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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 07 2014 23:34 GMT
#833
Yeah Storr I reread your case I'm not following the difference between your X and my Y. You're saying he's scum because he's scum reading all of the inactives. The reason he doesn't want to scum read OO is because he's suspicious of the people pushing RNG because his logic tells him that supporting RNG is scummy. For Lian pushing RNG is not just some policy BH likes to do it's something BH is doing this game to avoid contributing analysis and that Slam/I jumped on to for the same reason. In his mind that makes OO less scummy I guess.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 07 2014 23:42 GMT
#836
On October 08 2014 08:37 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 08:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah Storr I reread your case I'm not following the difference between your X and my Y. You're saying he's scum because he's scum reading all of the inactives. The reason he doesn't want to scum read OO is because he's suspicious of the people pushing RNG because his logic tells him that supporting RNG is scummy. For Lian pushing RNG is not just some policy BH likes to do it's something BH is doing this game to avoid contributing analysis and that Slam/I jumped on to for the same reason. In his mind that makes OO less scummy I guess.


the point is he isn't actually calling anyone scum...........................

He's trying to solve the game though. He goes through the thread and picks out the things that he finds alignment indicative and has come up with a bunch of town reads. He suspects the people who haven't been posting because he hasn't found reasons for them to be town. You may not like the way he's playing the game but it doesn't make him scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 07 2014 23:51 GMT
#845
lol OO you didn't respect the random lynch.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 08 2014 00:07 GMT
#850
Sounds like a great policy lynch to me honestly
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 08 2014 00:12 GMT
#852
I too support the idea of Blazinghand for king. I think he'd be a really entertaining king really.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 08 2014 01:35 GMT
#881
On October 08 2014 10:33 Holyflare wrote:
doesn't mention anything about palmar, doesn't say anything about the people voting him even though he thinks they were mafia before, wants to lynch palmar

wut

Now thats just not true HF he called me shit!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 08 2014 03:54 GMT
#909
On October 08 2014 12:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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On October 08 2014 12:45 Holyflare wrote:
I actually want to cutabitch obi purely because his vote is in not only a useless spot lynching a towny but because he has no relevant information towards this OO wagon whatsoever and even now his target is not getting lynched he has said absolutely nothing towards pushing me whatsoever, he has returned at deadline to further say nothing despite a lot of pages happening since his last post, obi is most likely mafia.


The bottom line is that OO is a policy lynch, plain and simple. Me not contributing towards a policy lynch doesn't make me mafia.

Literally the dumbest.

that's fair. But you still haven't answered my question of how you were able to look into me and make a read on me without reading my filter or the thread
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 08 2014 04:02 GMT
#918
Really did not expect that
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 08 2014 04:05 GMT
#925
lol is that a concession?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 08 2014 04:14 GMT
#941
Yeah obi is pissed
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 08 2014 04:16 GMT
#942
can we do RNG round 2?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 08 2014 05:16 GMT
#948
Hijole
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 08 2014 05:44 GMT
#951
yep you voted for the guy scum was pushing such scum slam
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 08 2014 05:46 GMT
#952
lol I really don't understand why you want to be called scum. It's not as much fun as you think it is
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 08 2014 16:45 GMT
#1019
On October 09 2014 01:40 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 01:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 01:32 batsnacks wrote:
On October 09 2014 01:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 01:07 batsnacks wrote:
On October 09 2014 01:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:14 batsnacks wrote:
Oats what do you think your scummiest post is?

I dont know and I dont care.


I would be able to answer this question pretty easily... But only if I'm town.


Do you think town has the same kind of self-awareness/groupthink of a scumteam behind them?

What makes you think he would be able to answer this question both truthfully and accurately?


I asked for an opinion (his), not a fact


And what do you get out of it? What will his answer tell you about his alignment?


I really want him to be mafia so it would be great if he could help me scum read him.

Rofl I love these bat traps. Oats tell me your scummiest post. AHA! Oats is scum, see the post that oats just quoted.
Bat trapped
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 08 2014 17:38 GMT
#1055
On October 09 2014 02:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 02:34 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:27 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:24 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 01:51 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 01:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:45 KelsierSC wrote:
[quote]

I gave reasons why you were scummy when I rejoined the thread, basically around the voting/post vote you looked really scummy.

And now you think that people who voted for OO are all clean and the vote is between BH,palmar , Grak and Storr?

The mafia would know OO is scummy so why would they switch off him, easier to stick there to gain credibility.
The fact you don't realise this really makes you scummy to me.

And the scummier you get the townier HF gets. Although this isn't the only reason I think he is town now.


No, I thought the vote should have been between everyone off of the OO wagon. HF himself came in and stated that OO would basically tell people to bus him (which really is the most ridiculous thing in the world) which means that the most likely place to find mafia would still be on his bandwagon...Somehow.

And I never said the OO wagon was clean in the first place. I said that the best lynches would most likely be the ones off the bandwagon, and before then I even gave reasoning as to why I think HF could have motivation to kill OO as either alignment.

