had a blue tell on DP. What would a townie do? 1) Force me into saying who I think is blue 2) Inquire me regarding my other scum read You agree with me it would be (2), or at least never (1), right? But people forced me into saying that I thought DP was blue. So: A) Either you're wrong on saying I was clearly hinting DP was blue or B) It was clear and scum tried to force me into saying I think DP is blue. Therefore, what do you make of people who forced me into giving my blue read on DP? (1) is not relevant. People would force you to say you think DP is blue because they think you already think so and if you give a different reasoning for your scummy post you are 100% mafia. Why would anyone do (2) instead of (1) as you have already outed your "blue or mafia" read on DP? Which is why i don't believe you, this is too easy to figure out. It is too easy to figure out in case you are town you should never have said what you did in the first place. It's too easy to figure out (1) is obviously the correct answer. And i don't believe you are dumb enough to not see that.
I might be dumb then, because no, if I'm town, I'd never force someone into clearly saying his blue read on anyone, because it could be clear for me but not clear for mafia. I'm never going to help the blue hunt.
I don't think (1) is irrelevant and I find odd that you think it that way.
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On October 13 2014 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:55 geript wrote:
Rayn why don't i have a townread on you yet? Can you please be super towny for me? Probably not. GlowingBear. Where did your scumread on geript go?
I'm not feeling he is scummy anymore. Null for now.
I'm actually going to re read the thread soon to consolidate my reads
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On October 13 2014 00:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
all Im seeing is the same thing from 2 pages ago.
Why are you still arguing if you think hes scum? Are you trying to convince GB that he is scum?
Propose something different, contribute. You've being hiding too much.
Who's mafia?
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I've just skimmed your filter and I couldn't see you pushing anyone.
There isn't a single scum read from you.
And as Rayn said, we've been debating for two pages, and you think we are both town. Why not strongly interveining and put us in the direction of your scumread, if you have one?
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On October 13 2014 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk. maybe ritoky is mafia after all.
I don't believe GB is scum anymore and noone is really pushing sqrt which i would expect mafia to do in case he was town and ritoky was whatever alignment.
This is a good observation.
Also, I noticed that Oats, who's being too passive, never cited sqrt in his posts.
I am NOT doing associative reads right now. I just think that lynching one of them would be pretty informative.
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On October 13 2014 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 01:20 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 13 2014 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2014 01:08 GlowingBear wrote:
I've just skimmed your filter and I couldn't see you pushing anyone.
There isn't a single scum read from you.
And as Rayn said, we've been debating for two pages, and you think we are both town. Why not strongly interveining and put us in the direction of your scumread, if you have one? because there is simply no need. ##Vote: OatsmasterThere's need now bitch. you clearly dont understand the situation.
X plain, puhleeze.
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On October 13 2014 01:24 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 01:23 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk. maybe ritoky is mafia after all.
I don't believe GB is scum anymore and noone is really pushing sqrt which i would expect mafia to do in case he was town and ritoky was whatever alignment. This is a good observation. Also, I noticed that Oats, who's being too passive, never cited sqrt in his posts. I am NOT doing associative reads right now. I just think that lynching one of them would be pretty informative. lynching for "info" is really bad. Why are you proposing it?
I'm not lynching for info. You've being too passive and rayn brought a good point regarding sqrt.
You both are acting scummy.
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On October 13 2014 01:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 01:23 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk. maybe ritoky is mafia after all.
I don't believe GB is scum anymore and noone is really pushing sqrt which i would expect mafia to do in case he was town and ritoky was whatever alignment. This is a good observation. Explain how does the part you bolded make any sense at all? I literally had a brainfart and it in fact does NOT make any sense. ##unvote
##vote: GlowingBear
LOL it totally makes sense. That guy claimed scum. He says hi and goes into lurking. Doesn't contribute at all but with bad reads.
WHY is nobody pushing him? Easiest thing to do as mafia.
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