Alternatively, if mafia wouldn't switch off of OO, and I didn't vote OO, how does that make sense within the context of mafia voting OO to look town? Wouldn't that, by the virtue of your own heuristic, have made sense for me to just vote OO and look better instead of trying to go after someone that is supposedly "supertown" to you?

Right now, your entire perception of the game hinges on me being scum and throwing away my vote while mafia would just vote OO. That...Doesn't make sense. My current issues with your analysis:

1) It's superficial. Saying that the entire wagon on my is town because "you didn't think it could gain traction" is kind of dumb, especially when Palmar gave the exact same reasoning I did for staying off the OO wagon.

Alternatively, why is it that my omgus is bad for town? You can't just say something is "bad" without backing it up. Why do you think this? Is it because you're just classifying what my thought process was at the time or do you think I had legitimate reasons to think these things?

2) It's contradictory. If mafia couldn't get an alternative bandwagon going, what makes you think I was trying so hard to do so? What makes you think that my suggestion to CFD Palmar was a 100% serious suggestion rather than a joke? If I couldn't gain traction for it, which is what you supposedly think, then why is it that it has to be a serious attempt rather than what you think is an awkward backtrack?

The issue I have is that you're only looking at my actions one way. It looks really convenient that you think my entire wagon is town since mafia couldn't to get an alternative bandwagon going, but I'm scum because I tried to get an alternative bandwagon going. If anything you would think that my wagon was the alternative, so I don't understand where this thought process is coming from. Explain more pls.


Right but the names I listed are the people off of the OO wagon, so that is exactly who you want to lynch not sure why you are denying this fact.
Again I agree with the logic HF gave and the logic I put forward, I think scum lie in the OO vote and the fact you think mafia wouldn't vote on OO is just silly/scummy.

I think you tried to see how much support there was for a palmar lynch, your attempt at a bandwagon, and when you realised no one wanted it you backtracked.

honestly if you last minute switch to OO it really wouldn't put you as town because
a) it is right at the end and OO was going to be the lynch anyway
b) the only alternative was yourself

so my reasoning is not superficial at all. and it is not contradictory.

I also think it is a mafia play to just vote for someone who voted you and then just not shift at any point. it is like "I AM SO OUTRAGED". If your town then you are not being objective and are bad town, or you are scum. That is why excessive OMGUS is bad.


All of this analysis is opinion. You're not taking any of the progression of my reads into account, nor are you accepting that there can be any town motivation for my actions.

If there is a reasonable explanation for my actions, which I felt to have explained adequately, accept the fact that you might be wrong instead of posting analysis based on "what you think" my actions resulted from.


what read progression? you thought hf was mafia and still think he is mafia right. I don't really like you thinking hope is top town. If you have other reads can you quote them for me.

I don't see a town motivation and I really don't think your explanation is good enough for me.

give me a reason why storr,grack,bs or palmar is a better lynch than you.


Because I am town and they are not me.

Qed.


ugh

I meant give me something that makes them scum.


I would if I could. A majority of them are coasting/lurking right now and it makes it hard to read them explicitly.

Same advice to Damdred goes to you, naturally.


So you want to lynch them but you can't find anything that makes them scummy.


I can't find anything that makes them anything.

I promise you I'm something
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 08 2014 17:51 GMT
#1071
On October 09 2014 02:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Alternatively alternatively, BH's analysis was actually really bad and he's mostly just rehashing stuff other people have said.

Why do people have him as town?

Because it's Blazinghand
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 08 2014 17:56 GMT
#1073
On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread.

You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 08 2014 18:15 GMT
#1094
On October 09 2014 03:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 03:05 Damdred wrote:
snip


Grack posted bad analysis and I changed my read. He went from "approaching a situation with reasonable doubt" to "this guy is scum because he didn't read my filter" which is bad analysis. There's no "non-reason" that I can see, so if you could elaborate on that point, that would be cool because I'm apparently not in the know.

The rest of my lynch targets I have either talked over with Kelsier as of the past hour or so, or I've outright told you.

My reason wasn't actually that you didn't read the thread but that you were complaining about nobody posting trying to progress the thread while not having read the thread - which I found fake and scummy

Palmar didn't read the thread but I didn't care because he wasn't complaining about low content in the game.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 08 2014 18:21 GMT
#1097
On October 09 2014 03:15 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 03:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 03:05 Damdred wrote:
snip


Grack posted bad analysis and I changed my read. He went from "approaching a situation with reasonable doubt" to "this guy is scum because he didn't read my filter" which is bad analysis. There's no "non-reason" that I can see, so if you could elaborate on that point, that would be cool because I'm apparently not in the know.

The rest of my lynch targets I have either talked over with Kelsier as of the past hour or so, or I've outright told you.

My reason wasn't actually that you didn't read the thread but that you were complaining about nobody posting trying to progress the thread while not having read the thread - which I found fake and scummy

Palmar didn't read the thread but I didn't care because he wasn't complaining about low content in the game.

*Kind of like how mafia might show up after a lynch and complain that it was a bad lynch while having done nothing to try to change the lynch earlier,
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